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User: "Fred Stone"
Date: 29 Apr 2005 10:03:29 AM
Object: Dubya on Faith and Politics
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html
Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in our
political debates, not just in society —
THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak to
myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should not say to
somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen to agree with my
view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get
great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the political
process because they may not agree with me on religion.
The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed to
worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re equally
as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose to worship,
you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the
wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.

User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 30 Apr 2005 02:50:57 AM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> astounded us with:
news:1114787010.f382022758ea7d83a0d46c23dbadf3b0@teranews:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in our
political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak to
myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should not say
to somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen to agree
with my view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue,
and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in
the political process because they may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed to
worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re
equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose to
worship, you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim.
That’s the wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it
should be.

You had little credibility before, now, you have none.
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
.

User: "Frank J Warner"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 29 Apr 2005 01:43:10 PM
In article <1114787010.f382022758ea7d83a0d46c23dbadf3b0@teranews>, Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in our
political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak to
myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should not say to
somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen to agree with my
view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get
great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the political
process because they may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed to
worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re equally
as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose to worship,
you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the
wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.

I heard him say this. In general I like to take people's words at face
value and I would like to do so here, but I'm reminded of two things:
1. His track record on telling the truth isn't that great. 2. He is his
father's son, and his father is on record saying atheists can't be
citizens.
I'm not convinced.
-Frank
--
fwarner1-at-franksknives-dot-com
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com/
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 29 Apr 2005 03:08:50 PM
Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:290420051143100219%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:

In article <1114787010.f382022758ea7d83a0d46c23dbadf3b0@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak
to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should
not say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen
to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a
personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t
condemn somebody in the political process because they may not agree
with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed
to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re
equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose
to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a
Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the
way it should be.


I heard him say this. In general I like to take people's words at face
value and I would like to do so here, but I'm reminded of two things:
1. His track record on telling the truth isn't that great.

Can you cite a demonstrable lie of his? WMD doesn't qualify, since it's
been proved that he had reason to believe that they did exist.

2. He is his father's son, and his father is on record saying atheists
can't be citizens.

By that logic Teddy Kennedy must be a bootlegger and a mobster.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.
User: "Frank J Warner"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 29 Apr 2005 08:29:10 PM
In article <1114805330.0559b4cde55bc4aa34a34b414578d322@teranews>, Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:290420051143100219%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:

In article <1114787010.f382022758ea7d83a0d46c23dbadf3b0@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak
to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should
not say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen
to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a
personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t
condemn somebody in the political process because they may not agree
with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed
to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re
equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose
to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a
Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the
way it should be.


I heard him say this. In general I like to take people's words at face
value and I would like to do so here, but I'm reminded of two things:
1. His track record on telling the truth isn't that great.


Can you cite a demonstrable lie of his? WMD doesn't qualify, since it's
been proved that he had reason to believe that they did exist.

SOTU 2005: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system would
be exhausted and bankrupt."
2000: "...I believe in local control of schools..."
1999: "...I'm a uniter, not a divider..."
*****, Fred. It goes on for pages.

2. He is his father's son, and his father is on record saying atheists
can't be citizens.


By that logic Teddy Kennedy must be a bootlegger and a mobster.

You can make that claim, but it isn't logic, and you know it.
-Frank
--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 29 Apr 2005 10:11:03 PM
Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:290420051829100790%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:

In article <1114805330.0559b4cde55bc4aa34a34b414578d322@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:290420051143100219%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:

In article <1114787010.f382022758ea7d83a0d46c23dbadf3b0@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office
should not say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you
don’t happen to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think
faith is a personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith.
But I don’t condemn somebody in the political process because they
may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship.
And if you choose to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a
Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our
country, and that’s the way it should be.


I heard him say this. In general I like to take people's words at
face value and I would like to do so here, but I'm reminded of two
things: 1. His track record on telling the truth isn't that great.


Can you cite a demonstrable lie of his? WMD doesn't qualify, since
it's been proved that he had reason to believe that they did exist.


