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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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04 Jan 2005 08:53:29 PM |
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At 11:44 12/28/04 -0800, Garcia, Raul wrote:
That is just the point----- you are a sinner,
No, "sin" is a fictional construct not evidenced
in fact. Only people who believe in "sin" are
capable of "sinning." As such I can't "sin."
just like me and everybodyelse in the world---
therefore you are guilty.and you must paid the
price for being a sinner.and that is death.
<rofl!> The "price" of _living_ is death, no gods
required.
Do not worry--Jesus paid your debt on the cross--
weather you believe it or not..or accept it.
Lord Mithra died for humanity 4 centuries before
the Jesus mythos was concocted. Krishna also died
for humanity's "sins" about 2 centuries before the
Jesus mythos.
So you see, the Jesus god need not have bothered:
humanity was already saved long before he came along.
So, you have a choice either to receive him as
your Lord and savior or reject him.
Or you can employ reason, sanity, logic, and science
and accept the fact that fictional constructs are
the contrivance of dysfunctional human wishful
thinking, a way for people who know they have no
choice but to die totally to try to convince
themselves otherwise.
Jesus said
Nobody knows what the "Jesus" mythos said or did
since it left no known writings of its own. Ergo
we find that anything and everything gets attributed
to the mythos.
if you retain your sins you will surly die in
your sins. And do not try any more to change
this world--because you nor nobody from your
new age Will.
Insane psychobabble.
Jesus will comeback to reign this world soon
You're too late: Jesus said that he was going to
ereturn within the life times of his deciples. Now
either he did and you missed it, else Jesus lied.
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"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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| User: "Jez" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:24:42 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
At 11:44 12/28/04 -0800, Garcia, Raul wrote:
That is just the point----- you are a sinner,
No, "sin" is a fictional construct not evidenced
in fact. Only people who believe in "sin" are
capable of "sinning." As such I can't "sin."
Something about 'wasting seed' (Sperm) according to John M Allegros
'The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross'.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
yahoo ID: hellward2004
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Email inbound/outbound |
05 Jan 2005 11:31:16 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Lord Mithra died for humanity 4 centuries before
the Jesus mythos was concocted.
No such statement can be found in any ancient text, or in any modern
scholarly text.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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05 Jan 2005 02:00:18 PM |
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wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Lord Mithra died for humanity 4 centuries before
the Jesus mythos was concocted.
No such statement can be found in any ancient
text, or in any modern scholarly text.
<rofl!> You don't know how to use Google, huh?
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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| User: "" |
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06 Jan 2005 07:42:40 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Lord Mithra died for humanity 4 centuries before
the Jesus mythos was concocted.
No such statement can be found in any ancient
text, or in any modern scholarly text.
<rofl!> You don't know how to use Google, huh?
No sources, eh?
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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05 Jan 2005 06:15:44 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:00:18 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Lord Mithra died for humanity 4 centuries before
the Jesus mythos was concocted.
Of course. The creator of Christianity came from Tarsus, where
"Lord" Mithra was worshiped (in what is now southern Turkey). The
Roman military adopted the Mithraic religion in the negative first
century (gregorian Calendar). Saul of Tarsus found ready followers
for his new religion among the Romans and Greeks specifically
because they were already familiar with Mithra.
No such statement can be found in any ancient
text, or in any modern scholarly text.
Oh good grief.
<rofl!> You don't know how to use Google, huh?
The history of Christianity is probably one of the most documented
and most-written-about history ever in the westernized world. I
cannot imagine how anyone could not know about Mithra.
"Lord" is a feudal system concept (meaning "one who guards the
bread"), and was not used in ancient times. Therefore "Lord
Mithra" does not really apply. The Bible has the word "adoni" (and
variations) that is fraudulently translated as "lord," though no
such concept existed when the Bible was written. "Husband Mithra"
would have been the phrase used.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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http://lastliberal.org
One of the first thing religious blinders do to a person it to quash
their humor gene. Sarcasm is the first thing that gets flushed down
the baptism font. - God Dan (Dan Ceppa)
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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05 Jan 2005 06:36:31 PM |
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(The Last Liberal) wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:00:18 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Lord Mithra died for humanity 4 centuries before
the Jesus mythos was concocted.
