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"Budikka666" |
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13 Jun 2005 04:43:39 PM |
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Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
On June 7th in thread "Why There Is no God - Parts 156-170 - The Why
Edition" in a.a. at 6:38pm (http://tinyurl.com/d3ubb) Earl Weber said,
"Pick one subject line on the bible or God, as I've offered to you many
times, and we will talk again. Why are you so afraid of discussion,
bud?"
Earl loves to prove himself a liar. Here he is lying about engaging in
discussion when the truth is that for over a year he's run from every
discussion I've offered him. Even more hilariously, he's also run form
every signle time I've accepted one of his challenges!
The most recent one was *precisely* what he asked for: one subject line
on the bible or God. Here's the offer I've been making him since April
30th (a week *before* he told his lie above):
"Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel. Let's discuss
what God would think of someone who made false accusations of
plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would constitute
what's legally required to substantiate true accusations. Are you up
for it?"
Clearly Earl isn't up for anything. As usual, he's running away from a
challenge while lying through his teeth that it's the challenger who's
running! I've offered him variations on this challenge **AT LEAST 40
TIMES** since April 30th, and he's run away every time. No surprises
there.
But why would he run away, you ask? He has no choice. The reason he
runs so fast and so far is that if he engaged in this particular
discussion it would provide yet mroe proof of what a lousy liar he is.
In order to desperately try to hide his phenomenal cowardice, he has to
lie even about his lies. But then that is what he does best.
And this is the lying liar who lies that he never lies in his messages
on Usenet!
Now we can all see how cowardly and hypocritical he truly is.
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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16 Jun 2005 04:54:23 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:13:53 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
To dberry, as the waters rose, the gravitational pull on the air would decrease
due to distance to the earth's center. Now what?
Guess you failed physics as well.
Duke, you want to know the difference in gravity between Bad Water
Flats, Death Valley (-282 feet below sea level) and the top of Mt.
Everest (29,002 feet)? Less than .001% You have to get up to about
60 miles for a significant drop in percveived gravity.
No problem. I'm not the one pushing the idea of high air pressure.
And the air's mass doesn't chage, genius. That column of moisture
laden air is still going to mass a great deal more than the drier air
we're used to today. You pre-Flood world would resemble Venus.
Not mine. I'm sitting here watching a bunch of atheists try to justify the
biblical flood.
Like Mt. Everest was more than a speed bump 4.5 billion years ago.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
16 Jun 2005 12:03:02 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:54:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:13:53 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
To dberry, as the waters rose, the gravitational pull on the air would decrease
due to distance to the earth's center. Now what?
Guess you failed physics as well.
Duke, you want to know the difference in gravity between Bad Water
Flats, Death Valley (-282 feet below sea level) and the top of Mt.
Everest (29,002 feet)? Less than .001% You have to get up to about
60 miles for a significant drop in percveived gravity.
No problem. I'm not the one pushing the idea of high air pressure.
No, you are the one who mentioned it. See that bit above? "To
dberry"? Those are your words.
And the air's mass doesn't chage, genius. That column of moisture
laden air is still going to mass a great deal more than the drier air
we're used to today. You pre-Flood world would resemble Venus.
Not mine. I'm sitting here watching a bunch of atheists try to justify the
biblical flood.
No, we're telling you why it's a stupid concept that is physically
impossible. Pointing out the inevitable effects of all that water.
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
Like Mt. Everest was more than a speed bump 4.5 billion years ago.
4.5 billion years ago? Earth hadn't cooled completely. Are you now
claiming the flood happened 4 billion years ago? Never mind that is a
bout 3.996 billion years older than the earliest known human fossils.
Of course, Mt. Ararat didn't exist until a few million years ago
either. So how could the ark have come to rest on its peak if the
flood happened that long ago?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "El Bleacho" |
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16 Jun 2005 12:11:49 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
4.5 billion years ago? Earth hadn't cooled completely. Are you now
claiming the flood happened 4 billion years ago? Never mind that is a
bout 3.996 billion years older than the earliest known human fossils.
Of course, Mt. Ararat didn't exist until a few million years ago
either. So how could the ark have come to rest on its peak if the
flood happened that long ago?
It has become apparent that this guy is a troll that is just fucking with
you and some of the others. Flood Geology is part of a greater theory,
called "recent-creation". Recent-creation theorists believe the earth is
10,000 years old in actual years; and billions of years old in "apparent
years". There are famous "recent-creation" theorists that have authored
books stating the overall views with regard to flood geology. The most
famous of these books is called "The Genesis Flood", and was published back
in the early 60's. No major Christian based religion subscribes to
"recent-creation" anymore, including the Roman Catholic Church, Anglican
Church. The Orthodox Jewish Temple does not subscribe to "recent-creation"
either. It's a small, fringe group. This idiot you are responding to does
not even know the foundation of recent-creation or flood geology. His
statements proved that. Just let him go - he is a troll and a moron (not
necessarily in that order).
