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09 Nov 2004 08:54:38 PM |
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European Jews Applaud Bush Win! |
In Europe, some Jews applaud Bush win, while others are reserved
By Ruth E. Gruber
ROME, Nov. 8 (JTA) =97 Politically and emotionally, European Jews are
all over the map in their reaction to President Bush=92s re-election.
Many European Jews share the vehement opposition to Bush and his
aggressive foreign policy that is widespread in Europe.
But others applaud Bush for his staunch support of Israel against the
Palestinians, his tough stand on terrorism and his administration=92s
role in making the fight against anti-Semitism a high-profile
international issue.
While European Jews viewed the election from their own political and
community perspectives, Barry Kosmin, executive director of the
London-based Institution for Jewish Policy Research, said many Jews
appeared to have put Bush=92s foreign policy ahead of their otherwise
liberal feelings.
=93My impression is that there was a little more sympathy for Bush among
Jews than gentiles of equivalent status and education,=94 Kosmin told
JTA.
A Jewish relative summed it up best, Kosmin said: =93If he were American
he=92d vote for Kerry on domestic issues, but since we, European Jews,
are only really affected by foreign policy, then Bush was best since
he was better for Israel and recognized the Islamic terrorist danger
more clearly.=94
Serge Cwajgenbaum, secretary general of the European Jewish Congress,
agreed that support for Israel influenced how European Jews viewed the
election.
=93Without entering into differences which may exist over Bush=92s
domestic policies, many European Jews see him as one of the best
allies of Israel,=94 he said. =93When you consider the unbalanced European
position toward Israel, the U.S. administration has been a key element
in allowing Israel to maintain its international position.=94
In Italy, too, said Annie Sacerdoti, editor of the Milan Jewish
monthly Il Bollettino, the generally liberal views of many Italian
Jews were restrained somewhat by considerations linked to Bush=92s
pro-Israel policy.
=93The fear of change, therefore, led to a somewhat favorable view of
Bush=92s re-election,=94 she told JTA.
But not everyone saw things that way. Claude Hampel, spokesman for the
liberal Bernard Lazare Center in Paris, said he regretted that Kerry
had lost, because =93to move forward toward peace in the Middle East, we
need someone who understands Europe and is more open to cooperation.=94
And Hanno Loewy, a German Jew who directs the Jewish Museum in
Hohenems, Austria, and teaches in Germany, criticized support for Bush
that was based on a perception that =93what is good for Israel is good
for us.=94
That attitude is misguided for two reasons, he told JTA: =93Bush is not
good for Israel, and what is good for Israel and its politics is by no
means necessarily good for =91us,=92 =94 Loewy said.
Jews in Germany, he added, =93still don=92t want to accept that they have
to define their interests independently. Trapped by trauma, hypocrisy
and the desire of adopting a self-image of strong =91self-defense,=92
there is still a lack of sense for a diasporic Jewish identity.=94
Jonathan Joseph, president of the European Council of Jewish
Communities, voiced concern that Bush=92s victory could lead to a
further estrangement between Europe and the United States that in turn
would impact European Jewry.
=93I believe that the election result will see the continuation of a
gradual turning in on itself of American culture and regard for
Europe,=94 Joseph told JTA. =93The Bush victory will see a continuation of
the fundamentalist, crusading foreign policy style that is unlikely to
be sensitive to the subtleties of realpolitik in Europe, and
particularly our relationship with the Muslim communities that are a
part of the same societies in which we live.
=93This leaves European Jewry with the formidable task of being strong
and positive role models in the communities we live in,=94 he added. =93We
need to reach out to all our fellow Europeans and to pass to them all
the best of our beliefs and practices toward a civil and humane
society in Europe. I believe we will be positively surprised by the
effect, over time, of our so doing.=94
Rabbi Moshe Garelik, executive director of the Rabbinical Center of
Europe, a Brussels-based group of Chabad rabbis across Europe, said he
was =93confident that the days ahead will mark an enhanced U.S.
relationship with Europe and its Jewish community, and the next few
years are going to bring positive improvements.=94
He said Bush=92s =93moral values=94 and =93well-known affinity for the Jewi=
sh
community=94 led him to give =93special attention=94 to Jewish issues.
