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"Fred Stone" |
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08 Dec 2007 08:03:34 AM |
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Eight Lessons From Pearl Harbor |
http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/12/eight_lessons_f.php
1. Nothing starts a war faster than someone having the stray idea that
you really dont want to fight.
2. Just because your enemy has its ambassadors in your capital speaking
to you about peace doesn’t preclude the fact that they don’t also have a
fleet of aircraft carriers on their way to strike your fleet.
3. Talks about peace are almost always diplomatic cover for the military
to do what it does at a time of their choosing. A wise man once said that
“war is diplomacy by other means” but the truth is that diplomacy is
often war by other means.
4. Do not mistake the absence of war as being the same as peace. The
history of mankind can be written as the transition of civilizations in
one of the two states of preparing for war or recovering from war. Peace
only comes with capitulation.
5. Your enemy doesn’t work to your schedule. Things will happen at the
worst time of day on the worst day of the week at a time when you will be
least capable of responding.
6. Your estimates about what the enemy is up to and what it is that
motivates them are biased by what it is you most want your enemy to do,
but your enemy doesn’t labor within those biases. They will do what they
do for their own reasons because they think that it will benefit them and
not you.
7. Smart people often do really stupid things. Don’t depend on a persons
resume to save you from harsh reality. On December 6th, Admiral Kimmel
and General Short were considered the best in their business. 24 hours
later, facts would interfere with that assessment.
8. Your big bad battleship is tommorows sunken target. Don’t get lulled
into believing that you can’t be beat, because just as sure as some man
made that big bad battleship, some other man made the aerial torpedo to
sink it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
If you go into Sudan today; Your heart will fill with dread
If you go into Sudan today; You might just lose your head
Because on the sands; With blood on their hands
Every nut that ever was; Will be there because
Today's the day the Teddy Bears; Have their Jihad!
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Eight Lessons From Pearl Harbor |
08 Dec 2007 05:29:13 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A005C17EE9Cfreddybear@216.151.153.41...
http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/12/eight_lessons_f.php
1. Nothing starts a war faster than someone having the stray idea that
you really dont want to fight.
2. Just because your enemy has its ambassadors in your capital speaking
to you about peace doesn't preclude the fact that they don't also have a
fleet of aircraft carriers on their way to strike your fleet.
3. Talks about peace are almost always diplomatic cover for the military
to do what it does at a time of their choosing. A wise man once said that
"war is diplomacy by other means" but the truth is that diplomacy is
often war by other means.
4. Do not mistake the absence of war as being the same as peace. The
history of mankind can be written as the transition of civilizations in
one of the two states of preparing for war or recovering from war. Peace
only comes with capitulation.
5. Your enemy doesn't work to your schedule. Things will happen at the
worst time of day on the worst day of the week at a time when you will be
least capable of responding.
6. Your estimates about what the enemy is up to and what it is that
motivates them are biased by what it is you most want your enemy to do,
but your enemy doesn't labor within those biases. They will do what they
do for their own reasons because they think that it will benefit them and
not you.
7. Smart people often do really stupid things. Don't depend on a persons
resume to save you from harsh reality. On December 6th, Admiral Kimmel
and General Short were considered the best in their business. 24 hours
later, facts would interfere with that assessment.
8. Your big bad battleship is tommorows sunken target. Don't get lulled
into believing that you can't be beat, because just as sure as some man
made that big bad battleship, some other man made the aerial torpedo to
sink it.
And the 9th lesson should be that you don't attack a country that had
nothing to do with the attack that launches you to war, and which presents
no threat to your country.
Btw, Fredo, did you accidentally put a hole in your blow-up doll, so that
you have to spend all your time sending so many trolling posts to a.a.?
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: Eight Lessons From Pearl Harbor |
08 Dec 2007 08:27:48 AM |
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On 08 Dec 2007 14:03:34 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/12/eight_lessons_f.php
1. Nothing starts a war faster than someone having the stray idea that
you really dont want to fight.
