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"J Young" |
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13 Feb 2005 11:42:55 PM |
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Dresden victims remembered |
Dresden victims remembered
A church service was held on Sunday evening in commemoration of the
devastating Allied bombing of Dresden in World War II that killed an
estimated 35,000 residents 60 years ago.
In a sign of reconciliation, clergy from Coventry Cathedral in England
- gutted by German bombing in 1940 - presented a cross to Dresden's
Frauenkirche, or Church of Our Lady.
The Dean of Coventry Cathedral, which was itself destroyed by German
bombers in 1940 - said the anniversary should not be about hatred or
revenge. The Very Reverend Irvine said Coventry and Dresden had both
suffered the devastating effects of war.
The Church of Our Lady was left in ruins for decades by communist East
Germany as an anti-war memorial, but has been lavishly rebuilt since
Germany's 1990 reunification.
On February 13, 1945, the British RAF Bomber Command launched a
devastating raid on Dresden, destroying the city, which was known as
"The Balcony of Europe" for its stunning architecture.
The following day US bombers launched a second attack. Official
estimates suggest that around 35 thousand people died but some claim
the figure was closer to 400 thousand.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
14 Feb 2005 01:16:09 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108359775.546251.111740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dresden victims remembered
A church service was held on Sunday evening in commemoration of the
devastating Allied bombing of Dresden in World War II that killed an
estimated 35,000 residents 60 years ago.
Kurt Vonnegut was a US POW held there at the time.
He gives an account of the bombing
in his book "Slaughterhouse-Five".
It is worth a read.
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rb #2187
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| User: "Wieland der Schmied" |
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17 Feb 2005 02:34:17 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108359775.546251.111740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dresden victims remembered
A church service was held on Sunday evening in commemoration of the
devastating Allied bombing of Dresden in World War II that killed an
estimated 35,000 residents 60 years ago.
Kurt Vonnegut was a US POW held there at the time.
He gives an account of the bombing
in his book "Slaughterhouse-Five".
It is worth a read.
--
rb #2187
There is a film based on this book, having the same title. I saw it on
one of my trips to the US, and I liked it.
I was in Dresden several times, first in 1968 and then in 1991 after
reunification.
In 1968 there still were many ruins, only the Zwinger and few classical
building had been reconstructed. Dresden was not very high on the list
of priorities.
In 1991 I found many people of Dresden to be very loyal to their home
town, some told me how much voluntary work they had put into rebuilding
the Semper opera house and other old buildings. And the Frauenkirche
(church of our lady) is beeing rebuilt from donations, not from
government money (yes, I gave some money, too).
What I like in this context, is that with the average citizen of Dresden
you find good knowledge on what happened in February 1945, but no hate.
Most people know both sides of the coin.
If you travel to Germany, try to see Dresden. I could give you some
hints where to go.
And if your computer has an Athlon chip in it, there is a good chance it
was produced in Dresden, AMD has a big fab there.
Regards
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
18 Feb 2005 01:26:13 AM |
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"Wieland der Schmied" <reneschulz@gmx.net> wrote in message
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108359775.546251.111740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dresden victims remembered
A church service was held on Sunday evening in commemoration of the
devastating Allied bombing of Dresden in World War II that killed an
estimated 35,000 residents 60 years ago.
Kurt Vonnegut was a US POW held there at the time.
He gives an account of the bombing
in his book "Slaughterhouse-Five".
It is worth a read.
--
rb #2187
There is a film based on this book, having the same title. I saw it on
one of my trips to the US, and I liked it.
That is one of my favorite movies.
I was in Dresden several times, first in 1968 and then in 1991 after
reunification.
In 1968 there still were many ruins, only the Zwinger and few classical
building had been reconstructed. Dresden was not very high on the list
of priorities.
In 1991 I found many people of Dresden to be very loyal to their home
town, some told me how much voluntary work they had put into rebuilding
the Semper opera house and other old buildings. And the Frauenkirche
(church of our lady) is beeing rebuilt from donations, not from
government money (yes, I gave some money, too).
What I like in this context, is that with the average citizen of Dresden
you find good knowledge on what happened in February 1945, but no hate.
Most people know both sides of the coin.
If you travel to Germany, try to see Dresden. I could give you some
hints where to go.
I was in Berlin in '91. Several people told me that I should
really see Dresden. It didn't fit in my plans but I remember
their recommendation and I remember Vonnegut's writings.
