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14 Oct 2005 03:09:05 PM |
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Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
http://www.lifeadvocate.org/3_98/feature2.htm
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of National
Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some time, I can't help but
recognize the striking similarity between the way the Nazis
rationalized many of their crimes and the way the pro-choicers do
today.
If one really takes a closer look at what mentality contributed to the
coming about of the Nazi movement, particularly its rationalization for
"getting rid of" certain groups of people especially the handicapped
and the mentally ill, one can't help but see the ideological similarity
to the "new ethic" now used to justify abortion.
Materialism linked to eugenics, with a similar pseudo-scientific
argumentation, was the justification for killing "low-human,"
"sub-human" and "not-yet-human" individuals. Hundreds of thousands,
especially of mentally handicapped human beings, were murdered. This
was euphemistically called "euthanasie."
The rationalization back then was somewhat like this: "Well, these
miserable creatures (the mentally ill) do not have a real sense of what
a quality life is all about: a life of full awareness that contributes
to society, a life that brings joy and satisfaction through activities,
a life in the true meaning of the word. Suffering in their miserable
status, they are a burden for society. Therefore, it is not only
justified but is an act of noble pity to end a life which was not a
human life in the true quality sense of the word anyway."
When unborn children who are diagnosed as probably becoming handicapped
get killed, when unborn children are not allowed to live anymore due to
a negative "social prognosis" (however sociologically phony it may be),
pro-abortionists come up with a eugenic agenda for our society as a
"Brave New World," and we see lines of thinking, rationalization, and
argumentation that I as a German know only too well.
Analogies in this case can and must be made if we are intellectually
honest enough to confront the evils in contemporary society, a society
which has adopted the same mentality that enslaved and murdered the
innocent decades ago. The outside appearance might be different or vary
here and there, but in their anti-human materialist reasoning, the
pro-abortion mentality and the Nazi mentality are two fruits from the
very same tree. Though the subject is complex, similarities are
striking to those willing to open their eyes.
In light of the fact that millions of innocent unborn children are
killed each year through the practice of abortion, analogies are often
made between the Shoa or (Holocaust) and abortion.
While some are superficial and inappropriate, others are careful and
valid. Yet all these comparisons are attacked by the pro-"choice"
crowd. Many are quick to insist that such a comparison is nonsense
since the National Socialists were against abortion or were "pro-life."
This often-heard general statement, however, is not true. History shows
us a very different picture.
In the 1920s German society saw a "liberalization" of abortion laws.
Abortion was no longer seen as a crime and was reduced to an offense.
This resulted in the numbers of abortions skyrocketing. This fact
caused the materialist, collectivist racist Nazi movement great
"concern." But the nature of that "concern" was fundamentally different
from the motivation that drives a pro-lifer. The reaction of the Nazis
to abortion betrays not only a different motive but a different way of
thinking that bears no resemblance to the thinking of pro-lifers but is
very like the thinking of those who advocate abortion today.
The concern of a true pro-lifer, what causes her or him to oppose
abortion is the right to life of every human being. This very right is
a personal one and a fundamental one upon which all other human
rights--like the right to free speech and freedom of religion--are
based. Without the right to life, the others become meaningless terms.
No other person has a "right" to "choose" to take away these rights
from another human being. Our right to choose what we do--or don't
do--stops at the line where it endangers or destroys another human
being's fundamental rights, the most basic being the right to life. No
other person and no state is allowed to take that away from anybody.
It is true that when the Nazis came to power, they introduced stricter
abortion laws. But this was not done because of pro-life motivations.
Right to life was not viewed as a fundamental human right, nor was
individual human life itself seen as having unique worth. Instead,
ideological concerns made the Nazis worry about the skyrocketing
abortion rate. A Nation, a Genetic Collective, the Race that was to be
the ultimate force of a successful establishment of the Third Reich,
were all of a sudden in danger. The Race would lose its vital strength
when the "Selection of the Fittest" was no longer guaranteed, and the
establishment of a strong new productive Race and State might be called
into question because of a shortage of new offspring.
