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"Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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06 Aug 2005 04:25:18 PM |
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Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
BWAHAHA.
So how are the "ladies" at LSU treating you. Oh, that's right, co-ed
don't go aftrer 63-year-old biological failures like you. Hmm, I
wonder if they know of your pre-pubscent girls' nipples fetish?
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1828 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
10 Aug 2005 06:53:37 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:50:39 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
The same ones against stalking by phone or following.
California Penal Code 646.9. Stalking.
(a) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or
harasses another person and who makes a credible threat with the
intent to place that person in reasonable fear for his or her
safety, or the safety of his or her immediate family, is guilty of
the crime of stalking, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail
for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than one
thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment, or
by imprisonment in the state prison.
Note the key issue "makes a credible threat with the intent to place
that person in reasonable fear for his or her safety"
When your little passing psychopath, as you call him, spooks the door
of innocent people, they will be in reasonable fear for their safety.
If he does that, then a crime will be committed. Before that in all states
except Lousiana there is no crime.
I'm only aware of one person who is so psychotic that he fears revealing the
name of the school he allegedly went to and I don't call you a "little
passing psychopath"
We just want to know who Earl is.
Why, other than stalking?
The mind boggles at such a question.
The mind boggles at the mind behind such a question.
2. If Earl is not the person we think he is then that person does
not even know about this situation and has no fear.
You don't know your little passing psycho THAT well, as he drags his
mentor into the picture.
Another Earl sentence, product of booze or a university education, you
decide.
But we digress.
If you believe this Earl, then you should act on it.
Wouldn't you want to be protected in this manner?
Don't you keep mentioning "love thay neighbor"
Cowardly little man.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 06:02:34 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:53:37 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
When your little passing psychopath, as you call him, spooks the door
of innocent people, they will be in reasonable fear for their safety.
If he does that, then a crime will be committed. Before that in all states
except Lousiana there is no crime.
Yep, that's what under-achievers do.
We just want to know who Earl is.
Why, other than stalking?
The mind boggles at such a question.
The mind boggles at the mind behind such a question.
I do have fun with you people.
But why do you want to know?
2. If Earl is not the person we think he is then that person does
not even know about this situation and has no fear.
You don't know your little passing psycho THAT well, as he drags his
mentor into the picture.
Another Earl sentence, product of booze or a university education, you
decide.
Try this - mikey is under-acheiver's mentor.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
07 Aug 2005 08:12:19 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 7 Aug 2005 10:28:49 -0700, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:25:18 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking
AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
BWAHAHA.
So how are the "ladies" at LSU treating you. Oh, that's right,
co-ed don't go aftrer 63-year-old biological failures like you.
Hmm, I wonder if they know of your pre-pubscent girls' nipples
fetish?
You're getting very close to hurting an innocent person, and I
don't want any part of it. Heed my words, yang.
*****
Heh, heh, heh. You must be getting pretty close, Yang. The little
*****'s gonna go netcop!
No, no netcop. There are internet laws against cyberstalking, and
he's deeply involved in that now. He's going to hurt innocent people
if he isn't stopped. If it takes doing some official complaining
about him, he certainly in a positron to be fingered.
Then do it.
Practice what you preach.
Show some concern.
But remember, you will have to identify yourself.
mikey started it, bud the dud followed up, and now chicken little is
madly trying to dig out names and presenting false ideas in a sick
attempt to embarrass me. He's not going to find or hurt me, but he
can hurt some others. Pretty soon he'll be naming apartment numbers.
If he keeps it up and continues to bother innocent people, he leaves
no choice but to see his name and his professional career ruined.
And there are places to take care of that.
No mikey didn't start it. Your friends at ARC did the initial work.
I've just point out that the names you've picked are more likely picked in
the south and that after you became an open relay and were kicked off one
ISP you picked one that has a presence in Baton Rouge, LA.
For those new to this here's the original from ARC. His reaction was the
same then.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Someone+identifies+you+as+Earl+Weber+of+Baton+Rouge%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&selm=XYOa6.140181%24f36.5521459%40news20.bellglobal.com&rnum=1
Someone identifies you as Earl Weber of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, but you
insist
your name is "duke lebourgeois." Since we are on Usenet, and that is the
identity you have assumed, you haven't lied.
Alan discovers certain details concerning an Earl Weber of Baton Rouge,
Louisiana -- using techniques freely available to anyone who knows his way
about the internet. He posts some of those details. Since they are
deliberately incomplete, they are not enough to allow a passing psychopath
to send a letter bomb to this Earl Weber of Baton Rouge. But you take
umbrage, as if the incomplete personal details could, somehow, have an
impact on /your/ existence.Again, you haven't lied.
Perhaps you are merely voicing your concern over the privacy and safety of
Earl Weber of Baton Rouge. This seems uncharacteristically altruistic of
you, but stranger things have happened.
Alan poses a rhetorical question: Should he provide the credit history of
this Earl Weber of Baton Rouge?
"duke lebourgeois" responds as if he has just been the recipient of a
personal
threat. And still you haven't lied.
4/23/04. Duke has changed ISP's again.
His new email name is duckgumbo. Gumbo is pretty much a southern thing. His
new ISP is cox.com and they offer service in Baton Rouge....
http://www.arcerland.com/dungeon/webber/poorsap.htm
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
08 Aug 2005 06:02:10 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:12:19 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
No, no netcop. There are internet laws against cyberstalking, and
he's deeply involved in that now. He's going to hurt innocent people
if he isn't stopped. If it takes doing some official complaining
about him, he certainly in a positron to be fingered.
Then do it.
Practice what you preach.
Show some concern.
But remember, you will have to identify yourself.