I hope to be able to see Dresden and Berlin again some day.
And if your computer has an Athlon chip in it, there is a good chance it
was produced in Dresden, AMD has a big fab there.
Cool. I'd like to see that too. :)
Regards
cheers,
Ron
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
14 Feb 2005 10:40:45 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108359775.546251.111740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dresden victims remembered
A church service was held on Sunday evening in commemoration of the
devastating Allied bombing of Dresden in World War II that killed an
estimated 35,000 residents 60 years ago.
In a sign of reconciliation, clergy from Coventry Cathedral in England
- gutted by German bombing in 1940 - presented a cross to Dresden's
Frauenkirche, or Church of Our Lady.
The Dean of Coventry Cathedral, which was itself destroyed by German
bombers in 1940 - said the anniversary should not be about hatred or
revenge. The Very Reverend Irvine said Coventry and Dresden had both
suffered the devastating effects of war.
The Church of Our Lady was left in ruins for decades by communist East
Germany as an anti-war memorial, but has been lavishly rebuilt since
Germany's 1990 reunification.
On February 13, 1945, the British RAF Bomber Command launched a
devastating raid on Dresden, destroying the city, which was known as
"The Balcony of Europe" for its stunning architecture.
The following day US bombers launched a second attack. Official
estimates suggest that around 35 thousand people died but some claim
the figure was closer to 400 thousand.
It was sad. I'm glad that people are 'coming together'....but everytime I
think of Dresden, I also think if Krystalnacht.
When I think of the 35,000-400,000 who died there, the figure 6,000,000
enters my mind. Whenever I think of the innocents who died in the bombings
of Dresden and other cities in Germany, I think of London.
.....and who started the killing.
.......and who ended it.
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| User: "J Young" |
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14 Feb 2005 02:31:28 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108359775.546251.111740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dresden victims remembered
A church service was held on Sunday evening in commemoration of the
devastating Allied bombing of Dresden in World War II that killed
an
estimated 35,000 residents 60 years ago.
In a sign of reconciliation, clergy from Coventry Cathedral in
England
- gutted by German bombing in 1940 - presented a cross to Dresden's
Frauenkirche, or Church of Our Lady.
The Dean of Coventry Cathedral, which was itself destroyed by
German
bombers in 1940 - said the anniversary should not be about hatred
or
revenge. The Very Reverend Irvine said Coventry and Dresden had
both
suffered the devastating effects of war.
The Church of Our Lady was left in ruins for decades by communist
East
Germany as an anti-war memorial, but has been lavishly rebuilt
since
Germany's 1990 reunification.
On February 13, 1945, the British RAF Bomber Command launched a
devastating raid on Dresden, destroying the city, which was known
as
"The Balcony of Europe" for its stunning architecture.
The following day US bombers launched a second attack. Official
estimates suggest that around 35 thousand people died but some
claim
the figure was closer to 400 thousand.
It was sad. I'm glad that people are 'coming together'....but
everytime I
think of Dresden, I also think if Krystalnacht.
When I think of the 35,000-400,000 who died there, the figure
6,000,000
enters my mind. Whenever I think of the innocents who died in the
bombings
of Dresden and other cities in Germany, I think of London.
....and who started the killing.
......and who ended it.
Dresden was a 2 day holocaust. Germany lost over 10 million people
during the war and countless millions afterwards. Many of the
atrocities perpetrated upon the Germans are finally coming to light. Do
not diminish their suffering. They lost a war littered with war crimes
by all sides.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
14 Feb 2005 04:02:37 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108413088.429838.286000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Many of the atrocities perpetrated upon the Germans are finally coming to
light. Do not diminish their suffering.
"JYoung/IBenGetiner", a Nazi apologist.
Now there's a surprise.
Not.
LC~ "J's" bigoted idiocy knows no bounds.
"Those filthy bastards killed Christ. Now they want to
destroy the entire middle east." ~"JYoung" offers up some anti-Semitism,
via one of his numerous sockpuppets, in
Message-ID: <5a858a1e.0403160718.2241d13a@posting.google.com>
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
14 Feb 2005 04:45:27 PM |
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Loose Cannon wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108413088.429838.286000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Many of the atrocities perpetrated upon the Germans are finally coming to
light. Do not diminish their suffering.
"JYoung/IBenGetiner", a Nazi apologist.
Now there's a surprise.
So.... It is entirely appropriate and justifiable to firebomb cities full of
civilians just because the government is committing atrocities?
