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"Enkidu" |
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03 Oct 2006 02:11:06 PM |
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Email from a friend :( |
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Great intellects are skeptical."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) The Antichrist , 1888.
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Email from a friend :( |
03 Oct 2006 04:13:17 PM |
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98514919658F255229@130.133.1.4...
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Great intellects are skeptical."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) The Antichrist , 1888.
My sincerest condolences to your friend and his family.
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| User: "LC" |
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03 Oct 2006 03:30:17 PM |
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98514919658F255229@130.133.1.4...
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
Sincere condolences to your friend.
We too lost a friend to an IED in Iraq a few months back.
Outstanding young man, with a promising future in a family business.
However, he felt a calling to serve.
That said, I've never been as disgusted as when the loons from Fred Phelp's
Westboro Baptist church showed up to picket this young man's funeral.
Shouting epithets, carrying signs emblazened with obscenely obnoxious
pictures and slogans...well, you know the sort.
If any good came of this charade, it's that a number of people in attendance
came away believing that *all* fundamentalists, regardless of flavor, are
nuts.
Something most of us already know.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Great intellects are skeptical."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) The Antichrist , 1888.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Email from a friend :( |
03 Oct 2006 08:57:14 PM |
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98514919658F255229@130.133.1.4...
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
I'm so sorry :(
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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04 Oct 2006 12:44:48 AM |
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Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in
news:Xns98514919658F255229@130.133.1.4:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea
what to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the
U.S. Army right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately
after high school graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star
with Valor for heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire
to draw fire away from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was
my only child, my pride and joy, my hero."
Fucking hell. :(
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Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people
who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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03 Oct 2006 02:54:29 PM |
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Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
As fine a tribute to a real hero as can be written. Send them our best wishes.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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03 Oct 2006 09:47:33 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Great intellects are skeptical."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) The Antichrist , 1888.
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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| Title: Re: Email from a friend :( |
04 Oct 2006 07:18:39 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159912053.023471.137200@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high
school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my
pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences
Indeed. But can someone please enlighten me: what ideals did he die for,
exactly...?
M.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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04 Oct 2006 08:12:47 PM |
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Mark D J. wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159912053.023471.137200@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high
school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my
pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences
Indeed. But can someone please enlighten me: what ideals did he die for,
exactly...?
We can express feeligns of sympathy regardless of how or why he died.
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
M.
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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04 Oct 2006 08:23:45 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159992767.827217.228120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Mark D J. wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159912053.023471.137200@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea
what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S.
Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high
school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire
away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my
pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences
Indeed. But can someone please enlighten me: what ideals did he die for,
exactly...?
We can express feeligns of sympathy regardless of how or why he died.
Indeed. But after sincerely expressing such feelings, how long do we have to
wait before we may 'decently' suggest that this young life was sacrificed
merely in order that Iraq should be a safe place for Halliburton to make
money in...?
M.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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05 Oct 2006 01:33:38 AM |
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"Mark D J." <Mark D J.@hoyme.com> wrote in
news:lLUUg.1257$xD6.527@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159992767.827217.228120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Mark D J. wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159912053.023471.137200@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry
was killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had
his 23rd birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He
had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the
U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after
high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor
for heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to
draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child,
my pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences
Indeed. But can someone please enlighten me: what ideals did he die
for, exactly...?
We can express feeligns of sympathy regardless of how or why he died.
Indeed. But after sincerely expressing such feelings, how long do we
have to wait before we may 'decently' suggest that this young life was
sacrificed merely in order that Iraq should be a safe place for
Halliburton to make money in...?
I think he deserved a better cause and a better leader.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Oct 2006 03:13:19 AM |
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On 5 Oct 2006 01:33:38 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in
alt.atheism
"Mark D J." <Mark D J.@hoyme.com> wrote in
news:lLUUg.1257$xD6.527@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159992767.827217.228120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Mark D J. wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159912053.023471.137200@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry
was killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had
his 23rd birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He
had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the
U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after
high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor
for heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to
draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child,
my pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences
Indeed. But can someone please enlighten me: what ideals did he die
for, exactly...?
