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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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07 Aug 2007 07:05:24 AM |
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Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.html#more
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail, and ARN recently
reported that the European Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID-
friendly legal group affiliated with the American Center for Law and
Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the
Committee Report's hypocrisy.
The ECLJ Memo observes that the Council of Europe's own Parliamentary
Assembly has stated, "History has proven that violations of academic
freedom . . . have always resulted in intellectual relapse, and
consequently in social and economic stagnation," and that the European
Court of Human Rights has held that "pluralism, tolerance and
broadmindedness" are requirements for democratic society. The Council
of Europe's "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" apparently
eschews these values when it comes to ID. Indeed, the Committee Report
treats Darwinian evolution like a religious dogma, where "doubt" must
be prevented through thought-control: The Committee Report asserts
"there is absolutely no doubt that evolution is a central theory for
our understanding of the Universe and of life on Earth" and thus ID
must be "combated" because "[i]t is necessary to avoid doubt entering
individuals minds" regarding evolution. The Council of Europe claims
to "to protect human rights [and] pluralist democracy," yet the ECLJ
Memo makes a powerful argument that it is the Committee Report that
threatens the values of free society:
The Committee on Culture, Science and Education presented the working
document, "Report on the Dangers of Creationism in
Education" ("Report"), on 8 June 2007, including 19 articles of a
Draft Resolution ("Resolution"). The aim of the Report is to forego
scientific discussion between the theories of evolution and
creationism, or intelligent design, to impede the educational
formation of children by restricting classroom exploration of ideas,
and effectively infringe on the rights of free exercise of expression,
religion, and education. ... Respect for pluralism and diversity are
hallmarks of a democratic society. ... The Report does not respect the
freedom of expression of teachers, researchers, and students, as
manifest in academic freedom, because it seeks to eradicate an
alternative to the Darwinian model of the origin of life, thereby
elevating the theory of evolution to scientific dogma.
(ECLJ, "Memorandum on Council of Europe Legislation, Draft Resolution
Regarding Report on "The Dangers of Creationism in Education")
The ECLJ's memo is worth reading because it exposes the hypocrisy of
the authors of the Committee Report and rightly concludes that "the
[Council of Europe's] Parliamentary Assembly should reject the
Resolution as incompatible with the goals and ideals of the Council of
Europe." Thankfully, Reuters reported that the Council of Europe
tabled a scheduled vote on the Committee Report. Perhaps there are
still true guardians of human rights and opponents of tyranny within
the Council of Europe.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Aug 2007 08:18:37 PM |
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"Breathtaking inanity"
Who said that about ID criminals?
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| User: "Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer" |
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07 Aug 2007 02:39:23 PM |
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From: Ex-Republican <christians.vote@only.for.christians>
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.html#more
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail, and ARN recently
reported that the European Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID-
friendly legal group affiliated with the American Center for Law and
Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the
Committee Report's hypocrisy.
The ECLJ Memo observes that the Council of Europe's own Parliamentary
Assembly has stated, "History has proven that violations of academic
freedom . . . have always resulted in intellectual relapse, and
consequently in social and economic stagnation," and that the European
Court of Human Rights has held that "pluralism, tolerance and
broadmindedness" are requirements for democratic society. The Council
of Europe's "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" apparently
eschews these values when it comes to ID. Indeed, the Committee Report
treats Darwinian evolution like a religious dogma, where "doubt" must
be prevented through thought-control: The Committee Report asserts
"there is absolutely no doubt that evolution is a central theory for
our understanding of the Universe and of life on Earth" and thus ID
must be "combated" because "[i]t is necessary to avoid doubt entering
individuals minds" regarding evolution. The Council of Europe claims
to "to protect human rights [and] pluralist democracy," yet the ECLJ
Memo makes a powerful argument that it is the Committee Report that
threatens the values of free society:
The Committee on Culture, Science and Education presented the working
document, "Report on the Dangers of Creationism in
Education" ("Report"), on 8 June 2007, including 19 articles of a
Draft Resolution ("Resolution"). The aim of the Report is to forego
scientific discussion between the theories of evolution and
creationism, or intelligent design, to impede the educational
formation of children by restricting classroom exploration of ideas,
and effectively infringe on the rights of free exercise of expression,
religion, and education. ... Respect for pluralism and diversity are
hallmarks of a democratic society. ... The Report does not respect the
freedom of expression of teachers, researchers, and students, as
manifest in academic freedom, because it seeks to eradicate an
alternative to the Darwinian model of the origin of life, thereby
elevating the theory of evolution to scientific dogma.