Careful how you answer. There are a great many people around the world who look
at Iraq and see the Bush administration committing atrocities.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
14 Feb 2005 09:35:24 PM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:42112A07.F971ACD8@serv.net...
Loose Cannon wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108413088.429838.286000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Many of the atrocities perpetrated upon the Germans are finally coming
to light. Do not diminish their suffering.
"JYoung/IBenGetiner", a Nazi apologist.
Now there's a surprise.
So.... It is entirely appropriate and justifiable to firebomb cities full
of civilians just because the government is committing atrocities?
Hardly. I'm on record as being anti-Bush and anti-occupation for quite some
time.
I'm just responding to renowned bigot "JYoung/IBenGetiner's" rather
transparent Nazi sympathies. Needless to say, he's an avowed Klan
sympathizer and homophobe as well.
Of course, he does claim to be a 'Christian'...<rolls eyed>
Careful how you answer. There are a great many people around the world who
look at Iraq and see the Bush administration committing atrocities.
Absolutely.
The Bush junta and their ill-advised agenda is the worst thing that has
happened to our country in many years. And the damage- diplomatically,
morally, and financially-will persist for years. Perhaps decades.
LC~ No argument on that point.
"Let it be know that I'm PROUD to proclaim my HATRED for QUEERS, CHILD
KILLERS and NIGGERS of ALL colours. I can't think of three more worthy
enemies. You got that...? I'm PROUD to hate faggots, abortionists and
negroes. They ALL are a POX upon the ***** of humanity. I can't wait to see
them (and their supporters like YOU) ROAST in hell!"~ "IBen/Jon Young",
feeling his Kristian love, in Message-ID:
<20040727045300.04588.00002036@mb-m10.aol.com>
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| User: "J Young" |
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14 Feb 2005 10:10:30 PM |
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Loose Cannon wrote:
Hardly. I'm on record as being anti-Bush and anti-occupation for
quite some
time.
So who exactly were you endorsing when you wrote this?
From: "Loose Cannon" <loose.can...@juno.com>
Subject: Re: A M u s t R e a d !
Date: 2000/06/13
Message-ID: <8i6n99$njh$1@nw001t.infi.net>#1/1
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References: <8i6k89$qru$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Organization: What? With a name like Loose Cannon?
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
A vote for Pat Buchannon is a vote for algore. Look at how Perot
handed
clinton a couple wins. Any other time I would consider looking at a 3rd
party candidate but not this year. Too much is at stake this year.
L.C.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
15 Feb 2005 03:14:17 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108440630.198537.26680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Loose Cannon wrote:
Hardly. I'm on record as being anti-Bush and anti-occupation for quite
some time.
So who exactly were you endorsing when you wrote this?
<snip "Jon's" confused attribution>
Sorry "Jon", but I didn't write it. But you knew that.
In fact, if memory serves, you are a Pat Buchanan lackey.
Figures.
However, I have proof that you forged these "Loose Cannon" sockpuppets for
your own demented ends:
From: "looseain't@that" <>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.7
From: "Loose Cannon" <Findin...@aol.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.7
From: (Loose Cannon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.7
From:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.7
From:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.7
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.7
<superasswipe@hotmail.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.7
Care to discuss this further, IBen?
LC~ I didn't think so. What a coward.
Run, IBen, run!
"Actually, you're not crazy. Absolutely anyone can use the ID "Loose
Cannon". There is no protection,as say a non-coward who isn't afraid
to use his real name. Just sign up with any free e-mail
service,register with Google,pick the name "Loose Cannon". Now you are
free to post anywhere you want, and say anything you want. Try it,
it's fun."
IBen/Jon Young in message
(since canceled by IBen, but reviewable via Message-ID:
<hyF5c.24078$%06.23846@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>),
hatching up yet another diabolical scheme. What a mind!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Feb 2005 04:54:56 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:14:17 GMT, "Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
"Actually, you're not crazy. Absolutely anyone can use the ID "Loose
Cannon". There is no protection,as say a non-coward who isn't afraid
to use his real name. Just sign up with any free e-mail
service,register with Google,pick the name "Loose Cannon". Now you are
free to post anywhere you want, and say anything you want. Try it,
it's fun."
IBen/Jon Young
But he got his panties all in a twist when I did it to him, didn't he?
