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19 Nov 2004 06:31:32 AM |
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Duke???...Where are yoooouuu???? |
Read my lips, ms libby, one moment after you die, you too will stand
before God to answer
for what you did while in the flesh.
You don't want to believe me - fine. It's your funeral, not mine.
duke
*****
Duke...Is God all forgiving?
If he is, I'll be right behind you at the Pearly Gates.
And we'll both get in, right?
No answer, Duke???
Is God an all forgiving God or not?
Difficult conundrum isn't it?
While you reckon I'll be going straight to hell, it would appear, if God is
all forgiving, that I'll be just as forgiven as you expect to be.
God loves all sinners, Duke.
Perhaps he even loves you more than me?
Doesn't that ***** you off a little?
Still no answer, Duke?
....Duke???????
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28 Nov 2004 05:37:09 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:52:43 GMT, GlennGlenn <dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
Am I just an accident? No. Though I don't know if my arrival was
plannned, my folks raised me deliberately, with love and hopes for me
and the society in which we live.
Does that answer your questions?
No it doesn't.
This is a useless exerceise, because no answer I give would satisfy you
for the simple reason that I won't accept your god-premise.
Are you are aren't you just an accident? Can you answer. Do you dare answer?
Your folks just mixed the ingredients preallocated 50% in your mom
and dad and thru complimentary shaped organs.
They did a hell of a lot more than *that*. They nurtured me while I
was gestating, and they fed, clothed and educated me when I left the
womb. The end result: Me.
Sure they did. But they had you to nurture because of divine intervention making you
possible.
Is the arrangement divine planning? And don't say know, because you don't
know that.
Do you? Why bring in the question of "divine planning"? Such
ruminations are basically useless unless one can identify the specific
nature of the divine planner... and given the uncountabe "candidates"
and equal lack of independent evidence for any of them, I shall stand
by the following answer: MOST LIKELY NOT.
So you think you are an accident then?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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28 Nov 2004 06:33:40 PM |
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In article <34okq0tl9sl0k2p5khqvcsb43539chk3r8@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:52:43 GMT, GlennGlenn
< > wrote:
Am I just an accident? No. Though I don't know if my arrival was
plannned, my folks raised me deliberately, with love and hopes for me
and the society in which we live.
Does that answer your questions?
No it doesn't.
This is a useless exerceise, because no answer I give would satisfy you
for the simple reason that I won't accept your god-premise.
Are you are aren't you just an accident? Can you answer. Do you dare answer?
I told you. No. My parents raised me deliberately, though my arrival
may not have been planned.
I really don't care one way or another. Why does it matter to you?
Your folks just mixed the ingredients preallocated 50% in your mom
and dad and thru complimentary shaped organs.
They did a hell of a lot more than *that*. They nurtured me while I
was gestating, and they fed, clothed and educated me when I left the
womb. The end result: Me.
Sure they did. But they had you to nurture because of divine
intervention making you possible.
Got evidence for that divine intervention? We can observe the biology
in action. The rest is mere supposition.
Is the arrangement divine planning? And don't say know, because you don't
know that.
Do you? Why bring in the question of "divine planning"? Such
ruminations are basically useless unless one can identify the specific
nature of the divine planner... and given the uncountabe "candidates"
and equal lack of independent evidence for any of them, I shall stand
by the following answer: MOST LIKELY NOT.
So you think you are an accident then?
Does it matter? What would it mean if I were? Not a damn thing to me,
that's for sure.
So what is your point, Earl?
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Nov 2004 05:41:16 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:33:40 GMT, GlennGlenn <dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
Are you are aren't you just an accident? Can you answer. Do you dare answer?
I told you. No. My parents raised me deliberately, though my arrival
may not have been planned.
But, bubber, you're avoiding the question. Is your conception just an accident or was it
divine intervention. You couldn't be you if God hadn't planted the seed and the sperm.
I really don't care one way or another. Why does it matter to you?
