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03 Jan 2006 02:13:18 PM |
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EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
http://www.torontofreepress.com/2005/brussels122705.htm
European Report
EU to Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort
by Paul Belien, The Brussels Journal
Tuesday, December 27, 2005
Do abortionists wish each other a Merry Christmas?
Every year one in three pregnancies worldwide ends in an abortion. A
total of 40 million abortions are performed each year, which means that
since 1980 one billion children have not been allowed to be born.
Contemplating Baby Jesus in the crib one may wonder whether the fact
that there are 6.5 billion of us today instead of 7.5 billion is a
human achievement or not. Some think it is, some think it is not. But
why do those who consider universal legalised abortion to be a sign of
progress want to force those who regard abortion as a crime to be a
part of it?
A European Union advisory panel has issued a statement saying that
medical professionals are not allowed to refuse to participate in
abortions. According to the EU Network of Independent Experts on
Fundamental Rights doctors should be forced to perform abortions, even
if they have conscientious objections, because the right to abort a
child is an "international human right."
The Network, which consists of one expert per EU member state, assists
the European Commission and the European Parliament in developing EU
policy on fundamental rights. The Network wrote a 40-page opinion
stressing that the right to conscientious objection is not
"unlimited." The opinion was given in connection with a proposed
treaty between the Vatican and Slovakia. This treaty includes a
guarantee that Catholic hospitals in Slovakia will not be legally
obliged to "perform artificial abortions, artificial or assisted
fertilizations, experiments with or handling of human organs, human
embryos or human sex cells, euthanasia, cloning, sterilizations, [and]
acts connected with contraception."
The Network states that agreements which guarantee Catholic doctors and
nurses a right not to be involved in abortions violate EU law. Leftist
groups have complained that some new EU members - namely Lithuania,
Poland and Slovakia - are so overwhelmingly Catholic that far too few
doctors are willing to perform abortions. This makes it hard for women
who want an abortion to find a doctor who has no conscientious
objection. In such cases, the EU experts say, doctors should be forced
to abort:
"Indeed, the right to religious conscientious objection may conflict
with other rights, also recognized under international law. In such
circumstances, an adequate balance must be struck between these
conflicting requirements, which may not lead to one right being
sacrificed to another."
The experts declare that the right to religious conscientious objection
"should be regulated in order to ensure that, in circumstances where
abortion is legal, no woman shall be deprived from having effective
access to the medical service of abortion. In the view of the Network,
this implies that the State concerned must ensure, first, that an
effective remedy should be open to challenge any refusal to provide
abortion; second, that an obligation will be imposed on the health care
practitioner exercising his or her right to religious conscientious
objection to refer the woman seeking abortion to another qualified
health care practitioner who will agree to perform the abortion; third,
that another qualified health care practitioner will be indeed
available, including in rural areas or in areas which are
geographically remote from the centre."
Recently there was a row about a display in the building of the
European Parliament in Brussels of a poster comparing abortion with the
holocaust. The poster was part of an exhibition organised by Members of
the European Parliament belonging to the League of Polish Families.
When leftist MEPs tried to rip the posters down a tussle broke out
between MEPs. A group of 500 self-proclaimed "women's rights and
human rights leaders" subsequently wrote a letter to Josep
Borrell-Fontelles, the president of the Parliament, to express their
"outrage".
Apart from the right of a woman to an abortion, which according to the
EU's "experts on fundamental rights" overrules the right of
medical professionals to conscientious objections, some argue that
there is also the right of the unborn child to live. People who think
so are looked upon as "rightwing loonies" by self-styled
sophisticated secularists. The latter claim that the unborn have no
rights at all. The EU experts clearly belong to this group. This
explains why, in their search for an "adequate balance to be struck
between conflicting requirements, which may not lead to one right being
sacrificed to another," they consider the rights of women and
doctors, but do not mention the rights of unborn children. On Christmas
Eve this may deserve some contemplation.
Do EU experts wish each other a Merry Christmas?
Paul Belien is the editor of the Flemish quarterly Secessie and the
editor-in-chief of The Brussels Journal. He is a columnist at the
Flemish weekly Pallieterke and at the Flemish monthly Doorbraak and a
regular contributor to the Flemish conservative monthly Nucleus, which
he co-founded in 1990.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Jan 2006 01:40:16 PM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"BOB" <sd@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns97429E38EA6A0SD@70.169.32.36...
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in
If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste
of her own medicine.
So much for your "pro-life" position, right BUM?
I want everyone to live.
Which is why you spend all your time screeching that women should obey
and suffer and spend none of your time saving people's lives.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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05 Jan 2006 06:04:30 PM |
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BOB wrote:
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate
and increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste
of her own medicine.
BAM
So much for your "pro-life" position, right BUM?
Hm.
All making [heroin] illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
[people] their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate
and increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a [person] dies procuring an [heroin hit], she has merely received
a taste of her own medicine.
BAM
So much for your "pro-life" position, right BUM?
Let's get those principles aligned.
TCross
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| User: "BOB" |
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06 Jan 2006 11:11:58 AM |
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"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1136505870.239606.251490@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
BOB wrote:
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and
cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate
and increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a
taste
of her own medicine.
BAM
So much for your "pro-life" position, right BUM?
Hm.
