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"drs" |
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08 Aug 2007 11:11:55 AM |
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Ethical Society Without Walls |
Hello,
If you are interested in an online ethical community, I recommend the
Ethical Society Without Walls (www.eswow.org).
I'm also interested in what you think of it.
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
09 Aug 2007 10:31:38 PM |
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On Aug 8, 12:11?pm, drs <doctorspec...@netscape.net> wrote:
Hello,
If you are interested in an online ethical community, I recommend the
Ethical Society Without Walls (www.eswow.org).
I'm also interested in what you think of it.
Good effort at promoting ethics and virtue.
Was going tot take the ethics test but did not have time to register.
Maybe make it available to all without hassles.
Good luck
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Chas" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
08 Aug 2007 12:45:38 PM |
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On Aug 8, 9:11 am, drs <doctorspec...@netscape.net> wrote:
Hello,
If you are interested in an online ethical community, I recommend the
Ethical Society Without Walls (www.eswow.org).
I'm also interested in what you think of it.
I took a look at the site. My impression is that it is futile, a
waste of energy. People are turned away by the subject, and there is
a reason for that. Efforts to pay people to preach "goodness" to
others or to "educate": them to the subject does not work. In order
to solve the problem of unethical and immoral behavior, it is rather
necessary first to find out what it is and why we are having trouble
with it!
That is what this link does: http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
charles
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| User: "Richard Corfield" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
08 Aug 2007 01:47:55 PM |
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On 2007-08-08, Chas <charlesbrough1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I took a look at the site. My impression is that it is futile, a
waste of energy. People are turned away by the subject, and there is
a reason for that. Efforts to pay people to preach "goodness" to
others or to "educate": them to the subject does not work. In order
to solve the problem of unethical and immoral behavior, it is rather
necessary first to find out what it is and why we are having trouble
with it!
That is what this link does: http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
The problem with any such thing is getting buy-in, though if you give
people a sense of purpose I suspect you'd have more chance. I wonder if
this is the problem atheism or humanism as it stands has of taking hold.
The religions give people purpose.
There's an article on the BBC Site about research done on stress
handling compared with peoples "Sense of coherence". Delving deeper, a
big thing that drives that coherence is the thought that you are aiming
for something - a purpose as such.
I tried to work it out from the point of view of the Dharmic religions
where I am more comfortable. The ideal lifestyle in these religions
does not seem to have much purpose. You intend to live from day to
day acting best without attachment, always able to respond in the best
way. It sounds an intriguing ideal but if you do "drop everything" as the
Buddhists especially call for then you will be living without that sense
of purpose. I wonder if even these religions work because the purpose
for those people becomes the religion, enlightenment or whatever. A
beauty of that purpose is that it's not going to go away - unless you
do reach enlightenment of course in which case presumably it won't matter.
So back to the atheists. Richard Dawkins seems to have purpose - to
fix the problems he sees of religion. Maybe that drives him. Others
may drive for things like "Be the richest person" or "Invent a new
MegaCorp". Religion says that these aims are transient and when satisfied
then what? Or if not satisfied will you be disappointed? Some that have
made it rich are turning to helping others. Maybe that's the next purpose
for them.
For the atheist on the street - in a world where perhaps religion is no
longer something to fight against, or in a world where you don't have
purposes like wealth, success, pleasures, ..., what purposes are there
to drive atheism?
- Richard
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_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
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_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street,
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twilight Zone
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
08 Aug 2007 07:09:23 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:47:55 GMT, Richard Corfield
<Richard.Corfield@gmail.com> wrote:
For the atheist on the street - in a world where perhaps religion is no
longer something to fight against, or in a world where you don't have
purposes like wealth, success, pleasures, ..., what purposes are there
to drive atheism?
To have a life free of self-righteous poseurs.
WOA* #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
__________
*Wicked Old Atheist
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
08 Aug 2007 09:27:23 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:45:38 -0700, Chas <charlesbrough1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In order
to solve the problem of unethical and immoral behavior, it is rather
necessary first to find out what it is and why we are having trouble
with it!
Immoral behavior is caused by the fact that most people are amoral.
Most people also have no tails. We can cure amorality as easily as we
can cure taillessness. And by the same method.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
09 Aug 2007 10:34:46 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fpukb3lp1oh72csgahkased96obd12td4h@4ax.com...
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:45:38 -0700, Chas <charlesbrough1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In order
to solve the problem of unethical and immoral behavior, it is rather
necessary first to find out what it is and why we are having trouble
with it!
Immoral behavior is caused by the fact that most people are amoral.
Most people also have no tails. We can cure amorality as easily as we
can cure taillessness. And by the same method.
Retail therapy?
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
09 Aug 2007 04:10:44 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:27:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:45:38 -0700, Chas <charlesbrough1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In order
to solve the problem of unethical and immoral behavior, it is rather
necessary first to find out what it is and why we are having trouble
with it!
Immoral behavior is caused by the fact that most people are amoral.
Most people also have no tails. We can cure amorality as easily as we
can cure taillessness. And by the same method.
L.S.D.?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
09 Aug 2007 07:54:05 AM |
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:40:44 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:27:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:45:38 -0700, Chas <charlesbrough1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In order
to solve the problem of unethical and immoral behavior, it is rather
necessary first to find out what it is and why we are having trouble
with it!
Immoral behavior is caused by the fact that most people are amoral.
Most people also have no tails. We can cure amorality as easily as we
can cure taillessness. And by the same method.
L.S.D.?
I didn't think of that one - we have two methods. (I was thinking of
"none".)
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: Ethical Society Without Walls |
08 Aug 2007 11:34:30 AM |
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drs <doctorspecial@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1186589515.444004.130190@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
I'm also interested in what you think of it.
I think you're s spammer.
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"If he does that ***** again I'm going to tie his ***** hairs together
and kick him in the shin."
Terry Austin
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