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"Jason Spaceman" |
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18 Feb 2004 03:52:36 PM |
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Editorial: Attempted 'evolution' ban entirely misguided |
Douglas Theobald's "29 Evidences for Macroevolution" FAQ in the TO
archive gets a mention too
From the article:
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By Emerald editorial board
February 18, 2004
Here we go again.
Every year some hysterical backwater administrator in some Southern
state manages to wield the Bible like a scepter in a futile battle
against -- get this -- the word "evolution." It seems that these
people would rather our public schoolchildren be exposed only to the
notion that God created all, affectionately labeled "creationist
theory," and that science is all just a bunch of bunk.
Laughably, these people don't see the irony in proclaiming that
evolution is an aberrant, sacrilegious theory and that their personal
beliefs -- their faith, if you will -- are inarguable, concrete fact.
This year, the state of Georgia played host to the latest debacle. In
a semantic battle not unlike the flap over whether certain people are
entitled to use the word "marriage," a dozen science teachers rallied
to change the word "evolution" to "biological changes over time" in
the state's science curriculum, according to The Associated Press.
Apparently, the word "evolution" has become so loaded that to even
utter it could be tragically blasphemous -- perhaps sending all the
schoolchildren straight to hell in one fell swoop? -- and thus
reducing the argument from a scientific debate to a religious and
moral squabble. The whole affair reeked of Orwellian Newspeak, and the
suggestion was eventually dropped after legitimate professors,
educators and politicians spoke out.
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Read the rest at
http://www.dailyemerald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/02/18/403394013a306
J. Spaceman
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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18 Feb 2004 04:03:38 PM |
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In talk.origins Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Douglas Theobald's "29 Evidences for Macroevolution" FAQ in the TO
archive gets a mention too
From the article:
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By Emerald editorial board
February 18, 2004
Every year some hysterical backwater administrator in some Southern
state manages to wield the Bible like a scepter in a futile battle
I suppose state's like "Ohio" and "Iowa" and "Minnesota" were what
they were talking about, here?
Stupid Yankee.
rich
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| User: "Littleboy" |
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18 Feb 2004 04:45:57 PM |
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In article <1037oftnggd0hcd@corp.supernews.com>,
bubbarichau@warmmail.com says...
In talk.origins Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Douglas Theobald's "29 Evidences for Macroevolution" FAQ in the TO
archive gets a mention too
From the article:
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By Emerald editorial board
February 18, 2004
Every year some hysterical backwater administrator in some Southern
state manages to wield the Bible like a scepter in a futile battle
I suppose state's like "Ohio" and "Iowa" and "Minnesota" were what
they were talking about, here?
Stupid Yankee.
rich
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
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| User: "Reed A. Cartwright" |
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| Title: Re: Editorial: Attempted 'evolution' ban entirely misguided |
19 Feb 2004 12:26:36 AM |
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"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
Likewise, I don't travel to Canada because of that Mohawk Bridge thing.
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Reed A. Cartwright
Graduate Student
Department of Genetics
University of Georgia
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| User: "Littleboy" |
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19 Feb 2004 01:01:34 AM |
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In article <1038lv2hll9g6d7@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
Likewise, I don't travel to Canada because of that Mohawk Bridge thing.
Mr. Cartwright:
I have read many of your posts. I have found them be both lucid and
illuminating. I do, however, take great umbrage when certain persons,
and this does not in any way imply yourself, equate the "Stars and
Bars" with American patriotism. That is what I hear when I hear "stupid
Yankee".
To me, when I hear "stupid Yankee", I hear some potbellied, bull necked
sheriff saying that will teach those "Northern niggers to stay home". I
hear Governor Wallace saying "segregation now, segregation forever".
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
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| User: "Reed A. Cartwright" |
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20 Feb 2004 01:41:28 AM |
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"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9dffc7624b620f9896cd@news.comcast.giganews.com...
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
Isn't this just as bigoted and ignorant? You hate the South for what
happened forty years ago.
Do you offer the same hatred towards the rest of the country for its past
and current race problems? Every part of this country has its ghosts.
Unlike the rest of the nation, the South hasn't hid from its ghosts and has
made more progress than any other part of the country in the last four
decades.
I guess it would suprise you that my home state, Georgia, has more African
American representatives in Congress than any other state. That's 30% of
our delegation, which is even more than the precentage of African Americans
in the state. African Americans who once left the South as the land of
oppression are moving back to it as the land of opportunity.
Perhaps before you criticize the ignorance and bigotry of the South, you
should examine your own views.
