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Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=7521
American Chronicle - Beverly Hills,CA,USA
It is common knowledge the Republican Party is in trouble. They may lose
their majority in either one or both of the houses of Congress and the
Republican President is stumbling badly. And what has been the overriding
movement within the Republican Party that has brought forth such a
calamity? In a word, "Conservatism." Just as the ?philosophy? of Liberalism
killed the Democrats, now the equally false alternative of Conservatism has
the Republican Party gasping for breath and hoping to find a scrap of
plausibility to cling to before they go under. Both parties made a bad
mistake by attaching a label to their beliefs instead of formulating a
workable platform they could articulate and promote. They each vaguely
attempted to attach themselves to values they knew were important to their
constituency as they undermined their message with promises that could
never be kept.
The Liberal Democrats soon found that their tax and spend philosophy was
impractical and unacceptable to the voters. Bill Clinton announced ?the end
of big government? and proposed program without end at every speech he
made. The traditional message of smaller government by the Republicans
disappeared with a ?compassionate conservative? dropping food behind enemy
lines, running up deficit after deficit. expanding the government with a
costly prescription drug coverage plan, conducting a Truman like Korean war
with no end in sight and for answers relies on a stubbornness that
dismisses any approach that might actually work. An undefined label leaves
a lot of flexibility for wandering and that is why we have liberal
conservatives all over the place. No one knows what is a true conservative
or liberal but they both throw stones if there is any slip in stature they
can attack.
The Conservative movement was designed to plead to the religious with an
addendum to the platform that included traditional limited government
spending. And as a result the first thing we saw was a faith based fund
from government challenging the very principle of the need for separation
of church and state. The tax cut was a visible delusion after you look at
the debt that ensued from the spending. If you owe the government more than
you ever did ,a refund of current payments does not translate into an
increase in net worth. And say what you will, if our country is going
broke, so are the citizens.
Conservatism in reality died with Barry Goldwater. He latched onto the
label as an alternative to the burgeoning spending of the Liberals. But as
the Republicans found out, they couldn?t win without a spending program.
They simply lied in their campaigns what they really stood for in the hopes
that once they got into power things would be different. The frantic grab
for political power at the expense of principle lead by none other than
talk show host Rush Limbaugh exposed the approach to be nothing other than
the implementation of liberal spending policies under a conservative label.
Those listening to Rush prior to the 2000 election will remember his
encouragement of this approach to get the Conservatives into power by out
democratizing the Democrats. As the results show, it was a poor approach
and gave us power hungry Republicans without principle to stand on.
Republicans have always been vulnerable to the accusations of Democrats
that they were mean spirited and stingy so they showed them. They showed
them they could be just as fiscally irresponsible as any Democrat. What a
display of character.
For those still hanging their star on political conservatism, it is time to
take a hard look at the results and the antics that have brought about a
stampede of disarray. Playing the political game of trying to get the
government to violate individual rights in the name of some other cause and
a perceived short term benefit is a ploy of both the liberals and the
conservatives. Either spokesperson will only lead us into tyranny and/or
bankruptcy or both. So what is the way to reverse this scramble for more
power to do more damage. If too much power is the problem, then less power
is the solution.
It?s time to forget the labels of Liberal and Conservative and recognize
that both of these movements have lead to the same approach and achieved
the same unsatisfactory results. It is time to identify and promote a much
more fundamental way of describing one?s political philosophy. The central
issue is individualism versus the anti-individualists who want the
government to take away individual rights, redistribute wealth to gain
political favoritism and control via decree. The individualist party would
first of all stand on principle, the primary principle being the individual
rights of man summed up in the Declaration of Independence as the right to
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These rights would be
explicitly framed and clearly defined. They would be the bedrock of a
constitution that would rest solely on reason and not be amendable from its
founding principe of individualism. This constitution would outline the
actions and limitations of the government. It would exclude the government
from the world of production and trade leaving it in the limited role of an
agent of restricting and preventing the initiation of force against
individual citizens. It would be restricted to the extent it could not
indulge in behavior it was created to prevent and retaliate against. It
would truly be a limited government.
See
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=7389
for the reasons behind the need for a limited government.
Clinging to the old is an attribute of conservatism and being open to the
new is an attribute of liberalism. You can see from these characteristics
that originally defined these stances how far the drift has been. The old
was the separation of church and state the country was founded on and the
rejection of that by the conservatives shows they were not interested in
that if it would not get them political power. The progress of the liberals
was a rehash of the failed socialistic ?experiment? of Soviet Russia which
was not a new idea at all. Both of these labels are bankrupt as all false
ideals must eventually be.. The Republicans can revive their party by
clamping onto what?s left of their original mandate of limited government.
