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User: "Gospel"
Date: 08 Nov 2004 04:47:50 PM
Object: Eroding evolution's believability
Dr. Kelly Hollowell
Posted: November 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Once again, evolutionists strike when the iron is hot in an attempt to
affirm the same bogus evolutionary dogma they have crammed down our
throats for 150 years. Once again, they've got it wrong.
The recent discovery of a dwarf skeleton on the remote Indonesian island
of Flores has scientists anxious to create another sub-class of humans.
This one is called Homo floresiensis, which implies that they belong to
a different species of people than those living today, we Homo sapiens.
Researchers found the skull and part of the skeleton of an adult female,
plus bones and teeth from seven other individuals. These remains have
many features similar to Homo erectus, another so-called human species
claimed to be the ape-man of Africa and our subhuman ancestor. Now
researchers suggest the Flores bones are dwarfed descendants of Homo
erectus.
At least with this much I would be willing to agree. According to many
experts, "there is so little evidence in Homo erectus specimens outside
the range of human variation that they are likely just another type of
human resulting from genetic diversification."
But the showstopper in the recent discovery of Homo flores came when the
3-foot-tall adult female skeleton was dated as only 18,000 years old.
That means this hobbit-like dwarf of a human shatters the long-held
scientific belief that Homo sapiens systematically crowded out other
upright walking human cousins some 160,000 years ago and took over the
human population tens of thousands of years ago.
But wait, there's more.
This "would-be missing link" between us and the original missing link
also happens to have the brain size of a grapefruit, which is 2/3
smaller than ours. It is actually closer to the brain size of a modern
day monkey and other pre-human ancestors who purportedly became extinct
2 million years ago.
According to authorities, this is what makes the dwarf skeleton the most
extreme figure to be included in the extended human family. Chris
Stringer, the director of human origins studies at the Natural History
Museum in London, said this finding "rewrites our knowledge of human
history."
In other words, this finding suggests recent evolution was (just had to
be) more complex than previously thought. (Now that's an understatement.)
Think about the rather recent results from mapping the human genome.
They revealed the instructions for creating human life are packed into
roughly 35,000 genes, only 15,000 more genes than certain worms and
about twice as many as a fruit fly. This discovery alone dramatically
increased the complexity of function in DNA necessary to sustain
increasingly complex life forms and account for the spontaneous creation
and diversification of all species according to traditional notions of
evolution.
Now add the recent finding of Flores man. He contains a jumble of
features that appear borrowed from extinct primitive man. Yet he lived
crossing timelines with both Homo erectus and Homo sapiens. If previous
timelines are to be believed, this indicates dramatic changes in DNA and
creation of a new species rather recently – not millions of years ago.
It also suggests a lengthy coexistence of two different species of man
based on geologic evidence that a massive volcano caused the extinction
of Homo flores as recently as 12,000 years ago. None of these
possibilities are consistent with traditional evolutionary theory.
Confounding evolutionists further, the Flores man had to migrate to the
Indonesian island by boat. Yet building a boat to sail on the open sea
is traditionally thought to be beyond the intellectual abilities of Homo
erectus. Remember, Homo flores has a brain size smaller than even Homo
erectus.
Additionally, the site of the find gives evidence of controlled use of
fire and sophisticated stone tools. All together, these new findings
shatter another long-held belief by evolutionists: that you need a
particular brain size to do anything intelligent.
As for their small body size of the recently found species, it adds no
support to evolutionary theory. Nature is full of examples such as deer,
elephants and pigs living in marginal, isolated environments that
gradually dwarf when food and resources are limited. Dwarfism also
exists in the current human population worldwide.
According to the Guinness Book of World Records, some of the more famous
modern-day dwarfs include actress Tamara de Treaux, who at 2 feet 7
inches tall played ET in Steven Spielberg's blockbuster film. There is
also Filipino paratrooper and black-belt martial arts exponent Weng
Wang, who measures just 2 feet 9 inches tall. And the shortest married
couple was the Brazilian pair Douglas da Silva and Claudia Rocha. When
they married in 1998, they were 35 inches and 36 inches, respectively.
All contradictions of the traditional theory ignored, evolutionary dogma
continues to be shoveled with the dirt that uncovered Homo flores. Yet
there is good news. The bones of Homo flores found are apparently not
fossilized. That means scientists are hopeful they might yield DNA that
could shed the truth on evolutionary theory and the absurdity of human
descent from apes by proving Homo flores is genetically human.
Just don't look for the retraction of their present claims on the
evening news.
.