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Reed A. Cartwright
Graduate Student
Department of Genetics
University of Georgia
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| User: "Littleboy" |
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20 Feb 2004 05:17:31 AM |
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In article <103benprhagel13@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9dffc7624b620f9896cd@news.comcast.giganews.com...
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
Isn't this just as bigoted and ignorant? You hate the South for what
happened forty years ago.
Do you offer the same hatred towards the rest of the country for its past
and current race problems? Every part of this country has its ghosts.
Unlike the rest of the nation, the South hasn't hid from its ghosts and has
made more progress than any other part of the country in the last four
decades.
I guess it would suprise you that my home state, Georgia, has more African
American representatives in Congress than any other state. That's 30% of
our delegation, which is even more than the precentage of African Americans
in the state. African Americans who once left the South as the land of
oppression are moving back to it as the land of opportunity.
Perhaps before you criticize the ignorance and bigotry of the South, you
should examine your own views.
First, a prelude:
My high school German teacher tried to flee Germany and the Nazis in the
late 30s. She and her family made it as far as Copenhagen, where she
spent the war hiding in a garret. To this day she has vivid memories of
watching Swedish ore carriers carrying iron ore to feed Germany's war
machine. She has yet to forgive the Swedes. Is she ignorant and bigoted?
I don't think she is.
Now to our, I hope, points of agreement:
As I said, what I saw in the 50s and 60s changed how I viewed the
country, not just the South. The South, however took the brunt of what I
saw because of the outrageous actions of a few.
I live in the Northwest, and we have our own dirty history. Many towns
had "sundowner" laws well into the 70s. I didn't travel to those towns
then, and I do my best to avoid them now. Consider that my version of
"treble damages". There are businesses I don't patronize because of
their racist history. Call it leveling the playing field.
At one time Portland, Oregon was considered to be one of the most
desegregated towns on the Pacific coast. Then came the Second World War,
and an influx of African-Americans from the South seeking economic and
political opportunity. Real estate interests responded to this by red-
lining the city. And Portland is paying the price of this racism to this
day. The same thing happened in Chicago, Detroit, and countless other
Northern cities. The only difference between racism in the North and
racism in the South is the relative subtlety of the practice in the
North.
I have missed much that the South has to offer. Haven't been to the
Great Smokey Mountains. Haven't been to Martinsville to see a NASCAR
race. Haven't been to Cape Canaveral to see a man sent into space.
Haven't been to Appalachia to hear Sacred-Heart singing. This is,
without a doubt, my loss.
Jeez, this is kinda like Neil Young vs. Lynyrd Skynyrd.
I'm sorry I'm such a poor writer. I do not wish to cause offense, and
the fault, in part, lies in my communication skills.
And for, what it's worth (sorry about the allusion), I wrote the "Daily
Emerald" and took them to task for slur implying that the political
battle over science education was a benchmark of the "backwater" South.
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| User: "Reed A. Cartwright" |
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22 Feb 2004 03:12:50 AM |
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"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9f8d24f1e43bb39896d1@news.comcast.giganews.com...
There are businesses I don't patronize because of
their racist history. Call it leveling the playing field.
Why don't you take that same attitude with the South, instead of writing the
entire region off?
--
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Reed A. Cartwright
Graduate Student
Department of Genetics
University of Georgia
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| User: "Littleboy" |
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22 Feb 2004 04:27:11 AM |
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In article <103gsrmkqdpredf@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9f8d24f1e43bb39896d1@news.comcast.giganews.com...
There are businesses I don't patronize because of
their racist history. Call it leveling the playing field.
Why don't you take that same attitude with the South, instead of writing the
entire region off?
Oh, I'm sure I'll get there. I do keep a list of places to see.
Everglades and Okefenokee have always sounded like a must see. And I've
been told you guys out there might have something called white water
rafting, but us Western boys think that just might be a rumour. But
first I'd have to go visit an old college roomie so she can get me back
into saying y'all. Give me a couple of beers and I end up with this
weird accent that's a cross between my grandparent's Canadian accent and
her Arkansas accent (Y'all come back, eh). Hell, when I got back from
Norway, I sounded like a Norwegian bachelor farmer.
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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22 Feb 2004 11:19:40 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:27:11 +0000, Littleboy wrote:
In article <103gsrmkqdpredf@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9f8d24f1e43bb39896d1@news.comcast.giganews.com...
There are businesses I don't patronize because of
their racist history. Call it leveling the playing field.
Why don't you take that same attitude with the South, instead of writing
the entire region off?
