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User: "Lieken"
Date: 14 Oct 2006 05:17:22 PM
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Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006
LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.
They studied rodent fossil records in central Spain dating back 22
million
years and found that the rise and fall of mammal species was linked to
changes in the Earth's behavior which caused cooling periods.
"Extinctions in rodent species occur in pulses which are spaced by
intervals
controlled by astronomical variations and their effects on climate
change,"
Dr Jan van Dam, of the Utrecht University in the Netherlands, said.
The researchers found two cycles corresponding to the disappearance of
rodent species. One lasts 2.4 million years and is linked to variations
in
the Earth's orbit. The other is a 1.2 million year cycle relating to
shifts
in the tilt on the Earth on its axis.
The cycles are associated with lower temperatures, changes in
precipitation,
habitats, vegetation and food availability which are the main factors
influencing the extinction peaks, the study published in the journal
Nature
said.
"Rodents are very sensitive to seasonal changes because they have such
a
short lifespan," said Van Dam, adding that they represent one of the
best
mammal fossil records.
At the moment, the Earth is at the beginning of a cycle but the
planet's
climate system has changed so much in the past 3 million years that it
is
difficult to predict what will happen in the future.
"The environment is responsible to what happens to species," said Van
Dam.
"Biological factors are secondary, according to our results."
Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday October 12, 2006
The Guardian
Scientists have named a prime suspect in the mysterious case of the
missing mammals. The reason history is littered with suspiciously
regular extinctions is all down to the Earth's wobbly orbit,
according to research published today.
Apart from mass extinctions caused by asteroids thumping into the
planet and other cataclysmic natural events, records reveal that
mammal species die out anyway, usually 2.5m years after they first
emerge. Archaeologists have struggled to explain it, with some
blaming competition with neighbouring creatures and others suspecting
dramatic swings in climate.
After examining the remains of 80,000 fossilised teeth from 132
different rodents that span a 22 million-year period, Jan van Dam at
Utrecht University in the Netherlands believes he has the answer.
He conducted detailed analyses of the fossil fragments, which were
excavated from four pristine sites throughout Spain, to work out when
each species emerged and when they became extinct. The study, which
focused on rodents because they are easily identified from their
dental remains, included fossils of squirrels, mice, beavers, voles
and hamster-like rodents, dating to between 24.5m and 2.5m years ago
and only a few of which survive today.
Dr van Dam correlated the results with natural cycles in the Earth's
orbit and found that every 2.4m years there was a flurry of both
mammal extinctions and new species. The extinctions coincided with a
cycle that sees the Earth's orbit vary from almost perfectly circular
to elliptical. Another cycle of extinctions and emerging species
overlapped with changes in the tilt of the Earth's axis, which occur
every 1m years. The axis today stands at 23 degrees to the vertical.
Writing in the journal Nature today, Dr van Dam says that when the
Earth is in a very circular orbit the climate is less changeable, and
summer heat will be less extreme. The more mild weather encourages
glaciers to grow down from the poles, and causes a drop in ocean
levels and changes to rainfall. "The ice expansion affects the global
climate via atmospheric and oceanic currents," Dr van Dam said.
The climatic upheaval put pressure on mammals by wiping out food
sources and fragmenting their habitats. For some species, the change
in climate is enough to wipe them out, while others, by being forced
to live in smaller, isolated communities, are likely to become new
species, Dr van Dam claims. The evidence that the planet's wobbly
orbit is to blame for mammals' 2.5m-year lifespan is "a crucial
missing piece in the puzzle", said Dr van Dam.
http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ story/0,, 1920051,00. html
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User: "Bush the War Criminal"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 14 Oct 2006 08:38:16 PM
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Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.

They're wrong. It's Jesus.
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User: "WideJawedCaucasion"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 15 Oct 2006 06:57:54 AM
Isn't this physics?
Bush the War Criminal wrote:

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Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.


They're wrong. It's Jesus.



