Religions > Atheism > Ear’s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
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Ear’s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
By David Brown
The Washington Post
Updated: 12:54 a.m. ET Jan. 19, 2006
Question: What do you do with half an ear?
Answer: You breathe through it.
That's the conclusion reached by a pair of researchers who say they have
found a fossil "snapshot" of the ear partway through its evolution to
its current form.
The structure that became the sound-conducting middle ear of land
animals began as a tube that permitted ancient shallow-water fish to
take an occasional breath of air out of the top of their heads -- at
least according to Martin D. Brazeau and Per E. Ahlberg of Uppsala
University, in Sweden.
Their conclusion is controversial, as it amounts to a radical
reinterpretation of how the ear developed in land-based animals. If it
withstands scientific scrutiny, the fossil will be a rare example of an
organ glimpsed partway along its evolutionary path, at a point when its
function was very different from that of its final form.
Opponents of evolution say such "intermediate forms" should rarely, if
ever, exist. They contend that many anatomical structures are too
complicated to have evolved step by step. Instead, they had to have been
created in their final form.
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an important
point in evolution."
Brazeau and Ahlberg examined the fossilized skull of Panderichthys , a
fish about four feet long that lived in the Upper Devonian period about
380 million years ago. It was an intermediate creature between earlier
lobe-finned fishes and true "tetrapods," or four-limbed animals.
The specimen they studied was unearthed in Latvia in the 1970s and
resides in a museum in Riga. Previous studies of the skull were done
before all the rock encasing it was removed. Looking at it in its
less-obstructed form, Brazeau said they noticed two things.
First, a bony channel leading to a hole in the skull called the spiracle
was much wider and straighter than in more primitive fish. Second, a
bone called the hyomandibula was much shorter and stubbier.
The spiracle is a modified gill slit. Sharks and rays have them on the
top of their skulls behind their eyes. They use it for respiration while
feeding on the bottom to avoid drawing grit into their gills. Uppsala
researchers believe Panderichthys did the same thing.
"This fish probably lived on the bottom, probably in shallow water. It
was almost a crocodile-like fish," Brazeau said. "It may have inhaled
and exhaled through this passageway. It may, in fact, have breathed air
through it occasionally."
Paleontologists have known for a long time that the hyomandibula --
which helps suspend the jaw in fish -- evolved into the stapes, or
"stirrup bone," that helps transmit sound vibrations in the middle ear
in reptiles, birds and mammals.
When Brazeau and Ahlberg measured this bone in Panderichthys, they
discovered it was much shorter than in earlier fish. It also was not
directly connected to the jaw joint. It appeared to be in the middle of
moving to a different part of the skull where it would become an ear
bone -- a migration that would take tens of millions of years to
complete.
"This stage sets up the skull and makes it possible for this region to
be modified into a middle ear. The interesting thing is that at this
point it appears to have nothing to do with hearing," Brazeau said.
Only when the fish's descendants became land-based and breathed through
their mouths and nostrils was this passageway "free" to evolve into a
sensory organ, he said.
There are serious doubters of this interpretation of the fossil,
however.
Michael LaBarbera, a professor of organismal biology and anatomy at the
University of Chicago, is an expert in the functional anatomy of extinct
animal. He isn't certain that the key structure that Brazeau and Ahlberg
say is a spiracle is, in fact, one.
Their theory is "based on the interpretation of a structure that would
be completely novel and unprecedented in this lineage," he said. And
he's not convinced.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
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20 Jan 2006 01:39:08 AM |
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In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
By David Brown
The Washington Post
Updated: 12:54 a.m. ET Jan. 19, 2006
Question: What do you do with half an ear?
Answer: You breathe through it.
Opponents of evolution say such "intermediate forms" should rarely, if
ever, exist. They contend that many anatomical structures are too
complicated to have evolved step by step. Instead, they had to have been
created in their final form.