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I am hung like Einstein;
and as smart as a horse!
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
16 Jun 2005 04:37:35 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:54:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
<snip>
Not mine. I'm sitting here watching a bunch of atheists try to
justify the biblical flood.
No, we're telling you why it's a stupid concept that is physically
impossible. Pointing out the inevitable effects of all that water.
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
Retreat is hardly the word. He will not even admit which side he believes
in. I can't find the message but a short time ago he stated that all the
worlds population came through a small number of people and it seemed clear
to me he was implying the flood was real.
But it's Thursday and we can't expect much from him, even compared to othre
times of the week.
Like Mt. Everest was more than a speed bump 4.5 billion years ago.
4.5 billion years ago? Earth hadn't cooled completely. Are you now
claiming the flood happened 4 billion years ago? Never mind that is a
bout 3.996 billion years older than the earliest known human fossils.
Of course, Mt. Ararat didn't exist until a few million years ago
either. So how could the ark have come to rest on its peak if the
flood happened that long ago?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
16 Jun 2005 05:56:56 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:37:35 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
Retreat is hardly the word. He will not even admit which side he believes
in.
No one knows, mikey. Are you getting it yet?
I can't find the message but a short time ago he stated that all the
worlds population came through a small number of people and it seemed clear
to me he was implying the flood was real.
Wow, you're drinking bad whiskey now, mikey.
But, seeing as you are a twit confused, I assume you're referring to A&E being
the parents of all humankind. My, oh, my, but you get facts and figures
confused in the tiny spaces between your ears very easily, don't you.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
16 Jun 2005 07:10:14 PM |
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In article <hm04b1h7pu2jpsr58ljlbfq9qjt99mlh5c@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:37:35 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
Retreat is hardly the word. He will not even admit which side he believes
in.
No one knows, mikey. Are you getting it yet?
I can't find the message but a short time ago he stated that all the
worlds population came through a small number of people and it seemed clear
to me he was implying the flood was real.
Wow, you're drinking bad whiskey now, mikey.
But, seeing as you are a twit confused, I assume you're referring to A&E being
the parents of all humankind. My, oh, my, but you get facts and figures
confused in the tiny spaces between your ears very easily, don't you.
I assume if we are talking about The Flood, then "small number of people"
refers to the Arkonauts. You can argue that the Bible doesn't say that
Adam and Eve were the only first folks, but the Bible certainly does
force mankind to have gone through an extremely tiny genetic bottleneck:
the crew of the Ark.
Generally, reducing the gene pool of a species to this tiny a number is
a recipe for disaster.
-- cary
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| User: "duke" |
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17 Jun 2005 05:46:46 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:10:14 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
No one knows, mikey. Are you getting it yet?
I can't find the message but a short time ago he stated that all the
worlds population came through a small number of people and it seemed clear
to me he was implying the flood was real.
Wow, you're drinking bad whiskey now, mikey.
But, seeing as you are a twit confused, I assume you're referring to A&E being
the parents of all humankind. My, oh, my, but you get facts and figures
confused in the tiny spaces between your ears very easily, don't you.
I assume if we are talking about The Flood, then "small number of people"
refers to the Arkonauts. You can argue that the Bible doesn't say that
Adam and Eve were the only first folks, but the Bible certainly does
force mankind to have gone through an extremely tiny genetic bottleneck:
the crew of the Ark.
Hey, actually God said we go back to Adam and Eve.
Generally, reducing the gene pool of a species to this tiny a number is
a recipe for disaster.
Well, it clearly shows in you, cary.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
17 Jun 2005 08:02:42 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:akk6b19duvajnqoaeoh81ddlamp171r9ns@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:10:14 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
No one knows, mikey. Are you getting it yet?
I can't find the message but a short time ago he stated that all the
worlds population came through a small number of people and it seemed
clear
to me he was implying the flood was real.
Wow, you're drinking bad whiskey now, mikey.
But, seeing as you are a twit confused, I assume you're referring to A&E
being
the parents of all humankind. My, oh, my, but you get facts and
figures
confused in the tiny spaces between your ears very easily, don't you.
I assume if we are talking about The Flood, then "small number of people"
refers to the Arkonauts. You can argue that the Bible doesn't say that
Adam and Eve were the only first folks, but the Bible certainly does
force mankind to have gone through an extremely tiny genetic bottleneck:
the crew of the Ark.