Gotcha.
Sure they did. But they had you to nurture because of divine
intervention making you possible.
Got evidence for that divine intervention? We can observe the biology
in action. The rest is mere supposition.
Biology is God's way. Either your potential was an accident or a divine intervention.
Answer the challenge.
So you think you are an accident then?
Does it matter? What would it mean if I were? Not a damn thing to me,
that's for sure.
It means that God exists, or your potential was just an accident.
So what is your point, Earl?
Don't hide. Gotcha.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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| Title: Re: Duke???...Where are yoooouuu???? |
29 Nov 2004 10:19:37 AM |
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In article <7g2mq0tmnbdcpcdu6la796jlv2b8ddul60@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:33:40 GMT, GlennGlenn
< > wrote:
Are you are aren't you just an accident? Can you answer. Do you dare
answer?
I told you. No. My parents raised me deliberately, though my arrival
may not have been planned.
But, bubber, you're avoiding the question.
No, I'm not giving you an answer that satisfies *you*.
Is your conception just an accident or was it divine intervention.
You couldn't be you if God hadn't planted the seed and the sperm.
You are answering your own question because I won't give yu an answer
that matches *your* presupposition about "God" the seed-and-sperm
farmer.
I really don't care one way or another. Why does it matter to you?
Gotcha.
Non-answer noted.
Sure they did. But they had you to nurture because of divine
intervention making you possible.
Got evidence for that divine intervention? We can observe the biology
in action. The rest is mere supposition.
Biology is God's way.
So you *assume*. I don't share that assumption.
Either your potential was an accident or a divine intervention.
If no consciousness is there to *have* an accident, no accident can
happen.
Answer the challenge.
What challenge? Your alleged *challenge* is a phony "dilemma."
So you think you are an accident then?
Does it matter? What would it mean if I were? Not a damn thing to me,
that's for sure.
It means that God exists, or your potential was just an accident.
Incorrect.
So what is your point, Earl?
Don't hide. Gotcha.
I'm not hiding. Go ahead and declare victory if you want, but you're
being silly. Your "either-or" proposition is hollow. I'm not afraid
of being presumed an "accident," if such is the case. But I don't
believe that's true in the event that no god exists to make my birth
happen.
But if you want to call it that, go ahead. I *really* don't care. In
fact:
I AM AN ACCIDENT! I AM AN ACCIDENT! I AM AN ACCIDENT!
Happy?
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Nov 2004 05:34:01 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:19:37 GMT, GlennGlenn <dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
I told you. No. My parents raised me deliberately, though my arrival
may not have been planned.
But, bubber, you're avoiding the question.
No, I'm not giving you an answer that satisfies *you*.
You're running from the question.
Is your conception just an accident or was it divine intervention.
You couldn't be you if God hadn't planted the seed and the sperm.
You are answering your own question because I won't give yu an answer
that matches *your* presupposition about "God" the seed-and-sperm
farmer.
Take your choice - accident or divine planning. Which is it?
I really don't care one way or another. Why does it matter to you?
Gotcha.
Non-answer noted.
Gotcha.
Biology is God's way.
So you *assume*. I don't share that assumption.
So it's an accident?
Either your potential was an accident or a divine intervention.
If no consciousness is there to *have* an accident, no accident can
happen.
The divine planning comes into play.
Answer the challenge.
What challenge? Your alleged *challenge* is a phony "dilemma."
The glenn dilemma.
I'm not hiding. Go ahead and declare victory if you want, but you're
being silly. Your "either-or" proposition is hollow. I'm not afraid
of being presumed an "accident," if such is the case. But I don't
believe that's true in the event that no god exists to make my birth
happen.
Ok, glenn is satisfied to be an accident. Can I call you that now?
But if you want to call it that, go ahead. I *really* don't care. In
fact:
I AM AN ACCIDENT! I AM AN ACCIDENT! I AM AN ACCIDENT!