My concern for innocent others has already been expressed, and yet your kind
continue to strive to hurt them.
mikey started it, bud the dud followed up, and now chicken little is
madly trying to dig out names and presenting false ideas in a sick
attempt to embarrass me. He's not going to find or hurt me, but he
can hurt some others. Pretty soon he'll be naming apartment numbers.
If he keeps it up and continues to bother innocent people, he leaves
no choice but to see his name and his professional career ruined.
And there are places to take care of that.
No mikey didn't start it. Your friends at ARC did the initial work.
I've just point out that the names you've picked are more likely picked in
the south and that after you became an open relay and were kicked off one
ISP you picked one that has a presence in Baton Rouge, LA.
A presence in Baton Rouge. Shirley you jest. Also from San Diego to Mass, from
Florida to Nebraska. dumbass.
For those new to this here's the original from ARC. His reaction was the
same then.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Someone+identifies+you+as+Earl+Weber+of+Baton+Rouge%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&selm=XYOa6.140181%24f36.5521459%40news20.bellglobal.com&rnum=1
Someone identifies you as Earl Weber of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, but you
insist
your name is "duke lebourgeois." Since we are on Usenet, and that is the
identity you have assumed, you haven't lied.
Of course I haven't lied.
Alan discovers certain details concerning an Earl Weber of Baton Rouge,
Louisiana -- using techniques freely available to anyone who knows his way
about the internet.
Ohhhh, alan (stinky for short) - the man that takes a bath with his rubber
duckies. Now it's getting clearer.
He posts some of those details. Since they are
deliberately incomplete,
"deliberately" - yeah, like your pursuit.
they are not enough to allow a passing psychopath
to send a letter bomb to this Earl Weber of Baton Rouge. But you take
umbrage, as if the incomplete personal details could, somehow, have an
impact on /your/ existence.
Until yang shows up.
Again, you haven't lied.
Perhaps you are merely voicing your concern over the privacy and safety of
Earl Weber of Baton Rouge. This seems uncharacteristically altruistic of
you, but stranger things have happened.
Strangely enough, it is a Christian thing. But you aren't, so you wouldn't
understand.
Alan poses a rhetorical question: Should he provide the credit history of
this Earl Weber of Baton Rouge?
"duke lebourgeois" responds as if he has just been the recipient of a
personal
threat. And still you haven't lied.
It's called cyber stalking.
4/23/04. Duke has changed ISP's again.
His new email name is duckgumbo. Gumbo is pretty much a southern thing. His
new ISP is cox.com and they offer service in Baton Rouge....
A band from Mass to SD and from Nebraska to Florida.
http://www.arcerland.com/dungeon/webber/poorsap.htm
You're not very bright, mikey, and you are also ankle deep in your passing
psycho yang's cyber stalking.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
08 Aug 2005 05:34:38 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:12:19 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
No, no netcop. There are internet laws against cyberstalking, and
he's deeply involved in that now. He's going to hurt innocent
people if he isn't stopped. If it takes doing some official
complaining about him, he certainly in a positron to be fingered.
Then do it.
Practice what you preach.
Show some concern.
But remember, you will have to identify yourself.
My concern for innocent others has already been expressed, and yet
your kind continue to strive to hurt them.
You express concern for yourself as far as we can tell.
But talking about it here is not the same as doing something about it.
If you believe what you say then you should do what you threaten and make
your report.
mikey started it, bud the dud followed up, and now chicken little is
madly trying to dig out names and presenting false ideas in a sick
attempt to embarrass me. He's not going to find or hurt me, but he
can hurt some others. Pretty soon he'll be naming apartment numbers.
If he keeps it up and continues to bother innocent people, he leaves
no choice but to see his name and his professional career ruined.
And there are places to take care of that.
No mikey didn't start it. Your friends at ARC did the initial work.
I've just point out that the names you've picked are more likely
picked in the south and that after you became an open relay and were
kicked off one ISP you picked one that has a presence in Baton
Rouge, LA.
A presence in Baton Rouge. Shirley you jest. Also from San Diego to
Mass, from Florida to Nebraska. dumbass.
For those new to this here's the original from ARC. His reaction was
the same then.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Someone+identifies+you+as+Earl+Weber+of+Baton+Rouge%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&selm=XYOa6.140181%24f36.5521459%40news20.bellglobal.com&rnum=1
Someone identifies you as Earl Weber of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, but
you insist
your name is "duke lebourgeois." Since we are on Usenet, and that
is the identity you have assumed, you haven't lied.
Of course I haven't lied.
Alan discovers certain details concerning an Earl Weber of Baton
Rouge, Louisiana -- using techniques freely available to anyone who
knows his way about the internet.
Ohhhh, alan (stinky for short) - the man that takes a bath with his
rubber duckies. Now it's getting clearer.
He posts some of those details. Since they are
deliberately incomplete,
"deliberately" - yeah, like your pursuit.
they are not enough to allow a passing psychopath
to send a letter bomb to this Earl Weber of Baton Rouge. But you take
umbrage, as if the incomplete personal details could, somehow, have
an impact on /your/ existence.
Until yang shows up.
Again, you haven't lied.
Perhaps you are merely voicing your concern over the privacy and
safety of Earl Weber of Baton Rouge. This seems
uncharacteristically altruistic of you, but stranger things have
happened.
Strangely enough, it is a Christian thing. But you aren't, so you
wouldn't understand.
You mean complaining about something in a place it will do absolutely no
good is a christian thing?
Alan poses a rhetorical question: Should he provide the credit
history of this Earl Weber of Baton Rouge?
"duke lebourgeois" responds as if he has just been the recipient of a
personal
threat. And still you haven't lied.