Hey, actually God said we go back to Adam and Eve.
God didn't say anything Earl, never has..never will!
Generally, reducing the gene pool of a species to this tiny a number is
a recipe for disaster.
Well, it clearly shows in you, cary.
Why "Puke", no rational comment on his reply?
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| User: "duke" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:02:00 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:02:42 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey, actually God said we go back to Adam and Eve.
God didn't say anything Earl, never has..never will!
Sure he did.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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18 Jun 2005 05:26:36 AM |
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Chicken Gumbo Lied:
Hey, actually God said we go back to Adam and Eve.
You need to back that up with EVIDENCE, Chicken Gumbo, just like you
told me.
First you need to supply evidence there even was a god, then you need
to supply evidence (other than Bible myth) that he said what you claim
he said. Since you failed in the first part, no one expects you to do
anything but run from this.
So why don't we get back to the topic this thread is about, Chicken
Gumbo? The topic **YOU** demanded? The topic I challenged you on
**forty** times before this thread started, and from which you've run
**OVER FIFTY TIMES** in this very thread where you agreed to discuss it
and you and I agreed on the rules - discuss the topic, support your
assertions with evidence?
Is your cowardice born of the fact that you know full well that the
instant you begin to discuss this, it will prove that you've been lying
for seven months?
Here it is again: Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel.
Let's discuss what God would think of someone who made false
accusations of plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would
constitute what's legally required to substantiate true accusations.
Budikka
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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20 Jun 2005 12:52:42 PM |
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In article <akk6b19duvajnqoaeoh81ddlamp171r9ns@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:10:14 +0000 (UTC), (Cary
Kittrell) wrote:
No one knows, mikey. Are you getting it yet?
I can't find the message but a short time ago he stated that all the
worlds population came through a small number of people and it seemed clear
to me he was implying the flood was real.
Wow, you're drinking bad whiskey now, mikey.
But, seeing as you are a twit confused, I assume you're referring to A&E being
the parents of all humankind. My, oh, my, but you get facts and figures
confused in the tiny spaces between your ears very easily, don't you.
I assume if we are talking about The Flood, then "small number of people"
refers to the Arkonauts. You can argue that the Bible doesn't say that
Adam and Eve were the only first folks, but the Bible certainly does
force mankind to have gone through an extremely tiny genetic bottleneck:
the crew of the Ark.
Hey, actually God said we go back to Adam and Eve.
That depends on which particular holder of the One and Only Indisputable
Truth of the Holy Scriptures you listen to. Quite a few fundamentalists
get around the question of whether it was Adam fucking his daughters, Eve fucking
her sons, or the sons and daughters fucking one another by saying that Adam
and Eve were not the only humans created by God.
What's your best guess?
-- cary
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| User: "duke" |
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16 Jun 2005 05:52:54 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:03:02 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:54:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:13:53 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
To dberry, as the waters rose, the gravitational pull on the air would decrease
due to distance to the earth's center. Now what?
Guess you failed physics as well.
Duke, you want to know the difference in gravity between Bad Water
Flats, Death Valley (-282 feet below sea level) and the top of Mt.
Everest (29,002 feet)? Less than .001% You have to get up to about
60 miles for a significant drop in percveived gravity.
No problem. I'm not the one pushing the idea of high air pressure.
No, you are the one who mentioned it. See that bit above? "To
dberry"? Those are your words.
Of course, and decreased pull of gravity reduces air pressure. Don't you get it
yet.
Besides, if the outer diameter of the earth's air was fixed, and the diameter
of the surface was increased, then yes, the air pressure would rise due to the
squeezing effect. However, with no restriction on the outer diameter, the
earth's outer atmosphere would move outward. The annulus of the air mass would
increase in volume for a fixed volume of air which would thereby reduce the air
pressure.
You blew this one badly, berry. Never as a false geologist mess around with a
superior engineer. Better luck next time.
And the air's mass doesn't chage, genius. That column of moisture
laden air is still going to mass a great deal more than the drier air
we're used to today. You pre-Flood world would resemble Venus.
Not mine. I'm sitting here watching a bunch of atheists try to justify the
biblical flood.
No, we're telling you why it's a stupid concept that is physically
impossible. Pointing out the inevitable effects of all that water.
You've got a long way to go berry.
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
Yet I have gone any where's.
Like Mt. Everest was more than a speed bump 4.5 billion years ago.
4.5 billion years ago? Earth hadn't cooled completely. Are you now
claiming the flood happened 4 billion years ago? Never mind that is a
bout 3.996 billion years older than the earliest known human fossils.