Oh, I'm sure I'll get there. I do keep a list of places to see. Everglades
and Okefenokee have always sounded like a must see. And I've been told you
guys out there might have something called white water rafting, but us
Western boys think that just might be a rumour. But first I'd have to go
visit an old college roomie so she can get me back into saying y'all. Give
me a couple of beers and I end up with this weird accent that's a cross
between my grandparent's Canadian accent and her Arkansas accent (Y'all
come back, eh). Hell, when I got back from Norway, I sounded like a
Norwegian bachelor farmer.
There are bachelor farms in Norway? What do you use for fertilizer?
--
....and it is my belief that no greater good has ever befallen you in this city
than my service to my God. [...] Wealth does not bring goodness, but goodness
brings wealth and every other blessing, both to the individual and that state.
Plato, quoting Socrates, from The _Apology_
--Daniel Harper
(Change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "Littleboy" |
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23 Feb 2004 12:05:10 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.02.23.05.33.32.484578@terralink.net>,
daniel_harper@terralink.net says...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:27:11 +0000, Littleboy wrote:
In article <103gsrmkqdpredf@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9f8d24f1e43bb39896d1@news.comcast.giganews.com...
There are businesses I don't patronize because of
their racist history. Call it leveling the playing field.
Why don't you take that same attitude with the South, instead of writing
the entire region off?
Oh, I'm sure I'll get there. I do keep a list of places to see. Everglades
and Okefenokee have always sounded like a must see. And I've been told you
guys out there might have something called white water rafting, but us
Western boys think that just might be a rumour. But first I'd have to go
visit an old college roomie so she can get me back into saying y'all. Give
me a couple of beers and I end up with this weird accent that's a cross
between my grandparent's Canadian accent and her Arkansas accent (Y'all
come back, eh). Hell, when I got back from Norway, I sounded like a
Norwegian bachelor farmer.
There are bachelor farms in Norway? What do you use for fertilizer?
Lutefisk. It keeps the pests away.
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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23 Feb 2004 10:32:22 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:05:10 +0000, Littleboy wrote:
In article <pan.2004.02.23.05.33.32.484578@terralink.net>,
daniel_harper@terralink.net says...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:27:11 +0000, Littleboy wrote:
In article <103gsrmkqdpredf@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9f8d24f1e43bb39896d1@news.comcast.giganews.com...
There are businesses I don't patronize because of
their racist history. Call it leveling the playing field.
Why don't you take that same attitude with the South, instead of
writing the entire region off?
Oh, I'm sure I'll get there. I do keep a list of places to see.
Everglades and Okefenokee have always sounded like a must see. And
I've been told you guys out there might have something called white
water rafting, but us Western boys think that just might be a rumour.
But first I'd have to go visit an old college roomie so she can get me
back into saying y'all. Give me a couple of beers and I end up with
this weird accent that's a cross between my grandparent's Canadian
accent and her Arkansas accent (Y'all come back, eh). Hell, when I got
back from Norway, I sounded like a Norwegian bachelor farmer.
There are bachelor farms in Norway? What do you use for fertilizer?
Lutefisk. It keeps the pests away.
From what I hear it keeps _everyone_ away. Especially bachelors. Maybe
only near harvesting time?
--
....and it is my belief that no greater good has ever befallen you in this city
than my service to my God. [...] Wealth does not bring goodness, but goodness
brings wealth and every other blessing, both to the individual and that state.
Plato, quoting Socrates, from The _Apology_
--Daniel Harper
(Change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "Michael Clark" |
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20 Feb 2004 07:45:47 AM |
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"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9f8d24f1e43bb39896d1@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <103benprhagel13@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9dffc7624b620f9896cd@news.comcast.giganews.com...
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of
this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned
on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
Isn't this just as bigoted and ignorant? You hate the South for what
happened forty years ago.
Do you offer the same hatred towards the rest of the country for its
past
and current race problems? Every part of this country has its ghosts.
Unlike the rest of the nation, the South hasn't hid from its ghosts and
has
made more progress than any other part of the country in the last four
decades.
I guess it would suprise you that my home state, Georgia, has more
African
American representatives in Congress than any other state. That's 30%
of
our delegation, which is even more than the precentage of African
Americans
in the state. African Americans who once left the South as the land of
oppression are moving back to it as the land of opportunity.
Perhaps before you criticize the ignorance and bigotry of the South, you
should examine your own views.
First, a prelude:
My high school German teacher tried to flee Germany and the Nazis in the
late 30s. She and her family made it as far as Copenhagen, where she
spent the war hiding in a garret. To this day she has vivid memories of
watching Swedish ore carriers carrying iron ore to feed Germany's war
machine. She has yet to forgive the Swedes. Is she ignorant and bigoted?