The Democrats can revive their party by innovating a solution that leads to
a recognition of individual rights. But with the present crop of
politicians we have only the power seekers to turn to for what promises to
be nothing more than the attempt to make the same old bromides work for one
more election. And the American Public can react as they do to all things
boring and turn apathetic. For if there is no choice, there is no reason
for enthusiasm and/or participation. And then the real thugs will come out
from their rocks and promise anything with results that would be
unthinkable today. For just as nature abhors a vacuum so too does a nation
drift into chaos without a firm well defined destination. That destination
will only be a road to achievement and opportunity if it is not blocked by
the vermin would seek dominion over men.
A politic that protects man to live and produce can sustain itself. A
politic that destroys that component upon which civilization depends is
doomed to the fate of oblivion. This is why liberalism has faded to a hard
left minority and why Conservatism has shown that it was but an illusion.
It must be dumped by the Republicans if they are to relive the political
prominence they are on the verge of losing. It is the core of their
difficulties and like the Democrats they are crying ,? Anything but that?.
Can politicians learn? There is not much evidence they can. The life they
have chosen was no doubt chosen for an opportunity to do good. The good
they chose to do and the results, should demonstrate the good does not come
from political power designed and implemented to destroy individual
freedom. Taking and giving whether by a Liberal of a Conservative is an
evil that must be recognized and remedied. And that requires a rethinking
on a major scale. For those who will wail , ?We never saw it coming? the
excuse must fall on their own blindness. So as the Republicans wonder why
they too are susceptible to political failure let them look on what brought
them to prominence and the flaws it contained. Compassion in war and
conservatism for progress are not winning strategies in either field of
endeavor. For the Republicans to emerge again, Conservatism must go.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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02 Apr 2006 04:50:38 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:56:04 -0400, wrote:
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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02 Apr 2006 06:01:06 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:50:38 -0500, duke wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:56:04 -0400, wrote:
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI
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So how come the conservatives haven't eliminated SS, Medicare, Medicaid,
and OSHA, and implemented SDI yet? Also, there was Prez Bush's
"faith-based initiatives"; how far has that gotten?
[Followups to alt.atheism, mostly because I subscribe here.]
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#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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02 Apr 2006 07:05:55 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:01:06 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill3@earthlink.net> wrote:
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
So how come the conservatives haven't eliminated SS, Medicare, Medicaid,
and OSHA, and implemented SDI yet?
These are needs for Americans that we believe in.
Also, there was Prez Bush's
"faith-based initiatives"; how far has that gotten?
New initiatives are hard to come by when the 'rat party is stuck on
"obstructionism".
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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02 Apr 2006 10:58:38 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:05:55 -0500, duke wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:01:06 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
< > wrote:
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
So how come the conservatives haven't eliminated SS, Medicare, Medicaid,
and OSHA, and implemented SDI yet?
These are needs for Americans that we believe in.
Really.
How stupid do you think we are? SS was implemented by a highly liberal
administration (namely, FDR) and has mutated almost beyond recognition (it
was initially Supplemental Social Security). Medicare and Medicaid are
probably similar. OSHA was an outgrowth, presumably, of the same
administration. Are these needs? Why?
(Personally, I'd be sad to see them go. But that doesn't make them needs.)
And SDI was that wonderful invention of Ronald Reagan (or one of his
cohorts), which still isn't working despite the military's best efforts.
Also, there was Prez Bush's
"faith-based initiatives"; how far has that gotten?
New initiatives are hard to come by when the 'rat party is stuck on
"obstructionism".
Oh, yes, you're right. Well, in that case how come we haven't thrown the
bums out and gotten a supermajority in both Houses? After all, this
country must be conservative, since the liberals are totally ruining it.
Or at least, such is my reading of your position. (I could be wrong.)
The good news for Republicans: most people still like their particular Rep
or Senators.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI
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It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Apr 2006 05:51:34 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:58:38 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill3@earthlink.net> wrote:
These are needs for Americans that we believe in.
Really.
How stupid do you think we are? SS was implemented by a highly liberal
administration (namely, FDR) and has mutated almost beyond recognition (it
was initially Supplemental Social Security). Medicare and Medicaid are
probably similar. OSHA was an outgrowth, presumably, of the same
administration. Are these needs? Why?
