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"Budikka666" |
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13 Jun 2005 04:43:39 PM |
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Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
On June 7th in thread "Why There Is no God - Parts 156-170 - The Why
Edition" in a.a. at 6:38pm (http://tinyurl.com/d3ubb) Earl Weber said,
"Pick one subject line on the bible or God, as I've offered to you many
times, and we will talk again. Why are you so afraid of discussion,
bud?"
Earl loves to prove himself a liar. Here he is lying about engaging in
discussion when the truth is that for over a year he's run from every
discussion I've offered him. Even more hilariously, he's also run form
every signle time I've accepted one of his challenges!
The most recent one was *precisely* what he asked for: one subject line
on the bible or God. Here's the offer I've been making him since April
30th (a week *before* he told his lie above):
"Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel. Let's discuss
what God would think of someone who made false accusations of
plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would constitute
what's legally required to substantiate true accusations. Are you up
for it?"
Clearly Earl isn't up for anything. As usual, he's running away from a
challenge while lying through his teeth that it's the challenger who's
running! I've offered him variations on this challenge **AT LEAST 40
TIMES** since April 30th, and he's run away every time. No surprises
there.
But why would he run away, you ask? He has no choice. The reason he
runs so fast and so far is that if he engaged in this particular
discussion it would provide yet mroe proof of what a lousy liar he is.
In order to desperately try to hide his phenomenal cowardice, he has to
lie even about his lies. But then that is what he does best.
And this is the lying liar who lies that he never lies in his messages
on Usenet!
Now we can all see how cowardly and hypocritical he truly is.
Budikka
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
16 Jun 2005 08:45:21 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vnj2b1hlq3ln5u3fhbork072e0gda0u0ei@4ax.com...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:14:00 +1000, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Doesn't take much to cover a sphere of 8K miles diameter.
What ?! ....where's your Scientific evidence for this piece of crap ?
Pure high school math.
Then you must have flunked it.
2. Where did the water go? Again, back this up.
Some evaporated back into the atmosphere. Some returned underground.
Again ..... where's the evidence ? ... your say so doesn't prove a
thing ...
Well, you tell me where it went - on vacation on Pluto?
For a real scientific genius like you, this question shouldn't have been a
problem.
You're not much of a geologist if you believe Everest was always around.
It's been around a lot bloody longer than your alleged Flood ......
prove otherwise ....
How long ago was the biblical flood?
Most fundies put it at 4,000 years ago. Persons with even a modicum of
scientific knowledge don't have a date because the global flood never
happened.
Shame, shame on you berry. Read Gen 7:11. For additional light
reading, try
Genesis 7:24 and 8:3. Now read 7:11 again along with 8:13.
What ? that doesn't explain anything ! How do those quotes answer the
question ? In fact it exposes the conflict between Genesis 7:24 and
Genesis 7:17 ...... how do you explain that one ?
Of course it doesn't - it's swoosh right over your head.
Can't explain it Puke?????
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| User: "duke" |
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17 Jun 2005 04:50:19 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:45:21 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vnj2b1hlq3ln5u3fhbork072e0gda0u0ei@4ax.com...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:14:00 +1000, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Doesn't take much to cover a sphere of 8K miles diameter.
What ?! ....where's your Scientific evidence for this piece of crap ?
Pure high school math.
Then you must have flunked it.
I got the right answer, didn't I!!! And you didn't even know what I was talking
about.
2. Where did the water go? Again, back this up.
Some evaporated back into the atmosphere. Some returned underground.
Again ..... where's the evidence ? ... your say so doesn't prove a
thing ...
Well, you tell me where it went - on vacation on Pluto?
For a real scientific genius like you, this question shouldn't have been a
problem.
It wasn't for me. You're the one that doesn't understand.
You're not much of a geologist if you believe Everest was always around.
It's been around a lot bloody longer than your alleged Flood ......
prove otherwise ....
How long ago was the biblical flood?
Most fundies put it at 4,000 years ago. Persons with even a modicum of
scientific knowledge don't have a date because the global flood never
happened.
Correction: the few Christians that believe in the literal truth of each and
every word in the bible put it at about 6000 years ago. But there is no basis
for that other than adding up all the individual "days" mentioned in the bible,
and they come up to about 6000 years.
Shame, shame on you berry. Read Gen 7:11. For additional light
reading, try
Genesis 7:24 and 8:3. Now read 7:11 again along with 8:13.
What ? that doesn't explain anything ! How do those quotes answer the
question ? In fact it exposes the conflict between Genesis 7:24 and
Genesis 7:17 ...... how do you explain that one ?