I don't think she is.
Now to our, I hope, points of agreement:
As I said, what I saw in the 50s and 60s changed how I viewed the
country, not just the South. The South, however took the brunt of what I
saw because of the outrageous actions of a few.
I live in the Northwest, and we have our own dirty history. Many towns
had "sundowner" laws well into the 70s. I didn't travel to those towns
then, and I do my best to avoid them now. Consider that my version of
"treble damages". There are businesses I don't patronize because of
their racist history. Call it leveling the playing field.
At one time Portland, Oregon was considered to be one of the most
desegregated towns on the Pacific coast. Then came the Second World War,
and an influx of African-Americans from the South seeking economic and
political opportunity. Real estate interests responded to this by red-
lining the city. And Portland is paying the price of this racism to this
day. The same thing happened in Chicago, Detroit, and countless other
Northern cities. The only difference between racism in the North and
racism in the South is the relative subtlety of the practice in the
North.
I have missed much that the South has to offer. Haven't been to the
Great Smokey Mountains. Haven't been to Martinsville to see a NASCAR
race. Haven't been to Cape Canaveral to see a man sent into space.
Haven't been to Appalachia to hear Sacred-Heart singing. This is,
without a doubt, my loss.
Jeez, this is kinda like Neil Young vs. Lynyrd Skynyrd.
I'm sorry I'm such a poor writer. I do not wish to cause offense, and
the fault, in part, lies in my communication skills.
And for, what it's worth (sorry about the allusion), I wrote the "Daily
Emerald" and took them to task for slur implying that the political
battle over science education was a benchmark of the "backwater" South.
Who said you were a poor writer? Your problem
is that the world is so full of poor readers --some of
them from Georgia....
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23 Feb 2004 02:55:19 AM |
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Littleboy wrote:
I have missed much that the South has to offer. Haven't been to the
Great Smokey Mountains. Haven't been to Martinsville to see a NASCAR
race. Haven't been to Cape Canaveral to see a man sent into space.
Your loss on the trip to the cape. florida is not the south.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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23 Feb 2004 10:23:03 PM |
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kegwasher <washer_of_kegs@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<c1cfcp$6ok$04$1@news.t-online.com>...
Littleboy wrote:
I have missed much that the South has to offer. Haven't been to the
Great Smokey Mountains. Haven't been to Martinsville to see a NASCAR
race. Haven't been to Cape Canaveral to see a man sent into space.
Your loss on the trip to the cape. florida is not the south.
Why do you think that?
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| User: "rich hammett" |
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24 Feb 2004 11:02:46 AM |
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In talk.origins JessHC <jesshc@phantomemail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
kegwasher <washer_of_kegs@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<c1cfcp$6ok$04$1@news.t-online.com>...
Littleboy wrote:
I have missed much that the South has to offer. Haven't been to the
Great Smokey Mountains. Haven't been to Martinsville to see a NASCAR
race. Haven't been to Cape Canaveral to see a man sent into space.
Your loss on the trip to the cape. florida is not the south.
Why do you think that?
That's a well-known fact. Once you leave the panhandle, you're
traveling in yankee-land's southern branch.
rich
--
-to reply, it's hot not warm
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\ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett
/ "Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world;
\ than the pride that divides
/ when a colorful rag is unfurled."
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| User: "Ferrous Patella" |
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24 Feb 2004 11:59:27 AM |
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news:103n1543uasm8f1@corp.supernews.com by rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com>:
In talk.origins JessHC <jesshc@phantomemail.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin
hämähäkki:
kegwasher <washer_of_kegs@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:<c1cfcp$6ok$04$1@news.t-online.com>...
Littleboy wrote:
I have missed much that the South has to offer. Haven't been to
the Great Smokey Mountains. Haven't been to Martinsville to see a
NASCAR race. Haven't been to Cape Canaveral to see a man sent into
space.
Your loss on the trip to the cape. florida is not the south.
Why do you think that?
That's a well-known fact. Once you leave the panhandle, you're
traveling in yankee-land's southern branch.
Actually, you can get to the real south in Florida if you leave the coast
by more than 10 miles. However, it is like Canada and the US border, where
90% of the population is within something like 100km of the line.
--
Ferrous Patella
"Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war."
--John Adams, letter to Abigail, 1797
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| User: "howard hershey" |
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20 Feb 2004 08:03:23 AM |
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Reed A. Cartwright wrote:
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9dffc7624b620f9896cd@news.comcast.giganews.com...
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
Isn't this just as bigoted and ignorant? You hate the South for what
happened forty years ago.