SOTU 2005: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system
would be exhausted and bankrupt."

That isn't a lie. The social security trust fund is expected to be
exhausted by then. You'd do well to read the actual transcript of his
speech instead of Democrat-spun soundbites.

2000: "...I believe in local control of schools..."

That isn't a lie either. NCLB doesn't remove local control of the
schools, it only requires them to prove that they are in fact educating
their students. Local school boards still set the policies.

1999: "...I'm a uniter, not a divider..."

He has brought the Democrats together hasn't he? ;-)

*****, Fred. It goes on for pages.

Indeed, the Democrats keep trying to lie about his plans but he keeps on
doing what he said he would do in spite of them.

2. He is his father's son, and his father is on record saying
atheists can't be citizens.


By that logic Teddy Kennedy must be a bootlegger and a mobster.


You can make that claim, but it isn't logic, and you know it.

I agree, blaming the son for the father's faults is not logical.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.
User: "Kevin Anthoney"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 30 Apr 2005 12:14:42 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:290420051829100790%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:


SOTU 2005: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system
would be exhausted and bankrupt."


That isn't a lie. The social security trust fund is expected to be
exhausted by then. You'd do well to read the actual transcript of his
speech instead of Democrat-spun soundbites.

The trust fund, yes. The entire system, no.
Of course, you could fix the problem anyway by - gasp! - raising taxes. But
who in their right mind would want to pay money for a secure future?
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 30 Apr 2005 12:46:19 PM
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:8PqdnVluxvCvIO7fRVnyjw@pipex.net:

Fred Stone wrote:

Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:290420051829100790%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:


SOTU 2005: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system
would be exhausted and bankrupt."


That isn't a lie. The social security trust fund is expected to be
exhausted by then. You'd do well to read the actual transcript of his
speech instead of Democrat-spun soundbites.


The trust fund, yes. The entire system, no.

The Social Security system doesn't have any other assets, so
technically, that's a correct statement. Their payouts will exceed their
income from payroll taxes and they won't be able to pay the full
projected benefits. That's the definition of bankruptcy.

Of course, you could fix the problem anyway by - gasp! - raising
taxes. But who in their right mind would want to pay money for a
secure future?

Who in their right mind would trust *any* politician, Democrat or
Republican, to secure their future?
There is no guarantee that you'll get a dime out of Social Security. You
have no ownership rights to any account, and no entitlement to any
payments. You're strictly at the mercy of the politicians in Washington.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html
Supreme Court Case: Flemming vs. Nestor
Background to the Case:
The fact that workers contribute to the Social Security program's
funding through a dedicated payroll tax establishes a unique connection
between those tax payments and future benefits. More so than general
federal income taxes can be said to establish "rights" to certain
government services. This is often expressed in the idea that Social
Security benefits are "an earned right." This is true enough in a moral
and political sense. But like all federal entitlement programs, Congress
can change the rules regarding eligibility--and it has done so many
times over the years. The rules can be made more generous, or they can
be made more restrictive. Benefits which are granted at one time can be
withdrawn, as for example with student benefits, which were
substantially scaled-back in the 1983 Amendments...
[end cite]
On the other hand, putting the same percentage of your wages that you
pay in payroll taxes into an IRA or 401(k) in a diversified mutual fund
or an index fund will pay you *far* more than SS ever will.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.


User: "Frank J Warner"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 30 Apr 2005 11:41:09 AM
In article <1114830666.34fb18b9d8f09ee8829545a9347ba8fd@teranews>, Fred
Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:290420051829100790%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:

In article <1114805330.0559b4cde55bc4aa34a34b414578d322@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank J Warner <warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> wrote in
news:290420051143100219%warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net:

In article <1114787010.f382022758ea7d83a0d46c23dbadf3b0@teranews>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office
should not say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you
don’t happen to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think
faith is a personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith.
But I don’t condemn somebody in the political process because they
may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship.
And if you choose to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a
Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our
country, and that’s the way it should be.


I heard him say this. In general I like to take people's words at
face value and I would like to do so here, but I'm reminded of two
things: 1. His track record on telling the truth isn't that great.