Thus, the new anti-abortion law was not based on a right to life that
cannot be taken away. It saw abortion as an attack on the "volkskraft,"
the People's or the Nations strength. Far from being the product of a
philosophy that cherishes the right to life, Nazi restrictions on
abortion were based on a philosophy which degraded individual life by
seeing it as merely the means to a "higher end." Of course, there was
no personal right to life in this concept that used law as a tool to
achieve ideological goals. When Nazi Germany expanded terror by
occupying Eastern Europe, the rationale behind Nazi abortion laws was
even clearer. At the instance of Himmler, the Nazis promoted
contraceptives for women and introduced laws which made abortion legal
in these occupied countries.
Of course, the philosophy which degraded life from being the most basic
human right to merely a means to some other end was not new in
principle. Lenin introduced abortion on demand in Soviet Russia. After
a while, unrestricted abortion seemed damaging to Soviet interests, the
government imposed stricter abortion laws which could then be
"liberalized" when it suited their sociological goals.
Similarly, abortion advocates today reduce the right to life and give
individual human life only an instrumental value. Whether the unborn
child has a right to be born or not is often decided by selfish and
egocentric rationalization similar to that used by the Nazi
eugenicists. Of course many pro-"choicers" take an individualistic
approach rather than a collectivist one. They may oppose abortion laws
which are connected to some allegedly higher collectivist goal and
insist that only the individuals immediately affected should have a
"choice" whether or not to abort a child.
This individualism, however, is not different in quality but only in
quantity from the promotion of abortion as a means to the greater good
of the collective. In both cases, the life of the unborn child is seen
as valuable only insofar as it serves the interests of others--whether
it is the collectivist state or the individual parent. Similar
self-centered rationalization reduces human life from a basic right to
merely a tool to serve the convenience of others. In that sense, the
philosophy of the Nazi collectivists of the past is very like the
philosophy of individual abortion advocates in our own time.
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Point to ponder: "...the misuse of the term "holocaust" for the
extermination of the Chosen People could only come from one of the
stalwarts of Hollywood illiteracy; in Greek mythology it stood for a
sacrificial live cremation to win the favor of the gods."
Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
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| User: "Soul food" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
14 Oct 2005 04:19:23 PM |
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Into alt.atheism shot "turds of wrath" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of National
Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some time, I can't help but
recognize the striking similarity between the way the Nazis
rationalized many of their crimes and the way the pro-choicers do
today.
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling lies about
everything, and you know what? they don't even care whether what they
are saying is true, because their forgiving god will absolve them for
even the greatest depths of moral tirpitude as long as they truly
believe in him.
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"If iron chariots make people immune to God (Judges 1:19), why do Christians drive cars?"
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
16 Oct 2005 02:03:34 AM |
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On 14-Oct-2005, Soul food <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote:
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling lies about
everything, and you know what? they don't even care whether what they
are saying is true, because their forgiving god will absolve them for
even the greatest depths of moral tirpitude as long as they truly
believe in him.
Spoken like someone ignorant of most theists.
Susan
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
15 Oct 2005 02:38:27 AM |
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Soul food wrote:
Into alt.atheism shot "turds of wrath" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of National
Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some time, I can't help but
recognize the striking similarity between the way the Nazis
rationalized many of their crimes and the way the pro-choicers do
today.
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling lies about
everything, and you know what? they don't even care whether what they
are saying is true, because their forgiving god will absolve them for
even the greatest depths of moral tirpitude as long as they truly
believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour. Anything
serving the current desired ends is ok since no justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior opponent
matters.
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| User: "Soul food" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
16 Oct 2005 08:00:29 AM |
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Into alt.atheism shot "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urjlew@bellsouth.net>
and breathlessly exclaimed:
Soul food wrote:
Into alt.atheism shot "turds of wrath" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of National
Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some time, I can't help but
recognize the striking similarity between the way the Nazis
rationalized many of their crimes and the way the pro-choicers do
today.