Happy?
No, I feel sorry for you.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:29:50 AM |
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In article <pemoq05hniqmvv4vflniblo5stiacgkilq@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:19:37 GMT, GlennGlenn
< > wrote:
I told you. No. My parents raised me deliberately, though my arrival
may not have been planned.
But, bubber, you're avoiding the question.
No, I'm not giving you an answer that satisfies *you*.
You're running from the question.
Clearly not. See below.
Is your conception just an accident or was it divine intervention.
You couldn't be you if God hadn't planted the seed and the sperm.
You are answering your own question because I won't give yu an answer
that matches *your* presupposition about "God" the seed-and-sperm
farmer.
Take your choice - accident or divine planning. Which is it?
Don't you read a whole post before responding? You eventually did get
to the end; why did you preserve this question?
I really don't care one way or another. Why does it matter to you?
Gotcha.
Non-answer noted.
Gotcha.
You got nothin'.
Biology is God's way.
So you *assume*. I don't share that assumption.
So it's an accident?
See below, Earl.
Either your potential was an accident or a divine intervention.
If no consciousness is there to *have* an accident, no accident can
happen.
The divine planning comes into play.
That doesn't make sense. I suggested that an accident is impossible
without a consciousness to *have* an intent. No consciousness, no
divine planning.
Unless the "divine" has no consciousness.
Is that your claim, Earl? Does your "God" have no consciousness?
Answer the challenge.
What challenge? Your alleged *challenge* is a phony "dilemma."
The glenn dilemma.
The Lame-Earl (redundant) Dilemma, is more like it. *I* have no issues
here. I'm fine with what I am.
I'm not hiding. Go ahead and declare victory if you want, but you're
being silly. Your "either-or" proposition is hollow. I'm not afraid
of being presumed an "accident," if such is the case. But I don't
believe that's true in the event that no god exists to make my birth
happen.
Ok, glenn is satisfied to be an accident. Can I call you that now?
You, Earl, can call me whatever you want... for what it's worth. It
will have no effect on me whatsoever.
But if you want to call it that, go ahead. I *really* don't care. In
fact:
I AM AN ACCIDENT! I AM AN ACCIDENT! I AM AN ACCIDENT!
Happy?
No, I feel sorry for you.
Why? Given the constraints you offer, *you* are an accident as well.
EARL IS AN ACCIDENT! EARL IS AN ACCIDENT! EARL IS AN ACCIDENT (that
calls himself "duke" for some reason)!
And at least I'm perfectly happy about it. *You* are the one with the
issues, Earl.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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27 Nov 2004 07:53:25 AM |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:58:20 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
<snip concluding remarks>
The message of love is hard to ignore.
(the point of the rest of you post)
Love is the sweetest thing
What else on earth could ever bring
Such happiness to ev'rything
As Love's old story.
Love is the strangest thing
No song of birds upon the wing
Shall in our hearts more sweetly sing
Than Love's old story.
Whatever heart may desire
Whatever fate may send
This is the tale that never will tire.
This is the song without end.
Love is the greatest thing
The oldest yet, the latest thing
I only hope that fate may bring
Love's story to you.
Ray Noble from "Say It With Music"
and no better sung than by Al Bowlly (I am listening just now.)
Do a search on the internet with the title as an exact phrase and you
can listen too :-) One of my favourite songs of all time :-)
and nothing whatsover ever to do with a god
it existed long before Jesus made his commandment
and it will exist long after concepts of gods are
forgotten. It is not even an exclusive human thing
on this earth as animals also show love.
It comes from (I think) from owledge of oneself and of others
and in its crudest sense comes from the compelling
desire to pass on ones genes. First family then species
all the way up to life itself. We care for ourselves and
care for all life as it is all a part of this wonderful thing
called life that we cannot explain. (except Scottish midges,
have no love for them whatsover) Well, at least some of
us do.