All making [heroin] illegal will do is drive it underground, and
cost
[people] their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty
rate
and increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a [person] dies procuring an [heroin hit], she has merely
received
a taste of her own medicine.
BAM
So much for your "pro-life" position, right BUM?
Let's get those principles aligned.
TCross
Obviously, BUM has no "principles".
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
05 Jan 2006 10:36:48 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136480855.552773.254870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
No, "woman", since that is whom you are trying to force to become a
slave. You do not want to give her any choice. You want to force
her
to continue her unwanted pregnancy to her detriment.
If that's slavery then so be it.
And thus, it MUST be opposed. Slavery is a blight on mankind, and an
example of the unnecessary degradation of people. (not that I know of
any necessary degradation of people) Not to mention it being illegal
in the USA, Canada, England, and most other civilized countries. For
some reason, it does not surprise me that you would support slavery.
You have not struck me as someone that cares about others.
So a woman has sex freely, gets pregnant and is expected to act
responsibly - that's slavery??
No. However, acting responsibly can also mean getting an abortion.
Forcing her to continue an unwanted pregnancy by denying her any other
options is slavery.
YOU do not get to define what is acting responsibly for her.
Especially when you refuse to give her any options for the actions she
can take, and you refuse to help her when you have forced her to
suffer.
You're an *****.
No, you are the *****. You are the one that is trying to get women
to suffer unnecessarily.
And who would you rather be. A woman who
had sex, got pregnant and was legally required to have the baby, or
the
baby
who gets killed before birth?
Neither of the above. The woman that gets to decide for herself
without coercion whether or not to continue or terminate her pregnancy.
And what does the baby get to decide?
What baby? There is no baby until after birth. And since the
embryo/fetus is using the woman's body without her express and ongoing
consent, it has no say in any case. The woman has the right to control
who and what has use of her body, and in what manner her body can be
used.
The one who's going to be murdered?
There is no baby until after birth. And abortion is not murder. It is
a valuable medical remedy to relieve women of unwanted pregnancies.
It's like sayng I love chocolate cake but I have no
intentions of getting fat.
Your point? You can throw up afterwards, or you can exercise, or you
can eat in moderation, or you can take other precautions. However,
there is nothing that prevents you from eating chocolate cake.
Nope. But one who eats and pukes is disgusting. If voluntary puking were
forbidden though, you'd call it "forced fat".
Perhaps. There is certainly no way that you could prevent people from
regurgitating their meals.
However, your bad analogy still does not prevent the woman from getting
an abortion from an unwanted pregnancy, nor does it obligate anyone to
accept your views as valid, nor allow you to violate others' freedom of
religion by you forcing them to live according to your opinions and
beliefs.
Let's pray for a war.
Let's not. It is unnecessary and would cost lives needlessly.
I would love to put a sword though an abortionist.
And die in the attempt, I have no doubt. Unlike you, OB/GYN doctors
are caring and compassionate individuals, as well as intelligent and
well educated.
All you have done is show what a hateful and intolerant person that you
are.
(but I'll only do it if the grounds for a just war are established.)
You are more likely to get shot for trying to murder an innocent man.
Like John Brown?
Who? You don't really expect me to have any idea who you are talking
about with that name? It is way, way too common of a name. You can
probably find at least a hundred of them in any metropolitan area.
And you seem to count as heros those that do try to harm and murder
innocent people. Your heros no doubt include murderers like Michaal
Griffin (murdered Dr. Gunn), Paul Hill, and John Salvi (killed a
receptionist at a Planned Parenthood clinic and wounded others, and
fired on another clinic), and other arsonists, vandals, and muggers
like them.
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste of
her own medicine.
No, she did not. She was not harming anyone. She was getting medical
treatment for an unwanted medical condition. Or, if you insist on
erroneously calling an embryo or fetus a person, then she was defending
herself from a bodily assault, and against someone that was trying to
use her body against her will and without her continuing consent.
As I have said before, you have absolutely no respect for others,
especially women. All you are interested in is making them suffer
unnecessarily and for no reason except that they stand up for
themselves and refuse to listen to your desire to oppress them.
Mark Sebree
BAM
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
06 Jan 2006 02:04:39 AM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136522208.671560.275290@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136480855.552773.254870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
No, "woman", since that is whom you are trying to force to become
a
slave. You do not want to give her any choice. You want to
force
her
to continue her unwanted pregnancy to her detriment.
If that's slavery then so be it.
And thus, it MUST be opposed. Slavery is a blight on mankind, and
an
example of the unnecessary degradation of people. (not that I know
of
any necessary degradation of people) Not to mention it being
illegal
in the USA, Canada, England, and most other civilized countries.
For
some reason, it does not surprise me that you would support slavery.
You have not struck me as someone that cares about others.
So a woman has sex freely, gets pregnant and is expected to act
responsibly - that's slavery??
No. However, acting responsibly can also mean getting an abortion.
Forcing her to continue an unwanted pregnancy by denying her any other
options is slavery.
YOU do not get to define what is acting responsibly for her.
Especially when you refuse to give her any options for the actions she
can take, and you refuse to help her when you have forced her to
suffer.
You're an *****.
No, you are the *****. You are the one that is trying to get women
to suffer unnecessarily.
And who would you rather be. A woman who
had sex, got pregnant and was legally required to have the baby, or
the
baby
who gets killed before birth?