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling lies about
everything, and you know what? they don't even care whether what they
are saying is true, because their forgiving god will absolve them for
even the greatest depths of moral tirpitude as long as they truly
believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour. Anything
serving the current desired ends is ok since no justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior opponent
matters.
That's a pretty psychopathic 'worldview' you've got there.
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"If iron chariots make people immune to God (Judges 1:19), why do Christians drive cars?"
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
17 Oct 2005 06:27:25 AM |
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On 16-Oct-2005, Soul food <cthulhu@soulstogo.com> wrote:
Into alt.atheism shot "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urjlew@bellsouth.net>
and breathlessly exclaimed:
Soul food wrote:
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling lies about
everything, and you know what? they don't even care whether what they
are saying is true, because their forgiving god will absolve them for
even the greatest depths of moral tirpitude as long as they truly
believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour. Anything
serving the current desired ends is ok since no justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior opponent
matters.
That's a pretty psychopathic 'worldview' you've got there.
Funny you should mention that, because it MIRRORS YOURS.
Susan
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
16 Oct 2005 04:08:17 PM |
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Soul food wrote:
Into alt.atheism shot "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urjlew@bellsouth.net>
and breathlessly exclaimed:
Soul food wrote:
Into alt.atheism shot "turds of wrath" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of National
Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some time, I can't help but
recognize the striking similarity between the way the Nazis
rationalized many of their crimes and the way the pro-choicers do
today.
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling lies about
everything, and you know what? they don't even care whether what they
are saying is true, because their forgiving god will absolve them for
even the greatest depths of moral tirpitude as long as they truly
believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour. Anything
serving the current desired ends is ok since no justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior opponent
matters.
That's a pretty psychopathic 'worldview' you've got there.
Sounds catchy and cute. :-)
Now what does it mean? :-p
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Oct 2005 12:24:20 PM |
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
"Christians" don't worry about telling lies, killing people,
committing genocide, molesting children, or any other crime because
they believe that anything they do will be "forgiven".
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
15 Oct 2005 05:06:53 AM |
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Soul food wrote:
Into alt.atheism shot "turds of wrath"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> and breathlessly exclaimed:
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of
National Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some time,
I can't help but recognize the striking similarity between the
way the Nazis rationalized many of their crimes and the way
the pro-choicers do today.
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling
lies about everything, and you know what? they don't even care
whether what they are saying is true, because their forgiving
god will absolve them for even the greatest depths of moral
tirpitude as long as they truly believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
Anything serving the current desired ends is ok since no
justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior
opponent matters.
Well, there you go lying. Again.
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The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Barwell 3-8-05
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Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved to the far right,
taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have fully
supported the GOP as it has moved right to gain support of
christian zealots and conservatives. This started when Nixon
played the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners, in a purposeful
plan create by Kevin Phillips, playing on unchristian racist
resentments of the post Jim Crow civil rights era. Kevin
Phillips,
architect of the Sourthern strategy, apologized on NPR radio a
few years back for this plan, which he admitted often sunk into
rank racism.
So we now have had a essentially a christian GOP government
for 30 years.
Under Nixon:
Christian Americans supported incompetent and corrupt
Vietnamese politicians. And a senseless war in Vietnam
that accomplished nothing. And a corrupt US military that
mislead us steadily about all of this.
Nixon lied about having a secret plan to end the war.
Christians supported Nixon's having instigated awful and
murderous policies as the Phoenix program.
Supported the secret bombings in Cambodia that killed
hundreds of thousands of innocent Cambodians.
Despite the lies and deceits, few Christian leaders seemed
to care or be disturbed by such things.
Winked at the invasion of East Timur and parts of New
Guinea by our allies, the Indonesions.
The Indonesians killed 1/4 of the East Timurese over several
decades, mass murder, genocide. 2 million dead.