(ECLJ, "Memorandum on Council of Europe Legislation, Draft Resolution
Regarding Report on "The Dangers of Creationism in Education")
The ECLJ's memo is worth reading because it exposes the hypocrisy of
the authors of the Committee Report and rightly concludes that "the
[Council of Europe's] Parliamentary Assembly should reject the
Resolution as incompatible with the goals and ideals of the Council of
Europe." Thankfully, Reuters reported that the Council of Europe
tabled a scheduled vote on the Committee Report. Perhaps there are
still true guardians of human rights and opponents of tyranny within
the Council of Europe.
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Very interesting story. It's almost as if someone within the
upper ranks of Anti-Christian Atheists has tricked them into
legally-slitting their own throats. We all know that Atheism
is the most egregiously bigoted & intolerant religion of the
world, and has long-since monopolized governments across the
so-called "free" world. So it is auspicious that an "atheist"
would seek to draw public attention to their vicious bigotry
against Non-Atheists and especially against Judeo-Christians.
It sounds as if the Atheists' echelons have been infiltrated,
compromised, and duped into pursuing a fatal path unto death,
a sort of "Pied Piper" in their midst. I find it fascinating.
But Atheists are naturally-inclined to self-destruction, thus
it follows that these Anti-Christian European Atheists would
willingly punch their own one-way ticket to eternity in Hell,
alongside their Anti-Christian American Atheist counterparts.
So let us Christians hope it backfires on the Anti-Christian
Atheists to the point of all-out war in the European theatre,
just as we pray likewise over the American theatre of combat. :)
Ex-Republican,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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| User: "Vlad the accountant" |
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08 Aug 2007 12:00:36 PM |
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On 7 Aug, 20:39, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
<anonym...@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
From: Ex-Republican <christians.v...@only.for.christians>
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
tosser
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| User: "johac" |
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08 Aug 2007 12:05:18 AM |
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In article <1186488324.889458.297260@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.html#more
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design
Ignorance is a crime? In that case you better not go to Europe.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
07 Aug 2007 08:06:10 AM |
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On 7 ao=FBt, 14:05, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.h...
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
Actually, "intelligent design" is a threat to human intelligence.
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| User: "David Schwartz" |
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07 Aug 2007 04:19:22 PM |
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On Aug 7, 5:05 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
How would you feel if your kids were taught that John Wayne was the
founder of NATO?
DS
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Aug 2007 08:22:18 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:19:22 -0700, David Schwartz
<davids@webmaster.com> wrote:
On Aug 7, 5:05 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
How would you feel if your kids were taught that John Wayne was the
founder of NATO?
He wasn't?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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08 Aug 2007 12:52:48 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:52:18 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:19:22 -0700, David Schwartz
<davids@webmaster.com> wrote:
On Aug 7, 5:05 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
How would you feel if your kids were taught that John Wayne was the
founder of NATO?
He wasn't?
No, it was Errol Flynn.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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08 Aug 2007 06:07:27 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:52:48 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:52:18 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:19:22 -0700, David Schwartz
<davids@webmaster.com> wrote:
On Aug 7, 5:05 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
How would you feel if your kids were taught that John Wayne was the
founder of NATO?
He wasn't?
No, it was Errol Flynn.
Oh dear. That means I'm going to have to make my shrine 6" taller.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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08 Aug 2007 11:02:23 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:37:27 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:52:48 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:52:18 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:19:22 -0700, David Schwartz
<davids@webmaster.com> wrote:
On Aug 7, 5:05 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
How would you feel if your kids were taught that John Wayne was the
founder of NATO?
He wasn't?
No, it was Errol Flynn.
Oh dear. That means I'm going to have to make my shrine 6" taller.
One imagines the Flynn shrine would last rather longer!
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| User: "Baldin Lee Pramer" |
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08 Aug 2007 11:05:11 AM |
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On Aug 7, 6:05 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.h...
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
ID should not be taught in the classroom. It is not a scientific
theory. But a "threat to human rights"? What a load of crap.
BLP
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| User: "Rich Hutnik" |
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10 Aug 2007 10:48:40 PM |
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On Aug 7, 8:05 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.h...
Why is this relevant to alt.politics.bush?
- Rich
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| User: "" |
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10 Aug 2007 11:50:31 PM |
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On Aug 7, 8:05 am, Sounds trumped up to me writes: of Trumpet
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail, and ARN recently
reported that the European Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID-
friendly legal group affiliated with the American Center for Law and
Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the
Committee Report's hypocrisy.