We can express feeligns of sympathy regardless of how or why he died.
Indeed. But after sincerely expressing such feelings, how long do we
have to wait before we may 'decently' suggest that this young life was
sacrificed merely in order that Iraq should be a safe place for
Halliburton to make money in...?
I think he deserved a better cause and a better leader.
Better cause, indeed and Shrub's not a leader; he's being pushed and
dragged almost everywhere. Damned coward.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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04 Oct 2006 09:25:51 PM |
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Mark D J. wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159992767.827217.228120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Mark D J. wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159912053.023471.137200@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea
what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S.
Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high
school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire
away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my
pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences
Indeed. But can someone please enlighten me: what ideals did he die for,
exactly...?
We can express feeligns of sympathy regardless of how or why he died.
Indeed. But after sincerely expressing such feelings, how long do we have to
wait before we may 'decently' suggest that this young life was sacrificed
merely in order that Iraq should be a safe place for Halliburton to make
money in...?
I woul;d say not in this thread, though I do think it's a fair point to
make.
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
M.
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Oct 2006 03:12:14 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:23:45 GMT, "Mark D J." <Mark D J.@hoyme.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159992767.827217.228120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Mark D J. wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159912053.023471.137200@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea
what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S.
Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high
school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire
away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my
pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences
Indeed. But can someone please enlighten me: what ideals did he die for,
exactly...?
We can express feeligns of sympathy regardless of how or why he died.
Indeed. But after sincerely expressing such feelings, how long do we have to
wait before we may 'decently' suggest that this young life was sacrificed
merely in order that Iraq should be a safe place for Halliburton to make
money in...?
That's been well known for three years now.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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10 Oct 2006 05:09:32 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
My condolences to the family. I could rage but it's for another time.
eyelessgame
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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05 Oct 2006 11:30:08 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
Oh, Enkidu, I'm *so* sorry. Condolences to the family. =-<
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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05 Oct 2006 01:44:13 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
Sorry to hear about it, Enkidu. I am so ready for this ***** to be over.
I just found out my buddy doing satellite feeds over there quit his job
and is coming home. Seems the soldiers escorting his convoy hit an IED,
and he suddenly realized that this is a *real* war. I don't know what
the hell he thought it was before then.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Oct 2006 03:14:56 AM |
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On 4 Oct 2006 18:44:13 -0700, wrote in
alt.atheism
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
Sorry to hear about it, Enkidu. I am so ready for this ***** to be over.
I just found out my buddy doing satellite feeds over there quit his job
and is coming home. Seems the soldiers escorting his convoy hit an IED,
and he suddenly realized that this is a *real* war. I don't know what
the hell he thought it was before then.
Probably thought he was cuccooned from the nastiness-the pure observer
type of thing who isn't part of the action.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Andres64" |
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08 Oct 2006 02:19:45 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
Very sorry to hear about your and your friend's loss.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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08 Oct 2006 02:53:08 PM |
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"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1160317184.987060.20000@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea
what to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the
U.S. Army right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately
after high school graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze
Star with Valor for heroism in battle when he stepped into the line
of fire to draw fire away from his squad; no one was hurt that day.
Joe was my only child, my pride and joy, my hero."
Very sorry to hear about your and your friend's loss.
I never met this young man, but it still brings tears to my eyes every
time I think of it. The loss of young men and women of this calibre,
those most willing to give to others, to sacrafice for others, is a high
price to pay for any cause.
Thousands of people have lost sons, daughters, husbands, friends, lovers,
fathers, mothers. And for what? The United States is no safer than before
September 11, 2001. We are less secure. The Iraqi people are no better
off than they were before this war. Tens of thousands are dead, each one
a vital part of a community, thousands more have been tortured, hundreds
of thousands have been wounded, maimed, crippled. Such sacrifices deserve
a better cause.