Winked at the Greek far right Junta that overthrew the
Greek government. Today many Greeks still intensely
dislike teh US for support these men who tortured and jailed
many without charges, based on politics.
Supported the murderous far right Brazilian generals who
overthrew that democratically elected government.
Supported the mass murdering Argentinian government and
their terroristic "Dirty War" of torture, mass murder
and disappearances.
Supported the murderous Pinochet of Chile and overthrow
yet another democratically elected goverment.
No Christians respected life here. Or freedom. But supported
Nixon heartily despite the horrors we commited in Vietnam
and Cambodia and Chile and winked at support for other
dictators and right winged coups mentioned above.
The right wingers of both parties supported this, and many
claimed to be christians.
Reagan.
Reagan lead the GOP in support for military aid to the
genocidal Rios Montt of Guatemala, who's armies most purposefully
practiced wholesale torture, rape and genocide on the Mayan
Indians of Guatemala. A war of terror.
Reagan and the GOP supported the mass murdering ex-Somoza
Guards of Nicaragua.
Reagan and the GOP supported Saddam Hussein of Iraq, despite
Saddam's starting a warm, and using poison gas in his war.
Reagan and the GOP supported the murderous Robert
D'Aubisson of El Salavador, a known far right death
squad leader.
The El Salvadoran government was involved in numerous
murders, and massacres, such as the killing of 400
villagers at a small village called El Mezote, most
of them young women and children.
Reagan and the GOP supported Noriega of Panama.
Few christiabs complained, not the leadership of
US denominations.
Reagan and the GOP happily supported Pol Pot's claim
to be the rightful government of Cambodia despite the
genocide committed by the insane Pol Pot's Khmer Regime,
and even had teh CIA send money and supplies to Pol Pot
while ignoring China's reaming Pol Pot without complaint.
Reagan and the GOP supported a number of murdering
far right extremist guerrilla movements in Africa
including the genocidal Frelimo in Mozambique.
Reagan fought sanctions to end apartheid in South africa.
The Christian and religous right heavily supported Reagan
and the GOP despite numerous examples of such evils as
listed above. The leaders of the religous right never cared
nor complained, neither did the religous leaders of the
main stream christian denominations.
There was and is no respect for life in American
christianity as these wholesale and repeat failures of
America christianity collectively over 20 years shows.
Then we had Bush.
Bush continued support for the evil dictators above,
including Pinochet, Pol Pot and others. However,
Saddam screwed us and invaded Iraq, mainly because
Bush screwed up and did not warn him to not do so
even though Saddam repeatedly threatened Kuwait for
months, carefully gauguing Bush's lack of reaction
and thinking lack of reaction amounted to de facto
permission or acceptance of an invasion of Kuwait
by the inert Bush.
Bush did not act in case of genocide my Jugoslavia's
Milosevic, and Bush and the GOP's loud and obnoxious
footdragging here allowed Milosevic to kill
hundreds of thousands with near impunity.
The leaders of the GOP, House and Senate, and religous
leaders of the right and mainstream denominations never
cared about any of this, nor made issue of these evils.
In the Desert Storm war, Bush allowed the US air
force to bomb Iraq's water and sewer systems.
A war crime.
They placed sanctions on Iraq that made it impossible
to keep their water supplies safe resulting in numerous
deaths that eventually would total over 2 million dead
Iraqi civilians, mostly children.
Our government coldly calculated that these sanctions would
indeed would cause mass epidemics and mass death, and did
it anyway.
Thomas Nagy, a California college professor used the FOIA
statutes to obtain these documents that were published
in September 2001 in the Progressive Magazine.
http://www.progressive.org/0801issue/nagy0901.html
No Christian leaders of either far right or mainstream
cared nor brought Bush and the GOP leadership of House
and Senate to task for this genocide of innocents.