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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 15 Oct 2006 10:21:32 PM
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:38:16 -0400, "Bush the War Criminal"
<no@none.com> wrote:

"Lieken" <darth.gantz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.


They're wrong. It's Jesus.

Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit and tilt are associated
with extinction of Jesus? Okay, I can buy that.
<slinks away while BTWC is distracted>
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
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User: "OK"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 26 Oct 2006 12:51:28 AM
Al Klein wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:38:16 -0400, "Bush the War Criminal"
<no@none.com> wrote:


"Lieken" <darth.gantz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.

They're wrong. It's Jesus.


Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit and tilt are associated
with extinction of Jesus? Okay, I can buy that.

<slinks away while BTWC is distracted>

why are you all so ticked off at jesus? its not his fault that people
have abused his name. what mean nasty people you are.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 26 Oct 2006 10:41:58 AM
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:51:28 GMT, OK <OK@nospamsnet.net> wrote:

why are you all so ticked off at jesus?

Same reason you're ticked off at Tweety Bird.
People don't get ticked off at cartoon characters.

its not his fault that people have abused his name.

He's not real, so nothing is "his" fault.

what mean nasty people you are.

Because we don't share your fantasy?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
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User: "OK"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 26 Oct 2006 11:30:03 AM
Al Klein wrote:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:51:28 GMT, OK <OK@nospamsnet.net> wrote:


why are you all so ticked off at jesus?


Same reason you're ticked off at Tweety Bird.

People don't get ticked off at cartoon characters.

then what are you miffed about?


its not his fault that people have abused his name.


He's not real, so nothing is "his" fault.

perhaps i should unsubscribe again.


what mean nasty people you are.


Because we don't share your fantasy?

yeah i think i should. forgive me. bye.
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 26 Oct 2006 11:42:10 AM
OK wrote:

Al Klein wrote:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:51:28 GMT, OK <OK@nospamsnet.net> wrote:


why are you all so ticked off at jesus?


Same reason you're ticked off at Tweety Bird.

People don't get ticked off at cartoon characters.

then what are you miffed about?


its not his fault that people have abused his name.


He's not real, so nothing is "his" fault.

perhaps i should unsubscribe again.


what mean nasty people you are.


Because we don't share your fantasy?

yeah i think i should. forgive me. bye.

This is the internet equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears
and singing "Onward Christian Soldier" to drown out the scary noises.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 26 Oct 2006 02:16:45 PM
On 26 Oct 2006 09:42:10 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:

OK wrote:

yeah i think i should. forgive me. bye.

This is the internet equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears
and singing "Onward Christian Soldier" to drown out the scary noises.

You're assuming she's still a Christian today. She changes her
religion more often than someone with OCD changes the dirt on his
hands.
Anyone know where "the bay area" is in relation to Atlanta? She
claims to come from both.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 26 Oct 2006 06:55:05 PM
Al Klein wrote:

On 26 Oct 2006 09:42:10 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:

OK wrote:


yeah i think i should. forgive me. bye.


This is the internet equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears
and singing "Onward Christian Soldier" to drown out the scary noises.


You're assuming she's still a Christian today. She changes her
religion more often than someone with OCD changes the dirt on his
hands.

Don't tell me! Let me guess...Omnivore Carnivore Disorder? Old Coot
Disease? Often Called Debbie? Am I close?

Anyone know where "the bay area" is in relation to Atlanta? She
claims to come from both.

Why do theists seem to get a large percentage of the confused and the
mentally ill in their camp? Was that a rhetorical question?
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 26 Oct 2006 06:59:01 PM

You're assuming she's still a Christian today. She changes her
religion more often than someone with OCD changes the dirt on his
hands.


Don't tell me! Let me guess...Omnivore Carnivore Disorder? Old Coot
Disease? Often Called Debbie? Am I close?

