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"Rob Wade" |
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24 Feb 2005 04:08:32 PM |
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Ending Abortion Would Save Social Security, Group Argues |
Ending Abortion Would Save Social Security, Group Argues
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
(CNSNews.com) - President Bush can protect Social Security by "curing"
abortion, a pro-life group says.
The American Life League is running a full-page newspaper ad in
Thursday's Washington Times, explaining that since 1973, more than 50
million babies have been killed through abortion.
"Those are the very babies that, today, would be living, working -- and
paying into Social Security," said Judie Brown, president of American
Life League. "However, the national plague of abortion has eliminated
those contributors from society."
The ad challenges the federal government to pull its multi-million
dollar annual subsidy of Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest
abortion provider, and other abortion-promoting entities.
"The government is largely responsible for the Social Security crisis"
because it has continued to fund abortion giants, such as Planned
Parenthood, Brown said.
"With this ad, American Life League is blowing the whistle on the
failed government program of funding abortion."
Brown believes there is a "strong, direct connection" between Social
Security problems and abortion: "We have killed off our children, who
are no longer here to provide for us in the future."
She said the Social Security crisis will end, only when Americans stop
treating life like a dispensable commodity.
'Consumer Reports' blasted
In another development, a subsidiary of the American Life League is
urging Americans to cancel their subscriptions to Consumer Reports
magazine -- following revelations that James Guest, the CEO of
Consumers Union, once served as the president of a Maryland Planned
Parenthood affiliate.
According to the American Life League's STOPP International, that
explains why Consumer Reports' February issue ran "irresponsible
features on abortion and birth control."
Pro-life advocates say the Feb. 2005 issue of Consumer Reports magazine
contains deceptive, inaccurate information about how birth control
pills work.
Specifically, according to STOPP International said, the February issue
"follows a long-established Planned Parenthood propaganda tactic of not
telling consumers that the pill can cause the death of a human being in
the womb by preventing implantation" of a fertilized egg.
"If Consumers Union will lie about causing the death of human beings,
where else will it compromise its integrity?" asked Jim Sedlak,
executive director of American Life League's STOPP International.
He said the only way for Consumers Union to restore its credibility is
to "clean house."
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| User: "Pat Kiewicz" |
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25 Feb 2005 08:58:09 AM |
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Rob Wade said:
Ending Abortion Would Save Social Security, Group Argues
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
(CNSNews.com) - President Bush can protect Social Security by "curing"
abortion, a pro-life group says.
The American Life League is running a full-page newspaper ad in
Thursday's Washington Times, explaining that since 1973, more than 50
million babies have been killed through abortion.
We all remember how *impossible* it was to get booze during Prohibition!
And there are no illegal drugs for sale anywhere in the USA!
Argh! Why do people think that making abortion illegal will ensure that it
never happens? (Or that women who have abortions *never* go on to
have children later in their lives? )
We have *no idea* how many more people there would have been
if Roe v Wade hadn't legalized abortion. It can be argued that there
might even have been FEWER children born:
1) Some of these babies might have been born, and the women would not
have had some (or all) the children they went on to have after their abortion.
Result: NO GAIN.
2) Some of those babies would still not have been born due to *illegal*
abortions. And also more women would have died of complications
or been rendered sterile by post-abortion infections, meaning they wouldn't
have gone on to have future children.
Result: A NET LOSS.
I know of at least one elderly woman who would have had children if she
had had access to a safe, legal abortion when she was young, unmarried
and 'in trouble.' (Yes, back in grandma's day, women had abortions. I
wish some of those old women would speak up about how things used
to be.)
Before Roe v Wade women in the USA had abortions. In countries where
it isn't currently legal, women have abortions. In *ancient times* it was
considered neccessary to make laws against women having abortions,
*even in societies where infanticide was common*. (A man could not be
deprived of potential sons, or the final decision about his 'property.')
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Pat K. aa#1154 ('someplace.net' is comcast)
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Feb 2005 08:13:31 PM |
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On 24 Feb 2005 14:08:32 -0800, "Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
The American Life League is running a full-page newspaper ad in
Thursday's Washington Times, explaining that since 1973, more than 50
million babies have been killed through abortion.
"Those are the very babies that, today, would be living, working -- and
paying into Social Security,"
And, starting around 2040, causing a HUGE drain on it as they start to
retire, totally bankrupting the system.
TANSTAAFL!
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Mike Ruskai" |
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24 Feb 2005 08:48:42 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:13:31 GMT, Al Klein wrote:
On 24 Feb 2005 14:08:32 -0800, "Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
The American Life League is running a full-page newspaper ad in
Thursday's Washington Times, explaining that since 1973, more than 50
million babies have been killed through abortion.