Do you offer the same hatred towards the rest of the country for its past
and current race problems? Every part of this country has its ghosts.
Unlike the rest of the nation, the South hasn't hid from its ghosts and has
made more progress than any other part of the country in the last four
decades.
I guess it would suprise you that my home state, Georgia, has more African
American representatives in Congress than any other state. That's 30% of
our delegation, which is even more than the precentage of African Americans
in the state. African Americans who once left the South as the land of
oppression are moving back to it as the land of opportunity.
Of course the *reason* for this is that the Republicans and some others
in the state legislature wanted to create these majority black districts
to make the remaining districts *less* competitive and more likely to
elect Republicans/extreme conservatives. 30% was the cost of gaining
70%. That is what gerrymandering is all about. Rather than split the
black vote so that they become a critical bloc in many districts, say
those surrounding Atlanta, concentrate them so that they are sure to get
"their" representative and the white suburbs are sure to get a white
Republican to the right of Attila the Hun. This is part of what leads
to political extremism in both directions.
That said, I do believe that Georgia does have at least one black
representative from a majority white district, so that clearly
represents a major change from the past and is a reflection of that sea
change.
Perhaps before you criticize the ignorance and bigotry of the South, you
should examine your own views.
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:01:34 +0000 (UTC), Littleboy
<allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote:
In article <1038lv2hll9g6d7@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
Likewise, I don't travel to Canada because of that Mohawk Bridge thing.
Mr. Cartwright:
I have read many of your posts. I have found them be both lucid and
illuminating. I do, however, take great umbrage when certain persons,
and this does not in any way imply yourself, equate the "Stars and
Bars" with American patriotism. That is what I hear when I hear "stupid
Yankee".
To me, when I hear "stupid Yankee", I hear some potbellied, bull necked
sheriff saying that will teach those "Northern niggers to stay home". I
hear Governor Wallace saying "segregation now, segregation forever".
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
I was born in North Carolina in 1961. I grew up with whites, blacks
and the civil rights movement. As young as 6, I knew racism was
inconsistent and stupid. (I'm sure it helped that my parents were not
racist.)
In my twenties and thirties, I traveled all over the country, and
found racists everywhere. In many cases, they were more ubiquitous and
vocal than in my locale; California: Blacks and Mexicans; Minnesota:
Indians; New England: Blacks; New York: Jews, Puerto Ricans and
Blacks; Florida: Jews, Cubans and Blue-hairs; Chicago: Any one else's
ethnic group.
My part of the south is like anywhere else: only the ignorant give a
***** about someone else's color or ethnicity. The rabid southern
racists of the mid-20th century are now either dead or too old to
matter.
I do not argue that there are no racists in general, or that there are
no southern racists in particular. But they seem to me to be no more
concentrated in the southern US than anywhere else.
However, keep in mind I've never been to Alabama. Perhaps someone else
will speak for them...
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19 Feb 2004 11:27:50 AM |
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In talk.origins Severian <severian@chlamydia-is-not-a-flower.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:01:34 +0000 (UTC), Littleboy
<allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote:
In article <1038lv2hll9g6d7@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
Likewise, I don't travel to Canada because of that Mohawk Bridge thing.
Mr. Cartwright:
I have read many of your posts. I have found them be both lucid and
illuminating. I do, however, take great umbrage when certain persons,
and this does not in any way imply yourself, equate the "Stars and
Bars" with American patriotism. That is what I hear when I hear "stupid
Yankee".
To me, when I hear "stupid Yankee", I hear some potbellied, bull necked
sheriff saying that will teach those "Northern niggers to stay home". I
hear Governor Wallace saying "segregation now, segregation forever".
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
I was born in North Carolina in 1961. I grew up with whites, blacks
and the civil rights movement. As young as 6, I knew racism was
inconsistent and stupid. (I'm sure it helped that my parents were not
racist.)
In my twenties and thirties, I traveled all over the country, and
found racists everywhere. In many cases, they were more ubiquitous and
vocal than in my locale; California: Blacks and Mexicans; Minnesota:
Indians; New England: Blacks; New York: Jews, Puerto Ricans and
Blacks; Florida: Jews, Cubans and Blue-hairs; Chicago: Any one else's
ethnic group.
My part of the south is like anywhere else: only the ignorant give a
***** about someone else's color or ethnicity. The rabid southern
racists of the mid-20th century are now either dead or too old to
matter.
I do not argue that there are no racists in general, or that there are
no southern racists in particular. But they seem to me to be no more
concentrated in the southern US than anywhere else.
However, keep in mind I've never been to Alabama. Perhaps someone else
will speak for them...