Neither of the above. The woman that gets to decide for herself
without coercion whether or not to continue or terminate her
pregnancy.
And what does the baby get to decide?
What baby? There is no baby until after birth. And since the
embryo/fetus is using the woman's body without her express and ongoing
consent, it has no say in any case. The woman has the right to control
who and what has use of her body, and in what manner her body can be
used.
The one who's going to be murdered?
There is no baby until after birth. And abortion is not murder. It is
a valuable medical remedy to relieve women of unwanted pregnancies.
It's like sayng I love chocolate cake but I have no
intentions of getting fat.
Your point? You can throw up afterwards, or you can exercise, or
you
can eat in moderation, or you can take other precautions. However,
there is nothing that prevents you from eating chocolate cake.
Nope. But one who eats and pukes is disgusting. If voluntary puking
were
forbidden though, you'd call it "forced fat".
Perhaps. There is certainly no way that you could prevent people from
regurgitating their meals.
However, your bad analogy still does not prevent the woman from
getting
an abortion from an unwanted pregnancy, nor does it obligate anyone
to
accept your views as valid, nor allow you to violate others' freedom
of
religion by you forcing them to live according to your opinions and
beliefs.
Let's pray for a war.
Let's not. It is unnecessary and would cost lives needlessly.
I would love to put a sword though an abortionist.
And die in the attempt, I have no doubt. Unlike you, OB/GYN doctors
are caring and compassionate individuals, as well as intelligent and
well educated.
All you have done is show what a hateful and intolerant person that you
are.
(but I'll only do it if the grounds for a just war are established.)
You are more likely to get shot for trying to murder an innocent man.
Like John Brown?
Who? You don't really expect me to have any idea who you are talking
about with that name? It is way, way too common of a name. You can
probably find at least a hundred of them in any metropolitan area.
And you seem to count as heros those that do try to harm and murder
innocent people. Your heros no doubt include murderers like Michaal
Griffin (murdered Dr. Gunn), Paul Hill, and John Salvi (killed a
receptionist at a Planned Parenthood clinic and wounded others, and
fired on another clinic), and other arsonists, vandals, and muggers
like them.
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste of
her own medicine.
No, she did not. She was not harming anyone. She was getting medical
treatment for an unwanted medical condition.
You're an *****.
BAM
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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06 Jan 2006 06:42:29 AM |
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:04:39 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>
You're an *****.
Profession of the CATHOLIC FAITH, Re-Written, Edited and Interpreted
by Bamela:
"I believe in five gods, but I can't count, so I'll call it one, and
everyone else is an *****. I was made, not begotten, but I'm too
immature to think about sex without giggling. And everyone else is an
*****. For me, and me alone, and my salvation, my five gods came
down from Heaven to tell everyone else they're an *****. I suffered,
I continue to suffer, and I make all others who know me suffer,
because everyone else is an *****.
"For my own sake, I let myself be crucified with every post I make
because everyone else is an *****. But I shall rise again, in
fulfillment of the scriptures. And everyone else is an *****.
"Someday, after I die, I hope to ascend into Heaven and be seated at
the right hand of one of my gods, because everyone else is an *****.
"With my five gods, I am to be worshipped and glorified. And everyone
else is an *****. I have spoken through the prophets, but they're
assholes too. I believe in my version of a holy, catholic, and
apostolic church with seating for one, because everyone else is an
*****. I look for the resurrection of the dead non-assholes, and the
life of the *****-free world for just me to come. And everyone else
is an *****. Amen. And everyone else is an *****."
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| User: "bam" |
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06 Jan 2006 11:16:26 AM |
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"Bonnie *****" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
news:abosr11lgaqgcob9d6n7e6ptfljk3d9jv1@fe04.buzzardnews.com...
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:04:39 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>
You're an *****.
Profession of the CATHOLIC FAITH, Re-Written, Edited and Interpreted
by Bamela:
"I believe in five gods, but I can't count, so I'll call it one, and
everyone else is an *****. I was made, not begotten, but I'm too
immature to think about sex without giggling. And everyone else is an
*****. For me, and me alone, and my salvation, my five gods came
down from Heaven to tell everyone else they're an *****. I suffered,
I continue to suffer, and I make all others who know me suffer,
because everyone else is an *****.
"For my own sake, I let myself be crucified with every post I make
because everyone else is an *****. But I shall rise again, in
fulfillment of the scriptures. And everyone else is an *****.
"Someday, after I die, I hope to ascend into Heaven and be seated at
the right hand of one of my gods, because everyone else is an *****.
"With my five gods, I am to be worshipped and glorified. And everyone
else is an *****. I have spoken through the prophets, but they're
assholes too. I believe in my version of a holy, catholic, and
apostolic church with seating for one, because everyone else is an
*****. I look for the resurrection of the dead non-assholes, and the
life of the *****-free world for just me to come. And everyone else
is an *****. Amen. And everyone else is an *****."
That's a lot of ridiculous work isn't it Bonnie? Oops, I forgot - you're
queer.
BAM
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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06 Jan 2006 10:34:30 PM |
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:16:26 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>
"Bonnie *****" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
news:abosr11lgaqgcob9d6n7e6ptfljk3d9jv1@fe04.buzzardnews.com...
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:04:39 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>
You're an *****.