Can you cite a demonstrable lie of his? WMD doesn't qualify, since
it's been proved that he had reason to believe that they did exist.


SOTU 2005: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system
would be exhausted and bankrupt."


That isn't a lie. The social security trust fund is expected to be
exhausted by then. You'd do well to read the actual transcript of his
speech instead of Democrat-spun soundbites.

From http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/2005/
"[W]hen today's young workers begin to retire in 2042, the system will
be exhausted and bankrupt."

2000: "...I believe in local control of schools..."


That isn't a lie either. NCLB doesn't remove local control of the
schools, it only requires them to prove that they are in fact educating
their students. Local school boards still set the policies.

With regard to curriculum? Not a chance. School boards are falling all
over themselves to align with federal standards or forfeit federal
funding. It's blackmail. It boils down to federal control and it's
another example of Bush's lies.
Some school districts (and even a couple of states) are seriously
considering bowing out of the NCLB program. It isn't working, and it
isn't fully funded. More to the point, it merely teaches kids how to
take tests, not learn.

1999: "...I'm a uniter, not a divider..."


He has brought the Democrats together hasn't he? ;-)

That's true. [g] Too bad the rest of the world hates us.

*****, Fred. It goes on for pages.


Indeed, the Democrats keep trying to lie about his plans but he keeps on
doing what he said he would do in spite of them.

No, he doesn't. He consistently says one thing then does another.
Admittedly biased, here is just one (rather extensive) list of shame:
http://flipflops.compassiongate.com/
Please note that each lie is fully documented.

2. He is his father's son, and his father is on record saying
atheists can't be citizens.


By that logic Teddy Kennedy must be a bootlegger and a mobster.


You can make that claim, but it isn't logic, and you know it.


I agree, blaming the son for the father's faults is not logical.

All right. We are both guilty of flawed inductive reasoning. But I
maintain that my argument is less flawed than yours.
-Frank
--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
.

User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 29 Apr 2005 10:21:32 PM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I agree, blaming the son for the father's faults is not logical.

Then why were Uday and Qusay murdered, and why did BushCo make such a big
deal about their killings?
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 30 Apr 2005 07:34:02 AM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:qLWdnQbXpNFYZO_fRVn-2w@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

I agree, blaming the son for the father's faults is not logical.


Then why were Uday and Qusay murdered, and why did BushCo make such a
big deal about their killings?

Because Uday and Qusay were terrorist murderers and torturers themselves.
Come on, you have to have read *something* about them? Even Michael Moore
couldn't sanitize them.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.






User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 29 Apr 2005 11:55:03 PM
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in our
political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak to
myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should not say to
somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen to agree with my
view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get
great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the political
process because they may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed to
worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re equally
as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose to worship,
you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the
wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.

Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 30 Apr 2005 07:49:34 AM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in our
political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak to
myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should not
say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen to
agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal
issue, and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn
somebody in the political process because they may not agree with me
on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed to
worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re
equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose
to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a
Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the
way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.

Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from Daddy
Bush doesn't count.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.
User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 02 May 2005 10:13:01 AM
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in our
political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak to
myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should not
say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen to
agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal
issue, and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn
somebody in the political process because they may not agree with me
on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed to
worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re
equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose
to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a
Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the
way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from Daddy
Bush doesn't count.

I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that people
who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly opposite of what
you quote here.
But he does that a lot.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 02 May 2005 10:59:49 AM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak
to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should
not say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen
to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a
personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t
condemn somebody in the political process because they may not agree
with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed
to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship,
you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you
choose to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a
Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our country, and
that’s the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from Daddy
Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that people
who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly opposite of what
you quote here.

But he does that a lot.

I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.
User: "turk"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 02 May 2005 12:24:50 PM
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1115049589.9ba96d9548e04b47db74897a708a94ac@teranews...