It's called cyber stalking.
4/23/04. Duke has changed ISP's again.
His new email name is duckgumbo. Gumbo is pretty much a southern
thing. His new ISP is cox.com and they offer service in Baton
Rouge....
A band from Mass to SD and from Nebraska to Florida.
http://www.arcerland.com/dungeon/webber/poorsap.htm
You're not very bright, mikey, and you are also ankle deep in your
passing psycho yang's cyber stalking.
Then stop talking and report it as you have threatened to do.
Complaining to people here will do no good.
But remember that when you do report it we will know who you are.
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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08 Aug 2005 12:44:51 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 7 Aug 2005 10:28:49 -0700, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:25:18 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine
Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
BWAHAHA.
So how are the "ladies" at LSU treating you. Oh, that's right, co-ed
don't go aftrer 63-year-old biological failures like you. Hmm, I
wonder if they know of your pre-pubscent girls' nipples fetish?
You're getting very close to hurting an innocent person, and I don't want any
part of it. Heed my words, yang.
*****
Heh, heh, heh. You must be getting pretty close, Yang. The little
*****'s gonna go netcop!
No, no netcop. There are internet laws
snip
Shut up, you pathetic pedophilic clown. The grownups are trying to have
a conversation.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
08 Aug 2005 05:26:27 PM |
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On 8 Aug 2005 10:44:51 -0700, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
Shut up, you pathetic pedophilic clown. The grownups are trying to have
a conversation.
You haven't left yet?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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08 Aug 2005 08:16:56 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 8 Aug 2005 10:44:51 -0700, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
Shut up, you pathetic pedophilic clown. The grownups are trying to have
a conversation.
You haven't left yet?
Lookie everybody, I got him to say something other than "it's your
funeral"!
Do I win a cookie or something?
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
09 Aug 2005 12:16:27 AM |
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In article <1123550216.139956.218060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
panamaflyd@aol.com says...
duke wrote:
On 8 Aug 2005 10:44:51 -0700, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
Shut up, you pathetic pedophilic clown. The grownups are trying to have
a conversation.
You haven't left yet?
Lookie everybody, I got him to say something other than "it's your
funeral"!
Do I win a cookie or something?
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
I'll send you a whole case!
If that's really Dooky's place, it's a lot nicer than what I expected.
But you would think a man of his, uhh, "accomplishments", such as
helping to design the TF30 POS jet engine that killed many pilots,
including my cousin, would own a house, just as an investment, if
nothing else. Why pay money to a landlord? After the neighbors I had
when I lived in an apartment, I swore I would never live in one again.
Maybe the bank wouldn't do the loan after meeting him?
BDK
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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10 Aug 2005 07:45:32 AM |
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:16:27 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com>
wrote:
In article <1123550216.139956.218060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
panamaflyd@aol.com says...
duke wrote:
On 8 Aug 2005 10:44:51 -0700, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
Shut up, you pathetic pedophilic clown. The grownups are trying to have
a conversation.
You haven't left yet?
Lookie everybody, I got him to say something other than "it's your
funeral"!
Do I win a cookie or something?
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
I'll send you a whole case!
If that's really Dooky's place, it's a lot nicer than what I expected.
And what could better define success than to live in a $550/month
apartment at age 63, alone, without any descendents?
But you would think a man of his, uhh, "accomplishments", such as
helping to design the TF30 POS jet engine that killed many pilots,
including my cousin, would own a house, just as an investment, if
nothing else. Why pay money to a landlord? After the neighbors I had
when I lived in an apartment, I swore I would never live in one again.
Maybe the bank wouldn't do the loan after meeting him?
BDK
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1837 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
10 Aug 2005 08:52:43 AM |
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In article <cmtjf1dgeaj4aq28fi193404f0ivus6ok1@4ax.com>, eacmole@/
*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com says...
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:16:27 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com>
wrote:
In article <1123550216.139956.218060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
panamaflyd@aol.com says...
duke wrote:
On 8 Aug 2005 10:44:51 -0700, "Panama Floyd" <panamaflyd@aol.com> wrote:
Shut up, you pathetic pedophilic clown. The grownups are trying to have
a conversation.
You haven't left yet?
Lookie everybody, I got him to say something other than "it's your
funeral"!
Do I win a cookie or something?
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
I'll send you a whole case!
If that's really Dooky's place, it's a lot nicer than what I expected.
And what could better define success than to live in a $550/month
apartment at age 63, alone, without any descendents?
I wonder if he's saving up for a mail order bride, or a "Real Doll". I
bet he could handle one of those, he's such a stud..
BDK
But you would think a man of his, uhh, "accomplishments", such as
helping to design the TF30 POS jet engine that killed many pilots,
including my cousin, would own a house, just as an investment, if
nothing else. Why pay money to a landlord? After the neighbors I had
when I lived in an apartment, I swore I would never live in one again.
Maybe the bank wouldn't do the loan after meeting him?
BDK
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1837 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
09 Aug 2005 05:41:26 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:16:27 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
Do I win a cookie or something?
I'll send you a whole case!
If that's really Dooky's place, it's a lot nicer than what I expected.
But you would think a man of his, uhh, "accomplishments", such as
helping to design the TF30 POS jet engine that killed many pilots,
The TF30 didn't kill anyone. Pilots kill people.
including my cousin,
pilot error.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
10 Aug 2005 12:35:49 AM |
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In article <k6cif1lhle3q42p090t49n703ok2vfs3dh@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:16:27 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
Do I win a cookie or something?
I'll send you a whole case!
If that's really Dooky's place, it's a lot nicer than what I expected.
