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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "HVAC"
Date: 17 Dec 2005 07:20:44 AM
Object: Europeons Whine About Internet
Dvorak-
In a headline-grabbing comment last week, Pinto Balsem=E3o, head of the
European Publishers Council, said that the Internet cannot continue to
be free, as it has been for the last decade. He wasn't suggesting that
publishers make all their sites pay-per-view, but that search engines
could not and should not be able to search for content freely. The
gripe was aimed directly at Google, but it seemed to me that it was
also a broadside against bloggers, podcasters, and even academicians,
as Balsem=E3o was attacking fair-use principles, too.
His most telling remark was reported everywhere: "It is fascinating to
see how these companies 'help themselves' to copyright-protected
material, build up their own business models around what they have
collected, and parasitically, earn advertising revenue off the back of
other people's content." This is like saying that the travel industry
and the airlines are building up their business models around cities
like Paris-making money from other people's hard work.
Is there some convoluted European logic here that eludes me? Take
publisher A. Put A's content online. Does publisher A make more money
or less without Google in the picture? Does its site have more visitors
or fewer without Google in the picture? All these jokers have stat
packages. They know exactly how many visitors come directly from a
Google search. My educated guess: At least a third of all visitors come
via Google or some other search mechanism. So by this weird logic, this
additional attention is somehow bad.
And what's with this notion that Google is "helping itself"? Are there
Google books that are simply copies of other books? Is that what he's
imagining? If I were this guy, I'd be more concerned about Google
charging hard money to be included in its search engine. "Yeah, we'll
index you and put you on the search engine-FOR A FEE!" That's the
fear Americans have regarding Google. We're apparently smarter than
Europeans.
For all practical purposes, Google, Yahoo!, and MSN are doing the
online publishers a huge favor by expediting the personal research and
discovery process, as will anyone who wants to get into this game in
the future. This is hardly "helping themselves."
ADVERTISEMENT Google makes money by operating a complex software system
that includes a specialized ad server. And it needs to spend a lot of
money in overhead to sell those ads, too. This is not a free ride. So
what's really going on here? Isn't this really about Europeans' simple
jealousy and resentfulness? Google is an American company. Yahoo! is an
American company. AOL is an American company. Microsoft is an American
company. These companies control search worldwide. Balsem=E3o and the
Europeans hate the situation, and this is one time they cannot blame
George Bush. This time it's their own sluggish reaction time and lack
of vision that allowed this situation to happen.
This complaint does point out that the copyright laws are flawed and
old-fashioned, though. And these laws must be fixed. By some
interpretations, caching a New York Times article on your hard drive is
a violation of copyright law, but since the The New York Times is
online and the browser in conjunction with the operating system does
this caching for you, how is the individual responsible? Should
Microsoft be sued for an ongoing broad-ranging copyright breach?
Balsem=E3o probably thinks so.
Since every judge in the world probably uses Google to get his work
done efficiently, you can be certain that nothing will come from these
complaints. Although you never know. I wouldn't be surprised if someone
in Europe began to demand that Google be nationalized.
In fact, it's too late for these sorts of complaints. And this
particular Balsem=E3o complaint is stupid, na=EFve, idealistic, and
counterproductive. In fact, it's reactionary. How many people who use
computers in the 21st century go a single day without hitting the
Google site once or twice?
.

User: "Heid The Baw"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 10:51:14 PM
"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134825644.558441.44330@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dvorak-
How many people who use
computers in the 21st century go a single day without hitting the
Google site once or twice?
When I started using the Internet there was no Google and we used a CERN
search engine - European.
Tam
.
User: "Dr P"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 18 Dec 2005 11:46:23 AM
In message <4V5pf.8689$vH5.445987@news.xtra.co.nz>, Heid The Baw
<baw@heiding.com> writes


"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134825644.558441.44330@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dvorak-

How many people who use
computers in the 21st century go a single day without hitting the
Google site once or twice?

When I started using the Internet there was no Google and we used a CERN
search engine - European.

Tam


google is not the be all and end all. the long established alta vista
(once very popular) picks up things that google doesn't. it's nice to
see that.
Dr P
.


User: "3D Master"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 06:32:04 PM
HVAC wrote:

Dvorak-

In a headline-grabbing comment last week, Pinto Balsemão, head of the
European Publishers Council, said that the Internet cannot continue to
be free, as it has been for the last decade. He wasn't suggesting that
publishers make all their sites pay-per-view, but that search engines
could not and should not be able to search for content freely. The
gripe was aimed directly at Google, but it seemed to me that it was
also a broadside against bloggers, podcasters, and even academicians,
as Balsemão was attacking fair-use principles, too.

His most telling remark was reported everywhere: "It is fascinating to
see how these companies 'help themselves' to copyright-protected
material, build up their own business models around what they have
collected, and parasitically, earn advertising revenue off the back of
other people's content." This is like saying that the travel industry
and the airlines are building up their business models around cities
like Paris-making money from other people's hard work.

Is there some convoluted European logic here that eludes me? Take
publisher A. Put A's content online. Does publisher A make more money
or less without Google in the picture? Does its site have more visitors
or fewer without Google in the picture? All these jokers have stat
packages. They know exactly how many visitors come directly from a
Google search. My educated guess: At least a third of all visitors come
via Google or some other search mechanism. So by this weird logic, this
additional attention is somehow bad.

And what's with this notion that Google is "helping itself"? Are there
Google books that are simply copies of other books? Is that what he's
imagining? If I were this guy, I'd be more concerned about Google
charging hard money to be included in its search engine. "Yeah, we'll
index you and put you on the search engine-FOR A FEE!" That's the
fear Americans have regarding Google. We're apparently smarter than
Europeans.

