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Religions > Atheism |
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"quibbler" |
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06 Jan 2005 08:07:39 PM |
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Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
08 Jan 2005 04:14:21 PM |
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In article <OPTDd.81355$Ix2.64732@okepread02>,
says...
Which beats your mad scientist view every time....
Oh? Well I for one have no desire to go back to back to the dark ages.
Then why do you push for more things that ignore ethics or decency
You've provided no examples. How would using a stem cell, which has no
brain or body or any potential to become a human being, somehow be
indecent or unethical? What other single-celled lifeforms are you so
obsessed about? Is every sperm sacred as well? Are you capable of
presenting a reasonable argument with evidence to support your view and
if so, why don't you actually do it? Enough with your one and two
sentence hit-and-run nonsense.
. Sounds
pretty dark ages to me.
You appear to know nothing about the dark ages. Then proclaimed their
actions to be quite moral and consistent with the de facto theocracy
which had supplanted roman law. Of course they were liars and
hypocrites and avaricious scoundrels, but so are most xians and
talibangelists today.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
09 Jan 2005 03:00:39 AM |
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In article <MPG.1c4a092df7a5a264989b56@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <OPTDd.81355$Ix2.64732@okepread02>,
says...
Which beats your mad scientist view every time....
Oh? Well I for one have no desire to go back to back to the dark ages.
Then why do you push for more things that ignore ethics or decency
You've provided no examples. How would using a stem cell, which has no
brain or body or any potential to become a human being, somehow be
indecent or unethical? What other single-celled lifeforms are you so
obsessed about? Is every sperm sacred as well? Are you capable of
presenting a reasonable argument with evidence to support your view and
if so, why don't you actually do it? Enough with your one and two
sentence hit-and-run nonsense.
Unreasonable Insanity is one of those who believe that in the
microsecond that daddy sperm meets mommy egg, the result is a fully
fledged, full formed human being with all of the rights and privileges
pertaining thereto. A stem cell cannot think, has no sensation, and
cannot perform any external action except to divide. It has no potential
to become a human being unless it is implanted in a uterus. The
fertilized eggs use to create stem cells are by products of in vitro
fertilization. As such they are doomed to be discarded or to die a low
death, which they eventually will, in liquid N2. There is no ethical
reason not to use them to develop therapies to alleviate human
suffering. On the contrary, if the expertise and the funding are there,
I think that it would be unethical not to.
. Sounds
pretty dark ages to me.
You appear to know nothing about the dark ages. Then proclaimed their
actions to be quite moral and consistent with the de facto theocracy
which had supplanted roman law. Of course they were liars and
hypocrites and avaricious scoundrels, but so are most xians and
talibangelists today.
On the plus side, they are not burning people at the stake again, at
least for now.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
09 Jan 2005 10:31:30 PM |
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In article <jhachm-FFF2EE.01003909012005@news.giganews.com>,
jhachm@ixpres.com says...
In article <MPG.1c4a092df7a5a264989b56@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <OPTDd.81355$Ix2.64732@okepread02>,
says...
Which beats your mad scientist view every time....
Oh? Well I for one have no desire to go back to back to the dark ages.
Then why do you push for more things that ignore ethics or decency
You've provided no examples. How would using a stem cell, which has no
brain or body or any potential to become a human being, somehow be
indecent or unethical? What other single-celled lifeforms are you so
obsessed about? Is every sperm sacred as well? Are you capable of
presenting a reasonable argument with evidence to support your view and
if so, why don't you actually do it? Enough with your one and two
sentence hit-and-run nonsense.
Unreasonable Insanity is one of those who believe that in the
microsecond that daddy sperm meets mommy egg, the result is a fully
fledged,
I usually refer to that as the "moment of *misconception*" After all,
contrary to the nonsense that religious people believe, there is no
"moment of conception". Assimilation of the genes takes place over the
course of several days. Even still, once the haploid genes have finally
been combined together, the cell is still nothing more than a blueprint.
