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Religions > Atheism |
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"maff" |
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04 Oct 2003 01:44:18 PM |
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EU members in unholy row |
EU members in unholy row
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1055560,00.html
An argument over religion is threatening to hold up the drafting of
the European constitution, writes Ian Black
Friday October 3, 2003
Europe's leaders are having to tackle some tough issues as they get
down to the messy and complex business of drawing up a constitutional
treaty for an expanded union.
Poland
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
European Union
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
European constitution
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&cat=&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=dn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: EU members in unholy row |
13 Oct 2003 04:04:28 AM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0310041044.39e385c6@posting.google.com>...
EU members in unholy row
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1055560,00.html
An argument over religion is threatening to hold up the drafting of
the European constitution, writes Ian Black
Friday October 3, 2003
Europe's leaders are having to tackle some tough issues as they get
down to the messy and complex business of drawing up a constitutional
treaty for an expanded union.
Poland
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
European Union
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
European constitution
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&cat=&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=dn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/13/international/europe/13CHUR.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By FRANK BRUNI
In much of Europe the ties of Christianity no longer bind the way they
once did — and often seem not to bind at all.
Pope
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Pope&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Pope&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Pope&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Pope&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Italy
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Italy&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Italy&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Italy&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Italy&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Christianity
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Christianity&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Christianity&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Christianity&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Christianity&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Poland
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Poland&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Vatican
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Vatican&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Vatican&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Vatican&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Vatican&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: EU members in unholy row |
12 Nov 2003 05:13:12 AM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0310130104.39e8e343@posting.google.com>...
(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0310041044.39e385c6@posting.google.com>...
EU members in unholy row
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1055560,00.html
An argument over religion is threatening to hold up the drafting of
the European constitution, writes Ian Black
Friday October 3, 2003
Europe's leaders are having to tackle some tough issues as they get
down to the messy and complex business of drawing up a constitutional
treaty for an expanded union.
Poland
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
European Union
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+Union%22&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
European constitution
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&cat=&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=dn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=wg
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=+%22European+constitution%22&sa=N&tab=gd&cat=gwd%2FTop
Faith Fades Where It Once Burned Strong
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/13/international/europe/13CHUR.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By FRANK BRUNI
In much of Europe the ties of Christianity no longer bind the way they
once did ? and often seem not to bind at all.
Pope
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Pope&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Pope&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Pope&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Pope&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Italy
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Italy&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Italy&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Italy&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Italy&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Christianity
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Christianity&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Christianity&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Christianity&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Christianity&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Poland
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Poland&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Poland&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Vatican
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Vatican&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Vatican&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Vatican&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Vatican&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
Continent Wrings Its Hands Over Proclaiming Its Faith
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/12/international/europe/12LETT.html?ei=5062&en=6e85c88a073b90be&ex=1069218000&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=all&position=
By RICHARD BERNSTEIN
Added to the divisions bedeviling the European project are disputes
over whether God and Christianity ought to be inserted into the draft
of the European constitution.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: EU members in unholy row |
05 Oct 2003 03:16:29 AM |
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In article <18510aff.0310041044.39e385c6@posting.google.com>,
(maff) wrote:
EU members in unholy row
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1055560,00.html
An argument over religion is threatening to hold up the drafting of
the European constitution, writes Ian Black
The European consstitution is a secular document dealing with secular
matters. Why is it necessary for religion to be mentioned at all? Have
they forgotten all of the problems that religion has caused over the
centuries? "My religion is better than your religion! Let's kill each
other!"
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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| User: "Divin Marquis" |
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| Title: Re: EU members in unholy row |
05 Oct 2003 09:29:49 AM |
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Le Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:16:29 -0700, johac a écrit :
The European consstitution is a secular document dealing with secular
matters. Why is it necessary for religion to be mentioned at all? Have
they forgotten all of the problems that religion has caused over the
centuries? "My religion is better than your religion! Let's kill each
other!"
Well it's important to Poles, because they have been invaded by heretics,
such as Russians who are ... hmm christian, ok, but orthodox, not good
roman catholics so they're evil indeed, and Germany, who's christian too,
and half catholic so ... ok nevermind.
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