Oh right. D'oh! The Howard Hughes disease. He lived here in Vancouver
towards the end and had a whole floor of the luxurious Bayshore Inn
rented out for his jars of urine. I'm not sure how keeping rooms full
of ***** helps someone who is worried about germs, but oh well.
.
User: "Chip Flintnapper"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 19 Nov 2006 10:23:32 PM
Neil Kelsey wrote:

You're assuming she's still a Christian today. She changes her
religion more often than someone with OCD changes the dirt on his
hands.


Don't tell me! Let me guess...Omnivore Carnivore Disorder? Old Coot
Disease? Often Called Debbie? Am I close?


Oh right. D'oh! The Howard Hughes disease. He lived here in Vancouver
towards the end and had a whole floor of the luxurious Bayshore Inn
rented out for his jars of urine. I'm not sure how keeping rooms full
of ***** helps someone who is worried about germs, but oh well.

Unlike feces, urine is sterile. If it contained bacteria, as you obviously
suppose, then you would be passing gas from your urethra as well as your
colon; a very unhealthy, and uncomfortable symptom.
Stored urine does, however, break down into weapons-grade nitrate (that is,
nitric acid) at room temperature. I wonder if the government will outlaw
it, now that fact is known?
However, no one knows exactly what Howard Hughs was thinking, there at the
very end. Syphilis tends to distort its victims thoughts, and all the money
in the world can't change that.
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 26 Oct 2006 09:55:43 PM
On 26 Oct 2006 16:55:05 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:

On 26 Oct 2006 09:42:10 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:

OK wrote:


yeah i think i should. forgive me. bye.


This is the internet equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears
and singing "Onward Christian Soldier" to drown out the scary noises.


You're assuming she's still a Christian today. She changes her
religion more often than someone with OCD changes the dirt on his
hands.


Don't tell me! Let me guess...Omnivore Carnivore Disorder? Old Coot
Disease? Often Called Debbie? Am I close?

Wash your hands. Now wash them again. :)


Anyone know where "the bay area" is in relation to Atlanta? She
claims to come from both.


Why do theists seem to get a large percentage of the confused and the
mentally ill in their camp? Was that a rhetorical question?

Yep. :)
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the
spinal cord would fully suffice."
- Albert Einstein
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User: "Roger Bagula"