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society -

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak
to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should
not say to somebody, you're not equally American if you don't happen
to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a
personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith. But I don't
condemn somebody in the political process because they may not agree
with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed
to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship,
you're equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you
choose to worship, you're equally American if you're a Christian, a
Jew, a Muslim. That's the wonderful thing about our country, and
that's the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from Daddy
Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that people
who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly opposite of what
you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.

This sound like a guy who is friendly to, let alone even acknowledges, the
non-believers in America?
Faith crosses every border and touches every heart in every nation.
-- George W. Bush February 2, 2001
And this is my solemn pledge: I will work to build a single nation of
justice and opportunity. I know this is in our reach because we are guided
by a power larger than ourselves who creates us equal in His image.
-- George W. Bush January 20, 2001
After all, religion has been around a lot longer than Darwinism.
-- George W. Bush, in a speech lauding the fact that the demon possession
model of mental health "has been around a lot longer than" psychiatry
September, 2000
Religious freedom and tolerance is a protected right. I am committed to the
First Amendment principles of religious freedom, tolerance, and diversity.
Whether Mormon, Methodist, Jewish, or Muslim, Americans should be able
to participate in their constitutional free exercise of religion.
I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in
any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it.
-- George W. Bush, second remark, October 15, 2000, Web, White & Blue
2000, Rolling Cyber Debate question: "With religious diversity increasing,
what are your thoughts on the protection of religious freedom and the
separation of church and state? Should religions like Wicca be banned from
recognition by the military, as some legislators suggest?"
And quit with the atheist charde, Fred. you're God has the initials "GW"
and your Jesus has the initials "$$".
turk
--
"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L.
Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 02 May 2005 01:28:20 PM
"turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in
news:qcmdnRYseov-_-vfRVn-1A@comcast.com:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1115049589.9ba96d9548e04b47db74897a708a94ac@teranews...

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society -

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office
should not say to somebody, you're not equally American if you
don't happen to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think
faith is a personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith.
But I don't condemn somebody in the political process because they
may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you're equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship.
And if you choose to worship, you're equally American if you're a
Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That's the wonderful thing about our
country, and that's the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from
Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that people
who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly opposite of
what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.


This sound like a guy who is friendly to, let alone even acknowledges,
the non-believers in America?

Still no cite of the alleged "tape". Oh well, it's somewhere in the
Democratic landfill, so it must be true.

Faith crosses every border and touches every heart in every nation.
-- George W. Bush February 2, 2001

And this is my solemn pledge: I will work to build a single nation of
justice and opportunity. I know this is in our reach because we are
guided by a power larger than ourselves who creates us equal in His
image. -- George W. Bush January 20, 2001

After all, religion has been around a lot longer than Darwinism.
-- George W. Bush, in a speech lauding the fact that the demon
possession model of mental health "has been around a lot longer than"
psychiatry September, 2000

Religious freedom and tolerance is a protected right. I am committed
to the
First Amendment principles of religious freedom, tolerance, and
diversity.
Whether Mormon, Methodist, Jewish, or Muslim, Americans should be
able
to participate in their constitutional free exercise of religion.
I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is
in
any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it.
-- George W. Bush, second remark, October 15, 2000, Web, White &
Blue
2000, Rolling Cyber Debate question: "With religious diversity
increasing, what are your thoughts on the protection of religious
freedom and the separation of church and state? Should religions like
Wicca be banned from recognition by the military, as some legislators
suggest?"

And quit with the atheist charde, Fred. you're God has the initials
"GW" and your Jesus has the initials "$$".

Yawn. More incoherent insults from a frustrated lefty. I do not
subscribe to Bush's opinions above, but I don't see where any of that
supports the claim that he said that people who don't believe in God
aren't patriotic.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.


User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 02 May 2005 04:58:16 PM
On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak
to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should
not say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen
to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a
personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t
condemn somebody in the political process because they may not agree
with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed
to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship,
you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you
choose to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a
Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our country, and
that’s the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from Daddy
Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that people
who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly opposite of what
you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.

LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 02 May 2005 06:10:13 PM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office
should not say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you
don’t happen to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think
faith is a personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith.
But I don’t condemn somebody in the political process because they
may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship.
And if you choose to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a
Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our
country, and that’s the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from
Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that people
who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly opposite of
what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.

That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.
User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 02 May 2005 09:55:02 PM
On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:10:13 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in
our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political office
should not say to somebody, you’re not equally American if you
don’t happen to agree with my view of religion. As I said, I think
faith is a personal issue, and I get great strength from my faith.
But I don’t condemn somebody in the political process because they
may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does worship.
And if you choose to worship, you’re equally American if you’re a
Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful thing about our
country, and that’s the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from
Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that people
who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly opposite of
what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.


That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)

Let's face it Fred - even if I had Bush here himself to tell you what
he said before, you'd find a reason to not believe it.
You don't have cigars to give out, or whatever it is that you think
you have.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 03 May 2005 06:08:04 AM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c6e75d.611865187@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:10:13 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used
in our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political
office should not say to somebody, you’re not equally American
if you don’t happen to agree with my view of religion. As I
said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get great
strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the
political process because they may not agree with me on
religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does
worship. And if you choose to worship, you’re equally American
if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful
thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from
Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that
people who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly
opposite of what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.


That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)


Let's face it Fred - even if I had Bush here himself to tell you what
he said before, you'd find a reason to not believe it.

Kate, have you been taking lessons from Eric Brze?

You don't have cigars to give out, or whatever it is that you think
you have.

That doesn't matter much since you can't support your claim.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.
User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 03 May 2005 08:38:03 AM
On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:08:04 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42c6e75d.611865187@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:10:13 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used
in our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political
office should not say to somebody, you’re not equally American
if you don’t happen to agree with my view of religion. As I
said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get great
strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the
political process because they may not agree with me on
religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does
worship. And if you choose to worship, you’re equally American
if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful
thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from
Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that
people who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly
opposite of what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.


That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)


Let's face it Fred - even if I had Bush here himself to tell you what
he said before, you'd find a reason to not believe it.


Kate, have you been taking lessons from Eric Brze?

You don't have cigars to give out, or whatever it is that you think
you have.


That doesn't matter much since you can't support your claim.

Yes I can
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050111-101004-3771r.htm
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 03 May 2005 10:26:08 AM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ce7e4f.650506468@news-west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:08:04 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c6e75d.611865187@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:10:13 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-

9.html


Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being
used in our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political
office should not say to somebody, you’re not equally American
if you don’t happen to agree with my view of religion. As I
said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get great
strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the
political process because they may not agree with me on
religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does
worship. And if you choose to worship, you’re equally American
if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful
thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from
Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that
people who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly
opposite of what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.


That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)


Let's face it Fred - even if I had Bush here himself to tell you
what he said before, you'd find a reason to not believe it.


Kate, have you been taking lessons from Eric Brze?

You don't have cigars to give out, or whatever it is that you think
you have.


That doesn't matter much since you can't support your claim.


Yes I can

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050111-101004-3771r.htm

No, you can't.
From your own cite:
President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.
....
"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.
User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 03 May 2005 10:34:01 AM
On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:26:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ce7e4f.650506468@news-west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:08:04 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42c6e75d.611865187@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:10:13 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-

9.html


Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being
used in our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only
speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in political
office should not say to somebody, you’re not equally American
if you don’t happen to agree with my view of religion. As I
said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get great
strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the
political process because they may not agree with me on
religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not to
worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does
worship. And if you choose to worship, you’re equally American
if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the wonderful
thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote from
Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that
people who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly
opposite of what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.


That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)


Let's face it Fred - even if I had Bush here himself to tell you
what he said before, you'd find a reason to not believe it.


Kate, have you been taking lessons from Eric Brze?

You don't have cigars to give out, or whatever it is that you think
you have.


That doesn't matter much since you can't support your claim.


Yes I can

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050111-101004-3771r.htm


No, you can't.

From your own cite:

President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.

...

"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say
that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,"
Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that...