Profession of the CATHOLIC FAITH, Re-Written, Edited and Interpreted
by Bamela:
"I believe in five gods, but I can't count, so I'll call it one, and
everyone else is an *****. I was made, not begotten, but I'm too
immature to think about sex without giggling. And everyone else is an
*****. For me, and me alone, and my salvation, my five gods came
down from Heaven to tell everyone else they're an *****. I suffered,
I continue to suffer, and I make all others who know me suffer,
because everyone else is an *****.
"For my own sake, I let myself be crucified with every post I make
because everyone else is an *****. But I shall rise again, in
fulfillment of the scriptures. And everyone else is an *****.
"Someday, after I die, I hope to ascend into Heaven and be seated at
the right hand of one of my gods, because everyone else is an *****.
"With my five gods, I am to be worshipped and glorified. And everyone
else is an *****. I have spoken through the prophets, but they're
assholes too. I believe in my version of a holy, catholic, and
apostolic church with seating for one, because everyone else is an
*****. I look for the resurrection of the dead non-assholes, and the
life of the *****-free world for just me to come. And everyone else
is an *****. Amen. And everyone else is an *****."
That's a lot of ridiculous work isn't it Bonnie?
You misspelled "satire and parody." Or "painfully accurate." My
money's on the latter.
Oops, I forgot - you're
queer.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual
tendencies is not negligible....They must be accepted with respect,
compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in
their regard should be avoided.
Enjoy Hell, christstain.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
06 Jan 2006 12:09:51 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136522208.671560.275290@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136480855.552773.254870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
No, "woman", since that is whom you are trying to force to become
a
slave. You do not want to give her any choice. You want to
force
her
to continue her unwanted pregnancy to her detriment.
If that's slavery then so be it.
And thus, it MUST be opposed. Slavery is a blight on mankind, and
an
example of the unnecessary degradation of people. (not that I know
of
any necessary degradation of people) Not to mention it being
illegal
in the USA, Canada, England, and most other civilized countries.
For
some reason, it does not surprise me that you would support slavery.
You have not struck me as someone that cares about others.
So a woman has sex freely, gets pregnant and is expected to act
responsibly - that's slavery??
No. However, acting responsibly can also mean getting an abortion.
Forcing her to continue an unwanted pregnancy by denying her any other
options is slavery.
YOU do not get to define what is acting responsibly for her.
Especially when you refuse to give her any options for the actions she
can take, and you refuse to help her when you have forced her to
suffer.
You're an *****.
No, you are the *****. You are the one that is trying to get women
to suffer unnecessarily.
And who would you rather be. A woman who
had sex, got pregnant and was legally required to have the baby, or
the
baby
who gets killed before birth?
Neither of the above. The woman that gets to decide for herself
without coercion whether or not to continue or terminate her
pregnancy.
And what does the baby get to decide?
What baby? There is no baby until after birth. And since the
embryo/fetus is using the woman's body without her express and ongoing
consent, it has no say in any case. The woman has the right to control
who and what has use of her body, and in what manner her body can be
used.
The one who's going to be murdered?
There is no baby until after birth. And abortion is not murder. It is
a valuable medical remedy to relieve women of unwanted pregnancies.
It's like sayng I love chocolate cake but I have no
intentions of getting fat.
Your point? You can throw up afterwards, or you can exercise, or
you
can eat in moderation, or you can take other precautions. However,
there is nothing that prevents you from eating chocolate cake.
Nope. But one who eats and pukes is disgusting. If voluntary puking
were
forbidden though, you'd call it "forced fat".
Perhaps. There is certainly no way that you could prevent people from
regurgitating their meals.
However, your bad analogy still does not prevent the woman from
getting
an abortion from an unwanted pregnancy, nor does it obligate anyone
to
accept your views as valid, nor allow you to violate others' freedom
of
religion by you forcing them to live according to your opinions and
beliefs.
Let's pray for a war.
Let's not. It is unnecessary and would cost lives needlessly.
I would love to put a sword though an abortionist.
And die in the attempt, I have no doubt. Unlike you, OB/GYN doctors
are caring and compassionate individuals, as well as intelligent and
well educated.
All you have done is show what a hateful and intolerant person that you
are.
(but I'll only do it if the grounds for a just war are established.)
You are more likely to get shot for trying to murder an innocent man.
Like John Brown?
Who? You don't really expect me to have any idea who you are talking
about with that name? It is way, way too common of a name. You can
probably find at least a hundred of them in any metropolitan area.
And you seem to count as heros those that do try to harm and murder
innocent people. Your heros no doubt include murderers like Michaal
Griffin (murdered Dr. Gunn), Paul Hill, and John Salvi (killed a
receptionist at a Planned Parenthood clinic and wounded others, and
fired on another clinic), and other arsonists, vandals, and muggers
like them.
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste of
her own medicine.
No, she did not. She was not harming anyone. She was getting medical
treatment for an unwanted medical condition.
You're an *****.
BAM
You would have a hard time proving that accusation. I am not the one
that supports killing innocent people and making women suffer
needlessly, you are.
Mark Sebree
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06 Jan 2006 11:33:27 PM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
No, "woman", since that is whom you are trying to force to
become
a
slave. You do not want to give her any choice. You want to
force
her
to continue her unwanted pregnancy to her detriment.