Title: Re: More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million YearsAgo 18 Oct 2006 01:21:07 PM
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million Years Ago
Date: 17 Oct 2006 11:11:46 -0700
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http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=108103&org=NSF&from=news
National Science Foundation Press Release 06-150
More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million Years Ago
Growing evidence shows a series of natural events caused extinction
October 17, 2006
Growing evidence shows that the dinosaurs and their contemporaries were
not wiped out by the famed Chicxulub meteor impact alone, according to
a
paleontologist who says multiple meteor impacts, massive volcanism in
India and climate changes culminated in the end of the Cretaceous
Period.
The Chicxulub impact may have been the lesser and earlier of a series
of
meteor impacts and volcanic eruptions that pounded life on Earth for
more than 500,000 years, say Princeton University paleontologist Gerta
Keller and her collaborators Thierry Adatte from the University of
Neuchatel, Switzerland, and Zsolt Berner and Doris Stueben from
Karlsruhe University in Germany.
A final, much larger and still unidentified impact 65.5 million years
ago appears to have been the last straw, said Keller, exterminating
two-thirds of all species in one of the largest mass extinction events
in the history of life. It's that impact - not Chicxulub - that left
the
famous extraterrestrial iridium layer found in rocks worldwide that
marks the impact that finally ended the Age of Reptiles, Keller
believes.
"The Chicxulub impact alone could not have caused the mass extinction,"
said Keller, "because this impact predates the mass extinction."
Keller is scheduled to present that evidence at the annual meeting of
the Geological Society of America (GSA) in Philadelphia, on Tuesday,
October 24, 2006.
"Chicxulub is one of thousands of impact craters on Earth's surface and
in its subsurface," said H. Richard Lane, program director in the
National Science Foundation (NSF) Division of Earth Sciences, which
funded the research. "The evidence found by Keller and colleagues
suggests that there is more to learn about what caused the major
extinction event millions of years ago, and the demise of the dinosaurs
at the end of the Cretaceous."
Marine sediments drilled from the Chicxulub crater itself, as well as
from a site in Texas along the Brazos River and from outcrops in
northeastern Mexico, reveal that Chicxulub hit Earth 300,000 years
before the mass extinction. Microscopic marine animals were left
virtually unscathed, said Keller.
"In all these localities we can analyze their microfossils in the
sediments directly above and below the Chicxulub impact layer, and
cannot find any significant biotic effect," said Keller. "We cannot
attribute any specific extinctions to this impact."
The story that seems to be taking shape, according to Keller, is that
Chicxulub, though violent, actually conspired with the prolonged and
gigantic volcanic eruptions of the Deccan Flood Basalts in India, as
well as with climate change, to nudge species towards the brink. They
were then pushed over with a second large meteor impact.
The Deccan volcanism released vast amount of greenhouse gases into the
atmosphere over a period of more than a million years leading up to the
mass extinction. By the time Chicxulub struck, the oceans were already
3-4 degrees warmer, even at the bottom, Keller said.
"On land it must have been 7-8 degrees warmer," she said. "This
greenhouse warming is well-documented. The temperature rise was rapid
over about 20,000 years, and it stayed warm for about 100,000 years,
then cooled back to normal well before the mass extinction."
Where's the crater? "I wish I knew," said Keller.
Scheduled Presentations at the Geological Society of America meeting in
Philadelphia:
"Chixculub Impact and the K/T Mass Extinction"
Pennsylvania Convention Center: 105 AB
Tuesday, 24 October, 2:50 p.m.
"K/T Mass Extinction and the Lilliput Effect: Consequences of Impacts,
Volcanism and Climate Change"
Pennsylvania Convention Center
Wednesday, 25 October, 11:45 a.m.
-NSF-
Media Contacts
Cheryl Dybas, NSF (703) 292-7734

Ann Cairns, GSA (303) 357-1056

Related Websites
Talk: Chixculub Impact and the K/T Mass Extinction:
http://www.nsf.gov/news/longurl.cfm?id=14
Talk: K/T Mass Extinction: Consequences of Impacts:
http://www.nsf.gov/news/longurl.cfm?id=15
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User: "spiznet"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 14 Oct 2006 06:14:25 PM
Lieken wrote:

http://www.cnn. com/2006/ TECH/science/ 10/11/extinction .mammals.
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ml>

Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.

They studied rodent fossil records in central Spain dating back 22
million
years and found that the rise and fall of mammal species was linked to
changes in the Earth's behavior which caused cooling periods.

"Extinctions in rodent species occur in pulses which are spaced by
intervals
controlled by astronomical variations and their effects on climate
change,"
Dr Jan van Dam, of the Utrecht University in the Netherlands, said.

The researchers found two cycles corresponding to the disappearance of
rodent species. One lasts 2.4 million years and is linked to variations
in
the Earth's orbit. The other is a 1.2 million year cycle relating to
shifts
in the tilt on the Earth on its axis.

The cycles are associated with lower temperatures, changes in
precipitation,
habitats, vegetation and food availability which are the main factors
influencing the extinction peaks, the study published in the journal
Nature
said.

"Rodents are very sensitive to seasonal changes because they have such
a
short lifespan," said Van Dam, adding that they represent one of the
best
mammal fossil records.

At the moment, the Earth is at the beginning of a cycle but the
planet's
climate system has changed so much in the past 3 million years that it
is
difficult to predict what will happen in the future.

"The environment is responsible to what happens to species," said Van
Dam.
"Biological factors are secondary, according to our results."


Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday October 12, 2006
The Guardian

Scientists have named a prime suspect in the mysterious case of the
missing mammals. The reason history is littered with suspiciously
regular extinctions is all down to the Earth's wobbly orbit,
according to research published today.
Apart from mass extinctions caused by asteroids thumping into the
planet and other cataclysmic natural events, records reveal that
mammal species die out anyway, usually 2.5m years after they first
emerge. Archaeologists have struggled to explain it, with some
blaming competition with neighbouring creatures and others suspecting
dramatic swings in climate.