LOL,true to your stoogedom, you cut the last line.
" I think that's just the way it is. "
I told you, you couldn't manage to hear it if Bush said it to your
face.
Face it Fred - you got no cigars - or whatever else it is that you
think you play with instead.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 03 May 2005 11:51:42 AM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:42d49900.657339812@news-west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:26:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ce7e4f.650506468@news-west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:08:04 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c6e75d.611865187@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:10:13 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-

9.html


Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being
used in our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can
only speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in
political office should not say to somebody, you’re not
equally American if you don’t happen to agree with my view
of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue,
and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn
somebody in the political process because they may not agree
with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not
to worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does
worship. And if you choose to worship, you’re equally
American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the
wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it
should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote
from Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that
people who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly
opposite of what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no
cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.


That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)


Let's face it Fred - even if I had Bush here himself to tell you
what he said before, you'd find a reason to not believe it.


Kate, have you been taking lessons from Eric Brze?

You don't have cigars to give out, or whatever it is that you
think you have.


That doesn't matter much since you can't support your claim.


Yes I can

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050111-101004-3771r.htm


No, you can't.

From your own cite:

President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.

...

"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then
say that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious
person," Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like
that...


LOL,true to your stoogedom, you cut the last line.

" I think that's just the way it is. "

Yeah, and you take that line out of context, just like I expected you
would. "I think people attack me because they are fearful...I think
that's just the way it is."

I told you, you couldn't manage to hear it if Bush said it to your
face.

Thanks for participating in this experiment in liberal theology.

Face it Fred - you got no cigars - or whatever else it is that you
think you play with instead.

That still makes no sense, darlin.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.
User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 03 May 2005 12:17:03 PM
On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:51:42 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42d49900.657339812@news-west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:26:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ce7e4f.650506468@news-west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:08:04 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42c6e75d.611865187@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:10:13 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-

9.html


Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being
used in our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can
only speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in
political office should not say to somebody, you’re not
equally American if you don’t happen to agree with my view
of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue,
and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn
somebody in the political process because they may not agree
with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be
allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not
to worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who does
worship. And if you choose to worship, you’re equally
American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the
wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it
should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote
from Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said that
people who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly
opposite of what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no
cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.


That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)


Let's face it Fred - even if I had Bush here himself to tell you
what he said before, you'd find a reason to not believe it.


Kate, have you been taking lessons from Eric Brze?

You don't have cigars to give out, or whatever it is that you
think you have.


That doesn't matter much since you can't support your claim.


Yes I can

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050111-101004-3771r.htm


No, you can't.

From your own cite:

President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is always
mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.

...

"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then
say that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious
person," Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like
that...


LOL,true to your stoogedom, you cut the last line.

" I think that's just the way it is. "


Yeah, and you take that line out of context, just like I expected you
would. "I think people attack me because they are fearful...I think
that's just the way it is."

It was on the end, right where I said. And obviously that's what you
thought it meant too otherwise you wouldn not have cut it so people
wouldn't know what he had really said. You had to twist up the
sentence to get it to mean something else.
LOL - your real feelings show through.


I told you, you couldn't manage to hear it if Bush said it to your
face.


Thanks for participating in this experiment in liberal theology.

Face it Fred - you got no cigars - or whatever else it is that you
think you play with instead.


That still makes no sense, darlin.

I know - it is hard to play with things you apparently don't have.
Pretend some more - you seem to be real good at that.
And do it yourself - you are boring.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 03 May 2005 12:47:14 PM
(Kate ) wrote in news:42d9b06f.663339156@news-
west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:51:42 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42d49900.657339812@news-west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 15:26:08 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69

@earthling.com>

wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ce7e4f.650506468@news-west.newscene.com:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 11:08:04 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c6e75d.611865187@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:10:13 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42c0a1f3.594094953@news-west.newscene.com:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:49 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42ba42dc.569751890@news-west.newscene.com:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:49:34 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42af0f42.359913000@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-

9.html


Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being
used in our political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can
only speak to myself, and I am mindful that people in
political office should not say to somebody, you’re not
equally American if you don’t happen to agree with my view
of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue,
and I get great strength from my faith. But I don’t

condemn

somebody in the political process because they may not

agree

with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should

be

allowed to worship any way you want, and if you choose not
to worship, you’re equally as patriotic as somebody who

does

worship. And if you choose to worship, you’re equally
American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s

the

wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it
should be.