But you would think a man of his, uhh, "accomplishments", such as
helping to design the TF30 POS jet engine that killed many pilots,
The TF30 didn't kill anyone. Pilots kill people.
You can keep saying that ***** all you want to, but if you were truthful,
and you never seem to be, you would admit it was a flawed design.
including my cousin,
pilot error.
Hmm, if that's true, how come the crashes due to the "pilot errors"
suddenly stopped as soon as the TF30 was replaced? What's more likely,
all the pilots suddenly stopped doing stuff that F14 pilots did since
the plane entered service, or that the new engines simply worked
correctly?
Why can't you take responsibility for your mistakes, and not trying to
blame the victim of those mistakes?
Why can't you be honest, just once?
Be a MAN, Dooky. For once in your life.
BDK
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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10 Aug 2005 05:52:33 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:35:49 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
The TF30 didn't kill anyone. Pilots kill people.
You can keep saying that ***** all you want to, but if you were truthful,
and you never seem to be, you would admit it was a flawed design.
The TF30 has been around a long time. I say it was pilot error.
including my cousin,
pilot error.
Hmm, if that's true, how come the crashes due to the "pilot errors"
suddenly stopped as soon as the TF30 was replaced?
Better pilots.
Why can't you take responsibility for your mistakes, and not trying to
blame the victim of those mistakes?
Stupid people kill themselves. It's called pilot error.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
10 Aug 2005 08:42:28 PM |
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In article <l51lf118ibnola93ugod7fjor7ta4f8ovs@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:35:49 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
The TF30 didn't kill anyone. Pilots kill people.
You can keep saying that ***** all you want to, but if you were truthful,
and you never seem to be, you would admit it was a flawed design.
The TF30 has been around a long time. I say it was pilot error.
And you're full of ***** as usual. Why can't you even admit, that the
TF30 was a POS when used in a fighter. In the F111, it was ok, but in a
high G airframe, it was a disaster. There were dozens of close calls
over the years.
including my cousin,
pilot error.
Hmm, if that's true, how come the crashes due to the "pilot errors"
suddenly stopped as soon as the TF30 was replaced?
Better pilots.
Oh sure, and all the books/people that mentioned the problems with the
TF30 in the F14, they are all lying?
Here is a quote from one of a whole bunch of articles mentioning it:
The F-14A was not wildly popular with its aircrews at first. It was a
capable aircraft, but also big, heavy, somewhat underpowered, was
something of a handful on carrier approach, and had a few nasty handling
characteristics. The widely-separated engines meant that if an engine
was lost while in afterburner, the Tomcat would immediately go into an
unrecoverable spin. The P&W TF30 engines proved particularly
troublesome. The worst of the engine problems was a tendency to shed fan
blades, with the blades slicing through the aircraft's fuselage.
Intense effort by P&W led to the development of the more reliable "TF30-
P-414" variant, and a protective steel lining was installed in the
engine duct to protect the aircraft from engine failures, though at the
expense of increased engine weight. By 1979, all F-14As had been
upgraded to the new engine fit and the aircraft's reliability then rose
to more reasonable levels. In 1981, P&W introduced a minor upgrade of
the engine, the "TF30-P-414A".
The TF30 problems gave the engine a terrible reputation, but Pratt &
Whitney could at least plead mitigating circumstances. One of the major
difficulties was that the Tomcat had such excellent high-speed
maneuverability, well beyond that of the previous generation of
fighters. This implied an equally unprecedented level of tweaking
throttle settings during high-thrust flight, and it put an entirely
unexpected level of stress on the engine. The same problem would be
encountered with other contemporary high-performance fighters with other
engines.
And a nice finish:
* The TF30 turbofan was never entirely satisfactory, and in fact it had
only been specified because the Navy was in such a hurry to get the
Tomcat into service. The TF30 had been intended from the outset as a
interim fit until sometime better became available.
Sounds like a dud to me.
Why can't you take responsibility for your mistakes, and not trying to
blame the victim of those mistakes?
Stupid people kill themselves. It's called pilot error.
The TF30 killed at least a dozen F14 pilots, including at least one of
the test pilots. And I suppose you think they are stupid?
You are one sad *****..
BDK
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 10:17:27 AM |
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In article <MPG.1d6477126383214989a00@news.buckeye-express.com> BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> writes:
In article <l51lf118ibnola93ugod7fjor7ta4f8ovs@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:35:49 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
The TF30 didn't kill anyone. Pilots kill people.
You can keep saying that ***** all you want to, but if you were truthful,
and you never seem to be, you would admit it was a flawed design.
The TF30 has been around a long time. I say it was pilot error.
And you're full of ***** as usual. Why can't you even admit, that the
TF30 was a POS when used in a fighter. In the F111, it was ok, but in a
high G airframe, it was a disaster. There were dozens of close calls
over the years.
including my cousin,
pilot error.
Hmm, if that's true, how come the crashes due to the "pilot errors"
suddenly stopped as soon as the TF30 was replaced?
Better pilots.
Oh sure, and all the books/people that mentioned the problems with the
TF30 in the F14, they are all lying?
Here is a quote from one of a whole bunch of articles mentioning it:
The F-14A was not wildly popular with its aircrews at first. It was a
capable aircraft, but also big, heavy, somewhat underpowered, was
something of a handful on carrier approach, and had a few nasty handling
characteristics. The widely-separated engines meant that if an engine
was lost while in afterburner, the Tomcat would immediately go into an
unrecoverable spin. The P&W TF30 engines proved particularly
troublesome. The worst of the engine problems was a tendency to shed fan
blades, with the blades slicing through the aircraft's fuselage.
Whoa. I'd call THAT one a bit of a design flaw.