Excuse me but how are they "criminalizing" dissent
People still have a right to believe that silly ***** if they want
They just can't force it down student's throats as SCIENCE
Where are the "criminal" penalties for this?
Sounds trumped up to me
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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10 Aug 2007 07:10:28 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:05:24 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.html#more
Scuse the top post, but you have already seen Sad old Strumpet's
offering.
The whole thing is here.
http://www.assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/WorkingDocs/Doc07/EDOC11297.htm
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail, and ARN recently
reported that the European Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID-
friendly legal group affiliated with the American Center for Law and
Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the
Committee Report's hypocrisy.
The ECLJ Memo observes that the Council of Europe's own Parliamentary
Assembly has stated, "History has proven that violations of academic
freedom . . . have always resulted in intellectual relapse, and
consequently in social and economic stagnation," and that the European
Court of Human Rights has held that "pluralism, tolerance and
broadmindedness" are requirements for democratic society. The Council
of Europe's "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" apparently
eschews these values when it comes to ID. Indeed, the Committee Report
treats Darwinian evolution like a religious dogma, where "doubt" must
be prevented through thought-control: The Committee Report asserts
"there is absolutely no doubt that evolution is a central theory for
our understanding of the Universe and of life on Earth" and thus ID
must be "combated" because "[i]t is necessary to avoid doubt entering
individuals minds" regarding evolution. The Council of Europe claims
to "to protect human rights [and] pluralist democracy," yet the ECLJ
Memo makes a powerful argument that it is the Committee Report that
threatens the values of free society:
The Committee on Culture, Science and Education presented the working
document, "Report on the Dangers of Creationism in
Education" ("Report"), on 8 June 2007, including 19 articles of a
Draft Resolution ("Resolution"). The aim of the Report is to forego
scientific discussion between the theories of evolution and
creationism, or intelligent design, to impede the educational
formation of children by restricting classroom exploration of ideas,
and effectively infringe on the rights of free exercise of expression,
religion, and education. ... Respect for pluralism and diversity are
hallmarks of a democratic society. ... The Report does not respect the
freedom of expression of teachers, researchers, and students, as
manifest in academic freedom, because it seeks to eradicate an
alternative to the Darwinian model of the origin of life, thereby
elevating the theory of evolution to scientific dogma.
(ECLJ, "Memorandum on Council of Europe Legislation, Draft Resolution
Regarding Report on "The Dangers of Creationism in Education")
The ECLJ's memo is worth reading because it exposes the hypocrisy of
the authors of the Committee Report and rightly concludes that "the
[Council of Europe's] Parliamentary Assembly should reject the
Resolution as incompatible with the goals and ideals of the Council of
Europe." Thankfully, Reuters reported that the Council of Europe
tabled a scheduled vote on the Committee Report. Perhaps there are
still true guardians of human rights and opponents of tyranny within
the Council of Europe.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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07 Aug 2007 12:56:56 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:05:24 -0700, in alt.atheism , Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> in
<1186488324.889458.297260@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> wrote:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.html#more
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail, and ARN recently
reported that the European Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID-
friendly legal group affiliated with the American Center for Law and
Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the
Committee Report's hypocrisy.
The ECLJ Memo observes that the Council of Europe's own Parliamentary
Assembly has stated, "History has proven that violations of academic
freedom . . . have always resulted in intellectual relapse, and
consequently in social and economic stagnation," and that the European
Court of Human Rights has held that "pluralism, tolerance and
broadmindedness" are requirements for democratic society. The Council
of Europe's "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" apparently
eschews these values when it comes to ID. Indeed, the Committee Report
treats Darwinian evolution like a religious dogma, where "doubt" must
be prevented through thought-control: The Committee Report asserts
"there is absolutely no doubt that evolution is a central theory for
our understanding of the Universe and of life on Earth" and thus ID
must be "combated" because "[i]t is necessary to avoid doubt entering
individuals minds" regarding evolution. The Council of Europe claims
to "to protect human rights [and] pluralist democracy," yet the ECLJ
Memo makes a powerful argument that it is the Committee Report that
threatens the values of free society:
The Committee on Culture, Science and Education presented the working
document, "Report on the Dangers of Creationism in
Education" ("Report"), on 8 June 2007, including 19 articles of a
Draft Resolution ("Resolution"). The aim of the Report is to forego
scientific discussion between the theories of evolution and
creationism, or intelligent design, to impede the educational
formation of children by restricting classroom exploration of ideas,
and effectively infringe on the rights of free exercise of expression,
religion, and education. ... Respect for pluralism and diversity are
hallmarks of a democratic society. ... The Report does not respect the
freedom of expression of teachers, researchers, and students, as
manifest in academic freedom, because it seeks to eradicate an
alternative to the Darwinian model of the origin of life, thereby
elevating the theory of evolution to scientific dogma.