Read my lips berry. The earth's age is 4.5 billion years, nominally. Sometimes
in the last 4.5 billion years, the flood did or did not happen. No one knows.
And everyone knows that the surface conditions on the earth were not always as
they are not. Mt. Everest was at one time a speed bump.
Get with the program.
Of course, Mt. Ararat didn't exist until a few million years ago
either. So how could the ark have come to rest on its peak if the
flood happened that long ago?
When, pray tell, did the flood occur? You have an answer? Nope, no one does -
it was just sometimes in the last 4.5 billion years, if it happened at all.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Jun 2005 08:18:05 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:52:54 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:03:02 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
No, you are the one who mentioned it. See that bit above? "To
dberry"? Those are your words.
Of course, and decreased pull of gravity reduces air pressure. Don't you get it
yet.
Except that covering the Earth with water wouldn't decrease gravity or
air pressure. The same mass of air would be present, and even at
30,000 feet G is still 10m/sec^2 You have to get up to almost the
edge of space for a significant drop in perceived gravity.
Besides, if the outer diameter of the earth's air was fixed, and the diameter
of the surface was increased, then yes, the air pressure would rise due to the
squeezing effect. However, with no restriction on the outer diameter, the
earth's outer atmosphere would move outward. The annulus of the air mass would
increase in volume for a fixed volume of air which would thereby reduce the air
pressure.
The same mass of air is still there. So surface pressure at sea level
would remain constant.
You blew this one badly, berry. Never as a false geologist mess around with a
superior engineer. Better luck next time.
Where did you go to school? I don't believe you're an engineer.
No, we're telling you why it's a stupid concept that is physically
impossible. Pointing out the inevitable effects of all that water.
You've got a long way to go berry.
Not really. And do me a favor and capitalize my name.
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
Yet I have gone any where's.
"any where's" Well, we know you weren't an English major.
You haven't directly addressed a single point yet. So much for you
desire to debate.
Like Mt. Everest was more than a speed bump 4.5 billion years ago.
4.5 billion years ago? Earth hadn't cooled completely. Are you now
claiming the flood happened 4 billion years ago? Never mind that is a
bout 3.996 billion years older than the earliest known human fossils.
Read my lips berry. The earth's age is 4.5 billion years, nominally. Sometimes
in the last 4.5 billion years, the flood did or did not happen. No one knows.
And everyone knows that the surface conditions on the earth were not always as
they are not. Mt. Everest was at one time a speed bump.
Get with the program.
Of course, Mt. Ararat didn't exist until a few million years ago
either. So how could the ark have come to rest on its peak if the
flood happened that long ago?
When, pray tell, did the flood occur? You have an answer? Nope, no one does -
it was just sometimes in the last 4.5 billion years, if it happened at all.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "duke" |
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17 Jun 2005 06:02:12 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:18:05 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
No, you are the one who mentioned it. See that bit above? "To
dberry"? Those are your words.
Of course, and decreased pull of gravity reduces air pressure. Don't you get it
yet.
Except that covering the Earth with water wouldn't decrease gravity or
air pressure. The same mass of air would be present, and even at
30,000 feet G is still 10m/sec^2 You have to get up to almost the
edge of space for a significant drop in perceived gravity.
Besides, if the outer diameter of the earth's air was fixed, and the diameter
of the surface was increased, then yes, the air pressure would rise due to the
squeezing effect. However, with no restriction on the outer diameter, the
earth's outer atmosphere would move outward. The annulus of the air mass would
increase in volume for a fixed volume of air which would thereby reduce the air
pressure.
The same mass of air is still there. So surface pressure at sea level
would remain constant.
But the volume of atmosphere containing the same mass is greater. Hence a
reduced air pressure.
You're going nowhere's, geologist.
You blew this one badly, berry. Never as a false geologist mess around with a
superior engineer. Better luck next time.
Where did you go to school? I don't believe you're an engineer.
You're going to have to address my fixed mass/greater volume to say that.
No, we're telling you why it's a stupid concept that is physically
impossible. Pointing out the inevitable effects of all that water.
You've got a long way to go berry.
Not really. And do me a favor and capitalize my name.
I don't mine, I don't yours or any body's.
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
Yet I have gone any where's.
"any where's" Well, we know you weren't an English major.
Absolutely not. We know you're not a geologist.
You haven't directly addressed a single point yet. So much for you
desire to debate.
If you think that, my explanations are over your head.
Like Mt. Everest was more than a speed bump 4.5 billion years ago.
4.5 billion years ago? Earth hadn't cooled completely. Are you now
claiming the flood happened 4 billion years ago? Never mind that is a
bout 3.996 billion years older than the earliest known human fossils.