Of course. The creator of Christianity came from Tarsus, where
"Lord" Mithra was worshiped (in what is now southern Turkey). The
Roman military adopted the Mithraic religion in the negative first
century (gregorian Calendar). Saul of Tarsus found ready followers
for his new religion among the Romans and Greeks specifically
because they were already familiar with Mithra.
The story of Lazarus and his reanimation describes the Mithratic
rebirthing ritual, something that Paul/Saul was brought up to believe.
No such statement can be found in any ancient
text, or in any modern scholarly text.
Oh good grief.
}:-} If I had gods, I would learn everything I could about them.
<rofl!> You don't know how to use Google, huh?
The history of Christianity is probably one of the most documented
and most-written-about history ever in the westernized world. I
cannot imagine how anyone could not know about Mithra.
Or the Goddess Isis, for that matter. What do these people think is
the significance of the reproductive symbology of Easter?
"Lord" is a feudal system concept (meaning "one who guards the
bread"), and was not used in ancient times. Therefore "Lord
Mithra" does not really apply. The Bible has the word "adoni" (and
variations) that is fraudulently translated as "lord," though no
such concept existed when the Bible was written. "Husband Mithra"
would have been the phrase used.
I thought "Lord" was simply the master of the house.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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05 Jan 2005 09:59:06 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:36:31 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
desertphile@cchr.ws (The Last Liberal) wrote:
"Lord" is a feudal system concept (meaning "one who guards the
bread"), and was not used in ancient times. Therefore "Lord
Mithra" does not really apply. The Bible has the word "adoni" (and
variations) that is fraudulently translated as "lord," though no
such concept existed when the Bible was written. "Husband Mithra"
would have been the phrase used.
I thought "Lord" was simply the master of the house.
"Lord" is Old English for "bread warder," i.e., one who was in
charge of the grainery. The word is derived from "hlafweard,"
which meant "loaf keeper." It was not in wide use until the +13th
century. In feudal Britaina those who held the grain were the
rulers and held the military power to guard the grain, hence
"lord" became "one who rules."
"Hlafaeta" in Old English meant "loaf eater," which was a person
who was dependant upon the lord for food, i.e., servant, slave,
wife, child.
There was no such concept among the ancient Hebrews, and the word
"lord" does not appear in the Hebrew Testament nor Christian
Testament. What one finds is that when the word "lord" is rendered
in English Bibles, the actual word was either a variation of
"adoni" (husband) or the desert tribal war god YHWH (Yahweh, yy,
yy-el-ohim). For example, in Genesis 1 one sees "Yahweh of the
gods" fraudulently rendered "lord" 13 times.
Babylon probably had a system of food storage and distribution,
which the Hebrews learned about during the Captivity. In Exodus we
see the story (totally fictional) of a Pharaoh using Daniel's
advice to store grain during seven years of surplus, to later be
sold at extortionist prices during the seven years of famine: the
authors of that story almost certainly got it from an older
Babylonian story. (The ancient Hebrews were never slaves in Egypt:
The Exodus never happened.)
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Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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http://lastliberal.org
I am referring to the modern branches of science which call God a liar, and
which call His Word a lie. Archeology, paleontology, and astronomy to name a
few. They all claim the Earth and Universe are billions of years old in direct
conflict with the Biblical record. Between God's Word and man's word, I'll
believe God's Word any day: - Bill Kochman (He's serious, by the way.)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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05 Jan 2005 02:46:00 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:00:18 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Lord Mithra died for humanity 4 centuries before
the Jesus mythos was concocted.
No such statement can be found in any ancient
text, or in any modern scholarly text.
<rofl!> You don't know how to use Google, huh?
Selectively. He used google to net-grep for anything critical of his
heros Tertullian and Eusebius. And then leap in showing his prejudiced
ignorance.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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05 Jan 2005 06:33:41 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:00:18 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Lord Mithra died for humanity 4 centuries before
the Jesus mythos was concocted.
No such statement can be found in any ancient
text, or in any modern scholarly text.
<rofl!> You don't know how to use Google, huh?
Selectively. He used google to net-grep for anything critical of his
heros Tertullian and Eusebius. And then leap in showing his prejudiced
ignorance.
I'm sure. }:-} Someone years ago told me that Lord Mithra couldn't have
come before Christianity or have been one of the origins of Christianity
because "myth" comes from the word "Mithra."
Maybe this is the same nut. }:-}
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Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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