If that's slavery then so be it.
And thus, it MUST be opposed. Slavery is a blight on mankind,
and
an
example of the unnecessary degradation of people. (not that I
know
of
any necessary degradation of people) Not to mention it being
illegal
in the USA, Canada, England, and most other civilized countries.
For
some reason, it does not surprise me that you would support
slavery.
You have not struck me as someone that cares about others.
So a woman has sex freely, gets pregnant and is expected to act
responsibly - that's slavery??
No. However, acting responsibly can also mean getting an abortion.
Forcing her to continue an unwanted pregnancy by denying her any
other
options is slavery.
YOU do not get to define what is acting responsibly for her.
Especially when you refuse to give her any options for the actions
she
can take, and you refuse to help her when you have forced her to
suffer.
You're an *****.
No, you are the *****. You are the one that is trying to get
women
to suffer unnecessarily.
And who would you rather be. A woman who
had sex, got pregnant and was legally required to have the baby,
or
the
baby
who gets killed before birth?
Neither of the above. The woman that gets to decide for herself
without coercion whether or not to continue or terminate her
pregnancy.
And what does the baby get to decide?
What baby? There is no baby until after birth. And since the
embryo/fetus is using the woman's body without her express and
ongoing
consent, it has no say in any case. The woman has the right to
control
who and what has use of her body, and in what manner her body can be
used.
The one who's going to be murdered?
There is no baby until after birth. And abortion is not murder. It
is
a valuable medical remedy to relieve women of unwanted pregnancies.
It's like sayng I love chocolate cake but I have no
intentions of getting fat.
Your point? You can throw up afterwards, or you can exercise, or
you
can eat in moderation, or you can take other precautions.
However,
there is nothing that prevents you from eating chocolate cake.
Nope. But one who eats and pukes is disgusting. If voluntary puking
were
forbidden though, you'd call it "forced fat".
Perhaps. There is certainly no way that you could prevent people
from
regurgitating their meals.
However, your bad analogy still does not prevent the woman from
getting
an abortion from an unwanted pregnancy, nor does it obligate
anyone
to
accept your views as valid, nor allow you to violate others'
freedom
of
religion by you forcing them to live according to your opinions
and
beliefs.
Let's pray for a war.
Let's not. It is unnecessary and would cost lives needlessly.
I would love to put a sword though an abortionist.
And die in the attempt, I have no doubt. Unlike you, OB/GYN doctors
are caring and compassionate individuals, as well as intelligent and
well educated.
All you have done is show what a hateful and intolerant person that
you
are.
(but I'll only do it if the grounds for a just war are
established.)
You are more likely to get shot for trying to murder an innocent
man.
Like John Brown?
Who? You don't really expect me to have any idea who you are talking
about with that name? It is way, way too common of a name. You can
probably find at least a hundred of them in any metropolitan area.
And you seem to count as heros those that do try to harm and murder
innocent people. Your heros no doubt include murderers like Michaal
Griffin (murdered Dr. Gunn), Paul Hill, and John Salvi (killed a
receptionist at a Planned Parenthood clinic and wounded others, and
fired on another clinic), and other arsonists, vandals, and muggers
like them.
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and
cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate
and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste
of
her own medicine.
No, she did not. She was not harming anyone. She was getting medical
treatment for an unwanted medical condition.
You're an *****.
BAM
You would have a hard time proving that accusation. I am not the one
that supports killing innocent people
Playing with words again *****?
and making women suffer
needlessly, you are.
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
BAM
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
07 Jan 2006 01:05:33 AM |
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bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136570991.156892.234810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136522208.671560.275290@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1136480855.552773.254870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
No, "woman", since that is whom you are trying to force to
become
a
slave. You do not want to give her any choice. You want to
force
her
to continue her unwanted pregnancy to her detriment.
If that's slavery then so be it.
And thus, it MUST be opposed. Slavery is a blight on mankind,
and
an
example of the unnecessary degradation of people. (not that I
know
of
any necessary degradation of people) Not to mention it being
illegal
in the USA, Canada, England, and most other civilized countries.
For
some reason, it does not surprise me that you would support
slavery.
You have not struck me as someone that cares about others.
So a woman has sex freely, gets pregnant and is expected to act
responsibly - that's slavery??
No. However, acting responsibly can also mean getting an abortion.
Forcing her to continue an unwanted pregnancy by denying her any
other
options is slavery.
YOU do not get to define what is acting responsibly for her.
Especially when you refuse to give her any options for the actions
she
can take, and you refuse to help her when you have forced her to
suffer.
You're an *****.
No, you are the *****. You are the one that is trying to get
women
to suffer unnecessarily.
And who would you rather be. A woman who
had sex, got pregnant and was legally required to have the baby,
or
the
baby
who gets killed before birth?
Neither of the above. The woman that gets to decide for herself
without coercion whether or not to continue or terminate her
pregnancy.
And what does the baby get to decide?
What baby? There is no baby until after birth. And since the
embryo/fetus is using the woman's body without her express and
ongoing
consent, it has no say in any case. The woman has the right to
control
who and what has use of her body, and in what manner her body can be
used.
The one who's going to be murdered?
There is no baby until after birth. And abortion is not murder. It
is
a valuable medical remedy to relieve women of unwanted pregnancies.