It would make as much sense to say that the blueprint of a house was the
same as the actual house.
full formed human being with all of the rights and privileges
pertaining thereto.
Except that children, even once born have very few rights, as minors.
Furthermore, that's exactly how many xians want it. If "xian
scientists" don't want to inoculate their children then suddenly the
"right to life" for the child goes out the window. In fact torah says
that the parents can stone disobedience children. What kind of "right
to life" is that? The difference is that these xian assholes actually
want to do that with a fully formed, thinking, autonomously living
child, while balking at any actions against an undifferentiated,
microscopic clump of cells which is nothing like an actual newborn baby.
A stem cell cannot think, has no sensation, and
cannot perform any external action except to divide. It has no potential
to become a human being unless it is implanted in a uterus. The
fertilized eggs use to create stem cells are by products of in vitro
fertilization. As such they are doomed to be discarded or to die a low
death, which they eventually will, in liquid N2. There is no ethical
reason not to use them to develop therapies to alleviate human
suffering. On the contrary, if the expertise and the funding are there,
I think that it would be unethical not to.
Yes and I would add that fewer zygotes are needed to produce a stem cell
line than are needed for the average fertility treatment. Once the stem
cell line is established it can be used for long periods of time without
even requiring the input of more zygotes/blastocysts. The potential for
progress with embryonic stem cells grows greater by the day, to the
point where it is not only unethical to oppose embryonic stem cell
research, but it ought to be considered a crime against humanity to deny
these benefits to the sick and dying who could benefit.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
09 Jan 2005 11:22:40 PM |
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In article <MPG.1c4bb2fcae1ccb0989b63@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <jhachm-FFF2EE.01003909012005@news.giganews.com>,
jhachm@ixpres.com says...
In article <MPG.1c4a092df7a5a264989b56@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <OPTDd.81355$Ix2.64732@okepread02>,
says...
Which beats your mad scientist view every time....
Oh? Well I for one have no desire to go back to back to the dark ages.
Then why do you push for more things that ignore ethics or decency
You've provided no examples. How would using a stem cell, which has no
brain or body or any potential to become a human being, somehow be
indecent or unethical? What other single-celled lifeforms are you so
obsessed about? Is every sperm sacred as well? Are you capable of
presenting a reasonable argument with evidence to support your view and
if so, why don't you actually do it? Enough with your one and two
sentence hit-and-run nonsense.
Unreasonable Insanity is one of those who believe that in the
microsecond that daddy sperm meets mommy egg, the result is a fully
fledged,
I usually refer to that as the "moment of *misconception*" After all,
contrary to the nonsense that religious people believe, there is no
"moment of conception". Assimilation of the genes takes place over the
course of several days. Even still, once the haploid genes have finally
been combined together, the cell is still nothing more than a blueprint.
It would make as much sense to say that the blueprint of a house was the
same as the actual house.
Exactly. A zygote is no more a human being that an acorn is an oak tree.
full formed human being with all of the rights and privileges
pertaining thereto.
Except that children, even once born have very few rights, as minors.
Furthermore, that's exactly how many xians want it. If "xian
scientists" don't want to inoculate their children then suddenly the
"right to life" for the child goes out the window. In fact torah says
that the parents can stone disobedience children. What kind of "right
to life" is that? The difference is that these xian assholes actually
want to do that with a fully formed, thinking, autonomously living
child, while balking at any actions against an undifferentiated,
microscopic clump of cells which is nothing like an actual newborn baby.
That's my objection. they seem to care more about the 'child' before
it's born than after.
A stem cell cannot think, has no sensation, and
cannot perform any external action except to divide. It has no potential
to become a human being unless it is implanted in a uterus. The
fertilized eggs use to create stem cells are by products of in vitro
fertilization. As such they are doomed to be discarded or to die a low
death, which they eventually will, in liquid N2. There is no ethical
reason not to use them to develop therapies to alleviate human
suffering. On the contrary, if the expertise and the funding are there,
I think that it would be unethical not to.
