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"Enkidu the Atheist" |
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14 May 2005 02:30:52 PM |
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Easy steps to excommunication |
ATHEIST FOUNDATION OF AUSTRALIA INC
EASY STEPS TO EXCOMMUNICATION
We concentrate on the Roman Catholic Church because it is one of the
worst for inflating its numbers by counting everyone who was ever
baptised without taking into account current attendance, and because
leaving membership in many fundamentalist and cultish Christian groups is
fairly easy. For instance, if you are a Mormon, you can simply send a
clearly worded letter to your local Mormon bishop asking to have your
name erased from the membership records of the church, and it shall be
done.
If you are a member of a European State Church, there are tax advantages
to leaving it. Visit the site of the Norwegian Heathen Society for
further information.
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its members
easily. They say that the reason for this is to leave the way open for
reconciliation. However, their thinking is based on irrational belief and
is motivated by fear, and they assume that you are the same. They believe
that you will react as they do to the fear of death, and wish to deny
reality and embrace an illusion. Even more importantly, by never giving
up a member, the church is able to claim millions as members, who do not
accept its doctrines, who never attend, who never contribute money or
time and who are, in fact, opposed to what it stands for. This greatly
enhances its power. If you were ever baptised a Roman Catholic, and have
not been excommunicated, you are still being counted. If you do not wish
to contribute to the power of the Roman Catholic church, you may want to
get yourself excommunicated.
More . . .
http://tinyurl.com/89e27
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
What men usually ask for when they pray to God is that two and two may
not make four.
-- Russian proverb
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Easy steps to excommunication |
14 May 2005 04:46:26 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
It's easy to do.
"... A latae sententiae excommunication is incurred automatically, under the
terms of the Code of Canon Law, as the punishment for certain offenses. In
the case of a latae sententiae excommunication, there is no requirement for
formal trial or announcement; in fact, the individual brings the punishment
upon himself.
Excommunication latae sententiae is the canonical punishment for offenses
such as heresy, violation of the seal of confession, or procuring an
abortion. Catholics guilty of these offenses are excommunicated
automatically, even in cases when Church authorities are unaware of their
offense. "
So to be excommunicated you just find something in the catechism that says
you must believe this or are guilty of heresy. Deny it.
Yooooooou're out.
Earl does this on a regular occasion, the last being his statement that
Christ was just a man while on Earth.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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14 May 2005 05:49:11 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Skuhe.3276$3%4.146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
It's easy to do.
"... A latae sententiae excommunication is incurred automatically,
under the terms of the Code of Canon Law, as the punishment for
certain offenses. In the case of a latae sententiae excommunication,
there is no requirement for formal trial or announcement; in fact, the
individual brings the punishment upon himself.
Excommunication latae sententiae is the canonical punishment for
offenses such as heresy, violation of the seal of confession, or
procuring an abortion. Catholics guilty of these offenses are
excommunicated automatically, even in cases when Church authorities
are unaware of their offense. "
So to be excommunicated you just find something in the catechism that
says you must believe this or are guilty of heresy. Deny it.
Yooooooou're out.
Earl does this on a regular occasion, the last being his statement
that Christ was just a man while on Earth.
But the church still counts you as a member, and they parade that
membership around as a symbol of how powerful they are. If tomorrow they
started counting only those people who went to confession in, say, the
last five years, I bet the membership would be cut in half.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
What men usually ask for when they pray to God is that two and two may
not make four.
-- Russian proverb
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Easy steps to excommunication |
14 May 2005 08:32:03 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Skuhe.3276$3%4.146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
It's easy to do.
"... A latae sententiae excommunication is incurred automatically,
under the terms of the Code of Canon Law, as the punishment for
certain offenses. In the case of a latae sententiae excommunication,
there is no requirement for formal trial or announcement; in fact,
the individual brings the punishment upon himself.
Excommunication latae sententiae is the canonical punishment for
offenses such as heresy, violation of the seal of confession, or
procuring an abortion. Catholics guilty of these offenses are
excommunicated automatically, even in cases when Church authorities
are unaware of their offense. "
So to be excommunicated you just find something in the catechism that
says you must believe this or are guilty of heresy. Deny it.
Yooooooou're out.