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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22 Jan 2006 12:17:29 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:39:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
[]
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their imaginary
swamp mist.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
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| Title: Re: Ear’s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
23 Jan 2006 12:49:29 AM |
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In article <90j7t1hsnbm68elk10oicn38dghorpkat0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:39:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
[]
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent like
monkeys.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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23 Jan 2006 11:13:53 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <90j7t1hsnbm68elk10oicn38dghorpkat0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:39:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
[]
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
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24 Jan 2006 01:41:07 AM |
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In article <2m3at1p6dvv5jeofri3ag606jmm9sf3lh1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <90j7t1hsnbm68elk10oicn38dghorpkat0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:39:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
[]
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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24 Jan 2006 12:03:30 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:41:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <2m3at1p6dvv5jeofri3ag606jmm9sf3lh1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <90j7t1hsnbm68elk10oicn38dghorpkat0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:39:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
[]
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
Dayum, you're optimistic.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
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25 Jan 2006 12:20:02 AM |
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In article <2vqct1llmhqgn6i56rfhu0eaoovi9v2td2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:41:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <2m3at1p6dvv5jeofri3ag606jmm9sf3lh1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <90j7t1hsnbm68elk10oicn38dghorpkat0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:39:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
[]
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at
the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an
important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
Dayum, you're optimistic.
Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all the
good it would do them.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Ear’s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
25 Jan 2006 12:00:41 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:20:02 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <2vqct1llmhqgn6i56rfhu0eaoovi9v2td2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:41:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <2m3at1p6dvv5jeofri3ag606jmm9sf3lh1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <90j7t1hsnbm68elk10oicn38dghorpkat0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:39:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
[]
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology at
the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an
important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
Dayum, you're optimistic.
Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all the
good it would do them.
Exactly. "Screw up a perfectly Divine Plan just for less than pond
scum?"
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
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| Title: Re: Ear’s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
26 Jan 2006 12:31:38 AM |
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In article <t4fft1lv5t3gah29hv5f4tbgjnb2va8npo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:20:02 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <2vqct1llmhqgn6i56rfhu0eaoovi9v2td2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:41:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <2m3at1p6dvv5jeofri3ag606jmm9sf3lh1@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <90j7t1hsnbm68elk10oicn38dghorpkat0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:39:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <necvs1d968dfm0re2g4rsh0fa65msh4ejf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear’s evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
[]
"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in
my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology
at
the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an
important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their
imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
Dayum, you're optimistic.
Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all the
good it would do them.
Exactly. "Screw up a perfectly Divine Plan just for less than pond
scum?"
True. Even bacteria look down on them.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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26 Jan 2006 11:12:03 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:31:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <t4fft1lv5t3gah29hv5f4tbgjnb2va8npo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:20:02 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view, in
my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of zoology
at
the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an
important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their
imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
Dayum, you're optimistic.
Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all the
good it would do them.
Exactly. "Screw up a perfectly Divine Plan just for less than pond
scum?"
True. Even bacteria look down on them.
Why not? After all, they're much more educated, intelligent, and
courageous.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
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| Title: Re: Ear?s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
28 Jan 2006 01:48:06 AM |
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In article <cl0it15kb38empn50b3e04e16kpt824tbr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:31:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <t4fft1lv5t3gah29hv5f4tbgjnb2va8npo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:20:02 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view,
in
my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of
zoology
at
the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an
important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their
imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent
like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
Dayum, you're optimistic.
Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all the
good it would do them.
Exactly. "Screw up a perfectly Divine Plan just for less than pond
scum?"
True. Even bacteria look down on them.
Why not? After all, they're much more educated, intelligent, and
courageous.
And have ethical standards.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| Title: Re: Ear?s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
28 Jan 2006 09:52:23 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:48:06 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <cl0it15kb38empn50b3e04e16kpt824tbr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:31:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <t4fft1lv5t3gah29hv5f4tbgjnb2va8npo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:20:02 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist view,
in
my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of
zoology
at
the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at an
important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their
imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more intelligent
like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
Dayum, you're optimistic.
Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all the
good it would do them.
Exactly. "Screw up a perfectly Divine Plan just for less than pond
scum?"
True. Even bacteria look down on them.
Why not? After all, they're much more educated, intelligent, and
courageous.
And have ethical standards.