Yes and I would add that fewer zygotes are needed to produce a stem cell
line than are needed for the average fertility treatment. Once the stem
cell line is established it can be used for long periods of time without
even requiring the input of more zygotes/blastocysts. The potential for
progress with embryonic stem cells grows greater by the day, to the
point where it is not only unethical to oppose embryonic stem cell
research, but it ought to be considered a crime against humanity to deny
these benefits to the sick and dying who could benefit.
One thing is certain. We will never know what benefits might or might
not be there unless we do the science.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
08 Jan 2005 04:21:42 PM |
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In article <wOuDd.81102$Ix2.74215@okepread02>,
says...
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-94C4A8.23034006012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which beats your mad scientist view every time....
Learn how to properly post on usenet or refrain from participating. If
your comment was in response to a particular statement then place it
directly after that statement. If you ignore this warning then expect
to be subject to greater ridicule.
Now then, as to your nonsensical "mad scientist" view, you're obviously
too stupid to understand that it was a *stereotype* and a rather
irrational one at that. No mad science is involved here, but rather,
people are being given vital and lifesaving treatment to restore their
hearts to a healthy condition.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
09 Jan 2005 11:08:02 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
12 Jan 2005 12:10:19 AM |
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In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
13 Jan 2005 06:36:29 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
14 Jan 2005 12:07:00 AM |
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In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
14 Jan 2005 07:43:21 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
15 Jan 2005 01:26:04 AM |
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In article <f9tgu01j1nga59adb4e8he3craci8rgv4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral
bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act
together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
Bleah! Windows media player doesn't run on Mac.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
16 Jan 2005 07:23:32 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:26:04 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <f9tgu01j1nga59adb4e8he3craci8rgv4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral
bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act
together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
Bleah! Windows media player doesn't run on Mac.
Damn. :\
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
16 Jan 2005 01:25:59 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
Bleah! Windows media player doesn't run on Mac.
Sure it does. You just have to download it.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1e974157-5031-4ac6-840a-6e07547b6aeb&displaylang=en
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
16 Jan 2005 11:21:11 PM |
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In article <csd4u6$qas$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
Bleah! Windows media player doesn't run on Mac.
Sure it does. You just have to download it.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1e974157-5031-4ac6-84
0a-6e07547b6aeb&displaylang=en
I'm surprised that M$ is giving away something. Thanks!
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John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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16 Jan 2005 07:24:03 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:25:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
Bleah! Windows media player doesn't run on Mac.
Sure it does. You just have to download it.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1e974157-5031-4ac6-840a-6e07547b6aeb&displaylang=en
YAY!!!! :D
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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15 Jan 2005 01:38:34 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <f9tgu01j1nga59adb4e8he3craci8rgv4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral
bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act
together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
Bleah! Windows media player doesn't run on Mac.
windows xp is the official operating system of the bleeding choir invisible
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16 Jan 2005 01:05:16 AM |
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In article <_L3Gd.11602$5R.2780@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <f9tgu01j1nga59adb4e8he3craci8rgv4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral
bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act
together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
Bleah! Windows media player doesn't run on Mac.
windows xp is the official operating system of the bleeding choir invisible
If I believed in Satan, I would believe that Windoze xs was his bloody
offspring.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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19 Jan 2005 02:13:06 AM |
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In article <f9tgu01j1nga59adb4e8he3craci8rgv4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral
bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act
together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
OK, I finally downloaded Windows media player.
Now that was funny!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Jan 2005 10:58:49 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:13:06 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <f9tgu01j1nga59adb4e8he3craci8rgv4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral
bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act
together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
OK, I finally downloaded Windows media player.
Now that was funny!