User: "Boony"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 08 Nov 2004 08:12:36 PM
"Gospel" <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote in message
news:qISjd.25366$Al3.9923@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...


Dr. Kelly Hollowell
Posted: November 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Once again, evolutionists strike when the iron is hot in an attempt to
affirm the same bogus evolutionary dogma they have crammed down our
throats for 150 years. Once again, they've got it wrong.

The recent discovery of a dwarf skeleton on the remote Indonesian island
of Flores has scientists anxious to create another sub-class of humans.
This one is called Homo floresiensis, which implies that they belong to a
different species of people than those living today, we Homo sapiens.

Researchers found the skull and part of the skeleton of an adult female,
plus bones and teeth from seven other individuals. These remains have many
features similar to Homo erectus, another so-called human species claimed
to be the ape-man of Africa and our subhuman ancestor. Now researchers
suggest the Flores bones are dwarfed descendants of Homo erectus.

At least with this much I would be willing to agree. According to many
experts, "there is so little evidence in Homo erectus specimens outside
the range of human variation that they are likely just another type of
human resulting from genetic diversification."

But the showstopper in the recent discovery of Homo flores came when the
3-foot-tall adult female skeleton was dated as only 18,000 years old. That
means this hobbit-like dwarf of a human shatters the long-held scientific
belief that Homo sapiens systematically crowded out other upright walking
human cousins some 160,000 years ago and took over the human population
tens of thousands of years ago.

But wait, there's more.

This "would-be missing link" between us and the original missing link also
happens to have the brain size of a grapefruit, which is 2/3 smaller than
ours. It is actually closer to the brain size of a modern day monkey and
other pre-human ancestors who purportedly became extinct 2 million years
ago.

According to authorities, this is what makes the dwarf skeleton the most
extreme figure to be included in the extended human family. Chris
Stringer, the director of human origins studies at the Natural History
Museum in London, said this finding "rewrites our knowledge of human
history."

In other words, this finding suggests recent evolution was (just had to
be) more complex than previously thought. (Now that's an understatement.)

Think about the rather recent results from mapping the human genome. They
revealed the instructions for creating human life are packed into roughly
35,000 genes, only 15,000 more genes than certain worms and about twice as
many as a fruit fly. This discovery alone dramatically increased the
complexity of function in DNA necessary to sustain increasingly complex
life forms and account for the spontaneous creation and diversification of
all species according to traditional notions of evolution.

Now add the recent finding of Flores man. He contains a jumble of features
that appear borrowed from extinct primitive man. Yet he lived crossing
timelines with both Homo erectus and Homo sapiens. If previous timelines
are to be believed, this indicates dramatic changes in DNA and creation of
a new species rather recently – not millions of years ago.

It also suggests a lengthy coexistence of two different species of man
based on geologic evidence that a massive volcano caused the extinction of
Homo flores as recently as 12,000 years ago. None of these possibilities
are consistent with traditional evolutionary theory.

Confounding evolutionists further, the Flores man had to migrate to the
Indonesian island by boat. Yet building a boat to sail on the open sea is
traditionally thought to be beyond the intellectual abilities of Homo
erectus. Remember, Homo flores has a brain size smaller than even Homo
erectus.

Additionally, the site of the find gives evidence of controlled use of
fire and sophisticated stone tools. All together, these new findings
shatter another long-held belief by evolutionists: that you need a
particular brain size to do anything intelligent.

As for their small body size of the recently found species, it adds no
support to evolutionary theory. Nature is full of examples such as deer,
elephants and pigs living in marginal, isolated environments that
gradually dwarf when food and resources are limited. Dwarfism also exists
in the current human population worldwide.

According to the Guinness Book of World Records, some of the more famous
modern-day dwarfs include actress Tamara de Treaux, who at 2 feet 7 inches
tall played ET in Steven Spielberg's blockbuster film. There is also
Filipino paratrooper and black-belt martial arts exponent Weng Wang, who
measures just 2 feet 9 inches tall. And the shortest married couple was
the Brazilian pair Douglas da Silva and Claudia Rocha. When they married
in 1998, they were 35 inches and 36 inches, respectively.