Earl does this on a regular occasion, the last being his statement
that Christ was just a man while on Earth.
But the church still counts you as a member, and they parade that
membership around as a symbol of how powerful they are. If tomorrow
they started counting only those people who went to confession in,
say, the last five years, I bet the membership would be cut in half.
There is no indication that I can find that being excommunicated would
remove you from the rolls of the church if they track such things.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm describes what it is.
You can get back in any number of ways, even an excommunicated priest, in
the presence of a non excommucateed priest can forgive your sins and bring
you back if you are dying.
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| User: "rj" |
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15 May 2005 12:47:22 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:nExhe.4486$Y81.935@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Skuhe.3276$3%4.146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
It's easy to do.
"... A latae sententiae excommunication is incurred automatically,
under the terms of the Code of Canon Law, as the punishment for
certain offenses. In the case of a latae sententiae excommunication,
there is no requirement for formal trial or announcement; in fact,
the individual brings the punishment upon himself.
Excommunication latae sententiae is the canonical punishment for
offenses such as heresy, violation of the seal of confession, or
procuring an abortion. Catholics guilty of these offenses are
excommunicated automatically, even in cases when Church authorities
are unaware of their offense. "
So to be excommunicated you just find something in the catechism that
says you must believe this or are guilty of heresy. Deny it.
Yooooooou're out.
Earl does this on a regular occasion, the last being his statement
that Christ was just a man while on Earth.
But the church still counts you as a member, and they parade that
membership around as a symbol of how powerful they are. If tomorrow
they started counting only those people who went to confession in,
say, the last five years, I bet the membership would be cut in half.
There is no indication that I can find that being excommunicated would
remove you from the rolls of the church if they track such things.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm describes what it is.
You can get back in any number of ways, even an excommunicated priest,
in the presence of a non excommucateed priest can forgive your sins and
bring you back if you are dying.
I have a few questions.
I want a certificate of excommunication! How do I get that? Do I have to
ask a priest for one?
I retired from the RCC years ago. Does that count?
Can I say I excommunicated the RCC instead of the other way around?
Did the RCC excommunitate me the instant I excommunicated them?
Are my kids excommuncated too. They agree with the fact that god is
non-existent.
If I got a a tatoo that said "***** the skull of Jesus!" would that make my
excommunication permanent?
I guess I am a "bad catholic". That makes me very happy.
rj
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"I'm an atheist, thank God." - Dave Allen
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| User: "duke" |
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15 May 2005 06:24:20 AM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 05:47:22 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.con> wrote:
I have a few questions.
I want a certificate of excommunication! How do I get that? Do I have to
ask a priest for one?
No. Satan hands them out.
I retired from the RCC years ago. Does that count?
No.
Can I say I excommunicated the RCC instead of the other way around?
No.
Did the RCC excommunitate me the instant I excommunicated them?
See above.
Are my kids excommuncated too. They agree with the fact that god is
non-existent.
Depends on their age.
If I got a a tatoo that said "***** the skull of Jesus!" would that make my
excommunication permanent?
A problem if you repent.
I guess I am a "bad catholic". That makes me very happy.
rj
It makes satan happy.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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15 May 2005 06:29:54 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 05:47:22 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.con> wrote:
I have a few questions.
I want a certificate of excommunication! How do I get that? Do I have to
ask a priest for one?
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
I guess I am a "bad catholic". That makes me very happy.
rj
It makes satan happy.
Satan doesn't exist.
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| User: "duke" |
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15 May 2005 08:39:22 AM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:29:54 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork? He'll
be tending to the eternal fire that nips at the cheeks of our butt. And, btw,
that'll be for all eternity.
Hang in there, ds. Just think, what you experience now is the best that it will
ever get for you. Your choice.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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15 May 2005 07:06:02 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:29:54 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
John. He has a strange bodysuit fetish that is combined with a furry
fetish and is into sadomasochism. You don't really believe that Satan
is a guy with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork... do you?
He'll
be tending to the eternal fire that nips at the cheeks of our butt. And, btw,
that'll be for all eternity.
Unless you're wrong and the Mormons are right and Hell is just a state
of purgatory that one stays in until you repent and are welcomed into
the Kingdom of Heaven.