I thought you'd like it. :)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Embryonic Stem Cell Pacemakers |
20 Jan 2005 12:33:45 AM |
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In article <kd4tu0dbmi80kqjgpkgito9cj4api9egnj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:13:06 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <f9tgu01j1nga59adb4e8he3craci8rgv4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to
help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic,
immoral
bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act
together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get
relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
OK, I finally downloaded Windows media player.
Now that was funny!
I thought you'd like it. :)
Thanks! :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Jan 2005 12:40:03 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:33:45 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kd4tu0dbmi80kqjgpkgito9cj4api9egnj@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:13:06 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <f9tgu01j1nga59adb4e8he3craci8rgv4m@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:07:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <4v4eu010k2s0e82s7rhhdl9ah2da7fc304@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <3d34u05ead66nsl3oamqj6d3p34eenoqq0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:03:40 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to
help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic,
immoral
bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Great work! I hope that California gets it's own stem cell act
together
soon. If not we will probably see a 'brain drain' in reverse. The
anti-science attitude of the Bush administration is a disgrace.
Well, they are drooling idiots.
"Sy-ents make you think. Think make hed hurt. Sy-ents bad. Get
relijun.
Relijun no make you think. Hed no hurt. Relijun good!"
"Thank you Mr. President."
/shrub
"Where beaver? Eat for lunch."
LOL!
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=496
OK, I finally downloaded Windows media player.
Now that was funny!
I thought you'd like it. :)
Thanks! :-)
You're more than welcome.
(still chuckling)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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06 Jan 2005 10:10:52 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Too bad idiots like you haven't realized that Bush was the first president
to provide federal funding to stem cell research.
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| User: "" |
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06 Jan 2005 11:00:01 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Too bad idiots like you haven't realized that Bush was the first president
to provide federal funding to stem cell research.
The discovery wasn't until 1998 (as to isolating stem cells from human
embryos); hence, "the first president" is a matter of timing only, and not
because of any pioneering spirit. Get the non-relevance of his
non-distinctive position?
DUH-bya's conclusion to allow federal funds only on existing stem cell lines
is what's idiotic.
Read between the "lines"....In no way does his half-baked conclusion allow us
to explore the promise and potential...
Embryonic Stem Cell Research
August 9, 2001
"As a result of private research, more than 60 genetically
diverse stem cell lines already exist" I have
concluded that we should allow federal funds to be used for
research on these existing stem cell lines "
where the life and death decision has already been made", This
allows us to explore the promise and
potential of stem cell research" without crossing a fundamental
moral line by providing taxpayer funding that
would sanction or encourage further destruction of human embryos
that have at least the potential for life."
-- George W. Bush
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08 Jan 2005 03:23:53 PM |
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In article <41DE1751.CB5FE412@bellsouth.net>, ()
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
Gactimus wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Too bad idiots like you haven't realized that Bush was the first president
to provide federal funding to stem cell research.
The discovery wasn't until 1998 (as to isolating stem cells from human
embryos); hence, "the first president" is a matter of timing only, and not
because of any pioneering spirit. Get the non-relevance of his
non-distinctive position?
DUH-bya's conclusion to allow federal funds only on existing stem cell lines
is what's idiotic.
Read between the "lines"....In no way does his half-baked conclusion allow us
to explore the promise and potential...
Embryonic Stem Cell Research
August 9, 2001
"As a result of private research, more than 60 genetically
diverse stem cell lines already exist" I have
concluded that we should allow federal funds to be used for
research on these existing stem cell lines "
where the life and death decision has already been made", This
allows us to explore the promise and
potential of stem cell research" without crossing a fundamental
moral line by providing taxpayer funding that
would sanction or encourage further destruction of human embryos
that have at least the potential for profis."
-- George W. Bush
fiX0r3d
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Starshine Moonbeam
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
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07 Jan 2005 08:16:01 AM |
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In article <mrCdnZ8KRJdRlkPcRVn-rg@rcn.net>, says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral bush
administration is blocking federal funding of important research.