George W. Bush and his hateful and hate filled minions deserve the
business end of a war crimes trail. Perhaps an impeachment trial will be
the first step.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
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08 Oct 2006 07:07:24 PM |
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On 8 Oct 2006 14:53:08 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1160317184.987060.20000@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea
what to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the
U.S. Army right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately
after high school graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze
Star with Valor for heroism in battle when he stepped into the line
of fire to draw fire away from his squad; no one was hurt that day.
Joe was my only child, my pride and joy, my hero."
Very sorry to hear about your and your friend's loss.
I never met this young man, but it still brings tears to my eyes every
time I think of it. The loss of young men and women of this calibre,
those most willing to give to others, to sacrafice for others, is a high
price to pay for any cause.
Thousands of people have lost sons, daughters, husbands, friends, lovers,
fathers, mothers. And for what? The United States is no safer than before
September 11, 2001. We are less secure. The Iraqi people are no better
off than they were before this war. Tens of thousands are dead, each one
a vital part of a community, thousands more have been tortured, hundreds
of thousands have been wounded, maimed, crippled. Such sacrifices deserve
a better cause.
George W. Bush and his hateful and hate filled minions deserve the
business end of a war crimes trail. Perhaps an impeachment trial will be
the first step.
War must never be anything but the LAST RESORT!
Ben
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Oct 2006 06:48:10 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:07:24 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On 8 Oct 2006 14:53:08 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1160317184.987060.20000@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea
what to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the
U.S. Army right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately
after high school graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze
Star with Valor for heroism in battle when he stepped into the line
of fire to draw fire away from his squad; no one was hurt that day.
Joe was my only child, my pride and joy, my hero."
Very sorry to hear about your and your friend's loss.
I never met this young man, but it still brings tears to my eyes every
time I think of it. The loss of young men and women of this calibre,
those most willing to give to others, to sacrafice for others, is a high
price to pay for any cause.
Thousands of people have lost sons, daughters, husbands, friends, lovers,
fathers, mothers. And for what? The United States is no safer than before
September 11, 2001. We are less secure. The Iraqi people are no better
off than they were before this war. Tens of thousands are dead, each one
a vital part of a community, thousands more have been tortured, hundreds
of thousands have been wounded, maimed, crippled. Such sacrifices deserve
a better cause.
George W. Bush and his hateful and hate filled minions deserve the
business end of a war crimes trail. Perhaps an impeachment trial will be
the first step.
War must never be anything but the LAST RESORT!
It would be, if ShrubCo and Congress were on the front lines.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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08 Oct 2006 04:24:23 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:53:08 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
Thousands of people have lost sons, daughters, husbands, friends, lovers,
fathers, mothers. And for what? The United States is no safer than before
September 11, 2001. We are less secure. The Iraqi people are no better
off than they were before this war.
A lot of Iraqis have begun to wish for the "good old days" of Saddam, when
they were able to go to the market without fearing for their lives.
Ironic, no?
George W. Bush and his hateful and hate filled minions deserve the
business end of a war crimes trail. Perhaps an impeachment trial will be
the first step.
Don't hold your breath. Won't happen as long as the Republicans hold
Congress and probably not even if they lose it to the Dems next month. It
was the Dems that just a week and a half ago chose _not_ to filibuster one
of the worst bills to ever pass Congress, one that destroys habeas corpus
as well as our right to due process. Today, at least until it is
overturned by the courts (which will take months or years if it happens at
all), you or I or _anyone_, citizen or not, can be taken away and held
without charge indefinitely, on the say-so of the fool in the White House.
And that's what this poor kid died for, when he thought and was told he
was fighting for the safety and freedom of the folks back home.
There is no justice.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Oct 2006 06:47:23 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:24:23 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:53:08 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
Thousands of people have lost sons, daughters, husbands, friends, lovers,
fathers, mothers. And for what? The United States is no safer than before
September 11, 2001. We are less secure. The Iraqi people are no better
off than they were before this war.