And I didn't even have to open a free email account to do it.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
15 Feb 2005 05:07:55 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6cv411pbu6q1j0ihtun6shc01guamln137@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:14:17 GMT, "Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
"Actually, you're not crazy. Absolutely anyone can use the ID "Loose
Cannon". There is no protection,as say a non-coward who isn't afraid
to use his real name. Just sign up with any free e-mail
service,register with Google,pick the name "Loose Cannon". Now you are
free to post anywhere you want, and say anything you want. Try it,
it's fun."
IBen/Jon Young
But he got his panties all in a twist when I did it to him, didn't he?
Indeed. Even dedicated a post to you.
"J's" surely not a hypocrite, ya think?
And I didn't even have to open a free email account to do it.
His record suggests that if you challenge his BS, he'll create a 'tribute
sock' dedicated just to you.
Maybe even 4 or 5. <g>
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so
unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
15 Feb 2005 06:40:20 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:07:55 GMT, "Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6cv411pbu6q1j0ihtun6shc01guamln137@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:14:17 GMT, "Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
But he got his panties all in a twist when I did it to him, didn't he?
Indeed. Even dedicated a post to you.
"J's" surely not a hypocrite, ya think?
Heaven forfend!
And I didn't even have to open a free email account to do it.
His record suggests that if you challenge his BS, he'll create a 'tribute
sock' dedicated just to you.
Maybe even 4 or 5. <g>
I can't wait. :)
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
15 Feb 2005 10:52:04 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:07:55 GMT, "Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
His record suggests that if you challenge his BS, he'll create a 'tribute
sock' dedicated just to you.
Maybe even 4 or 5. <g>
I can't wait. :)
Gee, it's almost worth taking him out of my killfile to see if it works....
Susan
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| User: "J Young" |
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16 Feb 2005 08:30:16 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:07:55 GMT, "Loose Cannon"
<looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6cv411pbu6q1j0ihtun6shc01guamln137@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:14:17 GMT, "Loose Cannon"
<looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
But he got his panties all in a twist when I did it to him, didn't
he?
Indeed. Even dedicated a post to you.
"J's" surely not a hypocrite, ya think?
Heaven forfend!
And I didn't even have to open a free email account to do it.
His record suggests that if you challenge his BS, he'll create a
'tribute
sock' dedicated just to you.
Maybe even 4 or 5. <g>
I can't wait. :)
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such
lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
Thankyou for admitting your forgery.(It's documented). As far as
"sock-puppets" go, according to that son of a *****, I've been forging
his posts since 1989 and have created at 16 "loose cannon" in that
time. Use Google.
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16 Feb 2005 09:57:56 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108564216.453498.278670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:07:55 GMT, "Loose Cannon"
<looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6cv411pbu6q1j0ihtun6shc01guamln137@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:14:17 GMT, "Loose Cannon"
<looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
But he got his panties all in a twist when I did it to him, didn't
he?
Indeed. Even dedicated a post to you.
"J's" surely not a hypocrite, ya think?
Heaven forfend!
And I didn't even have to open a free email account to do it.
His record suggests that if you challenge his BS, he'll create a
'tribute sock' dedicated just to you.
Maybe even 4 or 5. <g>
I can't wait. :)
I suspect you won't have to.
Thankyou for admitting your forgery.(It's documented). As far as
LOL.
"J's" not bright enough to realize when he's been given a lesson.
"sock-puppets" go, according to that son of a *****, I've been forging
his posts since 1989
I'm sure you'll want to provide some proof of that statement, IBen.
Unless, of course, you're just lying. Again.
and have created at 16 "loose cannon" in that time.
Just these, "J". They have your stench all over 'em (not to mention those
pesky matching NNTP's):
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.jewish,tx.politics,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.israel,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Dresden victims remembered
Date: 16 Feb 2005 06:30:16 -0800
Message-ID: <1108564216.453498.278670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.116.204
From: "Loose Cannon" <Findingis@aol.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.116.204
From: "looseain't@that" <loosecannon__@hotmail.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.116.204
From: (Loose Cannon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.116.204
From: "loser cannon loses again" <superasswipe@hotmail.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.116.204
From: (Loose Cannon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.116.204
Another day, another lie. <yawn>
Use Google.
Google ain't your friend, IBen.
LC~ How...not surprising.
"anal stimulation with a ***** helps enhance the spanking experience."
~Kinky troll "Asswipe/IBenGetiner/Jon Young", spanked again, sans *****.