2. Just because your enemy has its ambassadors in your capital speaking
to you about peace doesn’t preclude the fact that they don’t also have a
fleet of aircraft carriers on their way to strike your fleet.
3. Talks about peace are almost always diplomatic cover for the military
to do what it does at a time of their choosing. A wise man once said that
“war is diplomacy by other means” but the truth is that diplomacy is
often war by other means.
4. Do not mistake the absence of war as being the same as peace. The
history of mankind can be written as the transition of civilizations in
one of the two states of preparing for war or recovering from war. Peace
only comes with capitulation.
5. Your enemy doesn’t work to your schedule. Things will happen at the
worst time of day on the worst day of the week at a time when you will be
least capable of responding.
6. Your estimates about what the enemy is up to and what it is that
motivates them are biased by what it is you most want your enemy to do,
but your enemy doesn’t labor within those biases. They will do what they
do for their own reasons because they think that it will benefit them and
not you.
7. Smart people often do really stupid things. Don’t depend on a persons
resume to save you from harsh reality. On December 6th, Admiral Kimmel
and General Short were considered the best in their business. 24 hours
later, facts would interfere with that assessment.
8. Your big bad battleship is tommorows sunken target. Don’t get lulled
into believing that you can’t be beat, because just as sure as some man
made that big bad battleship, some other man made the aerial torpedo to
sink it.
"men only learn from history how to make new mistakes"
- A.J.P Taylor
"We learn from history that we learn nothing from history."
- George Bernard Shaw
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Eight Lessons From Pearl Harbor |
09 Dec 2007 12:36:23 PM |
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On 08 Dec 2007 14:03:34 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9A005C17EE9Cfreddybear@216.151.153.41>
wrote:
http://varifrank.com/archives/2007/12/eight_lessons_f.php
1. Nothing starts a war faster than someone having the stray idea that
you really dont want to fight.
The Japanese attacked us because they knew we were going to fight.
2. Just because your enemy has its ambassadors in your capital speaking
to you about peace doesn’t preclude the fact that they don’t also have a
fleet of aircraft carriers on their way to strike your fleet.
A good lesson for others to learn as well.
3. Talks about peace are almost always diplomatic cover for the military
to do what it does at a time of their choosing. A wise man once said that
“war is diplomacy by other means” but the truth is that diplomacy is
often war by other means.
You say this as a defender of the Bush administration? No wonder you
don't have a problem with their lies.
4. Do not mistake the absence of war as being the same as peace. The
history of mankind can be written as the transition of civilizations in
one of the two states of preparing for war or recovering from war. Peace
only comes with capitulation.
What absence of war?
5. Your enemy doesn’t work to your schedule. Things will happen at the
worst time of day on the worst day of the week at a time when you will be
least capable of responding.
To bad we are not learning this lesson.
6. Your estimates about what the enemy is up to and what it is that
motivates them are biased by what it is you most want your enemy to do,
but your enemy doesn’t labor within those biases. They will do what they
do for their own reasons because they think that it will benefit them and
not you.
Please provide some shred of evidence that this has anything at all to
do with the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor?
7. Smart people often do really stupid things. Don’t depend on a persons
resume to save you from harsh reality. On December 6th, Admiral Kimmel
and General Short were considered the best in their business. 24 hours
later, facts would interfere with that assessment.
And, yet, you still think that Giuliani, the man who put the emergency
command post in the WTC instead of in Brooklyn is acceptable as a
presidential candidate.
8. Your big bad battleship is tommorows sunken target. Don’t get lulled
into believing that you can’t be beat, because just as sure as some man
made that big bad battleship, some other man made the aerial torpedo to
sink it.
And, yet, you defend "shock and awe" as a way to fight terrorists.
To the extent that any of those are valid lessons you have not learned
them. I am not sure if much of that can be considered lessons of Pearl
Harbor, but that is just jingoistic grandstanding.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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