All that tells me is how stupid you are. We Republicans recognize the necessity
of medicare, SS, Medicaid, and OSHA of course. You're been listening to the
liberal left wing rag so much that you don't even understand that we Republicans
are definitely for these programs - necessary for the well being of the senior
citizen and the workplace.
(Personally, I'd be sad to see them go. But that doesn't make them needs.)
And SDI was that wonderful invention of Ronald Reagan (or one of his
cohorts), which still isn't working despite the military's best efforts.
SDI was a brilliant move on President Regan's part. He drove the USSR into
bankruptcy if they tried to follow suit. And the cold war died on the spot.
Also, there was Prez Bush's
"faith-based initiatives"; how far has that gotten?
New initiatives are hard to come by when the 'rat party is stuck on
"obstructionism".
Oh, yes, you're right. Well, in that case how come we haven't thrown the
bums out and gotten a supermajority in both Houses?
If they keep up the obstructionism as it's been for the last 6 years, it'll be
the Republicans vs the Libertarians.
After all, this
country must be conservative, since the liberals are totally ruining it.
The 'rats are so weak on the country needs they won't even take a position on
the emigration issue with Mexico right now.
The good news for Republicans: most people still like their particular Rep
or Senators.
Americans suffer if any one party takes solid control for too long. It must be
give and take.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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02 Apr 2006 09:56:37 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, The Ghost In The Machine in episode
<pan.2006.04.02.22.50.04.170010@earthlink.net>...
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:50:38 -0500, duke wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:56:04 -0400, wrote:
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
So how come the conservatives haven't eliminated SS, Medicare, Medicaid,
and OSHA, and implemented SDI yet? Also, there was Prez Bush's
"faith-based initiatives"; how far has that gotten?
Because they were too busy implementing the Democratic proposals on
education and homeland security and pushing through the biggest expansion
of the federal welfare system since LBJ?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
I just love this one...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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04 Apr 2006 04:52:31 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:56:04 -0400, wrote:
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Yes, Conservatism is why you beat us Liberals. That's why you hate
everything that does not revolve around your money or your Bible.
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics. Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Conservatism is why we don't even go after the guy the perpetrated the
job and then invade the country that didn't. Conservatism is why we
spend billions of dollars impeaching a president for a *****.
Conservatism is like a sinking ship... Every man for himself.
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| User: "duke" |
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04 Apr 2006 05:49:35 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:52:31 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
Yes, Conservatism is why you beat us Liberals. That's why you hate
everything that does not revolve around your money or your Bible.
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various left
wing fringe element groups.
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached) leave us
cold.
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
Conservatism is why we don't even go after the guy the perpetrated the
job and then invade the country that didn't.
We invaded Iraq because of the presence of alqueda there, in accordance with in
place Ununited Nations resolutions, and to stop saddam from using his wmd's
which were previously moved to Syria by the Russians.
Conservatism is why we
spend billions of dollars impeaching a president for a *****.
Nope, he was impeached for lying as President to the American public.
Conservatism is like a sinking ship... Every man for himself.
We will always be favored over liberals. Liberals hold their hand out and say
"give me something, mister", and we Republicans are the ones that say "go get a
job".
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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06 Apr 2006 11:27:42 PM |
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On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:49:35 -0500, duke wrote
(in article <8kt5321oh1f8n7sustk4cnuvru6eb7p9j5@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:52:31 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
Yes, Conservatism is why you beat us Liberals. That's why you hate
everything that does not revolve around your money or your Bible.
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the
minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various left
wing fringe element groups.
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached) leave
us
cold.
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
Conservatism is why we don't even go after the guy the perpetrated the
job and then invade the country that didn't.
We invaded Iraq because of the presence of alqueda there, in accordance with
in
place Ununited Nations resolutions, and to stop saddam from using his wmd's
which were previously moved to Syria by the Russians.
Conservatism is why we
spend billions of dollars impeaching a president for a *****.
Nope, he was impeached for lying as President to the American public.
An excellent precedent.
Although treason adds a bit of spice to it this go-around.
The Holey Trinity of alleged conservatism:
President George W C Bush43
Vice-President Richard "Other Priorities" Cheney
Representative Tom DeLay
Conservatism is like a sinking ship... Every man for himself.