Of course it doesn't - it's swoosh right over your head.
Can't explain it Puke?????
I can, but you can't. You don't even know what the verses say.
One has to do with the days of rain, and the other the time before the water
began to recede. You really are making a fool of yourself, t-tom, but that's
not unusual for you.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
17 Jun 2005 06:41:54 AM |
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duke wrote:
Doesn't take much to cover a sphere of 8K miles diameter.
What ?! ....where's your Scientific evidence for this piece of crap ?
Pure high school math.
Then you must have flunked it.
I got the right answer, didn't I!!! And you didn't even know what I was talking
about.
No you didn't Earl ..... you didn't give an answer at all ..... where's
the maths you seem to enamoured with ...... an 8 thousand mile
diameter sphere would have a surface area of 201,061,760 square miles
...... hardly a negligible amount ...... OK, I've done some of it for
you, now you tell me how much water would be needed to cover it to a
depth of just 6 feet ...... it's just simple High School maths Earl ....
you can do it ...... can't you ..... ?
2. Where did the water go? Again, back this up.
Some evaporated back into the atmosphere. Some returned underground.
Again ..... where's the evidence ? ... your say so doesn't prove a
thing ...
Well, you tell me where it went - on vacation on Pluto?
For a real scientific genius like you, this question shouldn't have been a
problem.
It wasn't for me. You're the one that doesn't understand.
And you're the one who won't answer the question, where is all this
water ? It must have gone somewhere ?
I won't 'tell' you where it went because it never went anywhere, not
even Pluto ....... it was never there to start with ...... you are the
one claiming it was there .....
You're not much of a geologist if you believe Everest was always around.
It's been around a lot bloody longer than your alleged Flood ......
prove otherwise ....
How long ago was the biblical flood?
Most fundies put it at 4,000 years ago. Persons with even a modicum of
scientific knowledge don't have a date because the global flood never
happened.
Correction: the few Christians that believe in the literal truth of each and
every word in the bible put it at about 6000 years ago. But there is no basis
for that other than adding up all the individual "days" mentioned in the bible,
and they come up to about 6000 years.
and Mt Everest is 50,000,000 years old, Homo Sapiens have been around
for about 120,000 years ...... 6,000 years ago Mt Everest would have
been, maybe a few yards shorter than today ...... yet you claim it was a
mere 'speed bump' at the time of the Flood ...... your High School
maths is looking a tad questionable Earl ....
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
17 Jun 2005 10:51:16 PM |
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Masked Avenger wrote:
duke wrote:
Doesn't take much to cover a sphere of 8K miles diameter.
What ?! ....where's your Scientific evidence for this piece of
crap ?
Pure high school math.
Then you must have flunked it.
I got the right answer, didn't I!!! And you didn't even know what I
was talking about.
No you didn't Earl ..... you didn't give an answer at all .....
where's the maths you seem to enamoured with ...... an 8 thousand mile
diameter sphere would have a surface area of 201,061,760 square miles
..... hardly a negligible amount ...... OK, I've done some of it for
you, now you tell me how much water would be needed to cover it to a
depth of just 6 feet ...... it's just simple High School maths Earl
.... you can do it ...... can't you ..... ?
He didn't even offer an "engineering" solution given by somebody else.
<snip>
How long ago was the biblical flood?
Most fundies put it at 4,000 years ago. Persons with even a modicum
of scientific knowledge don't have a date because the global flood
never happened.
Correction: the few Christians that believe in the literal truth of
each and every word in the bible put it at about 6000 years ago. But
there is no basis for that other than adding up all the
individual "days" mentioned in the bible, and they come up to about
6000 years.
Here Earl demonstrates his inability to keep on track (not to confuse that
with his source of knowledge, the tract.)
He confuses the fundy age of the earth with the date of the flood.
HE WILL NOT ADMIT THIS ERROR.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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16 Jun 2005 05:44:51 PM |
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PUKE LIED:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:14:00 +1000, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:
Doesn't take much to cover a sphere of 8K miles diameter.
What ?! ....where's your Scientific evidence for this piece of crap ?
Pure high school math.
This from the liar who agreed to the rule whereby he would supply
evidence for his assertions, in the thread that *he* requested about
the challenge that *he* asked for! Pretty pathetic, huh? But as
predictable as a baby's dirty diaper.
Not one of us atheists is surprised by his stupidity, cowardice, lies
and hypocrisy. We knew he would do this, so why the thread? Because
he's showing all of this fellow christians what a stupid, cowardly,
liar and hypocrite he is. It was worth it just for that.