Some European Jews appeared surprised that American Jews had voted
overwhelmingly for Kerry.
=93The British Jewish community has individual preferences, but I do
know that I have relatives in the U.S. who have been lifelong members
of the Democratic party who all voted for Bush,=94 Flo Kaufmann, vice
president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, told JTA. =93I don=92t
believe the polls. All the American Jews I know supported Bush because
of his stance on Israel.=94
Given the attention European media pay to the supposed influence of a
=93Jewish lobby,=94 some European Jews appeared relieved at the American
Jewish vote.
In France, where anti-Bush feeling is particularly strong, Jewish
organizations were keen to play down supposed links between Bush and
the American Jewish community, an issue that was widely covered in the
French press ahead of the election.
Roger Cukierman, president of the CRIF umbrella organization of French
Jews, told the LCI radio station that with more than 70 percent of
U.S. Jews voting for Kerry, =93American Jews are not as influential as
people here like to say they are.=94
Pointing out that Bush had been demonized in France, Cukierman said
that at least Americans had =93sent a message that we have to continue
the fight against international terrorism.=94
Ariel Musicant, head of the Austrian Jewish community, said the Jewish
view there was split, but that Europeans should not try to
second-guess the American electorate.
=93The American election is primarily important for the USA, but it also
shows that Europe cannot wish who will be the president of America.=94
he told JTA.
The election, he said, =93proves again that Europeans should stop their
arrogant approach that they know what is better for America. It=92s not
up to Europe to tell Americans that they are stupid and naive. The
U.S. saved us two times in the world wars and helped build Europe with
the Marshall Plan.=94
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=3DEuropean+Jews+split+
on+Bush+win&intcategoryid=3D2&SearchOptimize=3DJewish+News
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11 Nov 2004 05:56:09 PM |
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"Shalom" <shalom@shalom.il> wrote in message
news:TKMY5YSO38300.8712731482@anonymous.poster...
In Europe, some Jews applaud Bush win, while others are reserved
By Ruth E. Gruber
ROME, Nov. 8 (JTA) - Politically and emotionally, European Jews are
all over the map in their reaction to President Bush's re-election.
Many European Jews share the vehement opposition to Bush and his
aggressive foreign policy that is widespread in Europe.
But others applaud Bush for his staunch support of Israel against the
Palestinians, his tough stand on terrorism and his administration's
role in making the fight against anti-Semitism a high-profile
international issue.
While European Jews viewed the election from their own political and
community perspectives, Barry Kosmin, executive director of the
London-based Institution for Jewish Policy Research, said many Jews
appeared to have put Bush's foreign policy ahead of their otherwise
liberal feelings.
"My impression is that there was a little more sympathy for Bush among
Jews than gentiles of equivalent status and education," Kosmin told
JTA.
A Jewish relative summed it up best, Kosmin said: "If he were American
he'd vote for Kerry on domestic issues, but since we, European Jews,
are only really affected by foreign policy, then Bush was best since
he was better for Israel and recognized the Islamic terrorist danger
more clearly."
Serge Cwajgenbaum, secretary general of the European Jewish Congress,
agreed that support for Israel influenced how European Jews viewed the
election.
"Without entering into differences which may exist over Bush's
domestic policies, many European Jews see him as one of the best
allies of Israel," he said. "When you consider the unbalanced European
position toward Israel, the U.S. administration has been a key element
in allowing Israel to maintain its international position."
In Italy, too, said Annie Sacerdoti, editor of the Milan Jewish
monthly Il Bollettino, the generally liberal views of many Italian
Jews were restrained somewhat by considerations linked to Bush's
pro-Israel policy.
"The fear of change, therefore, led to a somewhat favorable view of
Bush's re-election," she told JTA.
But not everyone saw things that way. Claude Hampel, spokesman for the
liberal Bernard Lazare Center in Paris, said he regretted that Kerry
had lost, because "to move forward toward peace in the Middle East, we
need someone who understands Europe and is more open to cooperation."