After examining the remains of 80,000 fossilised teeth from 132
different rodents that span a 22 million-year period, Jan van Dam at
Utrecht University in the Netherlands believes he has the answer.

He conducted detailed analyses of the fossil fragments, which were
excavated from four pristine sites throughout Spain, to work out when
each species emerged and when they became extinct. The study, which
focused on rodents because they are easily identified from their
dental remains, included fossils of squirrels, mice, beavers, voles
and hamster-like rodents, dating to between 24.5m and 2.5m years ago
and only a few of which survive today.

Dr van Dam correlated the results with natural cycles in the Earth's
orbit and found that every 2.4m years there was a flurry of both
mammal extinctions and new species. The extinctions coincided with a
cycle that sees the Earth's orbit vary from almost perfectly circular
to elliptical. Another cycle of extinctions and emerging species
overlapped with changes in the tilt of the Earth's axis, which occur
every 1m years. The axis today stands at 23 degrees to the vertical.

Writing in the journal Nature today, Dr van Dam says that when the
Earth is in a very circular orbit the climate is less changeable, and
summer heat will be less extreme. The more mild weather encourages
glaciers to grow down from the poles, and causes a drop in ocean
levels and changes to rainfall. "The ice expansion affects the global
climate via atmospheric and oceanic currents," Dr van Dam said.

The climatic upheaval put pressure on mammals by wiping out food
sources and fragmenting their habitats. For some species, the change
in climate is enough to wipe them out, while others, by being forced
to live in smaller, isolated communities, are likely to become new
species, Dr van Dam claims. The evidence that the planet's wobbly
orbit is to blame for mammals' 2.5m-year lifespan is "a crucial
missing piece in the puzzle", said Dr van Dam.

http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ story/0,, 1920051,00. html

According to this article we only have 2mya to get things right!! After
that, we're toast.
OR if you subcribe to the Homo Erectus = Homo Sapiens/ one species
theory, we may only have a coupla' hundred thousand years.
-spizzy
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User: "John Roth"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 17 Oct 2006 02:05:05 PM
spiznet wrote:

Lieken wrote:

http://www.cnn. com/2006/ TECH/science/ 10/11/extinction .mammals.
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Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.

They studied rodent fossil records in central Spain dating back 22
million
years and found that the rise and fall of mammal species was linked to
changes in the Earth's behavior which caused cooling periods.

"Extinctions in rodent species occur in pulses which are spaced by
intervals
controlled by astronomical variations and their effects on climate
change,"
Dr Jan van Dam, of the Utrecht University in the Netherlands, said.

The researchers found two cycles corresponding to the disappearance of
rodent species. One lasts 2.4 million years and is linked to variations
in
the Earth's orbit. The other is a 1.2 million year cycle relating to
shifts
in the tilt on the Earth on its axis.

The cycles are associated with lower temperatures, changes in
precipitation,
habitats, vegetation and food availability which are the main factors
influencing the extinction peaks, the study published in the journal
Nature
said.

"Rodents are very sensitive to seasonal changes because they have such
a
short lifespan," said Van Dam, adding that they represent one of the
best
mammal fossil records.

At the moment, the Earth is at the beginning of a cycle but the
planet's
climate system has changed so much in the past 3 million years that it
is
difficult to predict what will happen in the future.

"The environment is responsible to what happens to species," said Van
Dam.
"Biological factors are secondary, according to our results."


Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday October 12, 2006
The Guardian

Scientists have named a prime suspect in the mysterious case of the
missing mammals. The reason history is littered with suspiciously
regular extinctions is all down to the Earth's wobbly orbit,
according to research published today.
Apart from mass extinctions caused by asteroids thumping into the
planet and other cataclysmic natural events, records reveal that
mammal species die out anyway, usually 2.5m years after they first
emerge. Archaeologists have struggled to explain it, with some
blaming competition with neighbouring creatures and others suspecting
dramatic swings in climate.

