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"Alberto Panno-Peano" |
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18 Jan 2004 04:30:32 AM |
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Earth only is a videogame |
Some alien programmed it millions of years ago and made dinosaurs ,
mammals and then humans.
It played around with them a little bit, a few thousand years , but
got bored and threw away the videogame that is still running today.
Sometimes the alien comes back and causes some little natural
disasters or wars and watches the ant-like humans acting like they do.
So we should better kick the alienīs ***** and then we are our own
masters !
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Earth only is a videogame |
18 Jan 2004 02:20:19 PM |
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On 18 Jan 2004 02:30:32 -0800 in alt.atheism, Alberto Panno-Peano
(moltotarl@yahoo.com.mx (Alberto Panno-Peano)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Some alien programmed it millions of years ago and made dinosaurs ,
mammals and then humans.
It played around with them a little bit, a few thousand years , but
got bored and threw away the videogame that is still running today.
Sometimes the alien comes back and causes some little natural
disasters or wars and watches the ant-like humans acting like they do.
So we should better kick the alienīs ***** and then we are our own
masters !
Oh it's far worse than that. Apparently the odds overwhelming favour
the proposition we and the universe are simulations.
http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
Long, heavy going, but very interesting.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: Earth only is a videogame |
19 Jan 2004 02:40:35 PM |
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On Sun 18 Jan 2004 02:20:19p, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit
up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
On 18 Jan 2004 02:30:32 -0800 in alt.atheism, Alberto Panno-Peano
(moltotarl@yahoo.com.mx (Alberto Panno-Peano)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Some alien programmed it millions of years ago and made dinosaurs ,
mammals and then humans.
It played around with them a little bit, a few thousand years , but
got bored and threw away the videogame that is still running today.
Sometimes the alien comes back and causes some little natural
disasters or wars and watches the ant-like humans acting like they do.
So we should better kick the alienīs ***** and then we are our own
masters !
Oh it's far worse than that. Apparently the odds overwhelming favour
the proposition we and the universe are simulations.
http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
Long, heavy going, but very interesting.
That's actually quite fascinating, and as far as I can tell his
reasoning is sound. Note, however, that he does not claim that we are
necessarily in a simulation, but rather that one of the following is
true:
1) Virtually no civilizations of human-level intelligence survive long
enough to develop "post-human" technology (where that is technology that
allows a high number of simulations of this sort to be run).
2) Virtually no civilizations of human-level intelligence, who survive
long enough to develop "post-human" technology, have any significant
interest in running simulations of this sort.
3) We are almost certainly in a simulation of this sort.
As far as I can tell, he is correct. He makes one or two assumptions
that I hesitate to accept with full confidence, but they don't
particularly affect his conclusion. I find this fascinating, since I
see no reason to believe that societies such as ours would fail in large
numbers, nor do I miss the fact that human thinking would likely prompt
us to want to see such simulations, which leaves only the third option
-- a sobering consideration, even if you doubt the conclusion.
I see only one way around this. It may be that in order for a society
to survive to a "post-human" state, it must attain an average
psychological state that does not prompt interest in such simulations.
However, there really seems no evidence that this is true, which
suggests, to me at least, that I came up with this idea as a response to
my desire to see all three of the above propositions as false.
Obviously, that's not a good reason to come to a conclusion, so I have
to discount this idea as a significant possibility, and provisionally
accept that one of those three propositions is indeed true. Interesting
and a bit scary, isn't it?
Of course, there's also the other possibility, which is that there are
physical laws of the universe that make any computer that powerful
impossible.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Earth only is a videogame |
18 Jan 2004 04:51:34 AM |
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"Alberto Panno-Peano" <moltotarl@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:a5a4ac7a.0401180230.6ceb2613@posting.google.com...
Some alien programmed it millions of years ago and made dinosaurs ,
mammals and then humans.
It played around with them a little bit, a few thousand years , but
got bored and threw away the videogame that is still running today.
Sometimes the alien comes back and causes some little natural
disasters or wars and watches the ant-like humans acting like they do.
So we should better kick the alienīs ***** and then we are our own
masters !
this here is what happens when you subject young children to the fumes in
speed labs.
the solipsist take on this (altered to be sophisticated) theory is much more
suitable
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Earth only is a videogame |
18 Jan 2004 07:49:01 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:51:34 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
this here is what happens when you subject young children to the fumes in
speed labs.
Or to the fumes in churches.
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"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
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| User: "#1883" |
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| Title: Re: Earth only is a videogame |
18 Jan 2004 02:06:00 PM |
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Alberto Panno-Peano wrote:
Some alien programmed it millions of years ago and made dinosaurs ,
mammals and then humans.
It played around with them a little bit, a few thousand years , but
got bored and threw away the videogame that is still running today.
Sometimes the alien comes back and causes some little natural
disasters or wars and watches the ant-like humans acting like they do.
So we should better kick the alienīs ***** and then we are our own
masters !
OMG H4X!!111
--
#1883
"Religion controls the weak, stupid and criminal-minded in ways that
threat of jail or community service cannot. If a vision of endless fire
and brimstone or torture at the clutches of horny dragon-beast with a
12-inch spiked ***** keeps even one person from putting a bullet in my
head, religion can't be all bad." - TMB
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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| Title: Re: Earth only is a videogame |
18 Jan 2004 07:16:57 AM |
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Alberto Panno-Peano wrote:
Some alien programmed it millions of years ago and made dinosaurs ,
mammals and then humans.
It played around with them a little bit, a few thousand years , but
got bored and threw away the videogame that is still running today.
Sometimes the alien comes back and causes some little natural
disasters or wars and watches the ant-like humans acting like they do.
So we should better kick the alienīs ***** and then we are our own
masters !
So when will I get my BFG 9000?
RS
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| User: "Phylter" |
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| Title: Re: Earth only is a videogame |
18 Jan 2004 08:02:32 AM |
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"Richard Smol" <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> astounded us with:
news:400a8749$1_2@127.0.0.1:
Alberto Panno-Peano wrote:
Some alien programmed it millions of years ago and made dinosaurs ,
mammals and then humans.
It played around with them a little bit, a few thousand years , but
got bored and threw away the videogame that is still running today.
Sometimes the alien comes back and causes some little natural
disasters or wars and watches the ant-like humans acting like they do.
So we should better kick the alienīs ***** and then we are our own
masters !
So when will I get my BFG 9000?
Level 9, room 23, behind the secret panel which is activated by the button
on the left wall in the room at the end of the level. Yes, I know it means
trudging all the way back, but if you want the BFG....
--
Phylter
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.rudraigh.com/afjc/regulars.html
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "Rv Cloim" |
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| Title: Re: Earth only is a videogame |
18 Jan 2004 10:52:27 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:30:32 -0800, Alberto Panno-Peano wrote:
Some alien programmed it millions of years ago and made dinosaurs ,
mammals and then humans.
It played around with them a little bit, a few thousand years , but
got bored and threw away the videogame that is still running today.
Not quite.
They programmed it with a flat earth. Better computers later allowed them
to incorporate a spherical earth (v2). V3 was earth centric. V4 was helio
centric. V5 was galactic centric. V6 added other galaxies.
Minor variations and side stories told by other games, were incorporated
(rather poorly) into later additions.
I'm saving up to buy V7. (note: In Japan it's V12)
Sometimes the alien comes back and causes some little natural
disasters or wars and watches the ant-like humans acting like they do.
So we should better kick the alienīs ***** and then we are our own
masters !
Yeah, sure. Like AI is ever going to happen...
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