Intense effort by P&W led to the development of the more reliable "TF30-
P-414" variant, and a protective steel lining was installed in the
engine duct to protect the aircraft from engine failures, though at the
expense of increased engine weight. By 1979, all F-14As had been
upgraded to the new engine fit and the aircraft's reliability then rose
to more reasonable levels. In 1981, P&W introduced a minor upgrade of
the engine, the "TF30-P-414A".
See? Earl was right. Stupid earlier pilots, they forgot to
bring along their protective steel suit. They also forgot
to install the upgraded engine before taking off. Entirely
their own fault.
-- cary
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 10:50:09 AM |
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In article <ddfq67$jil$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
In article <MPG.1d6477126383214989a00@news.buckeye-express.com> BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> writes:
In article <l51lf118ibnola93ugod7fjor7ta4f8ovs@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:35:49 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
The TF30 didn't kill anyone. Pilots kill people.
You can keep saying that ***** all you want to, but if you were truthful,
and you never seem to be, you would admit it was a flawed design.
The TF30 has been around a long time. I say it was pilot error.
And you're full of ***** as usual. Why can't you even admit, that the
TF30 was a POS when used in a fighter. In the F111, it was ok, but in a
high G airframe, it was a disaster. There were dozens of close calls
over the years.
including my cousin,
pilot error.
Hmm, if that's true, how come the crashes due to the "pilot errors"
suddenly stopped as soon as the TF30 was replaced?
Better pilots.
Oh sure, and all the books/people that mentioned the problems with the
TF30 in the F14, they are all lying?
Here is a quote from one of a whole bunch of articles mentioning it:
The F-14A was not wildly popular with its aircrews at first. It was a
capable aircraft, but also big, heavy, somewhat underpowered, was
something of a handful on carrier approach, and had a few nasty handling
characteristics. The widely-separated engines meant that if an engine
was lost while in afterburner, the Tomcat would immediately go into an
unrecoverable spin. The P&W TF30 engines proved particularly
troublesome. The worst of the engine problems was a tendency to shed fan
blades, with the blades slicing through the aircraft's fuselage.
Whoa. I'd call THAT one a bit of a design flaw.
Intense effort by P&W led to the development of the more reliable "TF30-
P-414" variant, and a protective steel lining was installed in the
engine duct to protect the aircraft from engine failures, though at the
expense of increased engine weight. By 1979, all F-14As had been
upgraded to the new engine fit and the aircraft's reliability then rose
to more reasonable levels. In 1981, P&W introduced a minor upgrade of
the engine, the "TF30-P-414A".
See? Earl was right. Stupid earlier pilots, they forgot to
bring along their protective steel suit. They also forgot
to install the upgraded engine before taking off. Entirely
their own fault.
-- cary
And the other "stupid" pilots, like my cousin, who didn't bring along
his super invulnerability suit so he might have had a chance as he lost
an engine in a bad storm (The fine TF30 was also prone to just stalling
at lower power, like when on approach to a carrier landing)and hit the
water at about 250 knots. Oh, he forgot his "Magic Gills" too, so he
drowned, if he had survived the impact in the first place.
All they found was his broken helmet.
Dooky is really a slimebag.
For once, it might be nice if he quit lying..
BDK
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 08:29:50 PM |
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BDK wrote:
In article <ddfq67$jil$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
In article <MPG.1d6477126383214989a00@news.buckeye-express.com> BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> writes:
In article <l51lf118ibnola93ugod7fjor7ta4f8ovs@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:35:49 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
snip.
And the other "stupid" pilots, like my cousin, who didn't bring along
his super invulnerability suit so he might have had a chance as he lost
an engine in a bad storm (The fine TF30 was also prone to just stalling
at lower power, like when on approach to a carrier landing)and hit the
water at about 250 knots. Oh, he forgot his "Magic Gills" too, so he
drowned, if he had survived the impact in the first place.
All they found was his broken helmet.
Holy *****, BDK! Your cousin was killed in a 14? Here's a story for ya..
I grew up on the North Carolina mainland, across from the Outer Banks.
We traveled to Norfolk often for rock concerts & such, and I had made a
few friends there. Whenever the folks at Oceana would fly their F14s in
the rain, the locals used to make jokes about staying out of the flight
path. I think we had all heard about the crashes, but I never knew it
was a mechanical problem.
Sometimes I think Naval Aviators are some of the most talented people
on Earth. People forget that even though an aircraft carrier is a
incredibly huge vessel, it's still an incredibly small airport.
Dooky is really a slimebag.
For once, it might be nice if he quit lying..
agreed.
BDK
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
12 Aug 2005 11:10:31 AM |
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In article <1123810190.035994.94790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
panamaflyd@aol.com says...
BDK wrote:
In article <ddfq67$jil$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
In article <MPG.1d6477126383214989a00@news.buckeye-express.com> BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> writes:
In article <l51lf118ibnola93ugod7fjor7ta4f8ovs@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:35:49 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
snip.
And the other "stupid" pilots, like my cousin, who didn't bring along
his super invulnerability suit so he might have had a chance as he lost
an engine in a bad storm (The fine TF30 was also prone to just stalling
at lower power, like when on approach to a carrier landing)and hit the
water at about 250 knots. Oh, he forgot his "Magic Gills" too, so he
drowned, if he had survived the impact in the first place.
All they found was his broken helmet.
Holy *****, BDK! Your cousin was killed in a 14? Here's a story for ya..
His dad was a fighter pilot and it was all he wanted to be. His folks
were so proud of him, but worried as they knew how dangerous carrier
landings are. His dad knew about the problems with the F14, but kept
quiet, he didn't want to worry his wife "needlessly".