On the other hand, they're probably not surprised either, but at least
Google will preserve it for posterity. In future when he makes his
cowardly, vacious challenges, we'll just post the URL to this thread as
a response and that will be the end of that.
Budikka
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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14 Jun 2005 09:31:33 PM |
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PUKE LIED:
On 13 Jun 2005 19:46:47 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Here it is again, the challenge you begged me for. I'm accepting. I'm
waiting on you finding the guts to take it up:
Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel. Let's discuss
what God would think of someone who made false accusations of
plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would constitute
what's legally required to substantiate true accusations. Are you up
for it?
Well, seeing as you keep running away from the biblical flood,
Since you accepted the rules, you need to support this assertion with
evidence or admit that it's a lie. Can you support this assertion with
evidence?
I'll go with you.
You wish. However, *this* thread is not the flood thread. You fled
the flood thread when you were overwhelmed with questions you either
didn't understand or could not honestly respond to without proving
yourself to be a liar.
If you wish to take up that topic, the flood thread is still out there,
where you fled from it on December 19th last year.
My last response in that same thread was on Xmas eve. So I'm the one
still waiting on you getting your cowardly ***** back in there to support
your assertions. Got it now? Before *that* thread can be restarted,
you have fifty unanswered questions to address that you've been running
from since they were assembled together in one thread
(http://tinyurl.com/6nla2) last october 23rd. You lasted only eight
days in that thread.
I opened a special flood edition of the "Why There Isn't a God" series
on New Year's eve (http://tinyurl.com/8vg67), and you couldn't stand
your ground for even one week in *that* one.
So what you need to do, Earl, to get back on the straight and narrow,
is to start facing the truth and start telling the truth about who is a
lying coward, running from 40 challenges in a month, and who is the one
standing ground, supporting assertions, and facing you down on a daily
basis. Even now, there's no evidence that you will take a stand and
support it.
However, whatever rules apply to me must apply to you. Deal?
You're the one who avoids the rules, not me. I've never avoided any
rules. I stayed bound by the rules in the thread "Discussing Duke's
Plagiarism Accusation" (http://tinyurl.com/6mf6m) despite your insults
and despite the fact that you accepted the rules and then abused every
single one.
Remember that thread, Earl, started on Valentine's eve, where you
lasted less than a week before you fled with your tail between your
legs?
I'm bound by the rules in this thread: that's why I'm here, asking you
to start supporting your assertions. So are we done with your straw
men and your patented prevarication? Are you going to take a position
support your assertions with evidence now?
Here's the subject line about god that you demanded:
Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel. Let's discuss
what God would think of someone who made false accusations of
plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would constitute
what's legally required to substantiate true accusations.
So let's hear it, Earl. Here's a handful of simple questions to get
you started. I've kept the number limited because we all know your
intellect (such as it is) can't handle more than you can count on the
fingers of one hand.
1. Would your god agree that an accusation of plagiarism (without
valid legal evidence to support it) was a lie, and constitutes libel?
Just what *would* your god think about a person who repeatedly accuses
someone else of plagiarism, when the accused has repeatedly
demonstrated innocence, and the accuser cannot offer evidence
independent of the parties involved to support his accusation? Would
your gosd think them a liar, or just mean-spirited?
2. If a person repeated accusations of plagiarism, claiming material
had been stolen from a book or some such publication, and was asked to
provide the name of the book, its author, publisher, etc., from which
the material was plagiarised, would your god want you to help the
requestor by providing the material? If not, why not?
3. In a court of law, when a Christian is under oath (to tell the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth "so help me God" sworn
on a Holy Bible), and they maintained that a person had plagiarised
material from a book or some such publication, what would they need to
produce in the way of evidence to support their testimony? If the
accuser had insisted the material was stolen from a book or some such
publication, wouldn't the accuser actually have to provide the name and
other details of the publication from which they claim the material was
plagiarised?
4. Does your god want you to bear false witness? I mean, if a person
accused of plagiarism has repeatedly asked the accuser to discuss it,
has repeatedly tried to explain why the accuser is making a false
accusation, has demonstrated why the accusation cannot possibly be
true, and the accuser has failed to support their accusation, would
your god want to accuser to admit he made a mistake and apologize, or
would your god want the accuser to continue to bear false witness in
the absence of evidence independent of the parties involved?
Budikka
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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14 Jun 2005 08:16:26 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 13 Jun 2005 14:43:39 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
"Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel. Let's discuss
what God would think of someone who made false accusations of
plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would constitute
what's legally required to substantiate true accusations. Are you up
for it?"