After examining the remains of 80,000 fossilised teeth from 132
different rodents that span a 22 million-year period, Jan van Dam at
Utrecht University in the Netherlands believes he has the answer.

He conducted detailed analyses of the fossil fragments, which were
excavated from four pristine sites throughout Spain, to work out when
each species emerged and when they became extinct. The study, which
focused on rodents because they are easily identified from their
dental remains, included fossils of squirrels, mice, beavers, voles
and hamster-like rodents, dating to between 24.5m and 2.5m years ago
and only a few of which survive today.

Dr van Dam correlated the results with natural cycles in the Earth's
orbit and found that every 2.4m years there was a flurry of both
mammal extinctions and new species. The extinctions coincided with a
cycle that sees the Earth's orbit vary from almost perfectly circular
to elliptical. Another cycle of extinctions and emerging species
overlapped with changes in the tilt of the Earth's axis, which occur
every 1m years. The axis today stands at 23 degrees to the vertical.

Writing in the journal Nature today, Dr van Dam says that when the
Earth is in a very circular orbit the climate is less changeable, and
summer heat will be less extreme. The more mild weather encourages
glaciers to grow down from the poles, and causes a drop in ocean
levels and changes to rainfall. "The ice expansion affects the global
climate via atmospheric and oceanic currents," Dr van Dam said.

The climatic upheaval put pressure on mammals by wiping out food
sources and fragmenting their habitats. For some species, the change
in climate is enough to wipe them out, while others, by being forced
to live in smaller, isolated communities, are likely to become new
species, Dr van Dam claims. The evidence that the planet's wobbly
orbit is to blame for mammals' 2.5m-year lifespan is "a crucial
missing piece in the puzzle", said Dr van Dam.

http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ story/0,, 1920051,00. html


According to this article we only have 2mya to get things right!! After
that, we're toast.
OR if you subcribe to the Homo Erectus = Homo Sapiens/ one species
theory, we may only have a coupla' hundred thousand years.
-spizzy

It's interesting and probably quite relevant - to other
species. Most of our behavior is cultural and is changable
at time scales that are very short in comparison to even
the shortest of the orbital shifts. In other words, it won't
matter to us.
John Roth
.
User: "deowll"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 18 Oct 2006 12:32:37 PM
"John Roth" <JohnRoth1@jhrothjr.com> wrote in message
news:1161111905.533303.325380@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


spiznet wrote:

Lieken wrote:

http://www.cnn. com/2006/ TECH/science/ 10/11/extinction .mammals.
reut/index. htm
l
<http://www.cnn. com/2006/ TECH/science/ 10/11/extinction .mammals.
reut/index. ht
ml>

Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.

They studied rodent fossil records in central Spain dating back 22
million
years and found that the rise and fall of mammal species was linked to
changes in the Earth's behavior which caused cooling periods.

"Extinctions in rodent species occur in pulses which are spaced by
intervals
controlled by astronomical variations and their effects on climate
change,"
Dr Jan van Dam, of the Utrecht University in the Netherlands, said.

The researchers found two cycles corresponding to the disappearance of
rodent species. One lasts 2.4 million years and is linked to variations
in
the Earth's orbit. The other is a 1.2 million year cycle relating to
shifts
in the tilt on the Earth on its axis.

The cycles are associated with lower temperatures, changes in
precipitation,
habitats, vegetation and food availability which are the main factors
influencing the extinction peaks, the study published in the journal
Nature
said.

"Rodents are very sensitive to seasonal changes because they have such
a
short lifespan," said Van Dam, adding that they represent one of the
best
mammal fossil records.

At the moment, the Earth is at the beginning of a cycle but the
planet's
climate system has changed so much in the past 3 million years that it
is
difficult to predict what will happen in the future.