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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27 Nov 2004 11:53:34 AM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>
and nothing whatsover ever to do with a god
it existed long before Jesus made his commandment
Jesus made no commandment.
Any number of religions have "do unto others" as their main theme and it was
common at the time the alleged person was said to live.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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27 Nov 2004 12:25:37 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:53:34 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>
and nothing whatsover ever to do with a god
it existed long before Jesus made his commandment
Jesus made no commandment.
Any number of religions have "do unto others" as their main theme and it was
common at the time the alleged person was said to live.
I said it was claimed by John that he made the commandment (at
some point in the discussion). It is not necessary to qualify
everything that we say every time.
Anybody can make a commandment. Bush just commanded North Korea
o get rid of its' new cler wepuns'. Seems he now thinks he has the
right to order sovereign nations what to do.
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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27 Nov 2004 03:01:20 PM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:53:34 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>
and nothing whatsover ever to do with a god
it existed long before Jesus made his commandment
Jesus made no commandment.
Any number of religions have "do unto others" as their main theme
and it was common at the time the alleged person was said to live.
I said it was claimed by John that he made the commandment (at
some point in the discussion). It is not necessary to qualify
everything that we say every time.
If I say 2 + 2 = 6 I would expect everyone to correct it the first time they
saw it.
In the post I read, you claimed that Jesus made the commandment.
There is no evidence he did and much evidence that he did not.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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28 Nov 2004 07:03:01 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:01:20 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:53:34 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>
and nothing whatsover ever to do with a god
it existed long before Jesus made his commandment
Jesus made no commandment.
Any number of religions have "do unto others" as their main theme
and it was common at the time the alleged person was said to live.
I said it was claimed by John that he made the commandment (at
some point in the discussion). It is not necessary to qualify
everything that we say every time.
If I say 2 + 2 = 6 I would expect everyone to correct it the first time they
saw it.
In the post I read, you claimed that Jesus made the commandment.
There is no evidence he did and much evidence that he did not.
On the 22 Nov in this thread I wrote:
"John states Jesus told him that, which, for sake of argument
I will not dispute. "
If you had been following the thread properly you would have known it
was a conversation between Duke and I and would have known
I had said that. If not then you should not jump in half-way through
and speak from ignorance.
I am sorry but I am not going to qualify everything I say every time
I sayit when I am in conversation wiith somebody else and have
already stated as above, it would make my post even more
overlong and tedious that it probably is already.
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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27 Nov 2004 01:08:31 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:25:37 +0000, Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
I said it was claimed by John that he made the commandment (at
some point in the discussion). It is not necessary to qualify
everything that we say every time.
Painter only knows how to play his little games.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Teresita" |
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27 Nov 2004 01:32:27 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:53:34 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>
and nothing whatsover ever to do with a god
it existed long before Jesus made his commandment
Jesus made no commandment.
Any number of religions have "do unto others" as their main theme and it was
common at the time the alleged person was said to live.
What was different was that Jesus removed the "tit-for-tat" part of
the Golden Rule and commanded unconditional love.
John 15:[12] This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I
have loved you.
--
Teresita aka Ruby Redinger
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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27 Nov 2004 05:49:17 PM |
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Teresita wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:53:34 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>
and nothing whatsover ever to do with a god
it existed long before Jesus made his commandment
Jesus made no commandment.
Any number of religions have "do unto others" as their main theme
and it was common at the time the alleged person was said to live.
What was different was that Jesus removed the "tit-for-tat" part of
the Golden Rule and commanded unconditional love.
John 15:[12] This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I
have loved you.
If I unconditionally love somebody I do not ask for anything in return.
Jesus demands that you accept him or go to hell.
I don't need *ANY* kind of love to do what I can to relieve suffering.
Your gods don't do anything.
"Loving" my fellow man as Jesus allegedly does would require me to act the
way many men do and beat the women they "love" because they don't return the
love in the manner the man sees fit.