It's like sayng I love chocolate cake but I have no
intentions of getting fat.
Your point? You can throw up afterwards, or you can exercise, or
you
can eat in moderation, or you can take other precautions.
However,
there is nothing that prevents you from eating chocolate cake.
Nope. But one who eats and pukes is disgusting. If voluntary puking
were
forbidden though, you'd call it "forced fat".
Perhaps. There is certainly no way that you could prevent people
from
regurgitating their meals.
However, your bad analogy still does not prevent the woman from
getting
an abortion from an unwanted pregnancy, nor does it obligate
anyone
to
accept your views as valid, nor allow you to violate others'
freedom
of
religion by you forcing them to live according to your opinions
and
beliefs.
Let's pray for a war.
Let's not. It is unnecessary and would cost lives needlessly.
I would love to put a sword though an abortionist.
And die in the attempt, I have no doubt. Unlike you, OB/GYN doctors
are caring and compassionate individuals, as well as intelligent and
well educated.
All you have done is show what a hateful and intolerant person that
you
are.
(but I'll only do it if the grounds for a just war are
established.)
You are more likely to get shot for trying to murder an innocent
man.
Like John Brown?
Who? You don't really expect me to have any idea who you are talking
about with that name? It is way, way too common of a name. You can
probably find at least a hundred of them in any metropolitan area.
And you seem to count as heros those that do try to harm and murder
innocent people. Your heros no doubt include murderers like Michaal
Griffin (murdered Dr. Gunn), Paul Hill, and John Salvi (killed a
receptionist at a Planned Parenthood clinic and wounded others, and
fired on another clinic), and other arsonists, vandals, and muggers
like them.
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and
cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate
and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste
of
her own medicine.
No, she did not. She was not harming anyone. She was getting medical
treatment for an unwanted medical condition.
You're an *****.
BAM
You would have a hard time proving that accusation. I am not the one
that supports killing innocent people
Playing with words again *****?
Nope. Just telling the blunt truth. You have said that you support
killing innocent people that have done nothing illegal or wrong, but
rather have dedicated their lives to helping others.
and making women suffer
needlessly, you are.
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
BAM
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
You have already shown that you have no problem with making women
suffer needlessly, and you continue to say that is a goal of yours.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
07 Jan 2006 10:50:55 AM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
Nope. Just telling the blunt truth. You have said that you support
killing innocent people that have done nothing illegal or wrong, but
rather have dedicated their lives to helping others.
Just for laughs - where did I say I supported killing innocent people? Or is
that some conclusion that was filtered through that ***** stew you call a
brain?
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw
screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
BAM
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud - I'm just
trying to figure out what's going on in the heart of a pro-abortion woman.
You have already shown that you have no problem with making women
suffer needlessly, and you continue to say that is a goal of yours.
What a judge!
BAM
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
07 Jan 2006 05:56:03 PM |
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In article <ifSvf.7541$qw4.698@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud - I'm just
trying to figure out what's going on in the heart of a pro-abortion woman.
why? do you know a woman who wants to force every pregnant woman to
abort?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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07 Jan 2006 01:17:43 PM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw
screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud -
We can just hear you screaming:
"Die *****! Suffer *****! Sex is a sin and you shall SUFFER!"
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
07 Jan 2006 03:26:29 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw
screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud -
We can just hear you screaming:
"Die *****! Suffer *****! Sex is a sin and you shall SUFFER!"
*****. Married women get abortions too - and none of those accusations
would work, and my feelings are the same toward all women. So that dog won't
hunt.
Nope. I say, "Have the baby - it's yours; don't kill it."
BAM
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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07 Jan 2006 07:17:42 PM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw
screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud -
We can just hear you screaming:
"Die *****! Suffer *****! Sex is a sin and you shall SUFFER!"
*****.
Sauce for the goose ...
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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07 Jan 2006 12:23:17 PM |
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bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw
screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud -
We can just here you screaming:
"Die *****! Suffer *****! Sex is a sin and you shall SUFFER!"
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
08 Jan 2006 05:09:38 PM |
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bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
Nope. Just telling the blunt truth. You have said that you support
killing innocent people that have done nothing illegal or wrong, but
rather have dedicated their lives to helping others.
Just for laughs - where did I say I supported killing innocent people? Or is
that some conclusion that was filtered through that ***** stew you call a
brain?
No. Your own words. And at least I have a brain. You have not shown
any sign that you have one, nor any compassion for that matter.
"I would love to put a sword though an abortionist."
You are saying right there, in your own words, that you support killing
innocent people.
And another quote by you:
"If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste
of her own medicine."
Again, you supporting and desiring the deaths of innocent people, in
this case the woman getting treated for an unwanted medical condition.
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw
screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
BAM
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud - I'm just
trying to figure out what's going on in the heart of a pro-abortion woman.
Well, I seriously doubt that you will ever have any idea. If you try
reading some actual, reputable sources and unbiased accounts (i.e. not
from anti-choice sources), perhaps you will realize what was going on.
She is in an untenable position. She is pregnant, and she does not
wish to be. Continuing the pregnancy will ruin her life. In all
likelihood, she does not take this decision lightly. She finds that
the only choice that she has is to get an abortion.