"The environment is responsible to what happens to species," said Van
Dam.
"Biological factors are secondary, according to our results."


Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday October 12, 2006
The Guardian

Scientists have named a prime suspect in the mysterious case of the
missing mammals. The reason history is littered with suspiciously
regular extinctions is all down to the Earth's wobbly orbit,
according to research published today.
Apart from mass extinctions caused by asteroids thumping into the
planet and other cataclysmic natural events, records reveal that
mammal species die out anyway, usually 2.5m years after they first
emerge. Archaeologists have struggled to explain it, with some
blaming competition with neighbouring creatures and others suspecting
dramatic swings in climate.

After examining the remains of 80,000 fossilised teeth from 132
different rodents that span a 22 million-year period, Jan van Dam at
Utrecht University in the Netherlands believes he has the answer.

He conducted detailed analyses of the fossil fragments, which were
excavated from four pristine sites throughout Spain, to work out when
each species emerged and when they became extinct. The study, which
focused on rodents because they are easily identified from their
dental remains, included fossils of squirrels, mice, beavers, voles
and hamster-like rodents, dating to between 24.5m and 2.5m years ago
and only a few of which survive today.

Dr van Dam correlated the results with natural cycles in the Earth's
orbit and found that every 2.4m years there was a flurry of both
mammal extinctions and new species. The extinctions coincided with a
cycle that sees the Earth's orbit vary from almost perfectly circular
to elliptical. Another cycle of extinctions and emerging species
overlapped with changes in the tilt of the Earth's axis, which occur
every 1m years. The axis today stands at 23 degrees to the vertical.

Writing in the journal Nature today, Dr van Dam says that when the
Earth is in a very circular orbit the climate is less changeable, and
summer heat will be less extreme. The more mild weather encourages
glaciers to grow down from the poles, and causes a drop in ocean
levels and changes to rainfall. "The ice expansion affects the global
climate via atmospheric and oceanic currents," Dr van Dam said.

The climatic upheaval put pressure on mammals by wiping out food
sources and fragmenting their habitats. For some species, the change
in climate is enough to wipe them out, while others, by being forced
to live in smaller, isolated communities, are likely to become new
species, Dr van Dam claims. The evidence that the planet's wobbly
orbit is to blame for mammals' 2.5m-year lifespan is "a crucial
missing piece in the puzzle", said Dr van Dam.

http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ story/0,, 1920051,00. html


According to this article we only have 2mya to get things right!! After
that, we're toast.
OR if you subcribe to the Homo Erectus = Homo Sapiens/ one species
theory, we may only have a coupla' hundred thousand years.
-spizzy


It's interesting and probably quite relevant - to other
species. Most of our behavior is cultural and is changable
at time scales that are very short in comparison to even
the shortest of the orbital shifts. In other words, it won't
matter to us.

John Roth

It matters to crops. What do you eat?
I would doubt if the species would be at risk but a major reduction in
population might be expected due to weather impacting food production.
.
User: "John Roth"

Title: Re: Earth wobbles and tilt linked to extinctions 19 Oct 2006 10:07:44 AM
deowll wrote:

"John Roth" <JohnRoth1@jhrothjr.com> wrote in message
news:1161111905.533303.325380@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


spiznet wrote:

Lieken wrote:

http://www.cnn. com/2006/ TECH/science/ 10/11/extinction .mammals.
reut/index. htm
l
<http://www.cnn. com/2006/ TECH/science/ 10/11/extinction .mammals.
reut/index. ht
ml>

Earth wobbles linked to extinctions
POSTED: 2:49 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2006

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit
and
tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species,
Dutch
scientists said on Wednesday.

They studied rodent fossil records in central Spain dating back 22
million
years and found that the rise and fall of mammal species was linked to
changes in the Earth's behavior which caused cooling periods.

"Extinctions in rodent species occur in pulses which are spaced by
intervals
controlled by astronomical variations and their effects on climate
change,"
Dr Jan van Dam, of the Utrecht University in the Netherlands, said.