(ECLJ, "Memorandum on Council of Europe Legislation, Draft Resolution
Regarding Report on "The Dangers of Creationism in Education")
The ECLJ's memo is worth reading because it exposes the hypocrisy of
the authors of the Committee Report and rightly concludes that "the
[Council of Europe's] Parliamentary Assembly should reject the
Resolution as incompatible with the goals and ideals of the Council of
Europe." Thankfully, Reuters reported that the Council of Europe
tabled a scheduled vote on the Committee Report. Perhaps there are
still true guardians of human rights and opponents of tyranny within
the Council of Europe.
Sorry, but you must have posted the wrong stuff. There is no
suggestion of criminalization here.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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07 Aug 2007 09:28:53 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in
news:1186488324.889458.297260@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com to
alt.atheism:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.htm
l#more
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
The threat to human rights comes from those who attempt to use the
machinery of state, under the guise of "freedom of expression", to
suppress the truth.
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David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208, who intends to criminally prosecute his local Evangelical
church for incitement. Hatred is not a human right.
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07 Aug 2007 06:22:10 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in
news:1186488324.889458.297260@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design
I'd support that.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
In other news: Falwell's an insect philanthropist now.
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| User: "Ash" |
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07 Aug 2007 08:44:42 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/08/european_darwinists_attempt_to.html#more
European Darwinists Attempt to Criminalize Intelligent Design as a
"Threat to Human Rights"
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct that
they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of Europe
claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but last June
its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a report
("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design (ID) in
science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to human rights."
Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail, and ARN recently
reported that the European Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID-
friendly legal group affiliated with the American Center for Law and
Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the
Committee Report's hypocrisy.
Well, they would seem to be going a bit far, but a good education is
considered a basic human right and Creationism is indeed a threat to that.
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07 Aug 2007 12:42:00 PM |
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Ash wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct
that they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of
Europe claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but
last June its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a
report ("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design
(ID) in science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to
human rights." Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail,
and ARN recently reported that the European Center for Law and
Justice (ECLJ), an ID- friendly legal group affiliated with the
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo
("ECLJ Memo") exposing the Committee Report's hypocrisy.
Well, they would seem to be going a bit far, but a good education is
considered a basic human right and Creationism is indeed a threat to
that.
Believe nothing from the DI and question anything vectored by Strumpet.
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
07 Aug 2007 12:52:26 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
Ash wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct
that they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of
Europe claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but
last June its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a
report ("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design
(ID) in science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to
human rights." Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail,
and ARN recently reported that the European Center for Law and
Justice (ECLJ), an ID- friendly legal group affiliated with the
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo
("ECLJ Memo") exposing the Committee Report's hypocrisy.
Well, they would seem to be going a bit far, but a good education is
considered a basic human right and Creationism is indeed a threat to
that.
Believe nothing from the DI and question anything vectored by Strumpet.
Yeah.
I looked up "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" and did find
an article warning against the teaching of creationism. They did seem
to be worried that it could prevent people fro getting a good education,
and also that pandering to religious extremists is a bad thing as a
general principle.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
07 Aug 2007 01:52:18 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:26 GMT, Ash <ash.amanic@virgin.net>
spoke thusly:
Geoff wrote:
Ash wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct
that they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of
Europe claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but
last June its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a
report ("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design
(ID) in science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to
human rights." Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail,
and ARN recently reported that the European Center for Law and
Justice (ECLJ), an ID- friendly legal group affiliated with the
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo
("ECLJ Memo") exposing the Committee Report's hypocrisy.
Well, they would seem to be going a bit far, but a good education is
considered a basic human right and Creationism is indeed a threat to
that.
Believe nothing from the DI and question anything vectored by Strumpet.
Yeah.
I looked up "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" and did find
an article warning against the teaching of creationism. They did seem
to be worried that it could prevent people fro getting a good education,
and also that pandering to religious extremists is a bad thing as a
general principle.
This is no different than Russia teaching atheism in schools.