And Hanno Loewy, a German Jew who directs the Jewish Museum in
Hohenems, Austria, and teaches in Germany, criticized support for Bush
that was based on a perception that "what is good for Israel is good
for us."
That attitude is misguided for two reasons, he told JTA: "Bush is not
good for Israel, and what is good for Israel and its politics is by no
means necessarily good for 'us,' " Loewy said.
Jews in Germany, he added, "still don't want to accept that they have
to define their interests independently. Trapped by trauma, hypocrisy
and the desire of adopting a self-image of strong 'self-defense,'
there is still a lack of sense for a diasporic Jewish identity."
Jonathan Joseph, president of the European Council of Jewish
Communities, voiced concern that Bush's victory could lead to a
further estrangement between Europe and the United States that in turn
would impact European Jewry.
"I believe that the election result will see the continuation of a
gradual turning in on itself of American culture and regard for
Europe," Joseph told JTA. "The Bush victory will see a continuation of
the fundamentalist, crusading foreign policy style that is unlikely to
be sensitive to the subtleties of realpolitik in Europe, and
particularly our relationship with the Muslim communities that are a
part of the same societies in which we live.
"This leaves European Jewry with the formidable task of being strong
and positive role models in the communities we live in," he added. "We
need to reach out to all our fellow Europeans and to pass to them all
the best of our beliefs and practices toward a civil and humane
society in Europe. I believe we will be positively surprised by the
effect, over time, of our so doing."
Rabbi Moshe Garelik, executive director of the Rabbinical Center of
Europe, a Brussels-based group of Chabad rabbis across Europe, said he
was "confident that the days ahead will mark an enhanced U.S.
relationship with Europe and its Jewish community, and the next few
years are going to bring positive improvements."
He said Bush's "moral values" and "well-known affinity for the Jewish
community" led him to give "special attention" to Jewish issues.
Some European Jews appeared surprised that American Jews had voted
overwhelmingly for Kerry.
"The British Jewish community has individual preferences, but I do
know that I have relatives in the U.S. who have been lifelong members
of the Democratic party who all voted for Bush," Flo Kaufmann, vice
president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, told JTA. "I don't
believe the polls. All the American Jews I know supported Bush because
of his stance on Israel."
Given the attention European media pay to the supposed influence of a
"Jewish lobby," some European Jews appeared relieved at the American
Jewish vote.
In France, where anti-Bush feeling is particularly strong, Jewish
organizations were keen to play down supposed links between Bush and
the American Jewish community, an issue that was widely covered in the
French press ahead of the election.
Roger Cukierman, president of the CRIF umbrella organization of French
Jews, told the LCI radio station that with more than 70 percent of
U.S. Jews voting for Kerry, "American Jews are not as influential as
people here like to say they are."
Pointing out that Bush had been demonized in France, Cukierman said
that at least Americans had "sent a message that we have to continue
the fight against international terrorism."
Ariel Musicant, head of the Austrian Jewish community, said the Jewish
view there was split, but that Europeans should not try to
second-guess the American electorate.
"The American election is primarily important for the USA, but it also
shows that Europe cannot wish who will be the president of America."
he told JTA.
The election, he said, "proves again that Europeans should stop their
arrogant approach that they know what is better for America. It's not
up to Europe to tell Americans that they are stupid and naive. The
U.S. saved us two times in the world wars and helped build Europe with
the Marshall Plan."
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=European+Jews+split+
on+Bush+win&intcategoryid=2&SearchOptimize=Jewish+News
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They damn well better applaud. They control the whole fucking US
government!
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10 Nov 2004 11:09:12 AM |
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More exactly...
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| User: "Bertie the Bunyip" |
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10 Nov 2004 02:08:59 AM |
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Shalom <shalom@shalom.il> wrote in
news:TKMY5YSO38300.8712731482@anonymous.poster:
In Europe, some Jews applaud Bush win, while others are reserved
By Ruth E. Gruber
Good Grief.Presumably this cow gets paid for this.
"Breaking news! Night turns to day, day turns to night"
Bertie
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