What's more, I know of nobody that is actually "pro-abortion". What we
are is pro-choice, since we support the pregnant woman having as many
viable choices as possible when making a decision regarding her
pregnancy, as well as the means to make that decision without
interference from others. And currently, there are only two choices,
to continue the pregnancy or get an abortion. All the other "options"
that anti-choice advocates like to bring up either require a time
machine or that she wait until the pregnancy is completed, which makes
neither set any help to the woman that is currently pregnant and does
not want to be.
Basically, we want to keep people like you from forcing the woman to do
what you want her to do, rather than letting her do what she feels is
best for her. Her life, her body, and therefore her choice. It is
that simple.
You have already shown that you have no problem with making women
suffer needlessly, and you continue to say that is a goal of yours.
What a judge!
BAM
You are the one that is advocating murder and suffering of others. You
are the one that is spouting all the hateful statements and calling
people names. And you are showing that you have no trouble with
forcing women to suffer needlessly and for no reason. If you think
that I am judging you harshly, then you have only yourself to blame
because I am judging you by your words, your stated and implied goals,
and your attitude towards me and others.
What's more, you have also shown that you judge others very readily.
You have called me, June Gill, and others names like "*****" and
"*****", usually because you seemingly cannot address what was said
in an intelligent manner.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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08 Jan 2006 01:16:12 AM |
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bam wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
Nope. Just telling the blunt truth. You have said that you support
killing innocent people that have done nothing illegal or wrong, but
rather have dedicated their lives to helping others.
Just for laughs - where did I say I supported killing innocent people? Or is
that some conclusion that was filtered through that ***** stew you call a
brain?
No. Your own words. And at least I have a brain. You have not shown
any sign that you have one, nor any compassion for that matter.
"I would love to put a sword though an abortionist."
You are saying right there, in your own words, that you support killing
innocent people.
And another quote by you:
"If a woman dies procuring an abortion, she has merely received a taste
of her own medicine."
Again, you supporting and desiring the deaths of innocent people, in
this case the woman getting treated for an unwanted medical condition.
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw
screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
BAM
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud - I'm just
trying to figure out what's going on in the heart of a pro-abortion woman.
Well, I seriously doubt that you will ever have any idea. If you try
reading some actual, reputable sources and unbiased accounts (i.e. not
from anti-choice sources), perhaps you will realize what was going on.
She is in an untenable position. She is pregnant, and she does not
wish to be. Continuing the pregnancy will ruin her life. In all
likelihood, she does not take this decision lightly. She finds that
the only choice that she has is to get an abortion.
What's more, I know of nobody that is actually "pro-abortion". What we
are is pro-choice, since we support the pregnant woman having as many
viable choices as possible when making a decision regarding her
pregnancy, as well as the means to make that decision without
interference from others. And currently, there are only two choices,
to continue the pregnancy or get an abortion. All the other "options"
that anti-choice advocates like to bring up either require a time
machine or that she wait until the pregnancy is completed, which makes
neither set any help to the woman that is currently pregnant and does
not want to be.
Basically, we want to keep people like you from forcing the woman to do
what you want her to do, rather than letting her do what she feels is
best for her. Her life, her body, and therefore her choice. It is
that simple.
You have already shown that you have no problem with making women
suffer needlessly, and you continue to say that is a goal of yours.
What a judge!
BAM
You are the one that is advocating murder and suffering of others. You
are the one that is spouting all the hateful statements and calling
people names. And you are showing that you have no trouble with
forcing women to suffer needlessly and for no reason. If you think
that I am judging you harshly, then you have only yourself to blame
because I am judging you by your words, your stated and implied goals,
and your attitude towards me and others.
What's more, you have also shown that you judge others very readily.
You have called me, June Gill, and others names like "*****" and
"*****", usually because you seemingly cannot address what was said
in an intelligent manner.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: EU To Catholic Doctors: Thou Shalt Abort |
07 Jan 2006 04:12:50 PM |
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in article ifSvf.7541$qw4.698@bignews5.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 1/7/06 11:50 AM:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote
Nope. Just telling the blunt truth. You have said that you support
killing innocent people that have done nothing illegal or wrong, but
rather have dedicated their lives to helping others.
Just for laughs - where did I say I supported killing innocent people? Or is
that some conclusion that was filtered through that ***** stew you call a
brain?
Yep. Poor poor woman. I can hear her screaming, "I wanna screw screw
screw
and kill kill kill and you won't let me. Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
BAM
Well, your imagination has always seemed to run wild, and your
fantasies have never seemed to have any bearing on reality. Those
words exists no place except in your head, and spring from your
disrespect of others and your inferior attitude towards women.
People say things in their heart that they wouldn't say out loud - I'm just
trying to figure out what's going on in the heart of a pro-abortion woman.
So I can get into the pants of one and I won't be stuck with the result.
BAM
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05 Jan 2006 11:01:44 PM |
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Mark Sebree wrote:
....
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
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Why stop at just making abortions legal?
Let's use your principal to its fullest potential.
Children are a great financial and emotional hardship on the parents
the entire time that they live with their parents.
So parents should have the right to have their children "put to sleep"
/ euthanized any time the children are too much of a burden on the
parents, right up until the children finally move out of the house and
go out on their own at age 18-20.
And if you make the lynching of minorities illegal it is merely going
to drive lynching underground where crude methods will cause
unnecessary suffering for the minorities.