But hey, what a great country that is, huh?
Every atheist country ends up squashing human rights,
but always at first, trumpets that they're doing it for
human rights.
And the truth is, that atheistic nations are responsible
for more oppression and death, than any other.
--
Pastor Dave
When making liars happy in their word games takes
precedence over truth, Christ has been abandoned.
-unknown
Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.
The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.
Doctrine is not Scripture.
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| User: "Vlad the accountant" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
08 Aug 2007 11:58:08 AM |
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This is no different than Russia teaching atheism in schools.
But hey, what a great country that is, huh?
And how exactly would one go about teaching atheism in schools?
"right johnny how are we going on learning atheism today?"
"weeeell ive managed to throw off all those greek gods, but im having
difficulty not believing in Baal"
"b+ but must try harder"
Or do you think it was like when you learned christianity in school?
"ok p diddy, how are we doing learing christianity?"
"mmmm, this bit about the grass and trees and stuff growing before god
created the sun is causing me..."
" your community friends and parents will disown you and then you are
going to hell where you will be burnt in a lake of fire"
"when you put it like that it all seems to make sense"
Every atheist country ends up squashing human rights,
but always at first, trumpets that they're doing it for
human rights
Yea your ol' athiest president sure proves that one with guantanimo
bay skipper.
And the truth is, that atheistic nations are responsible
for more oppression and death, than any other.
you keep believing that mate, right up 'til the time somebody points
out you dont pray like them, and that they are the ones in power btw!
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
08 Aug 2007 02:25:27 PM |
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Vlad the accountant wrote:
This is no different than Russia teaching atheism in schools.
But hey, what a great country that is, huh?
And how exactly would one go about teaching atheism in schools?
Educate them
Present the evidence for all the gods.
Homework would consist of reading what the True Christian fundy says about
all the other True Christian fundies.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
07 Aug 2007 01:56:43 PM |
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In article <gofhb3h26d8pkgfhrb0792nc9hi0tu1np6@4ax.com> Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> writes:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:26 GMT, Ash <ash.amanic@virgin.net>
spoke thusly:
Geoff wrote:
Ash wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct
that they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of
Europe claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but
last June its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" issued a
report ("Committee Report") proposing a ban on intelligent design
(ID) in science classrooms, suggesting ID may pose a "threat to
human rights." Uncommon Descent has covered this issue in detail,
and ARN recently reported that the European Center for Law and
Justice (ECLJ), an ID- friendly legal group affiliated with the
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo
("ECLJ Memo") exposing the Committee Report's hypocrisy.
Well, they would seem to be going a bit far, but a good education is
considered a basic human right and Creationism is indeed a threat to
that.
Believe nothing from the DI and question anything vectored by Strumpet.
Yeah.
I looked up "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" and did find
an article warning against the teaching of creationism. They did seem
to be worried that it could prevent people fro getting a good education,
and also that pandering to religious extremists is a bad thing as a
general principle.
This is no different than Russia teaching atheism in schools.
But hey, what a great country that is, huh?
Quite correct: Russia should by no means be teaching atheism
in schools, and we and Europe should by no means be teaching
"Intelligent Design" in schools.
Incidentally, you do have some references to the effect
that atheism IS officially taught in Russian public
schools? I'd be most interested in seeing them:
-- cary
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
07 Aug 2007 02:23:34 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <gofhb3h26d8pkgfhrb0792nc9hi0tu1np6@4ax.com> Pastor Dave
<noway@nowhere.com> writes:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:26 GMT, Ash <ash.amanic@virgin.net>
spoke thusly:
Geoff wrote:
Ash wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct
that they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of
Europe claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but
last June its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education"
issued a report ("Committee Report") proposing a ban on
intelligent design (ID) in science classrooms, suggesting ID may
pose a "threat to human rights." Uncommon Descent has covered
this issue in detail, and ARN recently reported that the
European Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID- friendly
legal group affiliated with the American Center for Law and
Justice (ACLJ), has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the
Committee Report's hypocrisy.
Well, they would seem to be going a bit far, but a good education
is considered a basic human right and Creationism is indeed a
threat to that.
Believe nothing from the DI and question anything vectored by
Strumpet.
Yeah.
I looked up "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" and did
find an article warning against the teaching of creationism. They
did seem to be worried that it could prevent people fro getting a
good education, and also that pandering to religious extremists is
a bad thing as a general principle.
This is no different than Russia teaching atheism in schools.
But hey, what a great country that is, huh?