A lot of Iraqis have begun to wish for the "good old days" of Saddam, when
they were able to go to the market without fearing for their lives.
Ironic, no?
Very. At least things were stable.
George W. Bush and his hateful and hate filled minions deserve the
business end of a war crimes trail. Perhaps an impeachment trial will be
the first step.
Don't hold your breath. Won't happen as long as the Republicans hold
Congress and probably not even if they lose it to the Dems next month. It
was the Dems that just a week and a half ago chose _not_ to filibuster one
of the worst bills to ever pass Congress, one that destroys habeas corpus
as well as our right to due process.
Indeed. ***** on 'em all.
Today, at least until it is
overturned by the courts (which will take months or years if it happens at
all), you or I or _anyone_, citizen or not, can be taken away and held
without charge indefinitely, on the say-so of the fool in the White House.
That was the status generated some three or four years ago with King
Dumbshit's Proclomation.
And that's what this poor kid died for, when he thought and was told he
was fighting for the safety and freedom of the folks back home.
There is no justice.
Of course not.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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08 Oct 2006 07:29:11 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:24:23 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
And that's what this poor kid died for, when he thought and was told he
was fighting for the safety and freedom of the folks back home.
There is no justice.
Regardless of the validity of this war, regardless of why this young man
enlisted, he stepped up to the plate to serve his country and made the
ultimate sacrifice. Let's reserve our criticisms of the politicians
responsible for this debacle for another thread.
Ben
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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08 Oct 2006 09:59:56 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:29:11 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
Regardless of the validity of this war, regardless of why this young man
enlisted, he stepped up to the plate to serve his country and made the
ultimate sacrifice. Let's reserve our criticisms of the politicians
responsible for this debacle for another thread.
No. Maybe if a few more people would get really seriously *****
about these deaths, these kids would stop coming home in boxes.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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09 Oct 2006 04:30:27 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:59:56 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:29:11 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
Regardless of the validity of this war, regardless of why this young man
enlisted, he stepped up to the plate to serve his country and made the
ultimate sacrifice. Let's reserve our criticisms of the politicians
responsible for this debacle for another thread.
No. Maybe if a few more people would get really seriously *****
about these deaths, these kids would stop coming home in boxes.
Well, as much as I hate the Bush Administration, all I can say is that if I had
lost a loved one in this war that I wouldn't want to hear you say how mistaken
he or she was for serving their country.
And that's what this poor kid died for, when he thought and was told he
was fighting for the safety and freedom of the folks back home.
Ben
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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09 Oct 2006 04:55:09 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:30:27 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:59:56 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:29:11 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
Regardless of the validity of this war, regardless of why this young man
enlisted, he stepped up to the plate to serve his country and made the
ultimate sacrifice. Let's reserve our criticisms of the politicians
responsible for this debacle for another thread.
No. Maybe if a few more people would get really seriously *****
about these deaths, these kids would stop coming home in boxes.
Well, as much as I hate the Bush Administration, all I can say is that if I had
lost a loved one in this war that I wouldn't want to hear you say how mistaken
he or she was for serving their country.
I didn't say that he was mistaken. I said that he was lied to. There's
a difference.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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10 Oct 2006 04:16:31 AM |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:55:09 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:30:27 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:59:56 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:29:11 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
Regardless of the validity of this war, regardless of why this young man
enlisted, he stepped up to the plate to serve his country and made the
ultimate sacrifice. Let's reserve our criticisms of the politicians
responsible for this debacle for another thread.
No. Maybe if a few more people would get really seriously *****
about these deaths, these kids would stop coming home in boxes.
Well, as much as I hate the Bush Administration, all I can say is that if I had
lost a loved one in this war that I wouldn't want to hear you say how mistaken
he or she was for serving their country.
I didn't say that he was mistaken. I said that he was lied to. There's
a difference.
If one believes something that is wrong, whether they spent years researching
it or simply took the word of someone they trusted, they are still mistaken.
Maybe I'm too emotional about this but I think it does not serve to honor the
memory of the person this thread is about when we have to bring up how they were
used or deceived.