By the way, just where in the Bible does it say that Satan is "that guy
in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork"? Does it say in the
Bible that there will be "eternal fire that nips at the cheeks of our
butt"? What book? What chapter? Which verse?
Hang in there, ds. Just think, what you experience now is the best that it will
ever get for you. Your choice.
You're absolutely right, duke. I am experiencing now the best that it
will ever get for me for, once I die, there will be no me any more.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 May 2005 07:52:12 PM |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 00:06:02 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:29:54 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
John. He has a strange bodysuit fetish that is combined with a furry
fetish and is into sadomasochism. You don't really believe that Satan
is a guy with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork... do you?
It wasn't a guy, it was Liz Hurley.
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| User: "duke" |
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16 May 2005 05:27:18 AM |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 00:06:02 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
John. He has a strange bodysuit fetish that is combined with a furry
fetish and is into sadomasochism. You don't really believe that Satan
is a guy with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork... do you?
Nah - John said it was satan.
He'll
be tending to the eternal fire that nips at the cheeks of our butt. And, btw,
that'll be for all eternity.
Unless you're wrong and the Mormons are right and Hell is just a state
of purgatory that one stays in until you repent and are welcomed into
the Kingdom of Heaven.
Contrary to the bible.
By the way, just where in the Bible does it say that Satan is "that guy
in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork"? Does it say in the
Bible that there will be "eternal fire that nips at the cheeks of our
butt"? What book? What chapter? Which verse?
There is much more that you can be told, but you're not ready for it yet.
Hang in there, ds. Just think, what you experience now is the best that it will
ever get for you. Your choice.
You're absolutely right, duke. I am experiencing now the best that it
will ever get for me for, once I die, there will be no me any more.
Shame. God promised us more. But alas, it's your choice.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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16 May 2005 06:30:50 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 00:06:02 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
John. He has a strange bodysuit fetish that is combined with a furry
fetish and is into sadomasochism. You don't really believe that Satan
is a guy with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork... do you?
Nah - John said it was satan.
You didn't answer my question, but nice dodging.
Do you believe that Satan is a guy with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
He'll
be tending to the eternal fire that nips at the cheeks of our butt. And, btw,
that'll be for all eternity.
Unless you're wrong and the Mormons are right and Hell is just a state
of purgatory that one stays in until you repent and are welcomed into
the Kingdom of Heaven.
Contrary to the bible.
Contrary to your interpretation of the Bible. Also, what if you're
wrong and you shouldn't be following the Bible? What if the Bible was
set up by God to see if you'd follow the outrageous claims put forth in
the Bible blindly? And that, if you do, you'll go to Hell?
You have no proof that God is not doing this, so therefore, He must be
doing it, right?
By the way, just where in the Bible does it say that Satan is "that guy
in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork"? Does it say in the
Bible that there will be "eternal fire that nips at the cheeks of our
butt"? What book? What chapter? Which verse?
There is much more that you can be told, but you're not ready for it yet.
A total dodge. You don't have a verse, do you? You're just making this
up as you go along, aren't you?
Hang in there, ds. Just think, what you experience now is the best that it will
ever get for you. Your choice.
You're absolutely right, duke. I am experiencing now the best that it
will ever get for me for, once I die, there will be no me any more.
Shame. God promised us more. But alas, it's your choice.
Yep. It's my choice to be a morally-decent person. :-) It's how I
sleep at night, knowing that I'm doing good things. However, when I
die, that's it. End of line. Computer Over.
And the same goes for you, duke.
What are you doing to better humanity, duke, besides going to church and
lining the pockets of the Pharisees there?
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| User: "duke" |
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16 May 2005 05:23:46 PM |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 11:30:50 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 00:06:02 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
John. He has a strange bodysuit fetish that is combined with a furry
fetish and is into sadomasochism. You don't really believe that Satan
is a guy with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork... do you?
Nah - John said it was satan.
You didn't answer my question, but nice dodging.
Do you believe that Satan is a guy with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
Don't know. Never met him. Hope never to meet him.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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16 May 2005 06:07:23 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 11:30:50 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 00:06:02 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
John. He has a strange bodysuit fetish that is combined with a furry
fetish and is into sadomasochism. You don't really believe that Satan
is a guy with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork... do you?