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| User: "Teresita" |
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27 Nov 2004 07:14:50 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:49:17 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Teresita wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:53:34 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>
and nothing whatsover ever to do with a god
it existed long before Jesus made his commandment
Jesus made no commandment.
Any number of religions have "do unto others" as their main theme
and it was common at the time the alleged person was said to live.
What was different was that Jesus removed the "tit-for-tat" part of
the Golden Rule and commanded unconditional love.
John 15:[12] This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I
have loved you.
If I unconditionally love somebody I do not ask for anything in return.
Jesus demands that you accept him or go to hell.
Hell is not a place you "go" to for failing to meet some requirement,
hell is simply the state of a soul in the afterlife that does not
love.
--
Teresita aka Ruby Redinger
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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27 Nov 2004 07:57:44 PM |
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In article <lg9iq09djeqsr1karbrnismebe5e7u2j9t@4ax.com>, Teresita
<teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
Hell is not a place you "go" to for failing to meet some requirement,
hell is simply the state of a soul in the afterlife that does not
love.
1. Where does this idea come from?
2. Under what circumstances does a "soul" enter the state of "hell"?
3. What is a "soul"?
4. Where did the idea of a "soul" come from?
5. Do bunnies have "souls"?
6. Do slugs have "souls"?
7. My kitty will die before I do. Will my "soul" meet his in "heaven"?
8. What is "heaven"?
9. Who told you?
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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| User: "Teresita" |
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27 Nov 2004 08:14:32 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:57:44 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
In article <lg9iq09djeqsr1karbrnismebe5e7u2j9t@4ax.com>, Teresita
<teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
Hell is not a place you "go" to for failing to meet some requirement,
hell is simply the state of a soul in the afterlife that does not
love.
1. Where does this idea come from?
It comes from reflection on the nature of eternity, which doesn't have
"space" to allow differences in position, or "time" to separate
events.
2. Under what circumstances does a "soul" enter the state of "hell"?
A soul enters the state of hell when it is not in a state of
sanctifying grace. This can occur during the time when the soul is
bound to a body on Earth.
3. What is a "soul"?
A soul is that which has a body.
4. Where did the idea of a "soul" come from?
Gen.2:[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul.
5. Do bunnies have "souls"?
Qoh.3:[21] Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the
spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
6. Do slugs have "souls"?
Slugs are useful creatures. They assist in the recycling of fallen
trees into soil. It is not known what reward God has prepared for
slugs for doing their job well.
--
Teresita aka Ruby Redinger
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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27 Nov 2004 09:17:43 PM |
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In article <ohciq0tenrqn3r3vvptgmdsjkk7q7v243k@4ax.com>, Teresita
<teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:57:44 GMT, GlennGlenn
< > wrote:
In article <lg9iq09djeqsr1karbrnismebe5e7u2j9t@4ax.com>, Teresita
<teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
Hell is not a place you "go" to for failing to meet some requirement,
hell is simply the state of a soul in the afterlife that does not
love.
1. Where does this idea come from?
It comes from reflection on the nature of eternity, which doesn't have
"space" to allow differences in position, or "time" to separate
events.
Then it comes from supposition. Thank you.
2. Under what circumstances does a "soul" enter the state of "hell"?
A soul enters the state of hell when it is not in a state of
sanctifying grace. This can occur during the time when the soul is
bound to a body on Earth.
Circular, gobledygook response.
3. What is a "soul"?
A soul is that which has a body.
Nonresponsive response.
4. Where did the idea of a "soul" come from?
Gen.2:[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul.
So it came from a book. Thank you.
5. Do bunnies have "souls"?
Qoh.3:[21] Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the
spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
So "spirit" = "soul." Bunnies have souls.
6. Do slugs have "souls"?
Slugs are useful creatures. They assist in the recycling of fallen
trees into soil. It is not known what reward God has prepared for
slugs for doing their job well.
So slugs have "souls."
According to this book.