We will always be favored over liberals. Liberals hold their hand out and
say
"give me something, mister", and we Republicans are the ones that say "go get
a
job".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
Gray Shockley
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The Inquisition is the most
perfect form of Christianity.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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05 Apr 2006 12:23:02 PM |
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On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:49:35 -0500, duke wrote
(in article <8kt5321oh1f8n7sustk4cnuvru6eb7p9j5@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:52:31 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
Yes, Conservatism is why you beat us Liberals. That's why you hate
everything that does not revolve around your money or your Bible.
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the
minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various left
wing fringe element groups.
You mean Gypsies?
++ gray
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached) leave
us
cold.
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
Conservatism is why we don't even go after the guy the perpetrated the
job and then invade the country that didn't.
We invaded Iraq because of the presence of alqueda there, in accordance with
in
place Ununited Nations resolutions, and to stop saddam from using his wmd's
which were previously moved to Syria by the Russians.
Conservatism is why we
spend billions of dollars impeaching a president for a *****.
Nope, he was impeached for lying as President to the American public.
Conservatism is like a sinking ship... Every man for himself.
We will always be favored over liberals. Liberals hold their hand out and
say
"give me something, mister", and we Republicans are the ones that say "go get
a
job".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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05 Apr 2006 11:01:51 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:52:31 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party
Conservatism is the reason we beat you liberal 'rats.
Yes, Conservatism is why you beat us Liberals. That's why you hate
everything that does not revolve around your money or your Bible.
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various left
wing fringe element groups.
No hate there. Thanks for making my point.
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached) leave us
cold.
Tom DeLay, Jack Abermoff, Scanlon, Ney, Libby and Cunningham resigned or
fired and are all going to see jail time. Noe, Lott, Frist, Kerik are
just ethically challenged. But they're all really good Christians.
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
9/11 was worst National Security failure in US history and nobody lost
their job over it or even held accountable?
Conservatism is why we don't even go after the guy the perpetrated the
job and then invade the country that didn't.
We invaded Iraq because of the presence of alqueda there, in accordance with in
place Ununited Nations resolutions, and to stop saddam from using his wmd's
which were previously moved to Syria by the Russians.
Where was alqueda in Iraq? I thought they were in Afghanistan. What UN
resolution gave us the authority to invade another country? What WMDs?
Oh, the Russians did it. How come we use Syria to do our torture for
us then?
Conservatism is why we
spend billions of dollars impeaching a president for a *****.
Nope, he was impeached for lying as President to the American public.
What WMDs? "Our #1 goal is to catch Osama Bin Laden" What uranium from
Niger? If Clinton lied about a ***** and Bush lied to get us into a
war, which is worse? In your case it would be a ***** because your
farm animals can't do it?
Conservatism is like a sinking ship... Every man for himself.
We will always be favored over liberals. Liberals hold their hand out and say
"give me something, mister", and we Republicans are the ones that say "go get a
job".
Because you can't say anything else.
Go get one of those high paying service sector jobs that are full of
illegal immigrants because the Conservative-Corporate loving Republicans
love their money over all other things, including their Bibles, and
can't protect American workers.
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Apr 2006 05:22:22 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:01:51 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various left
wing fringe element groups.
No hate there. Thanks for making my point.
Yep - your point is that your side is the one with it's hand out crying "give
me, give me, give me".
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached) leave us
cold.
Tom DeLay, Jack Abermoff, Scanlon, Ney, Libby and Cunningham resigned or
fired and are all going to see jail time. Noe, Lott, Frist, Kerik are
just ethically challenged. But they're all really good Christians.
Killer "who was driving" kennedy, impeached 'rat willie, racist asharpton, "hit
a guard" what's her face, rostenkowski. Your boys & girls are not lilly white
(pardon the pun).
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
9/11 was worst National Security failure in US history and nobody lost
their job over it or even held accountable?
Sure we do - we hold 'rat clinton accountable.
Conservatism is why we don't even go after the guy the perpetrated the
job and then invade the country that didn't.
We invaded Iraq because of the presence of alqueda there, in accordance with in
place Ununited Nations resolutions, and to stop saddam from using his wmd's
which were previously moved to Syria by the Russians.
Where was alqueda in Iraq? I thought they were in Afghanistan.
That's what YOU thought. They were training in Iraq.
What UN
resolution gave us the authority to invade another country?
The ones the Ununited Nations approved for 1991.
What WMDs?
The ones saddam used on his people in the 80's which he subsequently replenished
and the Russians moved into Syria before the 2nd war.
Oh, the Russians did it. How come we use Syria to do our torture for
us then?
Wow, you're a wacko aren't you.
Conservatism is why we
spend billions of dollars impeaching a president for a *****.