Nah - John said it was satan.
You didn't answer my question, but nice dodging.
Do you believe that Satan is a guy with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
Don't know. Never met him. Hope never to meet him.
So, how do you know he exists?
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| User: "duke" |
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17 May 2005 05:09:13 AM |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 23:07:23 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 11:30:50 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 00:06:02 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
John. He has a strange bodysuit fetish that is combined with a furry
fetish and is into sadomasochism. You don't really believe that Satan
is a guy with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork... do you?
Nah - John said it was satan.
You didn't answer my question, but nice dodging.
Do you believe that Satan is a guy with horns, a tail and a pitchfork?
Don't know. Never met him. Hope never to meet him.
So, how do you know he exists?
God said so. Then I looked around, and sure enough, I see satan's work
everywhere's.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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15 May 2005 11:35:04 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:29:54 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No. Satan hands them out.
Satan doesn't exist.
Then who is that guy in the red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork? He'll
be tending to the eternal fire that nips at the cheeks of our butt. And, btw,
that'll be for all eternity.
If you believe that, you're not a catholic.
Hang in there, ds. Just think, what you experience now is the best that it will
ever get for you. Your choice.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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15 May 2005 01:43:36 AM |
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rj <rj@yahoo.con> wrote in news:Xns9657808256C4gargleblech@10.232.1.1:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:nExhe.4486$Y81.935@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Skuhe.3276$3%4.146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
It's easy to do.
Apparantly not so easy.
I found another website that explains things a bit differently.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_242.html
"I think you fail to grasp the concept here, bubba. The purpose of
excommunication isn't to allow you to quit or make a political statement or
pursue some other private agenda. It's to allow the church to throw you
out. If you're already out--that is, if you don't partake of the sacraments
or otherwise participate in Catholic activities (I assume this describes
your situation)--excommunication is likely to strike church authorities as
a waste of good holy water.
That's not to say you can't get excommunicated; on the contrary, canon law
describes a number of situations in which excommunication is automatic. But
these days formal proceedings are rare and reserved mostly for renegade
clerics and such. Too bad you weren't around centuries ago, when they were
bigger on this sort of thing. You could have gotten the old "book, bell,
and candle" routine (more on this in a sec) or even been burned at the
stake.
Strictly speaking, excommunication does not render you a non-Catholic. It
merely means you're a Catholic who's been damned to hell. What's more, it
isn't intended to permanently separate you from the church; rather, it's a
"medicinal" procedure, meant to make you see the error of your ways. If in
fact you do become reconciled later, you won't be rebaptized, just
forgiven. In the eyes of the church, once a Catholic, always a Catholic.
Irritating, I know, but as I say, this wasn't set up to accommodate you.
There's also a practical problem. You can't have your name stricken from
the Catholic membership rolls, because there aren't any such rolls. Sure,
some records may be kept at the parish level, and if you're the determined
type I suppose you could get your name crossed off those. But the church
maintains no central registry. They figure God can keep track.
Fine, you say, but I still want to get excommunicated. OK, let me get out
my--whoops, Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft. Gotta get this library
organized. Ah, here we are, the Codex Juris Canonici. As revised in 1983,
there are nine grounds for excommunication--physical attack on the pope,
"violating the sacred species," procuring an abortion, etc.... all a little
drastic. Your best bet is "apostasy, heresy, or schism," canon 1364.
Probably the simplest thing is to join the Presbyterians. Voila, latae
sententiae (automatic) excommunication.
But I think what you're after is an official pronouncement of
excommunication (ferendae sententiae). Apparently the only way to do this
nowadays is to make a conspicuous pest of yourself. The ultraconservative
French archbishop Marcel LeFebvre did this by consecrating bishops without
authorization, which got him excommunicated in 1988. If he could get
himself formally kicked out, so can you, though it may require establishing
your own schismatic sect.
Who knows, maybe you could get the Holy See so ticked off they'd dust off
the old "book, bell, and candle" ceremony referred to above. First a bishop
and twelve priests appear holding lighted candles. The bishop then recites
a bloodcurdling formula:
We separate him, together with his accomplices and abettors, from the
precious body and blood of the Lord and from the society of all Christians;
we exclude him from our holy mother the church in heaven and on earth; we
declare him excommunicate and anathema; we judge him damned, with the devil
and his angels and all the reprobate, to eternal fire until he shall
recover himself from the toils of the devil and return to amendment and to
penitence.