All contradictions of the traditional theory ignored, evolutionary dogma
continues to be shoveled with the dirt that uncovered Homo flores. Yet
there is good news. The bones of Homo flores found are apparently not
fossilized. That means scientists are hopeful they might yield DNA that
could shed the truth on evolutionary theory and the absurdity of human
descent from apes by proving Homo flores is genetically human.

Just don't look for the retraction of their present claims on the evening
news.

An article that sums up Dr. Kelly Hollowell nicely...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38081
Boony
aa #1444
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User: "Ash"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 09 Nov 2004 04:00:13 AM
Boony wrote:


An article that sums up Dr. Kelly Hollowell nicely...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38081

We are in moral decline because of the theory of relativity? what a kook
.

User: "JPG"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 09 Nov 2004 03:13:05 AM
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:42:36 +1030, "Boony" <winpro@nospam.internode.on.net>
wrote:

"Gospel" <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote in message
news:qISjd.25366$Al3.9923@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...


Dr. Kelly Hollowell
Posted: November 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


Snip usual theist scientific sub literacy


An article that sums up Dr. Kelly Hollowell nicely...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38081

I can think of a good many male atheists who would be glad to "re-educate" her
:)


Boony
aa #1444

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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 08 Nov 2004 04:52:28 PM
"Gospel" <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote in message
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Back to the killfile with you, numbnuts.
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---------
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Resident Witchypoo
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User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 09 Nov 2004 08:12:22 AM
Gospel wrote:

Dr. Kelly Hollowell
Posted: November 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Once again, evolutionists strike when the iron is hot in an attempt to
affirm the same bogus evolutionary dogma they have crammed down our
throats for 150 years. Once again, they've got it wrong.

There is far, FAR more evidence of evolution than there is for "intelligent
design." The confluence of evidence in diverse fields such as geology,
archaeology, plate tectonics, chemistry, botany, zoology, physics, even
meteorology give considerable support to evolution.
Show me one scrap of positive evidence that actually supports ID -- POSITIVE
evidence, not just the ignorant excuse of "It's so complicated and unlikely,
what else could it be?" -- and I will consider the argument worth merit.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in
the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary,
self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny." - James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 09 Nov 2004 09:21:11 AM
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:12:22 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:

Gospel wrote:

Dr. Kelly Hollowell
Posted: November 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Once again, evolutionists strike when the iron is hot in an attempt to
affirm the same bogus evolutionary dogma they have crammed down our
throats for 150 years. Once again, they've got it wrong.


There is far, FAR more evidence of evolution than there is for "intelligent
design." The confluence of evidence in diverse fields such as geology,
archaeology, plate tectonics, chemistry, botany, zoology, physics, even
meteorology give considerable support to evolution.

Show me one scrap of positive evidence that actually supports ID -- POSITIVE
evidence, not just the ignorant excuse of "It's so complicated and unlikely,
what else could it be?" -- and I will consider the argument worth merit.

There is none.
It can't be done.
They put the cart before the horse because you have to already know
enough about the designer to determine what it designed.
They're supposed to be deriving this designer not presuming it.
They've closed the door on the only other way, because that requires
something non-designed (ie natural) for comparison. But this
hypothetical designer is supposeed to have designed everything so
there is nothing natural.
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 08 Nov 2004 11:29:43 PM
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:47:50 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> said
in alt.atheism:

This "would-be missing link" between us and the original missing link

There's no such thing as a missing link. That's ancient thinking.
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other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
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side."
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User: "Bill"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 08 Nov 2004 06:25:17 PM
This find in no way refutes the theory of evolution. It merely points out an
evolutionary off shoot of Homo sapiens - an anomaly.
--
Bill
"Gospel" <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote in message
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Dr. Kelly Hollowell
Posted: November 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Once again, evolutionists strike when the iron is hot in an attempt to
affirm the same bogus evolutionary dogma they have crammed down our
throats for 150 years. Once again, they've got it wrong.

The recent discovery of a dwarf skeleton on the remote Indonesian island
of Flores has scientists anxious to create another sub-class of humans.
This one is called Homo floresiensis, which implies that they belong to
a different species of people than those living today, we Homo sapiens.

Researchers found the skull and part of the skeleton of an adult female,
plus bones and teeth from seven other individuals. These remains have
many features similar to Homo erectus, another so-called human species
claimed to be the ape-man of Africa and our subhuman ancestor. Now
researchers suggest the Flores bones are dwarfed descendants of Homo
erectus.