Now there's a direct turn around from prior statements.


Care to cite some of those prior statements? That old quote
from Daddy Bush doesn't count.


I heard the tape. He was talking on a talk show and said

that

people who don't believe in God aren't patriotic. Directly
opposite of what you quote here.

But he does that a lot.


I asked for a citation, not a vague memory. Nice try but no
cigar.


LOL, I'm smoking it whether you like it or not.


That's not a cigar, darlin. :-)


Let's face it Fred - even if I had Bush here himself to tell you
what he said before, you'd find a reason to not believe it.


Kate, have you been taking lessons from Eric Brze?

You don't have cigars to give out, or whatever it is that you
think you have.


That doesn't matter much since you can't support your claim.


Yes I can

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050111-101004-3771r.htm


No, you can't.

From your own cite:

President Bush said yesterday that he doesn't "see how you can be
president without a relationship with the Lord," but that he is

always

mindful to protect the right of others to worship or not worship.

...

"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then
say that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious
person," Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted

like

that...


LOL,true to your stoogedom, you cut the last line.

" I think that's just the way it is. "


Yeah, and you take that line out of context, just like I expected you
would. "I think people attack me because they are fearful...I think
that's just the way it is."


It was on the end, right where I said. And obviously that's what you
thought it meant too otherwise you wouldn not have cut it so people
wouldn't know what he had really said. You had to twist up the
sentence to get it to mean something else.

Nice to see that your telepathic powers are as reliable as your
intellect.

LOL - your real feelings show through.

Projecting again?


I told you, you couldn't manage to hear it if Bush said it to your
face.


Thanks for participating in this experiment in liberal theology.

Face it Fred - you got no cigars - or whatever else it is that you
think you play with instead.


That still makes no sense, darlin.


I know - it is hard to play with things you apparently don't have.
Pretend some more - you seem to be real good at that.

Look away from the mirror, Katie darlin.

And do it yourself - you are boring.

Aww, don't you want to play any more?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
.














User: "Mephisto"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 30 Apr 2005 02:47:28 PM
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in our
political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak to
myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should not say to
somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen to agree with my
view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get
great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the political
process because they may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed to
worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re equally
as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose to worship,
you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the
wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.

Wow... if Bush said it, it must be true! But why is he hiring so many
interns from fundamentalist Christian-only schools, rather than
secular schools? If he's trying to be fair, why is he not hiring
interns from Muslim, Jewish, Mormon and other faith-based schools?
Mephisto
.
User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Dubya on Faith and Politics 30 Apr 2005 03:53:40 PM
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:47:28 +0100, Mephisto <mephisto@go.away> wrote:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:03:29 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050428-9.html

Q ...I asked you what you think of the ways faith is being used in our
political debates, not just in society —

THE PRESIDENT: No, I know you asked me that. Well, I can only speak to
myself, and I am mindful that people in political office should not say to
somebody, you’re not equally American if you don’t happen to agree with my
view of religion. As I said, I think faith is a personal issue, and I get
great strength from my faith. But I don’t condemn somebody in the political
process because they may not agree with me on religion.

The great thing about America, David, is that you should be allowed to
worship any way you want, and if you choose not to worship, you’re equally
as patriotic as somebody who does worship. And if you choose to worship,
you’re equally American if you’re a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. That’s the
wonderful thing about our country, and that’s the way it should be.


Wow... if Bush said it, it must be true! But why is he hiring so many
interns from fundamentalist Christian-only schools, rather than
secular schools? If he's trying to be fair, why is he not hiring
interns from Muslim, Jewish, Mormon and other faith-based schools?

Just another case of a politician saying what he thinks you want to
hear.



Mephisto

.