The priests answer, "So be it!," whereupon the whole crew extinguish their
candles by dashing them to the ground. "
What I wouldn't give to have a video tape of that ceremony with me being
excommunicated.
rj
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"I'm an atheist, thank God." - Dave Allen
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16 May 2005 02:01:28 PM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 06:43:36 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:
There's also a practical problem. You can't have your name stricken from
the Catholic membership rolls, because there aren't any such rolls. Sure,
some records may be kept at the parish level, and if you're the determined
type I suppose you could get your name crossed off those. But the church
maintains no central registry. They figure God can keep track.
OTOH, "God" is not the one claiming membership figures of 1 billion in
the Country Club of Catholicism.
Ein Prosit der GemŸtlichkeit --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 May 2005 02:14:52 AM |
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rj wrote:
<snip >
There is no indication that I can find that being excommunicated
would remove you from the rolls of the church if they track such
things.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm describes what it is.
You can get back in any number of ways, even an excommunicated
priest, in the presence of a non excommucateed priest can forgive
your sins and bring you back if you are dying.
I have a few questions.
I want a certificate of excommunication! How do I get that? Do I
have to ask a priest for one?
Probably not. However There might be a business opportunity here.
If my fence of Ark wood with TrueCross (TM) nails was not going so well I'd
look into selling official excommunication documents.
They will be quite valuable when I get elected as the next pope. (Yes, I
will run again)
I retired from the RCC years ago. Does that count?
No. You are living in mortal sin because you don't go to mass etc.
Just commit an act of heresy. "Jesus Christ was not a god." or even "God
created Jesus Christ as a god." and you are automatically out.
Can I say I excommunicated the RCC instead of the other way around?
I don't think so.
Did the RCC excommunitate me the instant I excommunicated them?
Are my kids excommuncated too. They agree with the fact that god is
non-existent.
If they were never baptized they can't be excommunicated because they were
never catholics.
If I got a a tatoo that said "***** the skull of Jesus!" would that
make my excommunication permanent?
Remember Christ and Mary were physically taken into heaven. No skulls to
*****.
(Besides, they have sharp edges.)
Blasphemy against the hopy(oops, hopy, hokey, holy no big difference) ghost
is the only termagant damnation and the RCC has that covered with a clever
argument.
I guess I am a "bad catholic". That makes me very happy.
The RCC is not the worst of the lot by far and they have a lot of clever
"rules" that cover some of the serious questions a religious person should
ask.
That's one of the things that makes playing with Earl so much fun. He
doesn't know the rules, or if he does is to vain to admit it.
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15 May 2005 06:21:53 AM |
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On 14 May 2005 22:49:11 GMT, Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com>
wrote:
But the church still counts you as a member, and they parade that
membership around as a symbol of how powerful they are. If tomorrow they
started counting only those people who went to confession in, say, the
last five years, I bet the membership would be cut in half.
According to mikey, you're out whether the Church knows or not. But if the
Church doesn't know, how can they claim you're out and reduce the numbers?
That's the hole you just dug for yourself.
So I'll take a piece of that action. Say $1000 each that you're wrong on the
50% cut. Get mikey to set up the deal.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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16 May 2005 12:48:05 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
It's easy to do.
"... A latae sententiae excommunication is incurred automatically, under the
terms of the Code of Canon Law, as the punishment for certain offenses. In
the case of a latae sententiae excommunication, there is no requirement for
formal trial or announcement; in fact, the individual brings the punishment
upon himself.
Excommunication latae sententiae is the canonical punishment for offenses
such as heresy, violation of the seal of confession, or procuring an
abortion.
Questions for the expert:
I understand right: An abortion gets you automatically excommunicated.
Murder, be it one or genocide, doesn't?
Is this a case of "absolute" or "relative" morality?
How about confession? Will it remove the excommunication? ("I committed
heresy, abortion and some minor genocide." "You are forgiven. Say three
'Heil Marry' and then have some blood and flesh.")