Clearly Earl isn't up for anything. As usual, he's running away from a
challenge while lying through his teeth that it's the challenger who's
running!
Why do you keep running away, dud?
you're such a sleaze bag Earl ..... and publicly demonstrating it too ....
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "duke" |
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15 Jun 2005 05:18:26 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:16:26 +1000, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why do you keep running away, dud?
you're such a sleaze bag Earl ..... and publicly demonstrating it too ....
I don't even call dud that.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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15 Jun 2005 05:50:50 PM |
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I notice you're still posting in this thread and very carefully
avoiding dealing with the challenge. Well, it's still waiting here and
all you're doing by avoiding it is proving I'm right and you're a
coward.
Here's the response you most recently ran away from:
Well, seeing as you keep running away from the biblical flood,
Since you accepted the rules, you need to support this assertion with
evidence or admit that it's a lie. Can you support this assertion with
evidence?
I'll go with you.
You wish. However, *this* thread is not the flood thread. You fled
the flood thread when you were overwhelmed with questions you either
didn't understand or could not honestly respond to without proving
yourself to be a liar.
If you wish to take up that topic, the flood thread is still out there,
where you fled from it on December 19th last year.
My last response in that same thread was on Xmas eve. So I'm the one
still waiting on you getting your cowardly ***** back in there to support
your assertions. Got it now? Before *that* thread can be restarted,
you have fifty unanswered questions to address that you've been running
from since they were assembled together in one thread
(http://tinyurl.com/6nla2) last october 23rd. You lasted only eight
days in that thread.
I opened a special flood edition of the "Why There Isn't a God" series
on New Year's eve (http://tinyurl.com/8vg67), and you couldn't stand
your ground for even one week in *that* one.
So what you need to do, Earl, to get back on the straight and narrow,
is to start facing the truth and start telling the truth about who is a
lying coward, running from 40 challenges in a month, and who is the one
standing ground, supporting assertions, and facing you down on a daily
basis. Even now, there's no evidence that you will take a stand and
support it.
However, whatever rules apply to me must apply to you. Deal?
You're the one who avoids the rules, not me. I've never avoided any
rules. I stayed bound by the rules in the thread "Discussing Duke's
Plagiarism Accusation" (http://tinyurl.com/6mf6m) despite your insults
and despite the fact that you accepted the rules and then abused every
single one.
Remember that thread, Earl, started on Valentine's eve, where you
lasted less than a week before you fled with your tail between your
legs?
I'm bound by the rules in this thread: that's why I'm here, asking you
to start supporting your assertions. So are we done with your straw
men and your patented prevarication? Are you going to take a position
support your assertions with evidence now?
Here's the subject line about god that you demanded:
Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel. Let's discuss
what God would think of someone who made false accusations of
plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would constitute
what's legally required to substantiate true accusations.
So let's hear it, Earl. Here's a handful of simple questions to get
you started. I've kept the number limited because we all know your
intellect (such as it is) can't handle more than you can count on the
fingers of one hand.
1. Would your god agree that an accusation of plagiarism (without
valid legal evidence to support it) was a lie, and constitutes libel?
Just what *would* your god think about a person who repeatedly accuses
someone else of plagiarism, when the accused has repeatedly
demonstrated innocence, and the accuser cannot offer evidence
independent of the parties involved to support his accusation? Would
your gosd think them a liar, or just mean-spirited?
2. If a person repeated accusations of plagiarism, claiming material
had been stolen from a book or some such publication, and was asked to
provide the name of the book, its author, publisher, etc., from which
the material was plagiarised, would your god want you to help the
requestor by providing the material? If not, why not?
3. In a court of law, when a Christian is under oath (to tell the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth "so help me God" sworn
on a Holy Bible), and they maintained that a person had plagiarised
material from a book or some such publication, what would they need to
produce in the way of evidence to support their testimony? If the
accuser had insisted the material was stolen from a book or some such
publication, wouldn't the accuser actually have to provide the name and
other details of the publication from which they claim the material was
plagiarised?
4. Does your god want you to bear false witness? I mean, if a person
accused of plagiarism has repeatedly asked the accuser to discuss it,
has repeatedly tried to explain why the accuser is making a false
accusation, has demonstrated why the accusation cannot possibly be
true, and the accuser has failed to support their accusation, would
your god want to accuser to admit he made a mistake and apologize, or
would your god want the accuser to continue to bear false witness in
the absence of evidence independent of the parties involved?
Budikka
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