Clinton
Under Clinton this policy continued. Again, Christians did
not care. All Christians cared about was Clintons
don't-ask-don't-tell gays in military policy and Clinton's
sex life and Whitewater.
$47 million spent investigating whitewater while the Christian
right roared with naked hate. Money spent investigation mass
murder in Iraq caused by our purposeful by our sanctions?
$0. Roars of disaprovable from Christian America over these mass
murders? Few.
What has 30 years or right winged GOP government and right
winger christianity got us? Mass murder, genocide,
Nothing but callousness, disregard for human life,
mass moral failure of religion, Christianity and
the american right.
Not once did religous christian Americans, either
leadership or rank and file ever find any of these
evils unacceptable or punish any who supported any
of this.
Most GOP House and Senate members were people who
did these things claimed to be christians. Not a one
cares, not a christian cares, they did not care or act.
30 years of failure. 30 years of support for
far right genocidal bastards, mass murderers,
and evil.
Total christian failure.
Total lack of any real morality at all
in American christianity.
Christians posture as moral, but American christians have
a very bad track records when it comes to morality, they
will happily support any genocidal monster as long as he's
a right winger, and right winger politicians support
that monster, no matter how murderous or genocidal he
and his evil regime is.
Christianity is evil. The proof here is obvious,
and this is not some atrocity of the middle ages,
or the 1500's,this is here and now and ongoing and
continuing.
Bush lied us into a war in Iraq and rather than being
horrified, the christian far right has applauded this.
The christian failure of christian America is ongoing
and shows no signs of morality. No signs of change.
Thus we see that for the last 30 years in America,
christianity has been an utter and total and complete
moral failure.
(End)
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
16 Oct 2005 02:04:19 AM |
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On 15-Oct-2005, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Soul food wrote:
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling
lies about everything, and you know what? they don't even care
whether what they are saying is true, because their forgiving
god will absolve them for even the greatest depths of moral
tirpitude as long as they truly believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
Anything serving the current desired ends is ok since no
justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior
opponent matters.
Well, there you go lying. Again.
Why should only this poster have to worry about lying?
The previous poster didn't.
Susan
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| User: "1973 Dead" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
16 Oct 2005 12:34:43 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:04:19 GMT, wrote:
On 15-Oct-2005, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Soul food wrote:
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling
lies about everything, and you know what? they don't even care
whether what they are saying is true, because their forgiving
god will absolve them for even the greatest depths of moral
tirpitude as long as they truly believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
Anything serving the current desired ends is ok since no
justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior
opponent matters.
Well, there you go lying. Again.
Why should only this poster have to worry about lying?
The previous poster didn't.
Ever notice how having Jehovah in their camp doesn't seem to help the
debating skills of these creatures any?
Susan
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| User: "Kelo Disaster" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
16 Oct 2005 12:44:20 PM |
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"1973 Dead" <zepp1973#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote in message
news:po35l1tu4a2b6dv440dotsfedk0nimob4o@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:04:19 GMT, wrote:
On 15-Oct-2005, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Soul food wrote:
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling
lies about everything, and you know what? they don't even care
whether what they are saying is true, because their forgiving
god will absolve them for even the greatest depths of moral
tirpitude as long as they truly believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
Anything serving the current desired ends is ok since no
justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior
opponent matters.
Well, there you go lying. Again.
Why should only this poster have to worry about lying?
The previous poster didn't.
Ever notice how having Jehovah in their camp doesn't seem to help the
debating skills of these creatures any?
Well, Satan hasn't done much for yours either.
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| User: "1973 Dead" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
16 Oct 2005 02:21:16 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:44:20 -0500, "Kelo Disaster"
<goingoing@gone.net> wrote:
"1973 Dead" <zepp1973#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote in message
news:po35l1tu4a2b6dv440dotsfedk0nimob4o@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:04:19 GMT, wrote:
On 15-Oct-2005, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Soul food wrote:
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling
lies about everything, and you know what? they don't even care
whether what they are saying is true, because their forgiving
god will absolve them for even the greatest depths of moral
tirpitude as long as they truly believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
Anything serving the current desired ends is ok since no
justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior
opponent matters.