Nope, he was impeached for lying as President to the American public.
What WMDs? "Our #1 goal is to catch Osama Bin Laden" What uranium from
Niger? If Clinton lied about a ***** and Bush lied to get us into a
war, which is worse? In your case it would be a ***** because your
farm animals can't do it?
Sorry, bubba. You're behind the curve.
Conservatism is like a sinking ship... Every man for himself.
We will always be favored over liberals. Liberals hold their hand out and say
"give me something, mister", and we Republicans are the ones that say "go get a
job".
Because you can't say anything else.
Nope.
Go get one of those high paying service sector jobs that are full of
illegal immigrants because the Conservative-Corporate loving Republicans
love their money over all other things, including their Bibles, and
can't protect American workers.
Sometimes American workers will just have to learn to protect themselves.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
06 Apr 2006 10:14:24 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:69q932h5pksjbhsd1pi247bb9h0u52bhmt@4ax.com...
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:01:51 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the
minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various
left
wing fringe element groups.
No hate there. Thanks for making my point.
Yep - your point is that your side is the one with it's hand out crying
"give
me, give me, give me".
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached)
leave us
cold.
Tom DeLay, Jack Abermoff, Scanlon, Ney, Libby and Cunningham resigned or
fired and are all going to see jail time. Noe, Lott, Frist, Kerik are
just ethically challenged. But they're all really good Christians.
Killer "who was driving" kennedy, impeached 'rat willie, racist asharpton,
"hit
a guard" what's her face, rostenkowski. Your boys & girls are not lilly
white
(pardon the pun).
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
9/11 was worst National Security failure in US history and nobody lost
their job over it or even held accountable?
Sure we do - we hold 'rat clinton accountable.
lol Of course you do, of course you do. (pat pat)
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| User: "duke" |
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07 Apr 2006 07:54:05 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:14:24 -0500, "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@NOSPUMMYitg.uiuc.edu>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:69q932h5pksjbhsd1pi247bb9h0u52bhmt@4ax.com...
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:01:51 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the
minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various
left
wing fringe element groups.
No hate there. Thanks for making my point.
Yep - your point is that your side is the one with it's hand out crying
"give
me, give me, give me".
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached)
leave us
cold.
Tom DeLay, Jack Abermoff, Scanlon, Ney, Libby and Cunningham resigned or
fired and are all going to see jail time. Noe, Lott, Frist, Kerik are
just ethically challenged. But they're all really good Christians.
Killer "who was driving" kennedy, impeached 'rat willie, racist asharpton,
"hit
a guard" what's her face, rostenkowski. Your boys & girls are not lilly
white
(pardon the pun).
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
9/11 was worst National Security failure in US history and nobody lost
their job over it or even held accountable?
Sure we do - we hold 'rat clinton accountable.
lol Of course you do, of course you do. (pat pat)
Yep, we really do.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
07 Apr 2006 07:55:12 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:14:24 -0500, "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@NOSPUMMYitg.uiuc.edu>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:69q932h5pksjbhsd1pi247bb9h0u52bhmt@4ax.com...
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:01:51 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the
minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various
left
wing fringe element groups.
No hate there. Thanks for making my point.
Yep - your point is that your side is the one with it's hand out crying
"give
me, give me, give me".
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached)
leave us
cold.
Tom DeLay, Jack Abermoff, Scanlon, Ney, Libby and Cunningham resigned or
fired and are all going to see jail time. Noe, Lott, Frist, Kerik are
just ethically challenged. But they're all really good Christians.
Killer "who was driving" kennedy, impeached 'rat willie, racist asharpton,
"hit
a guard" what's her face, rostenkowski. Your boys & girls are not lilly
white
(pardon the pun).
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
9/11 was worst National Security failure in US history and nobody lost
their job over it or even held accountable?
Sure we do - we hold 'rat clinton accountable.
lol Of course you do, of course you do. (pat pat)
Yep, we really do.
Ummmm... Who was president on September 11, 2001? Who got 50+ warnings
that 9/11 was going to happen? Who was told that al Qaeda was the group
that had to be watched?
I await your spin.
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
06 Apr 2006 12:16:48 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:01:51 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various left
wing fringe element groups.
No hate there. Thanks for making my point.
Yep - your point is that your side is the one with it's hand out crying "give
me, give me, give me".
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached) leave us
cold.
Tom DeLay, Jack Abermoff, Scanlon, Ney, Libby and Cunningham resigned or
fired and are all going to see jail time. Noe, Lott, Frist, Kerik are
just ethically challenged. But they're all really good Christians.