Fine. Except it's all crap if the book is not true.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
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28 Nov 2004 12:12:52 AM |
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GlennGlenn wrote:
3. What is a "soul"?
A soul is that which has a body.
Nonresponsive response.
True but interesting.
It implies all bodies have souls.
I wonder what constitutes a body.
Did Tommy have a soul? ("When Tommy got his gun" a WWI story about a man
with no arms, legs, eyes or the ability to speak.)
I wonder about dead bodies.
I wonder what happens when the body goes away?
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28 Nov 2004 10:24:21 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, Teresita <teresita@dataway.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:57:44 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
3. What is a "soul"?
A soul is that which has a body.
Reminds me of Star Trek the Motion Picture when Persis
Khambatta is abducted and returned as a probe and they
ask it questions:
Kirk Why does Vega come here?
Persis: To find the creator
K What is the creator?
P The creator is that which created Vega
K What is Vega?
P Vega is that which seeks the creator.
Pure artificial intelligence.
I think we are being had!
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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28 Nov 2004 11:10:34 AM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, Teresita <teresita@dataway.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:57:44 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
3. What is a "soul"?
A soul is that which has a body.
Reminds me of Star Trek the Motion Picture when Persis
Khambatta is abducted and returned as a probe and they
ask it questions:
Kirk Why does Vega come here?
Persis: To find the creator
K What is the creator?
P The creator is that which created Vega
K What is Vega?
P Vega is that which seeks the creator.
Pure artificial intelligence.
I think we are being had!
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
It's not Vega, it's VGER, because the OYA got rubbed of VOYAGER,
knucklehead.
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28 Nov 2004 01:30:57 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:10:34 GMT, X <X@nospam.com> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, Teresita <teresita@dataway.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:57:44 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
3. What is a "soul"?
A soul is that which has a body.
Reminds me of Star Trek the Motion Picture when Persis
Khambatta is abducted and returned as a probe and they
ask it questions:
Kirk Why does Vega come here?
Persis: To find the creator
K What is the creator?
P The creator is that which created Vega
K What is Vega?
P Vega is that which seeks the creator.
Pure artificial intelligence.
I think we are being had!
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
It's not Vega, it's VGER, because the OYA got rubbed of VOYAGER,
knucklehead.
On the same error correcting theme, it wasn't Persis who was adducted
either but the character 'Ilia' that she plays.
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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28 Nov 2004 08:50:06 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, Teresita <teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:57:44 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
In article <lg9iq09djeqsr1karbrnismebe5e7u2j9t@4ax.com>, Teresita
<teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
Hell is not a place you "go" to for failing to meet some requirement,
hell is simply the state of a soul in the afterlife that does not
love.
1. Where does this idea come from?
It comes from reflection on the nature of eternity, which doesn't have
"space" to allow differences in position, or "time" to separate
events.
2. Under what circumstances does a "soul" enter the state of "hell"?
A soul enters the state of hell when it is not in a state of
sanctifying grace. This can occur during the time when the soul is
bound to a body on Earth.
3. What is a "soul"?
A soul is that which has a body.
4. Where did the idea of a "soul" come from?
Gen.2:[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul.
5. Do bunnies have "souls"?
Qoh.3:[21] Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the
spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
6. Do slugs have "souls"?
Slugs are useful creatures. They assist in the recycling of fallen
trees into soil. It is not known what reward God has prepared for
slugs for doing their job well.
I like your answers. Well done.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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28 Nov 2004 02:02:01 PM |
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In article <mbpjq094d0gd8938ecfumbr8l2usup7l5o@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, Teresita <teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:57:44 GMT, GlennGlenn
< > wrote:
In article <lg9iq09djeqsr1karbrnismebe5e7u2j9t@4ax.com>, Teresita
<teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
Hell is not a place you "go" to for failing to meet some requirement,
hell is simply the state of a soul in the afterlife that does not
love.