Catholics guilty of these offenses are excommunicated
automatically, even in cases when Church authorities are unaware of their
offense. "
So to be excommunicated you just find something in the catechism that says
you must believe this or are guilty of heresy. Deny it.
Yooooooou're out.
But are they going to update their membership numbers? For most
ex-catholics that's the only thing that matters. It's just annoying to
do all this heresy thingy to get excommunicated, and next time they try
to influence some political decision the church stands there and says
"Hey, we've got x votes for you? Interested?"
j.m.
#1491
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15 May 2005 06:17:28 AM |
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 21:46:26 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
It's easy to do.
"... A latae sententiae excommunication is incurred automatically, under the
terms of the Code of Canon Law, as the punishment for certain offenses. In
the case of a latae sententiae excommunication, there is no requirement for
formal trial or announcement; in fact, the individual brings the punishment
upon himself.
Excommunication latae sententiae is the canonical punishment for offenses
such as heresy, violation of the seal of confession, or procuring an
abortion. Catholics guilty of these offenses are excommunicated
automatically, even in cases when Church authorities are unaware of their
offense. "
So to be excommunicated you just find something in the catechism that says
you must believe this or are guilty of heresy. Deny it.
Yooooooou're out.
Earl does this on a regular occasion, the last being his statement that
Christ was just a man while on Earth.
Well, the RCC says that Jesus was both fully man and fully divine during his
time on earth. The RCC says that God became man to die on the cross for the
redemption of man's sins and to restore salvation to his soul. The RCC goes
further to state that Jesus never called upon his divinity while on earth which
means that he felt every thorn, every scourge tear, every spear point, every
nail, every blow that penetrated his body.
Now that's what the RCC said to me, mikey. And I believe.
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church because the RCC is
the Church that Christ founded.
You just can't help not being able to keep what I say straight. Your senility
is setting in. Remember, though, that you still have the chance to return to
the church. Your excommunication can be repented of.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 May 2005 02:55:56 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 21:46:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
Earl does this on a regular occasion, the last being his statement
that Christ was just a man while on Earth.
Well, the RCC says that Jesus was both fully man and fully divine
during his time on earth. The RCC says that God became man to die on
the cross for the redemption of man's sins and to restore salvation
to his soul. The RCC goes further to state that Jesus never called
upon his divinity while on earth which means that he felt every
thorn, every scourge tear, every spear point, every nail, every blow
that penetrated his body.
Yes it does. But those who follow you and you yourself know you said just
the opposite a short time ago.
Now that's what the RCC said to me, mikey. And I believe.
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church because
the RCC is the Church that Christ founded.
You just can't help not being able to keep what I say straight. Your
senility is setting in. Remember, though, that you still have the
chance to return to the church. Your excommunication can be repented
of.
A guest speaker a few months ago discussed Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. There was
a checklist and one of the people I have to be around fit it perfectly. He
does the same as Earl does but in real time and is amazingly good at it. He
will say one thing, be shown wrong, and continue the conversation as though
he was the one who made the correct claim to start with.
One afternoon he gave explicit instructions on how to do something and
claimed that what was written on the device was backwards.
A few minutes later he tried to follow his instructions and failed again.
From a distance I asked what the print around the base of the black knob
was.
He, finally, read it. It said "Pull to relieve pressure." He pulled it and
oddly enough the pressure was released. HE smoothly gave directions,
supporting the writing on the device, and contradicting the directions he
gave earlier.
Earl has done the same thing here?
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| User: "duke" |
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16 May 2005 05:30:30 AM |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:55:56 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Well, the RCC says that Jesus was both fully man and fully divine
during his time on earth. The RCC says that God became man to die on
the cross for the redemption of man's sins and to restore salvation
to his soul. The RCC goes further to state that Jesus never called
upon his divinity while on earth which means that he felt every
thorn, every scourge tear, every spear point, every nail, every blow
that penetrated his body.
Yes it does. But those who follow you and you yourself know you said just
the opposite a short time ago.
Not a chance.
Now that's what the RCC said to me, mikey. And I believe.
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church because
the RCC is the Church that Christ founded.
You just can't help not being able to keep what I say straight. Your
senility is setting in. Remember, though, that you still have the
chance to return to the church. Your excommunication can be repented
of.