Read my lips berry. The earth's age is 4.5 billion years, nominally. Sometimes
in the last 4.5 billion years, the flood did or did not happen. No one knows.
And everyone knows that the surface conditions on the earth were not always as
they are not. Mt. Everest was at one time a speed bump.
Get with the program.
Of course, Mt. Ararat didn't exist until a few million years ago
either. So how could the ark have come to rest on its peak if the
flood happened that long ago?
When, pray tell, did the flood occur? You have an answer? Nope, no one does -
it was just sometimes in the last 4.5 billion years, if it happened at all.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
18 Jun 2005 05:48:00 AM |
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Chicken Gumbo Lied
But the volume of atmosphere containing the same mass is greater. Hence a
reduced air pressure.
Since I posted this on June 14th, that means you plagiarised it from
me. You need to repost this message and credit me with that
observation.
But as Mike clarified, the decrease in air pressure would not make as
much difference as the massive decrease precipitated by the
precipitation of all that water sitting on top of the firmament. I
notice you still haven't addressed that issue: the issue of how Noah
and his family managed to survive under an air pressure equivalent to
some two to five miles of water, and why they didn't get nitrogen bends
when the pressure decreased.
When you've done that, shall we get back to the topic this thread is
about, Chicken Gumbo? The topic **YOU** demanded? The topic I
challenged you on **forty** times before this thread started, and from
which you've run **OVER FIFTY TIMES** in this very thread where you
agreed to discuss it and you and I agreed on the rules - discuss the
topic, support your assertions with evidence?
Is your cowardice born of the fact that you know full well that the
instant you begin to discuss this, it will prove that you've been lying
for seven months?
Here it is again: Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel.
Let's discuss what God would think of someone who made false
accusations of plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would
constitute what's legally required to substantiate true accusations.
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:20:22 AM |
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On 18 Jun 2005 03:48:00 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
But the volume of atmosphere containing the same mass is greater. Hence a
reduced air pressure.
Since I posted this on June 14th, that means you plagiarised it from
me. You need to repost this message and credit me with that
observation.
But as Mike clarified, the decrease in air pressure would not make as
much difference as the massive decrease precipitated by the
precipitation of all that water sitting on top of the firmament.
Most of the water came from beneath. You haven't addressed the annulus comment
yet.
I
notice you still haven't addressed that issue: the issue of how Noah
and his family managed to survive under an air pressure equivalent to
some two to five miles of water, and why they didn't get nitrogen bends
when the pressure decreased.
The air pressure decreased during the flood, not increased.
The only way for it to rain for 40 days and nights is due to low pressure, not
high pressure. That's straight science.
The annulus comment of mine demands low pressure. The reduced gravity demands
low pressure. And low pressure demands rain.
dud and berry are dead in the waterless atmosphere.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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19 Jun 2005 06:15:06 AM |
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Chicken Gumbo Lied:
Most of the water came from beneath.
You need to back that up with EVIDENCE, Chicken Gumbo, just like you
told me.
Budikka
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Jun 2005 09:43:25 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:02:12 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:18:05 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The same mass of air is still there. So surface pressure at sea level
would remain constant.
But the volume of atmosphere containing the same mass is greater. Hence a
reduced air pressure.
By raising the sea level a tiny amount? Hardly. Would you like the
math? Can you even understand it?
You're going nowhere's, geologist.
"nowhere's"?
Where did you go to school? I don't believe you're an engineer.
You're going to have to address my fixed mass/greater volume to say that.
I just did. The ever-so-slight increase in volume would make no
difference in pressure at sea level. Adding gigatons of water vapor
to the atmosphere would have an amazing effect.
Not really. And do me a favor and capitalize my name.
I don't mine, I don't yours or any body's.
That should be "your's" and "anybody's"
And it's common English usage, Earl.
Absolutely not. We know you're not a geologist.
My offer to compare diplomas still stands.
You haven't directly addressed a single point yet. So much for you
desire to debate.
If you think that, my explanations are over your head.
Far under my feet actually. You haven't made a single scientific
point.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "duke" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:13:10 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:43:25 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
But the volume of atmosphere containing the same mass is greater. Hence a
reduced air pressure.
By raising the sea level a tiny amount? Hardly. Would you like the
math? Can you even understand it?
Hey, you said 28,000 feet min. Go for it. Calculate the outer annulus volume.
You're going nowhere's, geologist.
"nowhere's"?
spell checker demand.
Where did you go to school? I don't believe you're an engineer.
You're going to have to address my fixed mass/greater volume to say that.