1. Where does this idea come from?
It comes from reflection on the nature of eternity, which doesn't have
"space" to allow differences in position, or "time" to separate
events.
2. Under what circumstances does a "soul" enter the state of "hell"?
A soul enters the state of hell when it is not in a state of
sanctifying grace. This can occur during the time when the soul is
bound to a body on Earth.
3. What is a "soul"?
A soul is that which has a body.
4. Where did the idea of a "soul" come from?
Gen.2:[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
soul.
5. Do bunnies have "souls"?
Qoh.3:[21] Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the
spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
6. Do slugs have "souls"?
Slugs are useful creatures. They assist in the recycling of fallen
trees into soil. It is not known what reward God has prepared for
slugs for doing their job well.
I like your answers. Well done.
You would. You clearly favor empty-headed bleating as much as Teresita
does.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Nov 2004 05:38:23 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:02:01 GMT, GlennGlenn <dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
I like your answers. Well done.
You would. You clearly favor empty-headed bleating as much as Teresita
does.
No, when I want empty-headed bleating, I look to you junior atheists.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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28 Nov 2004 06:41:04 PM |
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In article <aaokq0hklabedmfn10oj32igket52ksgcs@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:02:01 GMT, GlennGlenn
< > wrote:
I like your answers. Well done.
You would. You clearly favor empty-headed bleating as much as Teresita
does.
No, when I want empty-headed bleating, I look to you junior atheists.
Ooooh, *good* one, Earl. Way to revise the classic "I'm rubber, you're
glue" attack.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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27 Nov 2004 09:03:44 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:14:32 -0800, Teresita <teresita@dataway.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 01:57:44 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote:
1. Where does this idea come from?
It comes from reflection on the nature of eternity,
Demonstrate that "eternity" is anything more than idle mental masturbation.
which doesn't have
"space" to allow differences in position, or "time" to separate
events.
2. Under what circumstances does a "soul" enter the state of "hell"?
A soul enters the state of hell
***** hell, demonstrate that "a soul" is anything more than a product of idle
mental masturbation.
--
/Apostate
atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
For e-mail, hold that tiger!
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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28 Nov 2004 12:07:06 AM |
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Teresita wrote:
If I unconditionally love somebody I do not ask for anything in
return. Jesus demands that you accept him or go to hell.
Hell is not a place you "go" to for failing to meet some requirement,
hell is simply the state of a soul in the afterlife that does not
love.
That's close to what the RCC teaches today but not quite on point.
It was a place of brimfire and eternal horrible suffering when I was a kid
and you *would* go to hell if you ate meat on Friday or touched the host
with anything but your mouth (and then died).
The RCC will never admit it but it changes to keep up with the times.
If the next pope is a moderate or a liberal there is a very good chance they
will allow birth control in the family.
If not they will continue to loose ground throughout the world.
In any event I'll take my caring over that gods idea of love.
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Nov 2004 08:47:25 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:49:17 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John 15:[12] This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I
have loved you.
If I unconditionally love somebody I do not ask for anything in return.
Jesus demands that you accept him or go to hell.
Nope. You don't understand.
I don't need *ANY* kind of love to do what I can to relieve suffering.
Your gods don't do anything.
Sure He did. You're responding positively to God's love by working to relieve suffering
in others.
You just don't want to give God credit for it. You want to credit yourself for it
instead..
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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28 Nov 2004 01:10:55 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:49:17 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John 15:[12] This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I
have loved you.
If I unconditionally love somebody I do not ask for anything in
return. Jesus demands that you accept him or go to hell.
Nope. You don't understand.
I don't need *ANY* kind of love to do what I can to relieve
suffering. Your gods don't do anything.
Sure He did. You're responding positively to God's love by working
to relieve suffering in others.
You just don't want to give God credit for it. You want to credit
yourself for it instead..
Actually Earl you are responding to Loki and doing his work. You just think
you are doing the work of some god.
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