Quite correct: Russia should by no means be teaching atheism
in schools, and we and Europe should by no means be teaching
"Intelligent Design" in schools.
Incidentally, you do have some references to the effect
that atheism IS officially taught in Russian public
schools? I'd be most interested in seeing them:
And what could possibly be the lesson plan?
Day 1: There is no god. Class dismissed. Woooo hooooo!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
07 Aug 2007 11:02:19 PM |
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:56:43 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Incidentally, you do have some references to the effect
that atheism IS officially taught in Russian public
schools? I'd be most interested in seeing them:
If they don't indoctrinate the kids into Christianity (the Western
type, not that apostate Russian type), they're teaching atheism, no?
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
08 Aug 2007 11:45:59 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:56:43 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Incidentally, you do have some references to the effect
that atheism IS officially taught in Russian public
schools? I'd be most interested in seeing them:
If they don't indoctrinate the kids into Christianity (the Western
type, not that apostate Russian type), they're teaching atheism, no?
Worse: the commie heathens deliberately purge all references
to BAST (may her milk be warm) from their murderous
socialistic child indoctrinations.
-- cary
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
08 Aug 2007 02:38:36 PM |
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:45:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:56:43 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Incidentally, you do have some references to the effect
that atheism IS officially taught in Russian public
schools? I'd be most interested in seeing them:
If they don't indoctrinate the kids into Christianity (the Western
type, not that apostate Russian type), they're teaching atheism, no?
Worse: the commie heathens deliberately purge all references
to BAST (may her milk be warm) from their murderous
socialistic child indoctrinations.
Those are the ones in which they indoctrinate the children into the
belief that ... HUH?
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
07 Aug 2007 02:11:42 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:26 GMT, Ash <ash.amanic@virgin.net>
spoke thusly:
Geoff wrote:
Ash wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct
that they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of
Europe claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but
last June its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education"
issued a report ("Committee Report") proposing a ban on
intelligent design (ID) in science classrooms, suggesting ID may
pose a "threat to human rights." Uncommon Descent has covered
this issue in detail, and ARN recently reported that the European
Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID- friendly legal group
affiliated with the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ),
has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the Committee Report's
hypocrisy.
Well, they would seem to be going a bit far, but a good education
is considered a basic human right and Creationism is indeed a
threat to that.
Believe nothing from the DI and question anything vectored by
Strumpet.
Yeah.
I looked up "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" and did
find an article warning against the teaching of creationism. They
did seem to be worried that it could prevent people fro getting a
good education, and also that pandering to religious extremists is a
bad thing as a general principle.
This is no different than Russia teaching atheism in schools.
But hey, what a great country that is, huh?
Every atheist country ends up squashing human rights,
but always at first, trumpets that they're doing it for
human rights.
Totally untrue!
A lie. Period
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Europe Attempts To Criminalize Intelligent Design |
07 Aug 2007 02:24:53 PM |
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In article <cv3ui.9261$Ug2.599@bignews4.bellsouth.net> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> writes:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:52:26 GMT, Ash <ash.amanic@virgin.net>
spoke thusly:
Geoff wrote:
Ash wrote:
A hallmark of tyranny is when leaders believe they are so correct
that they have the right to criminalize dissent. The Council of
Europe claims to be a leading "human rights" body in Europe, but
last June its "Committee on Culture, Science and Education"
issued a report ("Committee Report") proposing a ban on
intelligent design (ID) in science classrooms, suggesting ID may
pose a "threat to human rights." Uncommon Descent has covered
this issue in detail, and ARN recently reported that the European
Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ), an ID- friendly legal group
affiliated with the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ),
has written a Memo ("ECLJ Memo") exposing the Committee Report's
hypocrisy.
Well, they would seem to be going a bit far, but a good education
is considered a basic human right and Creationism is indeed a
threat to that.
Believe nothing from the DI and question anything vectored by
Strumpet.
Yeah.
I looked up "Committee on Culture, Science and Education" and did
find an article warning against the teaching of creationism. They
did seem to be worried that it could prevent people fro getting a
good education, and also that pandering to religious extremists is a
bad thing as a general principle.
This is no different than Russia teaching atheism in schools.
But hey, what a great country that is, huh?
Every atheist country ends up squashing human rights,
but always at first, trumpets that they're doing it for
human rights.
Totally untrue!
A lie. Period
I'd be curious what he means by "an atheist country". One
where atheism is somehow an official government policy,
or just one where belief in the supernatural is not
the most common stance.
-- cary
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