A guest speaker a few months ago discussed Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. There was
a checklist and one of the people I have to be around fit it perfectly. He
does the same as Earl does but in real time and is amazingly good at it. He
will say one thing, be shown wrong, and continue the conversation as though
he was the one who made the correct claim to start with.
The problem is that you haven't shown me wrong yet. I think your senility is
blocking your good judgment.
One afternoon he gave explicit instructions on how to do something and
claimed that what was written on the device was backwards.
A few minutes later he tried to follow his instructions and failed again.
From a distance I asked what the print around the base of the black knob
was.
He, finally, read it. It said "Pull to relieve pressure." He pulled it and
oddly enough the pressure was released. HE smoothly gave directions,
supporting the writing on the device, and contradicting the directions he
gave earlier.
Earl has done the same thing here?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Easy steps to excommunication |
16 May 2005 12:18:04 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2005 21:46:26 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
<snip >
The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its
members easily.
<snip>
It's easy to do.
"... A latae sententiae excommunication is incurred automatically, under the
terms of the Code of Canon Law, as the punishment for certain offenses. In
the case of a latae sententiae excommunication, there is no requirement for
formal trial or announcement; in fact, the individual brings the punishment
upon himself.
Excommunication latae sententiae is the canonical punishment for offenses
such as heresy, violation of the seal of confession, or procuring an
abortion. Catholics guilty of these offenses are excommunicated
automatically, even in cases when Church authorities are unaware of their
offense. "
So to be excommunicated you just find something in the catechism that says
you must believe this or are guilty of heresy. Deny it.
Yooooooou're out.
Earl does this on a regular occasion, the last being his statement that
Christ was just a man while on Earth.
Well, the RCC says that Jesus was both fully man and fully divine during his
time on earth. The RCC says that God became man to die on the cross for the
redemption of man's sins and to restore salvation to his soul. The RCC goes
further to state that Jesus never called upon his divinity while on earth which
means that he felt every thorn, every scourge tear, every spear point, every
nail, every blow that penetrated his body.
Now that's what the RCC said to me, mikey. And I believe.
You may believe anything you want, but you're not a catholic in good
standing. You are an heretic. You lack generosity and empathy.
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church because the RCC is
the Church that Christ founded.
The RCC is contrary to just about everything christian. Maybe that's why
you like it so much.
I still think you're a troll, anyway.
You just can't help not being able to keep what I say straight. Your senility
is setting in. Remember, though, that you still have the chance to return to
the church. Your excommunication can be repented of.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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16 May 2005 05:33:22 AM |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 01:18:04 -0400, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Well, the RCC says that Jesus was both fully man and fully divine during his
time on earth. The RCC says that God became man to die on the cross for the
redemption of man's sins and to restore salvation to his soul. The RCC goes
further to state that Jesus never called upon his divinity while on earth which
means that he felt every thorn, every scourge tear, every spear point, every
nail, every blow that penetrated his body.
Now that's what the RCC said to me, mikey. And I believe.
You may believe anything you want, but you're not a catholic in good
standing. You are an heretic. You lack generosity and empathy.
By trying to help you out of your spiritual suicide?
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church because the RCC is
the Church that Christ founded.
The RCC is contrary to just about everything christian. Maybe that's why
you like it so much.
Well now, there's certainly not much intelligence reflected in that comment.
Where is the Church founded by Christ contrary to Christ's teachings?
I still think you're a troll, anyway.
Can't be. A troll isn't interested in the subject matter.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "" |
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18 May 2005 12:12:19 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 01:18:04 -0400, Olrik
<olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Well, the RCC says that Jesus was both fully man and fully divine
during his
time on earth. The RCC says that God became man to die on the
cross for the
redemption of man's sins and to restore salvation to his soul.
The RCC goes
further to state that Jesus never called upon his divinity while
on earth which
means that he felt every thorn, every scourge tear, every spear
point, every
nail, every blow that penetrated his body.
Now that's what the RCC said to me, mikey. And I believe.
You may believe anything you want, but you're not a catholic in good
standing. You are an heretic. You lack generosity and empathy.
By trying to help you out of your spiritual suicide?
No, by ignoring the RCC teachings.
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church
because the RCC is
the Church that Christ founded.
