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"Beowulf" |
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28 Sep 2003 07:56:59 AM |
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effect of sunday school on children? |
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
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| User: "rita" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
28 Sep 2003 12:58:23 PM |
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"Beowulf" <beowulf@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.28.07.56.58.477528.11952@nowhere.net...
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality.
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Well, if those were the only two choices, you couldn't draw very valid
conclusions, and wouldn't have conducted much of a study.
How about including a sample of children raised with theistic beliefs
that INCLUDE self-empowerment and common-sense morality?
I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
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If they did the kind of limited, biased study you suggest, it would not
produce any "proof" worth discussing.
~Rita
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
28 Sep 2003 01:21:40 PM |
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"rita" <rita66@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:3jFdb.29824$nU6.5291792@twister.nyc.rr.com...
"Beowulf" <beowulf@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.28.07.56.58.477528.11952@nowhere.net...
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality.
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Well, if those were the only two choices, you couldn't draw very
valid
conclusions, and wouldn't have conducted much of a study.
How about including a sample of children raised with theistic beliefs
that INCLUDE self-empowerment and common-sense morality?
I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
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If they did the kind of limited, biased study you suggest, it would
not
produce any "proof" worth discussing.
The problem with such a study would be who gets to evaluate the results. Who
judges "psychosocial well being"?
I suspect you'll get a different interpretation from a theistic researcher
than from a non-theistic one.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Dr DuFunny" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
28 Sep 2003 02:39:33 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:UEFdb.128732$z32.116515@twister.austin.rr.com...
"rita" <rita66@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:3jFdb.29824$nU6.5291792@twister.nyc.rr.com...
"Beowulf" <beowulf@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.28.07.56.58.477528.11952@nowhere.net...
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality.
---------------------
Well, if those were the only two choices, you couldn't draw very
valid
conclusions, and wouldn't have conducted much of a study.
How about including a sample of children raised with theistic
beliefs
that INCLUDE self-empowerment and common-sense morality?
I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody
would
have studied this.
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If they did the kind of limited, biased study you suggest, it would
not
produce any "proof" worth discussing.
The problem with such a study would be who gets to evaluate the results.
Who
judges "psychosocial well being"?
I suspect you'll get a different interpretation from a theistic researcher
than from a non-theistic one.
the other problem is that it would be non-meaningful in a statistical or
scientific sense to try to figure out the result of Sunday school vis-a-vis
the effect of having Christians as parents.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Lee Dimas" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
29 Sep 2003 01:00:25 AM |
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In article <3jFdb.29824$nU6.5291792@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
"rita" <rita66@webtv.net> wrote:
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality.
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Well, if those were the only two choices, you couldn't draw very valid
conclusions, and wouldn't have conducted much of a study.
How about including a sample of children raised with theistic beliefs
that INCLUDE self-empowerment and common-sense morality?
Sure. Include both of them if you want. :-)
Lee Dimas
Surely you can figure out my address.
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| User: "Dr DuFunny" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
28 Sep 2003 02:39:29 PM |
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"Beowulf" <beowulf@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.28.07.56.58.477528.11952@nowhere.net...
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
The beliefs' content is not the problem as far as children are concerned.
It's the attitude of the parents who are crazy enough to believe anything.
BTW Christianity and Judaism teach or justify child abuse. However, it's
not absolutely mandatory.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
28 Sep 2003 06:12:33 PM |
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Beowulf <beowulf@nowhere.net> thought hard and said:
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
28 Sep 2003 11:09:24 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
--
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the
spinal cord would fully suffice."
- Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "sdq" |
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29 Sep 2003 12:18:28 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
:-)
sdq
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Sep 2003 09:33:09 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
I'm playing to an audience of comedians. :)
--
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
30 Sep 2003 08:09:14 AM |
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In article <hqqhnvgs8ieper0dr1p8v2bbdhonbl61pd@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
I'm playing to an audience of comedians. :)
And this surprises you? :)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Sep 2003 08:12:21 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:09:14 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <hqqhnvgs8ieper0dr1p8v2bbdhonbl61pd@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
I'm playing to an audience of comedians. :)
And this surprises you? :)
And he's been here long enough to *know hasn't he?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
01 Oct 2003 09:43:14 AM |
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In article <pan.2003.10.01.01.12.21.460538@eac.org>, Mark K. Bilbo says...