"Those are the very babies that, today, would be living, working -- and
paying into Social Security,"
And, starting around 2040, causing a HUGE drain on it as they start to
retire, totally bankrupting the system.
TANSTAAFL!
Let's not ignore the fact that there aren't enough jobs to keep the
current population employed. Millions on unemployment, and millions more
unemployed without being counted (once off the dole, you don't exist in
employment statistics).
The Social Security argument against abortion is one of the most comically
ignorant I've ever seen.
--
- Mike
Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
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| User: "BOB" |
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24 Feb 2005 08:54:27 PM |
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"Mike Ruskai" <spamten.knilhtrae@begonedynnaht.net> wrote in
news:gunaalqrneguyvaxarg.icg5561.pminews@news.west.earthlink.net:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:13:31 GMT, Al Klein wrote:
On 24 Feb 2005 14:08:32 -0800, "Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
The American Life League is running a full-page newspaper ad in
Thursday's Washington Times, explaining that since 1973, more than 50
million babies have been killed through abortion.
"Those are the very babies that, today, would be living, working --
and paying into Social Security,"
And, starting around 2040, causing a HUGE drain on it as they start to
retire, totally bankrupting the system.
TANSTAAFL!
Let's not ignore the fact that there aren't enough jobs to keep the
current population employed. Millions on unemployment, and millions
more unemployed without being counted (once off the dole, you don't
exist in employment statistics).
The Social Security argument against abortion is one of the most
comically ignorant I've ever seen.
That's probably because you are an idiot.
--
- Mike
Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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24 Feb 2005 10:35:35 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:54:27 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Mike Ruskai" <spamten.knilhtrae@begonedynnaht.net> wrote in
news:gunaalqrneguyvaxarg.icg5561.pminews@news.west.earthlink.net:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:13:31 GMT, Al Klein wrote:
On 24 Feb 2005 14:08:32 -0800, "Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
The American Life League is running a full-page newspaper ad in
Thursday's Washington Times, explaining that since 1973, more than 50
million babies have been killed through abortion.
"Those are the very babies that, today, would be living, working --
and paying into Social Security,"
And, starting around 2040, causing a HUGE drain on it as they start to
retire, totally bankrupting the system.
TANSTAAFL!
Let's not ignore the fact that there aren't enough jobs to keep the
current population employed. Millions on unemployment, and millions
more unemployed without being counted (once off the dole, you don't
exist in employment statistics).
The Social Security argument against abortion is one of the most
comically ignorant I've ever seen.
That's probably because you are an idiot.
Oh look, another NeoCon with his head shoved up his *****.
Let's see, these 50 million theoretical babies will magically grow up
to be productive members of society even though their moms love them
so much they got aborted.
According to your argument, since NBA players are tall, if we force
horse jockeys to join the NBA, they will magically grow 3 feet in
height.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1486 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "kathryn" |
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25 Feb 2005 12:53:22 PM |
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"Mike Ruskai" <spamten.knilhtrae@begonedynnaht.net> wrote in message
news:gunaalqrneguyvaxarg.icg5561.pminews@news.west.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:13:31 GMT, Al Klein wrote:
On 24 Feb 2005 14:08:32 -0800, "Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
The American Life League is running a full-page newspaper ad in
Thursday's Washington Times, explaining that since 1973, more than 50
million babies have been killed through abortion.
"Those are the very babies that, today, would be living, working -- and
paying into Social Security,"
And, starting around 2040, causing a HUGE drain on it as they start to
retire, totally bankrupting the system.
TANSTAAFL!
Let's not ignore the fact that there aren't enough jobs to keep the
current population employed. Millions on unemployment, and millions more
unemployed without being counted (once off the dole, you don't exist in
employment statistics).
The Social Security argument against abortion is one of the most comically
ignorant I've ever seen.
--
- Mike
Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
Well you know it seems to work in all them developing countries....
Oh wait
It doesnt
Do'h!
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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24 Feb 2005 09:14:05 PM |
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"Mike Ruskai" <spamten.knilhtrae@begonedynnaht.net> wrote in message
news:gunaalqrneguyvaxarg.icg5561.pminews@news.west.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:13:31 GMT, Al Klein wrote:
On 24 Feb 2005 14:08:32 -0800, "Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
The American Life League is running a full-page newspaper ad in
Thursday's Washington Times, explaining that since 1973, more than 50
million babies have been killed through abortion.
"Those are the very babies that, today, would be living, working -- and
paying into Social Security,"
And, starting around 2040, causing a HUGE drain on it as they start to
retire, totally bankrupting the system.
TANSTAAFL!
Let's not ignore the fact that there aren't enough jobs to keep the
current population employed. Millions on unemployment, and millions more
unemployed without being counted (once off the dole, you don't exist in
employment statistics).