Killer "who was driving" kennedy, impeached 'rat willie, racist asharpton, "hit
a guard" what's her face, rostenkowski. Your boys & girls are not lilly white
(pardon the pun).
I agree. But Republicans are a bunch of pedophiles and sexual deviants.
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Moral_Values
Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
9/11 was worst National Security failure in US history and nobody lost
their job over it or even held accountable?
Sure we do - we hold 'rat clinton accountable.
I didn't know Clinton was still the president on 9/11/2001. How did he
manage that? Based you your logic, G.W.H.Bush was responsible for the
first WTC bombing and Waco, right?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
06 Apr 2006 04:36:17 PM |
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Dave wrote:
I didn't know Clinton was still the president on 9/11/2001. How did he
manage that? Based you your logic, G.W.H.Bush was responsible for the
first WTC bombing and Waco, right?
The "extra-chromosome-Americans" blame Clinton for Ruby Ridge,
so why not?
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
06 Apr 2006 10:19:34 PM |
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:36:17 -0500, wrote
(in article <1144359377.595230.206400@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>):
Dave wrote:
I didn't know Clinton was still the president on 9/11/2001. How did he
manage that? Based you your logic, G.W.H.Bush was responsible for the
first WTC bombing and Waco, right?
The "extra-chromosome-Americans" blame Clinton for Ruby Ridge,
so why not?
And he made the cowards, George W C Bush43
and Richard Cheney, commit treason.
That naughty man.
Gray
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
07 Apr 2006 07:56:03 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:48 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sure we do - we hold 'rat clinton accountable.
I didn't know Clinton was still the president on 9/11/2001. How did he
manage that?
His protection just before. His CIA, his FBI, his NSA, his intelligence (pardon
the pun), his blow jobs.
Based you your logic, G.W.H.Bush was responsible for the
first WTC bombing and Waco, right?
You said that, not me.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
07 Apr 2006 07:57:48 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:48 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sure we do - we hold 'rat clinton accountable.
I didn't know Clinton was still the president on 9/11/2001. How did he
manage that?
His protection just before. His CIA, his FBI, his NSA, his intelligence (pardon
the pun), his blow jobs.
And 50+ warnings to Bush.
Based you your logic, G.W.H.Bush was responsible for the
first WTC bombing and Waco, right?
You said that, not me.
Well, 9/11 happened on Bush 43's watch (8+ months in) but you're blaming
Clinton, so, therefore, the first WTC which happened on Clinton's watch
(3+ weeks in) must, therefore, be Bush 41's fault.
Yes?
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* "Torture has never been a reliable means of *
* extracting information.... One wonders why it *
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Dump Conservatism, Save the Republican Party |
06 Apr 2006 01:41:34 PM |
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:16:48 -0500, Dave wrote
(in article <SKKdnZCAPLyJ0KjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>):
duke wrote:
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:01:51 -0600, Dave <supradave@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, because the voting strength of your 'rat liberal party are the
minorities,
the queers, gay marriage supporters, abortion queens, and other various
left
wing fringe element groups.
No hate there. Thanks for making my point.
Yep - your point is that your side is the one with it's hand out crying
"give
me, give me, give me".
Conservatism is why there is never an investigation in to your
questionable ethics.
Oh, Jim wright (forced to resign) and 'rat willie clinton (impeached)
leave us
cold.
Tom DeLay, Jack Abermoff, Scanlon, Ney, Libby and Cunningham resigned or
fired and are all going to see jail time. Noe, Lott, Frist, Kerik are
just ethically challenged. But they're all really good Christians.
Killer "who was driving" kennedy, impeached 'rat willie, racist asharpton,
"hit
a guard" what's her face, rostenkowski. Your boys & girls are not lilly
white
(pardon the pun).
I agree. But Republicans are a bunch of pedophiles and sexual deviants.
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Moral_Values
As I said yesterday, [dtg: 4/5/06 9:26 PM]
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Ya know, Republicans aren't really having too good a year.
++ gray
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Conservatism is why we had to quell an
investigation into the largest loss of civilians in an act of war.
Wow - what is this about?
9/11 was worst National Security failure in US history and nobody lost
their job over it or even held accountable?
Sure we do - we hold 'rat clinton accountable.
I didn't know Clinton was still the president on 9/11/2001. How did he
manage that? Based you your logic, G.W.H.Bush was responsible for the
first WTC bombing and Waco, right?
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