Of course, it wasn't needless at all.
I grew up on the North Carolina mainland, across from the Outer Banks.
We traveled to Norfolk often for rock concerts & such, and I had made a
few friends there. Whenever the folks at Oceana would fly their F14s in
the rain, the locals used to make jokes about staying out of the flight
path. I think we had all heard about the crashes, but I never knew it
was a mechanical problem.
A touchy plane and bad engines, sadly equals crashes and dead pilots and
rear seaters too..
Sometimes I think Naval Aviators are some of the most talented people
on Earth. People forget that even though an aircraft carrier is a
incredibly huge vessel, it's still an incredibly small airport.
Hell, it's tough in some of the video games I used to have.
BDK
Dooky is really a slimebag.
For once, it might be nice if he quit lying..
agreed.
BDK
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
12 Aug 2005 12:14:39 PM |
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BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d6693fdfb39ffde989a06@news.buckeye-express.com:
In article <1123810190.035994.94790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
panamaflyd@aol.com says...
<...>
Sometimes I think Naval Aviators are some of the most talented people
on Earth. People forget that even though an aircraft carrier is a
incredibly huge vessel, it's still an incredibly small airport.
Hell, it's tough in some of the video games I used to have.
Night carrier landing video:
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_
20058223.asp
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals
to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals
to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper
that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from
the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing
to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best
for the cause by editing a newspaper."
Robert E. Lee
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
12 Aug 2005 06:36:33 PM |
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In article <1123866879.8ac518742b285a21ce7256490fc89b80@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d6693fdfb39ffde989a06@news.buckeye-express.com:
In article <1123810190.035994.94790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
panamaflyd@aol.com says...
<...>
Sometimes I think Naval Aviators are some of the most talented people
on Earth. People forget that even though an aircraft carrier is a
incredibly huge vessel, it's still an incredibly small airport.
Hell, it's tough in some of the video games I used to have.
Night carrier landing video:
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_
20058223.asp
Well, the link didn't work, but night landing, during a storm, must be
about the scariest thing you can do in a plane.
BDK
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
12 Aug 2005 07:07:22 PM |
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BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d66fc8c21acaacd989a0c@news.buckeye-express.com:
In article <1123866879.8ac518742b285a21ce7256490fc89b80@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d6693fdfb39ffde989a06@news.buckeye-express.com:
In article <1123810190.035994.94790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
panamaflyd@aol.com says...
<...>
Sometimes I think Naval Aviators are some of the most talented
people
on Earth. People forget that even though an aircraft carrier is a
incredibly huge vessel, it's still an incredibly small airport.
Hell, it's tough in some of the video games I used to have.
Night carrier landing video:
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_
20058223.asp
Well, the link didn't work, but night landing, during a storm, must be
about the scariest thing you can do in a plane.
BDK
Try this one:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2D312B9B
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals
to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals
to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper
that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from
the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing
to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best
for the cause by editing a newspaper."
Robert E. Lee
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
12 Aug 2005 10:02:03 PM |
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In article <1123891644.cc93ece3b09ce60801b4aac401157126@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d66fc8c21acaacd989a0c@news.buckeye-express.com:
In article <1123866879.8ac518742b285a21ce7256490fc89b80@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1d6693fdfb39ffde989a06@news.buckeye-express.com:
In article <1123810190.035994.94790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
panamaflyd@aol.com says...
<...>
Sometimes I think Naval Aviators are some of the most talented
people
on Earth. People forget that even though an aircraft carrier is a
incredibly huge vessel, it's still an incredibly small airport.
Hell, it's tough in some of the video games I used to have.
Night carrier landing video:
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_
20058223.asp
Well, the link didn't work, but night landing, during a storm, must be
about the scariest thing you can do in a plane.
BDK
Try this one:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2D312B9B
Yeah, that one worked. I wouldn't ever want to do it at night, let alone
when it's raining too.
Thanks..
BDK
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 11:07:43 AM |
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In article <MPG.1d653db8e6151ae4989a01@news.buckeye-express.com> BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> writes:
In article <ddfq67$jil$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
In article <MPG.1d6477126383214989a00@news.buckeye-express.com> BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> writes:
In article <l51lf118ibnola93ugod7fjor7ta4f8ovs@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:35:49 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
The TF30 didn't kill anyone. Pilots kill people.
You can keep saying that ***** all you want to, but if you were truthful,
and you never seem to be, you would admit it was a flawed design.
The TF30 has been around a long time. I say it was pilot error.
And you're full of ***** as usual. Why can't you even admit, that the
TF30 was a POS when used in a fighter. In the F111, it was ok, but in a
high G airframe, it was a disaster. There were dozens of close calls
over the years.
including my cousin,
pilot error.
Hmm, if that's true, how come the crashes due to the "pilot errors"
suddenly stopped as soon as the TF30 was replaced?
Better pilots.
Oh sure, and all the books/people that mentioned the problems with the
TF30 in the F14, they are all lying?
Here is a quote from one of a whole bunch of articles mentioning it:
The F-14A was not wildly popular with its aircrews at first. It was a
capable aircraft, but also big, heavy, somewhat underpowered, was
something of a handful on carrier approach, and had a few nasty handling
characteristics. The widely-separated engines meant that if an engine
was lost while in afterburner, the Tomcat would immediately go into an
unrecoverable spin. The P&W TF30 engines proved particularly
troublesome. The worst of the engine problems was a tendency to shed fan
blades, with the blades slicing through the aircraft's fuselage.
Whoa. I'd call THAT one a bit of a design flaw.