The RCC is contrary to just about everything christian. Maybe that's
why
you like it so much.
Well now, there's certainly not much intelligence reflected in that
comment.
Where is the Church founded by Christ contrary to Christ's teachings?
Your "church" is just an organisation. To be "christian", one only has
to follow the ways of "Jesus Christ". There's no requirement in the
bible to be part of a multi-billion dollars empire.
Read your bible.
Be a christian.
I still think you're a troll, anyway.
Can't be. A troll isn't interested in the subject matter.
Ergo...
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Easy steps to excommunication |
18 May 2005 05:32:27 AM |
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On 17 May 2005 22:12:19 -0700, wrote:
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church
because the RCC is
the Church that Christ founded.
The RCC is contrary to just about everything christian. Maybe that's
why
you like it so much.
Well now, there's certainly not much intelligence reflected in that
comment.
Where is the Church founded by Christ contrary to Christ's teachings?
Your "church" is just an organisation. To be "christian", one only has
to follow the ways of "Jesus Christ". There's no requirement in the
bible to be part of a multi-billion dollars empire.
Read your bible.
Be a christian.
Ok.
I still think you're a troll, anyway.
Can't be. A troll isn't interested in the subject matter.
Ergo...
I love this news group. It's great to try to help out.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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18 May 2005 07:40:57 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 17 May 2005 22:12:19 -0700, wrote:
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church
because the RCC is
the Church that Christ founded.
The RCC is contrary to just about everything christian. Maybe that's
why
you like it so much.
Well now, there's certainly not much intelligence reflected in that
comment.
Where is the Church founded by Christ contrary to Christ's teachings?
Your "church" is just an organisation. To be "christian", one only has
to follow the ways of "Jesus Christ". There's no requirement in the
bible to be part of a multi-billion dollars empire.
Read your bible.
Be a christian.
Ok.
This time, read it, instead of taking out the equivalent of "movie
quotes" or "one-liners".
I still think you're a troll, anyway.
Can't be. A troll isn't interested in the subject matter.
Ergo...
I love this news group. It's great to try to help out.
Therefore, you admit to being a troll?
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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16 May 2005 06:33:33 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 01:18:04 -0400, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Well, the RCC says that Jesus was both fully man and fully divine during his
time on earth. The RCC says that God became man to die on the cross for the
redemption of man's sins and to restore salvation to his soul. The RCC goes
further to state that Jesus never called upon his divinity while on earth which
means that he felt every thorn, every scourge tear, every spear point, every
nail, every blow that penetrated his body.
Now that's what the RCC said to me, mikey. And I believe.
You may believe anything you want, but you're not a catholic in good
standing. You are an heretic. You lack generosity and empathy.
By trying to help you out of your spiritual suicide?
Yes, for you are not to judge others. You do not know God's Grand Plan,
so to judge people like Olrik as "committing spiritual suicide" is going
against God's Grand Plan.
Are you prepared for the consequences of your actions?
Keep in mind that when I say RCC, that means Christian Church because the RCC is
the Church that Christ founded.
The RCC is contrary to just about everything christian. Maybe that's why
you like it so much.
Well now, there's certainly not much intelligence reflected in that comment.
Where is the Church founded by Christ contrary to Christ's teachings?
Do you frequently sell everything you own to charity? For, you know,
it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a
rich man to enter Heaven...
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| User: "duke" |
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18 May 2005 05:30:26 AM |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 11:33:33 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
You may believe anything you want, but you're not a catholic in good
standing. You are an heretic. You lack generosity and empathy.
By trying to help you out of your spiritual suicide?
Yes, for you are not to judge others. You do not know God's Grand Plan,
so to judge people like Olrik as "committing spiritual suicide" is going
against God's Grand Plan.
Nope. I'm not passing judgment. But I do see what he's doing, and I'm trying
to help him. And that is exactly God's grand plan and what I as a Christian am
called to do.
Are you prepared for the consequences of your actions?
Yep.
The RCC is contrary to just about everything christian. Maybe that's why
you like it so much.
Well now, there's certainly not much intelligence reflected in that comment.
Where is the Church founded by Christ contrary to Christ's teachings?
Do you frequently sell everything you own to charity? For, you know,
it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a
rich man to enter Heaven...
Why?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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