The researchers found two cycles corresponding to the disappearance of
rodent species. One lasts 2.4 million years and is linked to variations
in
the Earth's orbit. The other is a 1.2 million year cycle relating to
shifts
in the tilt on the Earth on its axis.

The cycles are associated with lower temperatures, changes in
precipitation,
habitats, vegetation and food availability which are the main factors
influencing the extinction peaks, the study published in the journal
Nature
said.

"Rodents are very sensitive to seasonal changes because they have such
a
short lifespan," said Van Dam, adding that they represent one of the
best
mammal fossil records.

At the moment, the Earth is at the beginning of a cycle but the
planet's
climate system has changed so much in the past 3 million years that it
is
difficult to predict what will happen in the future.

"The environment is responsible to what happens to species," said Van
Dam.
"Biological factors are secondary, according to our results."


Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday October 12, 2006
The Guardian

Scientists have named a prime suspect in the mysterious case of the
missing mammals. The reason history is littered with suspiciously
regular extinctions is all down to the Earth's wobbly orbit,
according to research published today.
Apart from mass extinctions caused by asteroids thumping into the
planet and other cataclysmic natural events, records reveal that
mammal species die out anyway, usually 2.5m years after they first
emerge. Archaeologists have struggled to explain it, with some
blaming competition with neighbouring creatures and others suspecting
dramatic swings in climate.

After examining the remains of 80,000 fossilised teeth from 132
different rodents that span a 22 million-year period, Jan van Dam at
Utrecht University in the Netherlands believes he has the answer.

He conducted detailed analyses of the fossil fragments, which were
excavated from four pristine sites throughout Spain, to work out when
each species emerged and when they became extinct. The study, which
focused on rodents because they are easily identified from their
dental remains, included fossils of squirrels, mice, beavers, voles
and hamster-like rodents, dating to between 24.5m and 2.5m years ago
and only a few of which survive today.

Dr van Dam correlated the results with natural cycles in the Earth's
orbit and found that every 2.4m years there was a flurry of both
mammal extinctions and new species. The extinctions coincided with a
cycle that sees the Earth's orbit vary from almost perfectly circular
to elliptical. Another cycle of extinctions and emerging species
overlapped with changes in the tilt of the Earth's axis, which occur
every 1m years. The axis today stands at 23 degrees to the vertical.

Writing in the journal Nature today, Dr van Dam says that when the
Earth is in a very circular orbit the climate is less changeable, and
summer heat will be less extreme. The more mild weather encourages
glaciers to grow down from the poles, and causes a drop in ocean
levels and changes to rainfall. "The ice expansion affects the global
climate via atmospheric and oceanic currents," Dr van Dam said.

The climatic upheaval put pressure on mammals by wiping out food
sources and fragmenting their habitats. For some species, the change
in climate is enough to wipe them out, while others, by being forced
to live in smaller, isolated communities, are likely to become new
species, Dr van Dam claims. The evidence that the planet's wobbly
orbit is to blame for mammals' 2.5m-year lifespan is "a crucial
missing piece in the puzzle", said Dr van Dam.

http://www.guardian .co.uk/science/ story/0,, 1920051,00. html


According to this article we only have 2mya to get things right!! After
that, we're toast.
OR if you subcribe to the Homo Erectus = Homo Sapiens/ one species
theory, we may only have a coupla' hundred thousand years.
-spizzy


It's interesting and probably quite relevant - to other
species. Most of our behavior is cultural and is changable
at time scales that are very short in comparison to even
the shortest of the orbital shifts. In other words, it won't
matter to us.

John Roth


It matters to crops. What do you eat?

I would doubt if the species would be at risk but a major reduction in
population might be expected due to weather impacting food production.

Human generations are a lot shorter than the climate
changes caused by orbital variations. Some areas would
become less suitable for crops, some more so. Unless,
of course, it caused a major ice age or sea level rise that
removed a lot of land from any kind of availability.
John Roth
.





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