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:09:14 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <hqqhnvgs8ieper0dr1p8v2bbdhonbl61pd@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
I'm playing to an audience of comedians. :)
And this surprises you? :)
And he's been here long enough to *know hasn't he?
<chuckle> Well, even so, I can't tell you how many times only seconds after I've
hit the send button, I think "I just KNOW some wiseass is going to make a funny
comment about this".
And I'm rarely disappointed ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Oct 2003 11:23:21 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:43:14 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <pan.2003.10.01.01.12.21.460538@eac.org>, Mark K. Bilbo says...
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:09:14 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <hqqhnvgs8ieper0dr1p8v2bbdhonbl61pd@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
I'm playing to an audience of comedians. :)
And this surprises you? :)
And he's been here long enough to *know hasn't he?
<chuckle> Well, even so, I can't tell you how many times only seconds after I've
hit the send button, I think "I just KNOW some wiseass is going to make a funny
comment about this".
And I'm rarely disappointed ;)
We aim to please!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "sdq" |
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02 Oct 2003 02:40:26 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
We aim to please!
As seen on a sign in a bathroom <We aim to please. So aim to, please>
sdq
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Oct 2003 02:39:45 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:40:26 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com>, Message ID:
<blhuvg$ibp$1@Tropolix.UQSS.UQuebec.CA> wrote in alt.atheism;
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
We aim to please!
As seen on a sign in a bathroom <We aim to please. So aim to, please>
Sign in WC above the urinals at Bar Mr. Magoo, Magaluf, Majorica:
Please don't throw your dog-ends in the loo. It makes them soggy and
hard to light.
sdq
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Oct 2003 09:17:57 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:12:21 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:09:14 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <hqqhnvgs8ieper0dr1p8v2bbdhonbl61pd@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
I'm playing to an audience of comedians. :)
And this surprises you? :)
And he's been here long enough to *know hasn't he?
Smiley, guys, smiley.
--
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
-Isaac Asimov
&
There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
- (Will Rogers)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Oct 2003 07:47:47 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:17:57 +0000, Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:12:21 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:09:14 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <hqqhnvgs8ieper0dr1p8v2bbdhonbl61pd@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
I'm playing to an audience of comedians. :)
And this surprises you? :)
And he's been here long enough to *know hasn't he?
Smiley, guys, smiley.
Good to see you smile again!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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30 Sep 2003 03:05:27 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:09:14 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
In article <hqqhnvgs8ieper0dr1p8v2bbdhonbl61pd@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0400, sdq <sdq@sdq.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Sorry to disagree Al, it was easy even when they were silent. The pope
is the the one with the funny hat, Hitler had a funny mustache.
I'm playing to an audience of comedians. :)
And this surprises you? :)
Maybe he meant Charlie Chaplin and Hitler. Of course Charlie was
silent most of the time.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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29 Sep 2003 12:06:46 PM |
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In article <92cfnvglsg2grjij49kbhugp4toticb4mp@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:12:33 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
I doubt it makes any difference. I know a lifelong atheist and
christian. You cannot tell them apart when they are silent.
You couldn't tell Hitler and the Pope apart when they were silent.
Look at their hats. If it looks like it could be used as a posthole
digger, odds are it's a pope hat.
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28 Sep 2003 01:48:09 PM |
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Beowulf (beowulf@nowhere.net) wrote:
: Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
: effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
: psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
Speaking only for myself, it was my fortunately brief exposure to sunday
school that so bored me with religion that I never went back or even
looked back. It may have been one factor that set me on the eventual
path to outright atheism.
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PO Box 30904 / American Atheists \ <AANEWS-on@atheists.org> to
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28 Sep 2003 03:08:35 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:56:59 -0500, Beowulf <beowulf@nowhere.net>
wrote:
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
I can only tell you MY feelings about being brought up as a Baptist:
To me, church was simply boring, confining, stifling *****:
punishment in advance before the crime. Naturally I didn't think of it
in those words then as I was a child, all I could think of was I hated
every minute of it.