Too bad idiots like you haven't realized that Bush was the first president
to provide federal funding to stem cell research.
Too bad you don't know what the ***** you're talking about. Now pay
attention. The issue is EMBRYONIC stem cells. Do you see the
capitalized word now? Other stem cells of the non-embryonic variety
have been research for quite some time, therefore making you WRONG to
claim that bush is the first to provide funding. Human EMBRYONIC stem
cells lines were only isolated by the university of wisconsin a few
years ago. Bush has earmarked a paltry 24 million laughable dollars for
research on a scientifically useless, token stem cell line, banning
additional research in embryonic stem cells across the board. None of
his ridiculously meager funding has actually been used, from what I've
heard, making your ignorant claim all the more dubious. Now stop
babbling, since you clearly know nothing about the subject and have
nothing to contribute.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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07 Jan 2005 08:59:19 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1c4847751991f14d989b52@news.individual.net:
In article <mrCdnZ8KRJdRlkPcRVn-rg@rcn.net>, says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral
bush administration is blocking federal funding of important
research.
Too bad idiots like you haven't realized that Bush was the first
president to provide federal funding to stem cell research.
Too bad you don't know what the ***** you're talking about. Now pay
attention. The issue is EMBRYONIC stem cells. Do you see the
capitalized word now? Other stem cells of the non-embryonic variety
have been research for quite some time, therefore making you WRONG to
claim that bush is the first to provide funding. Human EMBRYONIC stem
cells lines were only isolated by the university of wisconsin a few
years ago. Bush has earmarked a paltry 24 million laughable dollars for
research on a scientifically useless, token stem cell line, banning
additional research in embryonic stem cells across the board. None of
his ridiculously meager funding has actually been used,
Which is good, since it is unconstitutional to spend money on research.
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| User: "jwk" |
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07 Jan 2005 09:53:05 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
... it is unconstitutional to spend money on research.
Come again? You are going to have to back up that whopper with a cite.
Find me one, just one, cite where it shows research maney from the
government is unconstutional. The whole fucking country would be
living like the Amish if it weren't for government money in research.
You are a complete fool.
jwk
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08 Jan 2005 03:23:57 PM |
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In article <XuidnXkmDfVaPkPcRVn-oA@rcn.net>, Gactimus ()
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1c4847751991f14d989b52@news.individual.net:
In article <mrCdnZ8KRJdRlkPcRVn-rg@rcn.net>, says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1c479cd1e294c03d989b4f@news.individual.net:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106114313.htm
Yet another example of the potential of embryonic stem cells to help
hundreds of thousands of people. Too bad that the moronic, immoral
bush administration is blocking federal funding of important
research.
Too bad idiots like you haven't realized that Bush was the first
president to provide federal funding to stem cell research.
Too bad you don't know what the ***** you're talking about. Now pay
attention. The issue is EMBRYONIC stem cells. Do you see the
capitalized word now? Other stem cells of the non-embryonic variety
have been research for quite some time, therefore making you WRONG to
claim that bush is the first to provide funding. Human EMBRYONIC stem
cells lines were only isolated by the university of wisconsin a few
years ago. Bush has earmarked a paltry 24 million laughable dollars for
research on a scientifically useless, token stem cell line, banning
additional research in embryonic stem cells across the board. None of
his ridiculously meager funding has actually been used,
Which is good, since it is unconstitutional to spend money on research.
HAHAHAHAHAHHA !!!
I'd love to see you try to prove that one.
--
Starshine Moonbeam
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
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07 Jan 2005 12:19:47 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:59:19 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Which is good, since it is unconstitutional to spend money on research.
Cite?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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07 Jan 2005 12:23:15 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:4jktt0l8e081lu5i63egf5bmr72chvnsbv@4ax.com:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:59:19 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Which is good, since it is unconstitutional to spend money on research.
Cite?
The Constitution is very specific on what Congress can spend money on.
Reseach is not one of them.
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