I just did. The ever-so-slight increase in volume would make no
difference in pressure at sea level. Adding gigatons of water vapor
to the atmosphere would have an amazing effect.
Not an answer. Try again. Can't add gigatons above 100% RH.
Why has mikey dropped out? Answer - he doesn't know anything but scuba diving.
Not really. And do me a favor and capitalize my name.
I don't mine, I don't yours or any body's.
That should be "your's" and "anybody's"
And it's common English usage, Earl.
Quit stalling and get back to the flood.
Absolutely not. We know you're not a geologist.
My offer to compare diplomas still stands.
Empty offer.
You haven't directly addressed a single point yet. So much for you
desire to debate.
If you think that, my explanations are over your head.
Far under my feet actually. You haven't made a single scientific
point.
For a geologist that doesn't know about continental drift, don't push your luck.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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17 Jun 2005 07:40:22 AM |
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duke wrote:
To dberry, as the waters rose, the gravitational pull on the air would decrease
due to distance to the earth's center. Now what?
Guess you failed physics as well.
Duke, you want to know the difference in gravity between Bad Water
Flats, Death Valley (-282 feet below sea level) and the top of Mt.
Everest (29,002 feet)? Less than .001% You have to get up to about
60 miles for a significant drop in percveived gravity.
No problem. I'm not the one pushing the idea of high air pressure.
No, you are the one who mentioned it. See that bit above? "To
dberry"? Those are your words.
Of course, and decreased pull of gravity reduces air pressure. Don't you get it
yet.
the gravitational decrease would have had a negligible effect on Air
Pressure ....can't you see that ? .....
Besides, if the outer diameter of the earth's air was fixed, and the diameter
of the surface was increased, then yes, the air pressure would rise due to the
squeezing effect. However, with no restriction on the outer diameter, the
earth's outer atmosphere would move outward. The annulus of the air mass would
increase in volume for a fixed volume of air which would thereby reduce the air
pressure.
Ok, so we've got reduced Air Pressure ..... where are the Oxygen masks ?
You blew this one badly, berry. Never as a false geologist mess around with a
superior engineer. Better luck next time.
Superior Engineer ?! ROFLMAO ....... you're not even an Engineer's
arsehole ....
And the air's mass doesn't chage, genius. That column of moisture
laden air is still going to mass a great deal more than the drier air
we're used to today. You pre-Flood world would resemble Venus.
Not mine. I'm sitting here watching a bunch of atheists try to justify the
biblical flood.
No, we're telling you why it's a stupid concept that is physically
impossible. Pointing out the inevitable effects of all that water.
You've got a long way to go berry.
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
Yet I have gone any where's.
Oh dear ... better lay off the drink Earl ..... you're getting
incoherent ....
Like Mt. Everest was more than a speed bump 4.5 billion years ago.
4.5 billion years ago? Earth hadn't cooled completely. Are you now
claiming the flood happened 4 billion years ago? Never mind that is a
bout 3.996 billion years older than the earliest known human fossils.
Read my lips berry. The earth's age is 4.5 billion years, nominally. Sometimes
in the last 4.5 billion years, the flood did or did not happen. No one knows.
And everyone knows that the surface conditions on the earth were not always as
they are not. Mt. Everest was at one time a speed bump.
Get with the program.
Earl.... the Flood MUST have happened sometime in RECENT history, if it
happened at all ..... I'm sure even you have to admit that Boat Building
Humans must have been around at the time ........ therefore Mt. Everest
could not possibly have been a 'speed bump' when it happened .....
Your program seems to be faulty ..... that's why we're not with it ....
Of course, Mt. Ararat didn't exist until a few million years ago
either. So how could the ark have come to rest on its peak if the
flood happened that long ago?
When, pray tell, did the flood occur? You have an answer? Nope, no one does -
it was just sometimes in the last 4.5 billion years, if it happened at all.
So fucking stupid it's painful to watch ...... see above ......
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "duke" |
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17 Jun 2005 05:53:28 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:40:22 +1000, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:
Duke, you want to know the difference in gravity between Bad Water
Flats, Death Valley (-282 feet below sea level) and the top of Mt.
Everest (29,002 feet)? Less than .001% You have to get up to about
60 miles for a significant drop in percveived gravity.
No problem. I'm not the one pushing the idea of high air pressure.
No, you are the one who mentioned it. See that bit above? "To
dberry"? Those are your words.
Of course, and decreased pull of gravity reduces air pressure. Don't you get it
yet.
the gravitational decrease would have had a negligible effect on Air
Pressure ....can't you see that ? .....
BUT, it would form part of the overall decrease.
Ok, so we've got reduced Air Pressure ..... where are the Oxygen masks ?