I tried to go with it, though, all it did was make the other school
kids tease and taunt me. When I finally was old enough to make my own
life choices, I didn't snap into atheism - I just abandoned anything
church related.
I was finally free but didn't know what to do with the freedom. It
still took an additional 20 or so years to adjust to reality.
You could say I wasn't raised, I was suppressed.
drift
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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28 Sep 2003 02:03:29 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:56:59 -0500, Beowulf <beowulf@nowhere.net>
wrote:
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
You don't "raise children with atheist beliefs". You simply don't
brainwash them to be theist.
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29 Sep 2003 09:29:47 AM |
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In article <h9benv0fcnh083hl8gobmp0prf40cv28hv@4ax.com>, Christopher A. Lee
says...
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:56:59 -0500, Beowulf <beowulf@nowhere.net>
wrote:
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
You don't "raise children with atheist beliefs". You simply don't
brainwash them to be theist.
Exactly! ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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29 Sep 2003 05:15:53 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <h9benv0fcnh083hl8gobmp0prf40cv28hv@4ax.com>, Christopher A. Lee
says...
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:56:59 -0500, Beowulf <beowulf@nowhere.net>
wrote:
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
You don't "raise children with atheist beliefs". You simply don't
brainwash them to be theist.
Exactly! ;)
"You don't raise children with the health disease. You simply don't
expose them to pathogens."
Unfortunately, that's not an option in the real world.
So you inoculate them as early as possible, and have your
antibiotics handy if inoculations aren't enough.
Applicable both to biological viruses and mind viruses.
I don't just refrain from brainwashing my son with theism.
I'm actively inoculating him with critical thinking skills.
--
Best regards,
Sverker Johansson
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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would
indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of
punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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30 Sep 2003 08:03:20 AM |
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In article <3F78AF19.E803A4B7@homo.sapiens.se>, Sverker Johansson says...
Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <h9benv0fcnh083hl8gobmp0prf40cv28hv@4ax.com>, Christopher A. Lee
says...
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:56:59 -0500, Beowulf <beowulf@nowhere.net>
wrote:
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
You don't "raise children with atheist beliefs". You simply don't
brainwash them to be theist.
Exactly! ;)
"You don't raise children with the health disease. You simply don't
expose them to pathogens."
Unfortunately, that's not an option in the real world.
So you inoculate them as early as possible, and have your
antibiotics handy if inoculations aren't enough.
Applicable both to biological viruses and mind viruses.
I don't just refrain from brainwashing my son with theism.
I'm actively inoculating him with critical thinking skills.
I see I would have been smarter to put my "Exactly!" at the end of YOUR post ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: effect of sunday school on children? |
30 Sep 2003 08:15:03 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:15:53 +0200, Sverker Johansson wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <h9benv0fcnh083hl8gobmp0prf40cv28hv@4ax.com>, Christopher A. Lee
says...
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:56:59 -0500, Beowulf <beowulf@nowhere.net>
wrote:
Anybody of know of documented academic (psychological) studies of the
effects of teaching our children regions, sin, God, etc. on their
psychological health, psychosocial well-being?
What I am wondering is, who is healthier (psychosocially, love, life,
social integration, enjoyment of life)-- children raised with theist
beliefs along with concepts of sin and God, or childre raised with
atheist beliefs along with concepts of self-empowerment, humanist
beliefs, common-sense morality. I am of the mindset that the latter is
better, but what proof is their of this? One would think somebody would
have studied this.
You don't "raise children with atheist beliefs". You simply don't
brainwash them to be theist.
Exactly! ;)
"You don't raise children with the health disease. You simply don't
expose them to pathogens."
Unfortunately, that's not an option in the real world.
So you inoculate them as early as possible, and have your
antibiotics handy if inoculations aren't enough.
Applicable both to biological viruses and mind viruses.
I don't just refrain from brainwashing my son with theism.
I'm actively inoculating him with critical thinking skills.
Definitely.
Raise the kids to think critically, christianity isn't likely to be able
to infect them.
Hell, it even eventually caused my deconvesion.
(My family blew it with the "think for yourself" thing, it backfired <g>)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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