On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:22:45 GMT, GlennGlenn <dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:

I just might be doing the alleged "will of the Father" more than *you*
do. Guess I'll be going to "heaven" even if I don't believe in it.

Yes, there's always that possibility.

So you'd better drop your beliefs and wake up to your own dishonesty
with others, including those who don't believe as you do... your very
fate may be resting on it.

After all, it's your funeral.

Yes, thank God for my selection.

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:<9iceq0tt39sejf79i3llrfkvlqdea9k216@4ax.com>...

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:38:43 GMT, GlennGlenn
<

In article <9ehbq0dpvbe8kje6unu5o5u018770m7tou@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:34:33 -0800, "shrikeback" <hewpiedawg@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Absolutely no idea what Christianity is about, yet they reject it.

So, really, even an atheist can get into heaven, according to your
dogma?

The magic words are: those that do the will of the Father who is in
heaven. His will is fully revealed in John 13:34 - Love one another
as I love you.

In the words of the great poet: "Your love is like bad medicine."
Especially when you say endearing stuff like "burn baby burn" and "it's
your funeral"... such love in those words.

Such "love" we can do without. It is dishonest, patronizing, and false
to the core.... wrapped in ideological rhetoric.

I just might be doing the alleged "will of the Father" more than *you*
do. Guess I'll be going to "heaven" even if I don't believe in it.

Yes, there's always that possibility.

Wait a minute.

So we can get to heaven by our own efforts,
in spite of John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way,
the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but
by me"

So maybe the unbelievers can make it to heaven, but not to
God. They can't get an audience. They live in the atheist/
pagan ghetto of heaven.

I just might be doing the alleged "will of the Father" more than *you*
do. Guess I'll be going to "heaven" even if I don't believe in it.

Yes, there's always that possibility.

Wait a minute. So we can get to heaven by our own efforts,
in spite of John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way,
the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but
by me"

So maybe the unbelievers can make it to heaven, but not to
God. They can't get an audience. They live in the atheist/
pagan ghetto of heaven.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the God you believe in
will forgive an honestly non-believing person who lived a moral life. Is
that what you're saying (just to be sure)?

Yes, I believe that.

Well, I'm not going to argue with that. The believers who insist that 'God'
judges us based on religious conviction rather than actual behaviour turn
their 'God' into a moral monstrosity. I'm glad to hear you don't believe
that.
Raptor514

Which is why I laugh at some of the atheist thoughts here on the ng.

Then you must laugh at an awful lot of your fellow believers.

Absolutely no idea what Christianity is about, yet they reject it.

Don't blame atheists for not seeing a clear picture that isn't there.

Christians have utterly failed to present a single coherent image of
Christianity.

This is likely because they reject each other's notions of what it
means to be a Christian.

Absolutely no idea what Christianity is about, yet they reject it.

What's the difference between an athiest 'rejecting' Christianity and
you 'rejecting' Mormonism or Jehovah Witness?

If you REALLY knew what Taoism (actually a philosophy, not a religion)
was about, would you still reject it, or would you understand and
embrace it as the truth?

Truth be told, you REJECT only one less religion that atheists do.
Why do you reject all of those other religions?

Which is why I laugh at some of the atheist thoughts here on the ng.
Absolutely no idea what Christianity is about, yet they reject it.

I admit I do not fully understand the tenets of Christianity, few
Christians do either hence the myriad of sometime violent
disagreement. This is why I have been aking questions of Duke
and what he undertands Chritianity to mean. Judging by some of
the answers it seems Duke isn't sure either. It all goes back to
the Bible which does not seem certain either!

What matters initially is whether or not Christianity is the true
religion fo which we require proof of course if only to ensure
we don't follow the wrong one.

I think Duke has played a joke on us. We asked Duke to present
evidence to show how he knows god exists and threatened
to append this request and other requests to every post he makes
in this newsgroup.

In return he posts an article entitled "Evidence of gods existence"
(or words to that affect)

The article turns out to be rambling expostion of something about
levels which even the author admits is unprovable and is just his
idea and dreams. Even Duke must have known it was rubbish.

We asked for "Evidence of gods existence" and we got an article
entitled "Evidence of gods existence". Request fullfilled!

What Duke and seemingly everybody else, including me, have
forgotten, is that we asked for HIS evidence to show how he knows for
certain there is a god.

To claim certainty comes from belief would be an honest
position to take and many Christians openly admit that including
archbishops of England. Such belief I respect but do not share.
I only ask in return that they respect my equally sincere absence
of belief, but I do not respect the dishonest who claim they have
knowledge 'god' exist but do not then present that knowledge to us.