Didn't go down that much.
You blew this one badly, berry. Never as a false geologist mess around with a
superior engineer. Better luck next time.
Superior Engineer ?! ROFLMAO ....... you're not even an Engineer's
arsehole ....
Sure I am.
And the air's mass doesn't chage, genius. That column of moisture
laden air is still going to mass a great deal more than the drier air
we're used to today. You pre-Flood world would resemble Venus.
Not mine. I'm sitting here watching a bunch of atheists try to justify the
biblical flood.
No, we're telling you why it's a stupid concept that is physically
impossible. Pointing out the inevitable effects of all that water.
You've got a long way to go berry.
You are the one who said you would debate things, yet when faced with
an actual challenge, you retreat.
I'm discussing at **exactly** the same level you are.
Yet I have gone any where's.
Oh dear ... better lay off the drink Earl ..... you're getting
incoherent ....
Gosh, that darn spell checker.
Like Mt. Everest was more than a speed bump 4.5 billion years ago.
4.5 billion years ago? Earth hadn't cooled completely. Are you now
claiming the flood happened 4 billion years ago? Never mind that is a
bout 3.996 billion years older than the earliest known human fossils.
Read my lips berry. The earth's age is 4.5 billion years, nominally. Sometimes
in the last 4.5 billion years, the flood did or did not happen. No one knows.
And everyone knows that the surface conditions on the earth were not always as
they are not. Mt. Everest was at one time a speed bump.
Get with the program.
Earl.... the Flood MUST have happened sometime in RECENT history, if it
happened at all .....
The only date we can safely gauge is that the earth's crust had cooled and
solidified to some minor amount.
I'm sure even you have to admit that Boat Building
Humans must have been around at the time ........ therefore Mt. Everest
could not possibly have been a 'speed bump' when it happened .....
You're trying to hang your hat on the "missing link". Get with the program.
Your program seems to be faulty ..... that's why we're not with it ....
Of course, Mt. Ararat didn't exist until a few million years ago
either. So how could the ark have come to rest on its peak if the
flood happened that long ago?
When, pray tell, did the flood occur? You have an answer? Nope, no one does -
it was just sometimes in the last 4.5 billion years, if it happened at all.
So fucking stupid it's painful to watch ...... see above ......
Sorry, bubba, but you desperately trying to hang the date of the
hypothetical/real flood to the recent past. And that ain't what the bible says.
Try again.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
18 Jun 2005 05:31:01 AM |
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Chicken Gumbo Lied:
Gosh, that darn spell checker.
There's a lot more wrong with you than a spellchecker could ever fix.
Your cowardice is the first thing that stands out.
So why don't we get back to the topic this thread is about, Chicken
Gumbo? The topic **YOU** demanded? The topic I challenged you on
**forty** times before this thread started, and from which you've run
**OVER FIFTY TIMES** in this very thread where you agreed to discuss it
and you and I agreed on the rules - discuss the topic, support your
assertions with evidence?
Is your cowardice born of the fact that you know full well that the
instant you begin to discuss this, it will prove that you've been lying
for seven months?
Here it is again: Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel.
Let's discuss what God would think of someone who made false
accusations of plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would
constitute what's legally required to substantiate true accusations.
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
18 Jun 2005 07:04:30 AM |
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On 18 Jun 2005 03:31:01 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Chicken Gumbo Lied:
Gosh, that darn spell checker.
There's a lot more wrong with you than a spellchecker could ever fix.
Your cowardice is the first thing that stands out.
So why don't we get back to the topic this thread is about, Chicken
Gumbo? The topic **YOU** demanded? The topic I challenged you on
**forty** times before this thread started, and from which you've run
**OVER FIFTY TIMES** in this very thread where you agreed to discuss it
and you and I agreed on the rules - discuss the topic, support your
assertions with evidence?
Is your cowardice born of the fact that you know full well that the
instant you begin to discuss this, it will prove that you've been lying
for seven months?
Here it is again: Let's discuss the issue of what God thinks of libel.
Let's discuss what God would think of someone who made false
accusations of plagiarism and let's discuss what God might think would
constitute what's legally required to substantiate true accusations.
Budikka
dud, when you get control of yourself, start acting rationally and calmly, and
under a nice new thread with one (1) subject and no insults, I'll be glad to
discuss a subject with you.
I say you are too out of control for such calmness.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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19 Jun 2005 06:26:56 AM |
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Chicken Gumbo Lied
under a nice new thread with one (1) subject and no insults, I'll be glad to
discuss a subject with you.
Done. So where are you? Too chicken gumbo to deal with the thing you
asked for **AGAIN**?