First, given the fact that my original comment was obviously
sarcastic, pointing out the ignorant prejudice of the
Emerald's editorial staff, I have to assume that our
Canuck friend doesn't understand intentional, blindingly
obvious irony.
Alabama is very similar to North Carolina, although the average
education level is probably slightly lower. The South has had
to deal with the "race issue" for a long time. It hasn't reached
a good solution, yet, but at least it's had to face the problem.
Have you wondered why the modern racist movement is centered
in Washington/Idaho/Montana/Utah?
rich
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\ than the pride that divides
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19 Feb 2004 02:30:50 PM |
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In article <1039sn0n6dodm40@corp.supernews.com>,
bubbarichau@warmmail.com says...
In talk.origins Severian <severian@chlamydia-is-not-a-flower.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:01:34 +0000 (UTC), Littleboy
<allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote:
In article <1038lv2hll9g6d7@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
Likewise, I don't travel to Canada because of that Mohawk Bridge thing.
Mr. Cartwright:
I have read many of your posts. I have found them be both lucid and
illuminating. I do, however, take great umbrage when certain persons,
and this does not in any way imply yourself, equate the "Stars and
Bars" with American patriotism. That is what I hear when I hear "stupid
Yankee".
To me, when I hear "stupid Yankee", I hear some potbellied, bull necked
sheriff saying that will teach those "Northern niggers to stay home". I
hear Governor Wallace saying "segregation now, segregation forever".
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
I was born in North Carolina in 1961. I grew up with whites, blacks
and the civil rights movement. As young as 6, I knew racism was
inconsistent and stupid. (I'm sure it helped that my parents were not
racist.)
In my twenties and thirties, I traveled all over the country, and
found racists everywhere. In many cases, they were more ubiquitous and
vocal than in my locale; California: Blacks and Mexicans; Minnesota:
Indians; New England: Blacks; New York: Jews, Puerto Ricans and
Blacks; Florida: Jews, Cubans and Blue-hairs; Chicago: Any one else's
ethnic group.
My part of the south is like anywhere else: only the ignorant give a
***** about someone else's color or ethnicity. The rabid southern
racists of the mid-20th century are now either dead or too old to
matter.
I do not argue that there are no racists in general, or that there are
no southern racists in particular. But they seem to me to be no more
concentrated in the southern US than anywhere else.
However, keep in mind I've never been to Alabama. Perhaps someone else
will speak for them...
First, given the fact that my original comment was obviously
sarcastic, pointing out the ignorant prejudice of the
Emerald's editorial staff, I have to assume that our
Canuck friend doesn't understand intentional, blindingly
obvious irony.
Alabama is very similar to North Carolina, although the average
education level is probably slightly lower. The South has had
to deal with the "race issue" for a long time. It hasn't reached
a good solution, yet, but at least it's had to face the problem.
Have you wondered why the modern racist movement is centered
in Washington/Idaho/Montana/Utah?
rich
I totally missed the sarcasm, though I can, on occasion, understand
intentional, blindingly obvious irony (though, clearly, not this time).
Ah, how the subtleties of the spoken word are missed. Hence those little
emoticons. A friend of mine uses what she calls "assicons". I keep
getting the one that look like this "(!)". Even I can't miss that
subtlety.
I find it repugnant that some people, most notably the Christian
Identity movement, seem to feel a philosophical affinity for the
Northwest, especially north Idaho. I don't think anyone is more
concerned about this than me. My father was born in north Idaho (my
mother in Saskatchewan) and it is repellant to me that these odious
excuses for humanity wish to make this region their home.
There is a town in the North Cascades, which shall go nameless, that
until recently, the local county would not send employees singlely.
Someone always had to ride along as shotgun. This local hostility was
(apocryphally) attributed to an influx of poor southern whites who moved
to the area during the Great Depression. It was rumored to be a great
place to buy "corn in a jar" (and if you get that reference, and the
musical style in which it would be found, you might infer the town I'm
talking about). I wouldn't know, as a university student there in the
'60s, we were explicitly warned to not to go to this area.
It would hypocritical of me to claim that we in the Northwest hold some
sort of moral high ground in the fight against hate. We don't. We need
to fight hate wherever we find it, in whoever we find it. That goes for
the those who wrote the editorial slurs found in the "Daily Emerald". I
don't believe that there is anyone as smug as a college undergraduate.
Some serious dumb slaps need to handed out. I have sent a letter to the
editor of the "Daily Emerald" concerning this. Would anyone care to
join? As they said in "O' Brother...", "Come on in boys, the water is
fine".