Intense effort by P&W led to the development of the more reliable "TF30-
P-414" variant, and a protective steel lining was installed in the
engine duct to protect the aircraft from engine failures, though at the
expense of increased engine weight. By 1979, all F-14As had been
upgraded to the new engine fit and the aircraft's reliability then rose
to more reasonable levels. In 1981, P&W introduced a minor upgrade of
the engine, the "TF30-P-414A".
See? Earl was right. Stupid earlier pilots, they forgot to
bring along their protective steel suit. They also forgot
to install the upgraded engine before taking off. Entirely
their own fault.
-- cary
And the other "stupid" pilots, like my cousin, who didn't bring along
his super invulnerability suit so he might have had a chance as he lost
an engine in a bad storm (The fine TF30 was also prone to just stalling
at lower power, like when on approach to a carrier landing)and hit the
water at about 250 knots. Oh, he forgot his "Magic Gills" too, so he
drowned, if he had survived the impact in the first place.
All they found was his broken helmet.
Dooky is really a slimebag.
For once, it might be nice if he quit lying..
My condolences. That is very sad.
Even Earl would likely agree, if he could take a minute off from
being defensive.
-- cary
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 08:49:16 PM |
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In article <ddft4f$rgv$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
In article <MPG.1d653db8e6151ae4989a01@news.buckeye-express.com> BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> writes:
In article <ddfq67$jil$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
In article <MPG.1d6477126383214989a00@news.buckeye-express.com> BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> writes:
In article <l51lf118ibnola93ugod7fjor7ta4f8ovs@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:35:49 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
The TF30 didn't kill anyone. Pilots kill people.
You can keep saying that ***** all you want to, but if you were truthful,
and you never seem to be, you would admit it was a flawed design.
The TF30 has been around a long time. I say it was pilot error.
And you're full of ***** as usual. Why can't you even admit, that the
TF30 was a POS when used in a fighter. In the F111, it was ok, but in a
high G airframe, it was a disaster. There were dozens of close calls
over the years.
including my cousin,
pilot error.
Hmm, if that's true, how come the crashes due to the "pilot errors"
suddenly stopped as soon as the TF30 was replaced?
Better pilots.
Oh sure, and all the books/people that mentioned the problems with the
TF30 in the F14, they are all lying?
Here is a quote from one of a whole bunch of articles mentioning it:
The F-14A was not wildly popular with its aircrews at first. It was a
capable aircraft, but also big, heavy, somewhat underpowered, was
something of a handful on carrier approach, and had a few nasty handling
characteristics. The widely-separated engines meant that if an engine
was lost while in afterburner, the Tomcat would immediately go into an
unrecoverable spin. The P&W TF30 engines proved particularly
troublesome. The worst of the engine problems was a tendency to shed fan
blades, with the blades slicing through the aircraft's fuselage.
Whoa. I'd call THAT one a bit of a design flaw.
Intense effort by P&W led to the development of the more reliable "TF30-
P-414" variant, and a protective steel lining was installed in the
engine duct to protect the aircraft from engine failures, though at the
expense of increased engine weight. By 1979, all F-14As had been
upgraded to the new engine fit and the aircraft's reliability then rose
to more reasonable levels. In 1981, P&W introduced a minor upgrade of
the engine, the "TF30-P-414A".
See? Earl was right. Stupid earlier pilots, they forgot to
bring along their protective steel suit. They also forgot
to install the upgraded engine before taking off. Entirely
their own fault.
-- cary
And the other "stupid" pilots, like my cousin, who didn't bring along
his super invulnerability suit so he might have had a chance as he lost
an engine in a bad storm (The fine TF30 was also prone to just stalling
at lower power, like when on approach to a carrier landing)and hit the
water at about 250 knots. Oh, he forgot his "Magic Gills" too, so he
drowned, if he had survived the impact in the first place.
All they found was his broken helmet.
Dooky is really a slimebag.
For once, it might be nice if he quit lying..
My condolences. That is very sad.
Thanks,
He had two young daughters and a wife who had never dated anyone else.
She lucked out though, and married another pilot who had lost his wife
in a car accident. They've been married almost 25 years now. My cousin
would be a grandfather now, if the TF30 hadn't gotten him killed.
Even Earl would likely agree, if he could take a minute off from
being defensive.
I'm not too sure of that, he's pretty twisted.
BDK
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 06:10:54 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:50:09 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
And the other "stupid" pilots, like my cousin, who didn't bring along
his super invulnerability suit so he might have had a chance as he lost
an engine in a bad storm (The fine TF30 was also prone to just stalling
at lower power, like when on approach to a carrier landing)and hit the
water at about 250 knots. Oh, he forgot his "Magic Gills" too, so he
drowned, if he had survived the impact in the first place.
All they found was his broken helmet.
Dooky is really a slimebag.
For once, it might be nice if he quit lying..
BDK
Never lied on the ng so much as once. Don't need to. The truth does me just
fine.
Question: What did the accident report conclude?
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 09:06:09 PM |
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In article <vkmnf19caa6co416mrndjp9r4e498r9l3s@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:50:09 -0400, BDK <kingratay@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
And the other "stupid" pilots, like my cousin, who didn't bring along
his super invulnerability suit so he might have had a chance as he lost
an engine in a bad storm (The fine TF30 was also prone to just stalling
at lower power, like when on approach to a carrier landing)and hit the
water at about 250 knots. Oh, he forgot his "Magic Gills" too, so he
drowned, if he had survived the impact in the first place.
All they found was his broken helmet.
Dooky is really a slimebag.
For once, it might be nice if he quit lying..
BDK
Never lied on the ng so much as once. Don't need to. The truth does me just
fine.