Well, there you go lying. Again.
Why should only this poster have to worry about lying?
The previous poster didn't.
Ever notice how having Jehovah in their camp doesn't seem to help the
debating skills of these creatures any?
Well, Satan hasn't done much for yours either.
Well, of course not. You've already got him under contract.
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whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
17 Oct 2005 06:24:57 AM |
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On 16-Oct-2005, 1973 Dead <zepp1973#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:04:19 GMT, wrote:
On 15-Oct-2005, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Soul food wrote:
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling
lies about everything, and you know what? they don't even care
whether what they are saying is true, because their forgiving
god will absolve them for even the greatest depths of moral
tirpitude as long as they truly believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have
any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
Anything serving the current desired ends is ok since no
justification is
otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a superior
opponent matters.
Well, there you go lying. Again.
Why should only this poster have to worry about lying?
The previous poster didn't.
Ever notice how having Jehovah in their camp doesn't seem to help the
debating skills of these creatures any?
Thanks for bolstering my point about your lies.
And thanks for openly exhibiting some very interesting Nazi-eqsue beliefs.
If anyone's a "creature", it's you.
Susan
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
15 Oct 2005 03:10:32 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Soul food wrote:
Into alt.atheism shot "turds of wrath"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> and breathlessly exclaimed:
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of
National Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some time,
I can't help but recognize the striking similarity between the
way the Nazis rationalized many of their crimes and the way
the pro-choicers do today.
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling
lies about everything, and you know what? they don't even care
whether what they are saying is true, because their forgiving
god will absolve them for even the greatest depths of moral
tirpitude as long as they truly believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
Anything serving the current desired ends is ok since no
justification is otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation by a
superior opponent matters.
Well, there you go lying. Again.
***********************************************************
The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Barwell 3-8-05
***********************************************************
Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved to the far right,
taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have fully
supported the GOP as it has moved right to gain support of
christian zealots and conservatives. This started when Nixon
played the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners, in a purposeful
plan create by Kevin Phillips, playing on unchristian racist
resentments of the post Jim Crow civil rights era. Kevin
.............. snip ........................
So we now have had a essentially a christian GOP government
for 30 years.
??????????????????????? What's that mean ???????????????
.............. and snip ..........................
30 years of failure. 30 years of support for
far right genocidal bastards, mass murderers,
and evil.
Total christian failure.
Total lack of any real morality at all
in American christianity.
Christians posture as moral, but American christians have
a very bad track records when it comes to morality, they
will happily support any genocidal monster as long as he's
a right winger, and right winger politicians support
that monster, no matter how murderous or genocidal he
and his evil regime is.
Christianity is evil. The proof here is obvious,
and this is not some atrocity of the middle ages,
or the 1500's,this is here and now and ongoing and
continuing.
..........................................
Thus we see that for the last 30 years in America,
christianity has been an utter and total and complete
moral failure.
(End)
Thank you for providing example evidence to support
my statement.
" Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their behaviour.
Anything serving the current desired ends is ok since no
justification is otherwise needed."
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
15 Oct 2005 09:16:48 PM |
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Soul food wrote:
Into alt.atheism shot "turds of wrath"
<wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> and breathlessly exclaimed:
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of
National Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some
time, I can't help but recognize the striking similarity
between the way the Nazis rationalized many of their crimes
and the way the pro-choicers do today.
Theists, and particularly Christians, never tire of telling
lies about everything, and you know what? they don't even
care whether what they are saying is true, because their
forgiving god will absolve them for even the greatest depths
of moral tirpitude as long as they truly believe in him.
Ah well. Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they
don't
have any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their
behaviour. Anything serving the current desired ends is ok
since no
justification is otherwise needed. Only fear of retaliation
by a superior opponent matters.