From: (Jon Young)
Newsgroups: soc.sexuality.spanking
Subject: best done with help
Date: 5 Oct 2003 18:00:43 -0700
Message-ID: <567f3dc3.0310051700.31b4eb95@posting.google.com>
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17 Feb 2005 05:28:29 PM |
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On 16 Feb 2005 06:30:16 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:07:55 GMT, "Loose Cannon"
<looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:14:17 GMT, "Loose Cannon"
<looseain't@this.com>
said in alt.atheism:
But he got his panties all in a twist when I did it to him, didn't
he?
Indeed. Even dedicated a post to you.
"J's" surely not a hypocrite, ya think?
Heaven forfend!
And I didn't even have to open a free email account to do it.
His record suggests that if you challenge his BS, he'll create a
'tribute
sock' dedicated just to you.
Maybe even 4 or 5. <g>
I can't wait. :)
Thankyou for admitting your forgery.(It's documented).
It was in response to your claim about being able to post forgeries,
Jon. OF COURSE I "admit" showing you how it's done. Whoosh!
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
17 Feb 2005 11:22:11 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
Thankyou for admitting your forgery.(It's documented).
It was in response to your claim about being able to post forgeries,
Jon. OF COURSE I "admit" showing you how it's done. Whoosh!
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You mean you responded to a forgery attributed to me.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
18 Feb 2005 09:19:21 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
Thankyou for admitting your forgery.(It's documented).
It was in response to your claim about being able to post forgeries,
Jon. OF COURSE I "admit" showing you how it's done. Whoosh!
You mean you responded to a forgery attributed to me.
LOL. You really are a pathological liar, "J".
As if "Jon", "IBen", and your plethora of other socks tripping all over the
same threads, in the same ng's, with identical NNTP's isn't enough, why not
try and explain this thread, "Jon"?:
http://tinyurl.com/5ectt
And how about a comment on this post, which you've cowardly cancelled from
the Google archives (but still available in <alt.music.moody-blues>):
"You fucked with the wrong guy, EVERY post you make will be attacked
with this headline. I really don't give 2 shits if I ever post again
under my real name."
From: "From now on, every post loose cannon makes will be followed with this
title" <superasswipe@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.moody-blues
Subject: Re: Loose Cannon, the son of a *****, is a lying, forging piece of
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Date: 16 Jan 2005 17:30:22 -0800
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"loose cannon is a lying, forging scumbag"
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.moody-blues
Subject: Re: loose cannon is a lying, forging scumbag
Date: 17 Jan 2005 16:45:48 -0800
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I anxiously await your explanation. <BFG>
Bet you run. Again.
It's who-and what- you are.
A coward.
LC~ "Jon" said something about lying, forging scumbags?
"You use a persons own past words to defeat them and suddenly you're a
stalker. If you can't stand the heat, get yer azz OUT of the kitchen, IBen
has always said. Fight the good fight or SHUT IT!" IBen Getiner
From: (IBen Getiner/JYoung), big talk, no walk.
Newsgroups: alt.music.moody-blues
Date: 25 Jul 2004 16:32:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Resentful STALKERS:
Message-ID: <20040725123228.25422.00002138@mb-m29.aol.com>
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| User: "Philip Davidson" |
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| Title: Re: Dresden victims remembered |
18 Feb 2005 09:32:06 AM |
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soc.culture.jewish,tx.politics,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.israel,alt.atheism
Loose Cannon wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108704131.129249.139770@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Al Klein wrote:
Thankyou for admitting your forgery.(It's documented).
It was in response to your claim about being able to post
forgeries,
Jon. OF COURSE I "admit" showing you how it's done. Whoosh!
You mean you responded to a forgery attributed to me.
LOL. You really are a pathological liar, "J".
As if "Jon", "IBen", and your plethora of other socks tripping all
over the
same threads, in the same ng's, with identical NNTP's isn't enough,
why not
try and explain this thread, "Jon"?:
http://tinyurl.com/5ectt
And how about a comment on this post, which you've cowardly cancelled
from
the Google archives (but still available in <alt.music.moody-blues>):
"You fucked with the wrong guy, EVERY post you make will be attacked
with this headline. I really don't give 2 shits if I ever post again
under my real name."
From: "From now on, every post loose cannon makes will be followed
with this
title" <superasswipe@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.moody-blues
Subject: Re: Loose Cannon, the son of a *****, is a lying, forging
piece of
*****
Date: 16 Jan 2005 17:30:22 -0800
Message-ID: <1105925422.282859.242950@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.73
"loose cannon is a lying, forging scumbag"
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.moody-blues
Subject: Re: loose cannon is a lying, forging scumbag
Date: 17 Jan 2005 16:45:48 -0800
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.74
I anxiously await your explanation. <BFG>
Bet you run. Again.