So let's legalize lynching and put Federal standards on the methods
used so as to minimize the suffering of those people who are lynched.
You could require the same methods used by the rabbis to minimize the
suffering of animals which are being slaughtered.
And how about all of those people who suffer from birth defects?
What kind of quality of life is that?
We should prevent such suffering.
Every new-born baby should be given a 50-point check-up and if any
defects are discovered the baby should be "put to sleep" / euthanized
immediately to prevent the baby from suffering in the future.
And an IQ test should be administered when every child is 5 years old
so that any child scoring less than 100 can be "put to sleep" /
euthanized immediately to prevent future suffering from low
intelligence which leads to low income which leads to low quality of
life which leads to suffering.
And the ghettoes in New York and Los Angelos?
Those people are suffering.
Protecting their lives through some misguided "pro-life" attitude will
merely prolong their suffering, so the merciful thing to do would be to
invite them to a kool-aid party where their suffering will be ended in
less than a minute.
And nursing homes?
People who are sick and disabled and lonely and depressed are suffering
on a daliy basis.
So have a kool-aid party in every nursing home in America to mercifully
end their suffering in less than a minute.
Some day every street in America will have a Mark Sebree sign fashioned
after the famous MacDonalds Restaurant signs proudly proclaiming the
accomplishment:
"One Billion Euthanized"
Finally:
Not only will the smaller population be less of a strain on the
precious environment, but the grass will actually grow greener over the
nitrogen-rich bodies of the euthenized so that their deaths will not
have been in vain.
- moshe
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06 Jan 2006 01:41:34 PM |
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<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mark Sebree wrote:
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All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
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Why stop at just making abortions legal?
Let's use your principal to its fullest potential.
Let's see pro-liar stupidity at work.
Children are a great financial and emotional hardship on the parents
the entire time that they live with their parents.
So parents should have the right to have their children "put to sleep"
Adoption is legal, moron.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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06 Jan 2006 01:43:19 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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<fact-checker@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mark Sebree wrote:
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All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
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Why stop at just making abortions legal?
Let's use your principal to its fullest potential.
Let's see pro-liar stupidity at work.
Children are a great financial and emotional hardship on the parents
the entire time that they live with their parents.
So parents should have the right to have their children "put to sleep"
Adoption is legal, moron.
Giving birth is natural, idiot.
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06 Jan 2006 05:35:30 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Mark Sebree wrote:
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All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
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Why stop at just making abortions legal?
Let's use your principal to its fullest potential.
Let's see pro-liar stupidity at work.
Children are a great financial and emotional hardship on the parents
the entire time that they live with their parents.
So parents should have the right to have their children "put to sleep"
Adoption is legal, moron.
Giving birth is natural, idiot.
So is dying, *****, but killing people is still murder.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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06 Jan 2006 08:40:09 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Mark Sebree wrote:
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All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
========
Why stop at just making abortions legal?
Let's use your principal to its fullest potential.
Let's see pro-liar stupidity at work.
Children are a great financial and emotional hardship on the parents
the entire time that they live with their parents.
So parents should have the right to have their children "put to sleep"
Adoption is legal, moron.
Giving birth is natural, idiot.
So is dying, *****, but killing people is still murder.
Not always.
Shame you don't know the difference.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Jan 2006 09:03:14 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Mark Sebree wrote:
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
========
Why stop at just making abortions legal?
Let's use your principal to its fullest potential.
Let's see pro-liar stupidity at work.
Children are a great financial and emotional hardship on the parents
the entire time that they live with their parents.
So parents should have the right to have their children "put to sleep"
Adoption is legal, moron.
Giving birth is natural, idiot.
So is dying, *****, but killing people is still murder.
Not always.
Shame you don't know the difference.
Coward Heishman dodges the point.
No news at 11.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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06 Jan 2006 10:41:52 PM |
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osprey lied:
Shame
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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06 Jan 2006 08:09:23 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Mark Sebree wrote:
...
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
========
Why stop at just making abortions legal?
Let's use your principal to its fullest potential.
Let's see pro-liar stupidity at work.
Children are a great financial and emotional hardship on the parents
the entire time that they live with their parents.
So parents should have the right to have their children "put to sleep"
Adoption is legal, moron.
Giving birth is natural, idiot.
So is dying, *****, but killing people is still murder.
Hey, bigot, you've got some nerve calling him an *****, you're as big
an *****, liar, bigot and hypocrite as he is.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Jan 2006 09:02:43 PM |
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Mimi Cohen <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Mark Sebree wrote:
...
All making abortion illegal will do is drive it underground, and cost
women their lives needlessly, as well as increase the poverty rate and
increase the level of misery and suffering in the country.
========
Why stop at just making abortions legal?
Let's use your principal to its fullest potential.
Let's see pro-liar stupidity at work.
Children are a great financial and emotional hardship on the parents
the entire time that they live with their parents.
So parents should have the right to have their children "put to sleep"
Adoption is legal, moron.
Giving birth is natural, idiot.
So is dying, *****, but killing people is still murder.
Hey, bigot, you've got some nerve calling him an *****, you're as big
an *****, liar, bigot and hypocrite as he is.
Because I dared to criticize your sacred Israel.
You really are an insane fanatic.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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06 Jan 2006 10:42:29 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Mimi Cohen <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Mark Sebree wrote:
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