Well, there you go lying. Again.
***********************************************************
The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Barwell 3-8-05
***********************************************************
Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved to the far right,
taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have fully
supported the GOP as it has moved right to gain support of
christian zealots and conservatives. This started when Nixon
played the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners, in a
purposeful plan create by Kevin Phillips, playing on
unchristian racist resentments of the post Jim Crow civil
rights era. Kevin
.............. snip ........................
So we now have had a essentially a christian GOP government
for 30 years.
??????????????????????? What's that mean ???????????????
.............. and snip ..........................
30 years of failure. 30 years of support for
far right genocidal bastards, mass murderers,
and evil.
Total christian failure.
Total lack of any real morality at all
in American christianity.
Christians posture as moral, but American christians have
a very bad track records when it comes to morality, they
will happily support any genocidal monster as long as he's
a right winger, and right winger politicians support
that monster, no matter how murderous or genocidal he
and his evil regime is.
Christianity is evil. The proof here is obvious,
and this is not some atrocity of the middle ages,
or the 1500's,this is here and now and ongoing and
continuing.
.........................................
Thus we see that for the last 30 years in America,
christianity has been an utter and total and complete
moral failure.
(End)
Thank you for providing example evidence to support
my statement.
" Atheists don't worry about telling lies, as they don't
have any ethical, or moral, anchors or curbs on their
behaviour. Anything serving the current desired ends is ok
since no justification is otherwise needed."
You didn't read with comprehension or brains did you.
The GOP presidents, Senators and House members have almost always
supported dictators an nd genocidal killers since Nixon.
I gave you many examples but my list was surely not exhuastive.
the GOP has since Nixon happlity accepted mass murder.
No lies here, history you didn't understand.
Now, thanks to christians in America, we have a totally GOP
government, President House and Senate.
Under Reagan we had a President and Senate.
and mass murderers supported wholesale by all GOP leaders.
And All religous far right pro-GOP leaders.
And we had large denominations absent themselves from the moral
battlefield here.
The GOP has been supporting mass murders for 30 years and you
shitty christaisn supported them and rewarded them for this by
gradually handing America wholesale over the the GOP despite 30
years of avid support for genocidal maniacs.
You demonstrate how it works. You are stupid.
Ammoral. and without ability to reason.
Reagan and Bush and the GOP house and Senate leadership
supported Pol Pot for 10 years and you stupid bastards didn't
even care.
Not all scum here were GOP. Clionton supported the genocidal
Iraq sanctions, even on water and sewer systems, and the far
right cared only about his oval office *****, not hundreds of
thousands of dead Iraqi children.
Not Clinton and his wife Hillary who were good, sound Southern
Baptists who went to church every Sunday with regularity.
Unlike Reagan or Bush.
The xians of America never cared about these mass murders.
Only his ***** abd huis "Dont Ask - Don't Tell" policies.
30 years of massive and near total religious moral failure from
American Christians, especially the far right variety.
GOP + Christianity = evil.
Not mere rhetoric, but proven truth as we can see by observing
what the Religious-political conservatives of this nation
have done in the last 30 years.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
16 Oct 2005 02:05:46 AM |
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The same way you wouldn;t buy a used car from someone who
calls himself "Honest John", I give you "words of truth"!
Susan
Into alt.atheism shot "turds of wrath" <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
by Robert Jesolowitz
translation assistance: Ron Chandonia
Having studied the historical and ideological roots of National
Socialism and the Nazi ideology for quite some time, I can't help but
recognize the striking similarity between the way the Nazis
rationalized many of their crimes and the way the pro-choicers do
today.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics, Abortion And The Nazi Plan |
14 Oct 2005 11:19:25 PM |
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words of truth <wordsoftruth21@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.lifeadvocate.org/3_98/feature2.htm
Eugenics, abortion and the Nazi plan
Terrorism and the anti-abortion agenda.
Those who do not obey are murdered.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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