The Social Security argument against abortion is one of the most comically
ignorant I've ever seen.
Social Security is in and of itself is a problem. Nothing can fix it.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Feb 2005 10:36:09 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:14:05 -0600, "Reasoned Insanity"
<mintclovers@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Social Security is in and of itself is a problem. Nothing can fix it.
It's not broken, it's just being misused.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Feb 2005 10:35:34 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:48:42 GMT, "Mike Ruskai"
<spamten.knilhtrae@begonedynnaht.net> said in alt.atheism:
Let's not ignore the fact that there aren't enough jobs to keep the
current population employed. Millions on unemployment, and millions more
unemployed without being counted (once off the dole, you don't exist in
employment statistics).
Well ... BushCo *is* trying to increase the number of jobs. ("Would
you like fries with that?")
The Social Security argument against abortion is one of the most comically
ignorant I've ever seen.
So is the "privatization" argument.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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25 Feb 2005 05:47:09 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:emat115ouon43acgudijh4jg95k9ks0eq2@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:48:42 GMT, "Mike Ruskai"
<spamten.knilhtrae@begonedynnaht.net> said in alt.atheism:
Let's not ignore the fact that there aren't enough jobs to keep the
current population employed. Millions on unemployment, and millions more
unemployed without being counted (once off the dole, you don't exist in
employment statistics).
Well ... BushCo *is* trying to increase the number of jobs. ("Would
you like fries with that?")
The Social Security argument against abortion is one of the most comically
ignorant I've ever seen.
So is the "privatization" argument.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
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No amount of correct use would save social security. The privatization idea
is better than what they have been doing.
http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba215.html
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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25 Feb 2005 12:24:18 PM |
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"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LeETd.33496$Cs.5181@okepread02...
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:emat115ouon43acgudijh4jg95k9ks0eq2@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:48:42 GMT, "Mike Ruskai"
<spamten.knilhtrae@begonedynnaht.net> said in alt.atheism:
Let's not ignore the fact that there aren't enough jobs to keep the
current population employed. Millions on unemployment, and millions
more
unemployed without being counted (once off the dole, you don't exist in
employment statistics).
Well ... BushCo *is* trying to increase the number of jobs. ("Would
you like fries with that?")
The Social Security argument against abortion is one of the most
comically
ignorant I've ever seen.
So is the "privatization" argument.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
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No amount of correct use would save social security.
Virtually every economist disagrees.
The privatization idea
is better than what they have been doing.
The only thing about Bush's privatization plan that could come close to
being considered positive is that it would result in a net $2T tax rebate to
the private financial sector. It would be a financial disaster waiting to
happen.
http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba215.html
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Feb 2005 02:26:56 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:24:18 -0800, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<dk@suespammers.org> said in alt.atheism:
The only thing about Bush's privatization plan that could come close to
being considered positive is that it would result in a net $2T tax rebate to
the private financial sector. It would be a financial disaster waiting to
happen.
Only if you're not a) Bush or b) one of the partners of a firm that
would get part of that 2T.
Like ~99.9993% of the population.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Feb 2005 12:58:59 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:47:09 -0600, "Reasoned Insanity"
<mintclovers@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
No amount of correct use would save social security.
If the money taken out of pay checks were invested, instead of being
used as it's collected, it would help.
The privatization idea is better than what they have been doing.
Privatization makes 2 contradictory economic assumptions, one to prove
that SS will fail and the other to show that privatization will work.
Using either assumption for both, either both would succeed or both
will fail.
http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba215.html
"Of that 13.78 percent, 9.737 percent goes to the employee's
individual retirement account, which pays a 6.5 percent average
interest rate, compounded daily."
No one is likely to find that kind of return - or even 6.5% simple
interest - these days. These are individual investments, not the
combined investment of 3 entire counties.
"A person retiring today at age 65 with 40 years of deposits and an
annual salary of $20,000 would retire with $383,032 in a personal
account."
You only need 1/4 of that amount of investment, 40 quarters, to
collect SS.
"... and the money is invested in annuities with a highly rated
insurance company. Though the interest rate can fluctuate from year to
year, the financial institution that invests the money must pay a
guaranteed interest rate for that year."
Not so with the government's plan. There's no guaranteed rate of
return, and there's no guarantee of principal. You could end up, on
the government's plan, at age 65 and not a penny in your private plan.
Just imagine if you had been invested in Enron and WorldCom and were
ready to retire just after they crashed and burned.
Or if the economy took another downturn, and you earned an average of
0.5% return in the early years (which is when the money really
builds). SS is a guaranteed base amount - there's no guarantee with
privatization. They're two entirely different things.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
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