....they follow.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
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| Title: Re: Ear?s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
29 Jan 2006 01:00:18 AM |
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In article <2p4nt1lm3ua0amc8ecknp9ie2tbvqsqb6b@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:48:06 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <cl0it15kb38empn50b3e04e16kpt824tbr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:31:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <t4fft1lv5t3gah29hv5f4tbgjnb2va8npo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:20:02 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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"This is another nail in the coffin of the creationist
view,
in
my
opinion," said Mark W. Westneat, an associate curator of
zoology
at
the
Field Museum of natural history in Chicago. "It is a great
fill-in-the-gap story that shows a nice transition stage at
an
important
point in evolution."
The gaps are getting ever smaller.
Doesn't matter the droolers will continue to revel in their
imaginary
swamp mist.
Hopefully some day they'll evolve into something more
intelligent
like
monkeys.
Won't happen as that takes backbone.
It would probably take another 4.5 billion years.
Dayum, you're optimistic.
Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all the
good it would do them.
Exactly. "Screw up a perfectly Divine Plan just for less than pond
scum?"
True. Even bacteria look down on them.
Why not? After all, they're much more educated, intelligent, and
courageous.
And have ethical standards.
...they follow.
And don't tell other microorganisms to follow those that they don't
themselves.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| Title: Re: Ear?s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
29 Jan 2006 08:06:20 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:00:18 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <2p4nt1lm3ua0amc8ecknp9ie2tbvqsqb6b@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:48:06 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all the
good it would do them.
Exactly. "Screw up a perfectly Divine Plan just for less than pond
scum?"
True. Even bacteria look down on them.
Why not? After all, they're much more educated, intelligent, and
courageous.
And have ethical standards.
...they follow.
And don't tell other microorganisms to follow those that they don't
themselves.
I figured that was included.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| Title: Re: Ear?s evolution seen in fossil Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe |
29 Jan 2006 11:28:39 PM |
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In article <etipt1drtf26d1i2nr50utvdt359urte1s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:00:18 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <2p4nt1lm3ua0amc8ecknp9ie2tbvqsqb6b@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:48:06 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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Well, they could ask their 'Intelligent Designer' to help, for all
the
good it would do them.
Exactly. "Screw up a perfectly Divine Plan just for less than pond
scum?"
True. Even bacteria look down on them.
Why not? After all, they're much more educated, intelligent, and
courageous.
And have ethical standards.
...they follow.
And don't tell other microorganisms to follow those that they don't
themselves.
I figured that was included.
Yep.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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19 Jan 2006 11:15:36 AM |
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stoney wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear's evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
By David Brown
The Washington Post
Updated: 12:54 a.m. ET Jan. 19, 2006
Question: What do you do with half an ear?
Answer: You breathe through it.
That's the conclusion reached by a pair of researchers who say they have
found a fossil "snapshot" of the ear partway through its evolution to
its current form.
The structure that became the sound-conducting middle ear of land
animals began as a tube that permitted ancient shallow-water fish to
take an occasional breath of air out of the top of their heads -- at
least according to Martin D. Brazeau and Per E. Ahlberg of Uppsala
University, in Sweden.
This supports reported cases of evolution among fundimentalists. There
have been reports of them ~talking~ out of their ~asses~ for decades
now.
jwk
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22 Jan 2006 12:16:38 PM |
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On 19 Jan 2006 09:15:36 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10913802/
Ear's evolution seen in fossil
Transitional stage may have helped ancient fish breathe
By David Brown
The Washington Post
Updated: 12:54 a.m. ET Jan. 19, 2006
Question: What do you do with half an ear?
Answer: You breathe through it.
That's the conclusion reached by a pair of researchers who say they have
found a fossil "snapshot" of the ear partway through its evolution to
its current form.
The structure that became the sound-conducting middle ear of land
animals began as a tube that permitted ancient shallow-water fish to
take an occasional breath of air out of the top of their heads -- at
least according to Martin D. Brazeau and Per E. Ahlberg of Uppsala
University, in Sweden.
This supports reported cases of evolution among fundimentalists. There
have been reports of them ~talking~ out of their ~asses~ for decades
now.
And video.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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