It's who-and what- you are.
A coward.
LC~ "Jon" said something about lying, forging scumbags?
"You use a persons own past words to defeat them and suddenly you're
a
stalker. If you can't stand the heat, get yer azz OUT of the kitchen,
IBen
has always said. Fight the good fight or SHUT IT!" IBen Getiner
From: (IBen Getiner/JYoung), big talk, no walk.
Newsgroups: alt.music.moody-blues
Date: 25 Jul 2004 16:32:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Resentful STALKERS:
Message-ID: <20040725123228.25422.00002138@mb-m29.aol.com>
I think Des O'Connor is the most boring person in the world
is he running this forum's?
http://www.des-oconnor.com/
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Feb 2005 01:00:08 PM |
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On 17 Feb 2005 21:22:11 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
Thankyou for admitting your forgery.(It's documented).
It was in response to your claim about being able to post forgeries,
Jon. OF COURSE I "admit" showing you how it's done. Whoosh!
You mean you responded to a forgery attributed to me.
No, I responded to a post of yours ABOUT forgery. DO try to keep up.
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as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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| User: "DianaC" |
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15 Feb 2005 08:51:54 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Loose Cannon wrote:
Hardly. I'm on record as being anti-Bush and anti-occupation for
quite some
time.
So who exactly were you endorsing when you wrote this?
From: "Loose Cannon" <loose.can...@juno.com>
Subject: Re: A M u s t R e a d !
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A vote for Pat Buchannon is a vote for algore. Look at how Perot
handed
clinton a couple wins. Any other time I would consider looking at a 3rd
party candidate but not this year. Too much is at stake this year.
L.C.
I would say that he changed his mind. I think that "quite some time" would
be well represented by four years, don't you?
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| User: "" |
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16 Feb 2005 07:02:11 PM |
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"So.... It is entirely appropriate and justifiable to firebomb cities
full of
civilians just because the government is committing atrocities?"
It's their country. It was up to the Germans to prevent Hitler from
coming into power. It was up to them to depose him after he did. If
they stand around with their fingers up their asses while he tries to
conquer the world and commit genocide using them and their country as a
resource, then they have to expect to suffer. The idea that the Brits
and the Americans should accept rules of engagement that would prevent
them from winning a war against someone who accepted no such rules is
absurd.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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14 Feb 2005 05:02:19 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>>>
Dresden was a 2 day holocaust. Germany lost over 10 million people
during the war and countless millions afterwards. Many of the
atrocities perpetrated upon the Germans are finally coming to light. Do
not diminish their suffering. They lost a war littered with war crimes
by all sides.
Oddly enough, I do not "diminish their suffering" I just put it into
context.
Quite frankly, the Germans of that time had a choice that few of us have
ever had to face; for them it was a black and white choice, and every adult
German did know what was going on; if you don't think so, I suggest you read
the book 'Tales from a Child of the Enemy" by Ursula Duba. Even those who
cried later 'But I didn't know!!"....they knew.
What did they THINK happened to their neighbors, the Jews, whose dishes and
land they suddenly owned now? Where did they think all those slave laborers
came from, who did the work? How many people did it take to deal with the
trains and the supplies and the buildings....and the smells of the camps?
They knew. They all knew someone who had lost a handicapped child or a
mentally ill aunt, all wondered about the vacant house down the
street...they knew.
They knew that they were not the ones being bombed at the beginning; they
were doing the bombing and they knew.
And they had choices. Many of them fought against it; resisted it, aided the
Jews and others who were being exterminated. Most did not. Most chose to
turn their heads; whether from agreement or from fear of their own lives, it
matters not. They knew.
So yes. They suffered.
And I am sorry that they did, especially for the children who did NOT know.
Children like Ursula who lives in utter shame at what her parents
knew....and did nothing about, and who saw to it that their children got a
very different message about that time, indeed.
But let's not kid ourselves, OR our children in turn; when you do something
this heinous, and get hurt for doing so, sympathy for your pain must always
come with the reason you suffered it. So, along with sympathy for Dresden,
always, ALWAYS, mention Krystalnact. When you talk of the plight of the
hungry German children, always, ALWAYS speak of Treblinka.
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