Ben
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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10 Oct 2006 04:37:47 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:16:31 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:55:09 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:30:27 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:59:56 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:29:11 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
Regardless of the validity of this war, regardless of why this young man
enlisted, he stepped up to the plate to serve his country and made the
ultimate sacrifice. Let's reserve our criticisms of the politicians
responsible for this debacle for another thread.
No. Maybe if a few more people would get really seriously *****
about these deaths, these kids would stop coming home in boxes.
Well, as much as I hate the Bush Administration, all I can say is that if I had
lost a loved one in this war that I wouldn't want to hear you say how mistaken
he or she was for serving their country.
I didn't say that he was mistaken. I said that he was lied to. There's
a difference.
If one believes something that is wrong, whether they spent years researching
it or simply took the word of someone they trusted, they are still mistaken.
Maybe I'm too emotional about this but I think it does not serve to honor the
memory of the person this thread is about when we have to bring up how they were
used or deceived.
Denying it, pretending it isn't so to save the feelings of those who mourn
him, _that_ is what does him a disservice! Honor his memory by putting
the people who lied to him behind bars!
Or at least by kicking them out of office!
Silence is as good as consent. I think I've shown that I mean no
disrespect, rather I hope to show more respect by speaking out.
And of course a Usenet post is not a funeral.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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10 Oct 2006 01:02:48 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:37:47 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:16:31 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:55:09 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:30:27 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:59:56 -0700, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:29:11 -0400, Ben Kaufman wrote:
Regardless of the validity of this war, regardless of why this young man
enlisted, he stepped up to the plate to serve his country and made the
ultimate sacrifice. Let's reserve our criticisms of the politicians
responsible for this debacle for another thread.
No. Maybe if a few more people would get really seriously *****
about these deaths, these kids would stop coming home in boxes.
Well, as much as I hate the Bush Administration, all I can say is that if I had
lost a loved one in this war that I wouldn't want to hear you say how mistaken
he or she was for serving their country.
I didn't say that he was mistaken. I said that he was lied to. There's
a difference.
If one believes something that is wrong, whether they spent years researching
it or simply took the word of someone they trusted, they are still mistaken.
Maybe I'm too emotional about this but I think it does not serve to honor the
memory of the person this thread is about when we have to bring up how they were
used or deceived.
Denying it, pretending it isn't so to save the feelings of those who mourn
him, _that_ is what does him a disservice! Honor his memory by putting
the people who lied to him behind bars!
Or at least by kicking them out of office!
Silence is as good as consent. I think I've shown that I mean no
disrespect, rather I hope to show more respect by speaking out.
And of course a Usenet post is not a funeral.
Although we disagree on the decorum here at no point did I think that your
intention was to disrespect to the soldier.
Ben
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07 Oct 2006 05:46:06 AM |
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In article <Xns98514919658F255229@130.133.1.4>,
Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
I'm so sorry to hear that. War sucks.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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03 Oct 2006 10:43:41 PM |
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On 3 Oct 2006 14:11:06 GMT Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> said the
following in alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000
Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
Condolences, and my salute.
"If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.
"And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven."
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Oct 2006 02:06:31 AM |
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On 3 Oct 2006 14:11:06 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in
alt.atheism
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
What a waste. :\ My condolances.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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05 Oct 2006 09:26:16 PM |
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On 3 Oct 2006 14:11:06 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Yesterday, October 2nd, 2006, my son, Specialist Joseph W. Perry was
killed in the Al-Anbahr Province of Iraq. He had just had his 23rd
birthday. Joe was a senior in high school on 9/11. He had no idea what
to do with his life until that fateful day. He enlisted in the U.S. Army
right after 9/11 and left for Basic Training immediately after high school
graduation. On 5/16/06, he received the Bronze Star with Valor for
heroism in battle when he stepped into the line of fire to draw fire away
from his squad; no one was hurt that day. Joe was my only child, my pride
and joy, my hero."
..... :-(
atheist@home#1554
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