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19 Feb 2004 11:12:23 AM |
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Severian wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:01:34 +0000 (UTC), Littleboy
<allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote:
In article <1038lv2hll9g6d7@corp.supernews.com>,
says...
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
Likewise, I don't travel to Canada because of that Mohawk Bridge thing.
Mr. Cartwright:
I have read many of your posts. I have found them be both lucid and
illuminating. I do, however, take great umbrage when certain persons,
and this does not in any way imply yourself, equate the "Stars and
Bars" with American patriotism. That is what I hear when I hear "stupid
Yankee".
To me, when I hear "stupid Yankee", I hear some potbellied, bull necked
sheriff saying that will teach those "Northern niggers to stay home". I
hear Governor Wallace saying "segregation now, segregation forever".
I doubt I will ever be able to see the South outside of the eyes of this
young teenager, watching the police dogs, the fire hoses being turned on
civil rights protesters. It forever changed my relationship with this
country.
I was born in North Carolina in 1961. I grew up with whites, blacks
and the civil rights movement. As young as 6, I knew racism was
inconsistent and stupid. (I'm sure it helped that my parents were not
racist.)
In my twenties and thirties, I traveled all over the country, and
found racists everywhere. In many cases, they were more ubiquitous and
vocal than in my locale; California: Blacks and Mexicans; Minnesota:
Indians; New England: Blacks; New York: Jews, Puerto Ricans and
Blacks; Florida: Jews, Cubans and Blue-hairs; Chicago: Any one else's
ethnic group.
My part of the south is like anywhere else: only the ignorant give a
***** about someone else's color or ethnicity. The rabid southern
racists of the mid-20th century are now either dead or too old to
matter.
I do not argue that there are no racists in general, or that there are
no southern racists in particular. But they seem to me to be no more
concentrated in the southern US than anywhere else.
However, keep in mind I've never been to Alabama. Perhaps someone else
will speak for them...
I will. I was born in Gadsen and my family is concentrated in the Dekalb
county area. I grew up during the 70's and visited this area frequently,
racism was quite clearly dying out even then. Today my parents home
town's business district has become predominantly hispanic which is
single-handedly saving the town from fading away. There remain some
bigoted people including some of my relatives but there is no organized
entrenched Klan anymore. I find that racists are much more common, vocal
and violent here in Chicago than they are in rural NE Alabama.
Anyone who chooses not to travel in SE US due to 30 to 40 year old
events is missing some of the worlds most truly beautiful country. The
views from Sand and Lookout mountains are unbelievable.
Ken
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19 Feb 2004 12:38:07 PM |
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In talk.origins Ken Shaw <none.of@your.biz> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Anyone who chooses not to travel in SE US due to 30 to 40 year old
events is missing some of the worlds most truly beautiful country. The
views from Sand and Lookout mountains are unbelievable.
I just left Huntsville after 5 years there. With our familees
all concentrated in the Atlanta area, we made the drive over
both of those twice a month. The interstate (through
Chattanooga or Birmingham) took about the same amount
of time, but we always took the mountain highways
through Mentone.
There's a good sandwich and chili place in Mentone. And you
can hear locals gathered around the fireplace complaining about
all of the big city problems they had to deal with when they
went into town--gangs and other crime, that only happened, they
said, in the big city. The city they were talking about? Rome,
Georgia.
I miss that drive, although our occasional trips to
Lancaster County, PA, are very similar.
rich
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\ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett
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\ than the pride that divides
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20 Feb 2004 07:26:34 PM |
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rich hammett wrote:
In talk.origins Ken Shaw <none.of@your.biz> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Anyone who chooses not to travel in SE US due to 30 to 40 year old
events is missing some of the worlds most truly beautiful country. The
views from Sand and Lookout mountains are unbelievable.
I just left Huntsville after 5 years there. With our familees
all concentrated in the Atlanta area, we made the drive over
both of those twice a month. The interstate (through
Chattanooga or Birmingham) took about the same amount
of time, but we always took the mountain highways
through Mentone.
There's a good sandwich and chili place in Mentone. And you
can hear locals gathered around the fireplace complaining about
all of the big city problems they had to deal with when they
went into town--gangs and other crime, that only happened, they
said, in the big city. The city they were talking about? Rome,
Georgia.
I miss that drive, although our occasional trips to
Lancaster County, PA, are very similar.
My family moved to Conyers (just outside of Atlanta) when I was quite
young and I have made the trip many times although probably used
different highways to make the trip since we came over Lookout Mt. at
Collinsville. My family is from Collinsville and Crossville so Mentone
is the wrong side of Ft. Payne for us. Do you happen to remember the
name of that chili place? I'm always on the lookout for good food in the
area.