Question: What did the accident report conclude?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Since the plane was never found, it's incomplete, BUT, he was on a
perfect approach, and said he had an engine failure on the radio, and
then went off radar, and one of the other ships in the group saw him hit
somewhere behind the carrier. His was the second one in a short time on
board that ship (Cant remember if it was the Kennedy or Constellation
any more, I've had people I know on both) The first crew survived, it
was daytime, and they weren't in 40 degree water. They recovered that
plane, and it was a turbine failure that caused it. It was at almost
exactly the same point where my cousin's plane went down.
Like any other hi tech manufacturer, P&W made some duds. It happens to
every company, sooner or later..
BDK
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 06:09:02 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:17:27 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
The F-14A was not wildly popular with its aircrews at first. It was a
capable aircraft, but also big, heavy, somewhat underpowered, was
something of a handful on carrier approach, and had a few nasty handling
characteristics. The widely-separated engines meant that if an engine
was lost while in afterburner, the Tomcat would immediately go into an
unrecoverable spin. The P&W TF30 engines proved particularly
troublesome. The worst of the engine problems was a tendency to shed fan
blades, with the blades slicing through the aircraft's fuselage.
Whoa. I'd call THAT one a bit of a design flaw.
ALL engines and air frames have design flaws. To a good pilot, it was an
excellent fighter.
Intense effort by P&W led to the development of the more reliable "TF30-
P-414" variant, and a protective steel lining was installed in the
engine duct to protect the aircraft from engine failures, though at the
expense of increased engine weight. By 1979, all F-14As had been
upgraded to the new engine fit and the aircraft's reliability then rose
to more reasonable levels. In 1981, P&W introduced a minor upgrade of
the engine, the "TF30-P-414A".
See? Earl was right. Stupid earlier pilots, they forgot to
bring along their protective steel suit. They also forgot
to install the upgraded engine before taking off. Entirely
their own fault.
Did you wear your bullet proof vest to work today just in case?
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 06:14:14 PM |
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In article <kgmnf11212hkis9qh6ob5u32ist47jgboq@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:17:27 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
The F-14A was not wildly popular with its aircrews at first. It was a
capable aircraft, but also big, heavy, somewhat underpowered, was
something of a handful on carrier approach, and had a few nasty handling
characteristics. The widely-separated engines meant that if an engine
was lost while in afterburner, the Tomcat would immediately go into an
unrecoverable spin. The P&W TF30 engines proved particularly
troublesome. The worst of the engine problems was a tendency to shed fan
blades, with the blades slicing through the aircraft's fuselage.
Whoa. I'd call THAT one a bit of a design flaw.
ALL engines and air frames have design flaws. To a good pilot, it was an
excellent fighter.
Right up to the point where the engine indulged its "tendency to shed
fan blades"?
How, incidentally, would a non-"error-prone" pilot avoid this unfortunate
"tendency"?
Intense effort by P&W led to the development of the more reliable "TF30-
P-414" variant, and a protective steel lining was installed in the
engine duct to protect the aircraft from engine failures, though at the
expense of increased engine weight. By 1979, all F-14As had been
upgraded to the new engine fit and the aircraft's reliability then rose
to more reasonable levels. In 1981, P&W introduced a minor upgrade of
the engine, the "TF30-P-414A".
See? Earl was right. Stupid earlier pilots, they forgot to
bring along their protective steel suit. They also forgot
to install the upgraded engine before taking off. Entirely
their own fault.
Did you wear your bullet proof vest to work today just in case?
Shorts and a flimsy shirt. My building is well-designed, and
shows no "tendency to collapse".
-- cary
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J Weber, Chief Loser of Afton Oaks Apartment |
11 Aug 2005 08:57:59 PM |
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In article <kgmnf11212hkis9qh6ob5u32ist47jgboq@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:17:27 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
The F-14A was not wildly popular with its aircrews at first. It was a
capable aircraft, but also big, heavy, somewhat underpowered, was
something of a handful on carrier approach, and had a few nasty handling
characteristics. The widely-separated engines meant that if an engine
was lost while in afterburner, the Tomcat would immediately go into an
unrecoverable spin. The P&W TF30 engines proved particularly
troublesome. The worst of the engine problems was a tendency to shed fan
blades, with the blades slicing through the aircraft's fuselage.
Whoa. I'd call THAT one a bit of a design flaw.
ALL engines and air frames have design flaws. To a good pilot, it was an
excellent fighter.
Sure they do, but the TF30 was so bad it killed a lot of people. Why do
you keep defending it? It was the wrong engine, period. The fact that
when they dumped the TF30, virtually overnight the death rate plummeted
as fast as some of the F14s used to due TF30 flameouts and failures. The
TF30 was the MAIN PROBLEM with the F14.
Intense effort by P&W led to the development of the more reliable "TF30-
P-414" variant, and a protective steel lining was installed in the
engine duct to protect the aircraft from engine failures, though at the
expense of increased engine weight. By 1979, all F-14As had been
upgraded to the new engine fit and the aircraft's reliability then rose
to more reasonable levels. In 1981, P&W introduced a minor upgrade of
the engine, the "TF30-P-414A".
See? Earl was right. Stupid earlier pilots, they forgot to
bring along their protective steel suit. They also forgot
to install the upgraded engine before taking off. Entirely
their own fault.
Did you wear your bullet proof vest to work today just in case?
By that logic Earl, I wonder if you think we shouldn't open the hoods of
our cars and trucks while the engine's running, because the engine might
fly apart and kill us, due to a manufacturing defect.. It might actually
do that, but it's a one in a billion chance, not whatever the rate the
TF30 blew up, I think I read it was 20X as bad as the F15 engine of the
same era. Pitiful..
BDK
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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