At least with this much I would be willing to agree. According to many
experts, "there is so little evidence in Homo erectus specimens outside
the range of human variation that they are likely just another type of
human resulting from genetic diversification."

But the showstopper in the recent discovery of Homo flores came when the
3-foot-tall adult female skeleton was dated as only 18,000 years old.
That means this hobbit-like dwarf of a human shatters the long-held
scientific belief that Homo sapiens systematically crowded out other
upright walking human cousins some 160,000 years ago and took over the
human population tens of thousands of years ago.

But wait, there's more.

This "would-be missing link" between us and the original missing link
also happens to have the brain size of a grapefruit, which is 2/3
smaller than ours. It is actually closer to the brain size of a modern
day monkey and other pre-human ancestors who purportedly became extinct
2 million years ago.

According to authorities, this is what makes the dwarf skeleton the most
extreme figure to be included in the extended human family. Chris
Stringer, the director of human origins studies at the Natural History
Museum in London, said this finding "rewrites our knowledge of human
history."

In other words, this finding suggests recent evolution was (just had to
be) more complex than previously thought. (Now that's an understatement.)

Think about the rather recent results from mapping the human genome.
They revealed the instructions for creating human life are packed into
roughly 35,000 genes, only 15,000 more genes than certain worms and
about twice as many as a fruit fly. This discovery alone dramatically
increased the complexity of function in DNA necessary to sustain
increasingly complex life forms and account for the spontaneous creation
and diversification of all species according to traditional notions of
evolution.

Now add the recent finding of Flores man. He contains a jumble of
features that appear borrowed from extinct primitive man. Yet he lived
crossing timelines with both Homo erectus and Homo sapiens. If previous
timelines are to be believed, this indicates dramatic changes in DNA and
creation of a new species rather recently – not millions of years ago.

It also suggests a lengthy coexistence of two different species of man
based on geologic evidence that a massive volcano caused the extinction
of Homo flores as recently as 12,000 years ago. None of these
possibilities are consistent with traditional evolutionary theory.

Confounding evolutionists further, the Flores man had to migrate to the
Indonesian island by boat. Yet building a boat to sail on the open sea
is traditionally thought to be beyond the intellectual abilities of Homo
erectus. Remember, Homo flores has a brain size smaller than even Homo
erectus.

Additionally, the site of the find gives evidence of controlled use of
fire and sophisticated stone tools. All together, these new findings
shatter another long-held belief by evolutionists: that you need a
particular brain size to do anything intelligent.

As for their small body size of the recently found species, it adds no
support to evolutionary theory. Nature is full of examples such as deer,
elephants and pigs living in marginal, isolated environments that
gradually dwarf when food and resources are limited. Dwarfism also
exists in the current human population worldwide.

According to the Guinness Book of World Records, some of the more famous
modern-day dwarfs include actress Tamara de Treaux, who at 2 feet 7
inches tall played ET in Steven Spielberg's blockbuster film. There is
also Filipino paratrooper and black-belt martial arts exponent Weng
Wang, who measures just 2 feet 9 inches tall. And the shortest married
couple was the Brazilian pair Douglas da Silva and Claudia Rocha. When
they married in 1998, they were 35 inches and 36 inches, respectively.

All contradictions of the traditional theory ignored, evolutionary dogma
continues to be shoveled with the dirt that uncovered Homo flores. Yet
there is good news. The bones of Homo flores found are apparently not
fossilized. That means scientists are hopeful they might yield DNA that
could shed the truth on evolutionary theory and the absurdity of human
descent from apes by proving Homo flores is genetically human.

Just don't look for the retraction of their present claims on the
evening news.

.
User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 08 Nov 2004 06:54:00 PM
In article
<N7Ujd.866884$Gx4.439238@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

This find in no way refutes the theory of evolution. It merely points out an
evolutionary off shoot of Homo sapiens - an anomaly.

You say that as if you think it'll make an atom of difference to this
moron.
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User: "Rune Børsjø"

Title: Re: Eroding evolution's believability 08 Nov 2004 07:23:29 PM
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:54:00 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:

This find in no way refutes the theory of evolution. It merely points out an
evolutionary off shoot of Homo sapiens - an anomaly.


You say that as if you think it'll make an atom of difference to this
moron.

Not only does it not *disprove* evolution. That an isolated group of
hominids turned into midgets far along *proves* evolution.
.




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