Ken
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21 Feb 2004 10:38:07 AM |
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In talk.origins I read this message from "Reed A. Cartwright"
<racSPAM@BLOCKuga.edu>:
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
Likewise, I don't travel to Canada because of that Mohawk Bridge thing.
Do you mean Mercier Bridge?
(http://www.geocities.com/av_team2001/oka.html) If so, the U.S.
has done far worse things.
--
Matt Silberstein
Donate to the C.A.N.D.L.E.S. Museum, burnt down by arson who wrote
"Remember Timothy McVeigh" on the wall.
C.A.N.D.L.E.S. stands for Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiments
Survivors.
www.candles-museum.com
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18 Feb 2004 06:00:20 PM |
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"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
In article <1037oftnggd0hcd@corp.supernews.com>,
bubbarichau@warmmail.com says...
In talk.origins Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> sanoi,
hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
Douglas Theobald's "29 Evidences for Macroevolution" FAQ in the TO
archive gets a mention too
From the article:
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By Emerald editorial board
February 18, 2004
Every year some hysterical backwater administrator in some Southern
state manages to wield the Bible like a scepter in a futile battle
I suppose state's like "Ohio" and "Iowa" and "Minnesota" were what
they were talking about, here?
Stupid Yankee.
rich
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South. Call it a slavery thing, a Civil War thing (and I don't need
to hear any of that "War of Northern Agression" revisionist *****),
or maybe it's just a civil rights thing. Does the name Emmett Till ring
a bell? Does the name Sheriff Bull Connor ring a bell?.
That stuff is ancient history fella...are you scared to come down south
because of things that happened a half century ago...it's not like that
anymore...many of the folk down here might be Bible thumpers, but the days
of explicit racism are pretty much gone.
For me, being of Canadian heritage, a backwater Soputhern state could be
any one of a number of those South of the 48th parallel.
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20 Feb 2004 02:11:04 PM |
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"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South.
You're missing out on a lot of great food, scenery, history and people. A
life-long Northerner and atheist, I made a road trip through the Deep South
and found it a rewarding travel experience.
--
Peacenik
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21 Feb 2004 04:53:03 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:11:04 +0000 (UTC), "Peacenik"
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net>, Message ID:
<CUtZb.87769$jk2.435141@attbi_s53> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South.
You're missing out on a lot of great food, scenery, history and people. A
life-long Northerner and atheist, I made a road trip through the Deep South
and found it a rewarding travel experience.
I, a northerner as well, was stationed in Biloxi, Miss. for six months
during the early 1980's. I didn't have a lick of a problem and found
the people friendly and delightful.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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21 Feb 2004 11:19:42 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:53:03 +0000 (UTC), stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:11:04 +0000 (UTC), "Peacenik"
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net>, Message ID:
<CUtZb.87769$jk2.435141@attbi_s53> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South.
You're missing out on a lot of great food, scenery, history and people. A
life-long Northerner and atheist, I made a road trip through the Deep South
and found it a rewarding travel experience.
I, a northerner as well, was stationed in Biloxi, Miss. for six months
during the early 1980's. I didn't have a lick of a problem and found
the people friendly and delightful.
Cool... my dad was one of them thar yankees, stationed in Biloxi in
the 50's. Apparently, he met a nice southern belle, and the rest was,
as they say, history.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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24 Feb 2004 10:36:56 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 05:19:42 +0000 (UTC),
zamboni30000@knowspamatyahoo.com, Message ID:
<keeg30l8mvsk2ims848e4c81l5rv4tvi2b@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:53:03 +0000 (UTC), stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:11:04 +0000 (UTC), "Peacenik"
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net>, Message ID:
<CUtZb.87769$jk2.435141@attbi_s53> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Littleboy" <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a9d8bb6407501509896c6@news.comcast.giganews.com...
Well, I must admit that some of us "Yankees" do have a prejudice against
the South. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to not travel in
the South.
You're missing out on a lot of great food, scenery, history and people. A
life-long Northerner and atheist, I made a road trip through the Deep South
and found it a rewarding travel experience.
I, a northerner as well, was stationed in Biloxi, Miss. for six months
during the early 1980's. I didn't have a lick of a problem and found
the people friendly and delightful.
Cool... my dad was one of them thar yankees, stationed in Biloxi in
the 50's. Apparently, he met a nice southern belle, and the rest was,
as they say, history.
Indeed. The USN sub base in Scotland had the nickname "Honeymoon Suite"
since so many married Scots gals.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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