You asked for a thread on the flood - I kicked you ***** all over Usenet,
and you're **STILL** running from the questions.
You asked for a thread on plagiarism - I kicked you ***** all over
Usenet, and you're **STILL** running from the questions.
You asked for a thread on god and libel - I kicked you ***** all over
Usenet, and you're **STILL** running from the questions.
Now here's the new thread. It's been out there since yesterday and
you're too chicken to deal with it. I even gave you the URL:
http://tinyurl.com/7hx75
Any time you find the guts, I'm waiting for you in all of those threads
to actually **DISCUSS** the topics (note, "discuss" means staying
there, addressing issues raised, providing scientific evidence or
rational argument in support of your assertions, etc. Get it now?)
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
19 Jun 2005 05:23:21 PM |
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On 19 Jun 2005 04:26:56 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
under a nice new thread with one (1) subject and no insults, I'll be glad to
discuss a subject with you.
Done. So where are you? Too chicken gumbo to deal with the thing you
asked for **AGAIN**?
Nah, you're still too crude, dud. You need to clean it up to get a debate.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
19 Jun 2005 06:01:06 PM |
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Chicken Gumbo Lied:
Nah, you're still too crude, dud. You need to clean it up to get a debate.
Yet another lie from the liar who lies that he never lies!
I cleaned it up in the Noahic flood thread. What did Chicken Gumbo do?
**YOU RAN AWAY**
I cleaned it up in the Plagiarism thread. What did Chicken Gumbo do?
**YOU RAN AWAY**
I cleaned it up at the start of this thread. What did Chicken Gumbo
do? **YOU RAN AWAY** over one hundred times!!!!!!
It's clean right now in the Chicken Gumbo thread. What did Chicken
Gumbo do? **YOU RAN AWAY**
Your lies can't save you any more, Chicken. No one believes a word you
say to begin with. You lose.
Budikka
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
20 Jun 2005 04:54:42 AM |
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When you've overcome your chronic addiction to lies, cowardice,
braggartry and hypocrisy, we can discuss why you're so pathetically
frightened of me.
Budikka
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
18 Jun 2005 03:41:36 PM |
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Chicken Gumbo Lied
when you get control of yourself,
start acting rationally and calmly, and
under a nice new thread with one (1)
subject and no insults, I'll be glad to
discuss a subject with you.
Been there done that. Remember the thread "Discussing Duke's
Plagiarism Accusation" (http://tinyurl.com/9tdvz) started on Feb 13
this year at *your* request? During the entire time that thread was in
operation (before you ran away from it as usual), I never insulted you
once in that thread or anywhere else on Usenet.
Did you discuss rationally?
No.
Did you discuss at all?
No.
Did you refrain from insulting me?
No.
Did you follow the rules?
No.
Did you support your assertions?
No!
So we've twice proven you a liar - once in that thread and again in
this thread, where I never insulted you until you proved once again
what a pathetic little liar and coward you are.
Yet despite the absence of insults when I first started posting in this
thread that *you* demanded and we agreed (on only two rules), you
insulted me, you avoided the issue, you broke the rules and you failed
dismally.
In other words, you're a pathetic little hypocritical liar, and no
amount of your absurd straw men, evasions, and prevarication will hide
it.
But since you've now made this offer on Usenet in front of witnesses,
go visit: http://tinyurl.com/7hx75 where the topic that you've now fled
from well over **ONE HUNDRED TIMES** is open in its own thread, waiting
for you to avoid, evade and flee from - again. No insults in that
thread, just the topic **YOU** demanded we discuss. So either discuss
it there, or **MY LAWYER WILL BE CONTACTING YOU**.
(ever heard of FactFinders Inc, Earl? Look 'em up in your Baton Rouge
phone book. We'll find you and when we do, you'll be summonsed to a
court of law where your endless parade of prevarication, evasion and
lies won't impress anyone).
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
19 Jun 2005 07:18:19 AM |
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On 18 Jun 2005 13:41:36 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
when you get control of yourself,
start acting rationally and calmly, and
under a nice new thread with one (1)
subject and no insults, I'll be glad to
discuss a subject with you.
Been there done that.
Whenever you're ready, dud.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Earl J. Weber Running Scared!! |
19 Jun 2005 07:37:17 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:aioab152i575ijmgjljsn4m2greo4loujd@4ax.com...
On 18 Jun 2005 13:41:36 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
when you get control of yourself,
start acting rationally and calmly, and
under a nice new thread with one (1)
subject and no insults, I'll be glad to
discuss a subject with you.
Been there done that.
Whenever you're ready, dud.
You talk a big game Puke, but that's all you do.
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