For all practical purposes, Google, Yahoo!, and MSN are doing the
online publishers a huge favor by expediting the personal research and
discovery process, as will anyone who wants to get into this game in
the future. This is hardly "helping themselves."

ADVERTISEMENT Google makes money by operating a complex software system
that includes a specialized ad server. And it needs to spend a lot of
money in overhead to sell those ads, too. This is not a free ride. So
what's really going on here? Isn't this really about Europeans' simple
jealousy and resentfulness? Google is an American company. Yahoo! is an
American company. AOL is an American company. Microsoft is an American
company. These companies control search worldwide. Balsemão and the
Europeans hate the situation, and this is one time they cannot blame
George Bush. This time it's their own sluggish reaction time and lack
of vision that allowed this situation to happen.

This complaint does point out that the copyright laws are flawed and
old-fashioned, though. And these laws must be fixed. By some
interpretations, caching a New York Times article on your hard drive is
a violation of copyright law, but since the The New York Times is
online and the browser in conjunction with the operating system does
this caching for you, how is the individual responsible? Should
Microsoft be sued for an ongoing broad-ranging copyright breach?
Balsemão probably thinks so.

Since every judge in the world probably uses Google to get his work
done efficiently, you can be certain that nothing will come from these
complaints. Although you never know. I wouldn't be surprised if someone
in Europe began to demand that Google be nationalized.

In fact, it's too late for these sorts of complaints. And this
particular Balsemão complaint is stupid, naïve, idealistic, and
counterproductive. In fact, it's reactionary. How many people who use
computers in the 21st century go a single day without hitting the
Google site once or twice?

:rolleyes: Sweety, I'm European; and that guy's ideas have nothing to do
with Europe other than the fact he's a European. Those ideas are also
stupid.
3D Master
--
~~~~~
"I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!"
- The Kurgan, Highlander
"Give me some sugar, baby!"
- Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness
~~~~~
Author of several stories, which can be found here:
http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/
.

User: "Matt Giwer"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 09:47:18 PM
HVAC wrote:

Dvorak-
In a headline-grabbing comment last week, Pinto Balsemão, head of the
European Publishers Council, said that the Internet cannot continue to
be free, as it has been for the last decade. He wasn't suggesting that
publishers make all their sites pay-per-view, but that search engines
could not and should not be able to search for content freely. The
gripe was aimed directly at Google, but it seemed to me that it was
also a broadside against bloggers, podcasters, and even academicians,
as Balsemão was attacking fair-use principles, too.

Back in the dark ages when search engines first started this exact issue arose. At that time the
search companies had the robots.txt "protocol" introduced. Files listed in robots.txt are off-limits
to search engines and the search companies honor it. If a website wants nothing to be indexed a
simple * as the only character in the file keeps the entire website from being indexed.
--
The nearest thing the US has had to AIPAC was the German-American
Bund in the 1930s.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3545
nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
Iraqi democracy http://www.giwersworld.org/911/armless.phtml a3
.

User: "Dr P"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 01:13:25 PM
In message <1134825644.558441.44330@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, HVAC
<MR.HVAC@gmail.com> writes

Dvorak-

In a headline-grabbing comment last week, Pinto Balsemão, head of the
European Publishers Council, said that the Internet cannot continue to
be free, as it has been for the last decade. He wasn't suggesting that
publishers make all their sites pay-per-view, but that search engines
could not and should not be able to search for content freely. The
gripe was aimed directly at Google, but it seemed to me that it was
also a broadside against bloggers, podcasters, and even academicians,
as Balsemão was attacking fair-use principles, too.

His most telling remark was reported everywhere: "It is fascinating to
see how these companies 'help themselves' to copyright-protected
material, build up their own business models around what they have
collected, and parasitically, earn advertising revenue off the back of
other people's content." This is like saying that the travel industry
and the airlines are building up their business models around cities
like Paris-making money from other people's hard work.

Is there some convoluted European logic here that eludes me? Take
publisher A. Put A's content online. Does publisher A make more money
or less without Google in the picture? Does its site have more visitors
or fewer without Google in the picture? All these jokers have stat
packages. They know exactly how many visitors come directly from a
Google search. My educated guess: At least a third of all visitors come
via Google or some other search mechanism. So by this weird logic, this
additional attention is somehow bad.

And what's with this notion that Google is "helping itself"? Are there
Google books that are simply copies of other books? Is that what he's
imagining? If I were this guy, I'd be more concerned about Google
charging hard money to be included in its search engine. "Yeah, we'll
index you and put you on the search engine-FOR A FEE!" That's the
fear Americans have regarding Google. We're apparently smarter than
Europeans.

For all practical purposes, Google, Yahoo!, and MSN are doing the
online publishers a huge favor by expediting the personal research and
discovery process, as will anyone who wants to get into this game in
the future. This is hardly "helping themselves."

ADVERTISEMENT Google makes money by operating a complex software system
that includes a specialized ad server. And it needs to spend a lot of
money in overhead to sell those ads, too. This is not a free ride. So
what's really going on here? Isn't this really about Europeans' simple
jealousy and resentfulness? Google is an American company. Yahoo! is an
American company. AOL is an American company. Microsoft is an American
company. These companies control search worldwide. Balsemão and the
Europeans hate the situation, and this is one time they cannot blame
George Bush. This time it's their own sluggish reaction time and lack
of vision that allowed this situation to happen.

This complaint does point out that the copyright laws are flawed and
old-fashioned, though. And these laws must be fixed. By some
interpretations, caching a New York Times article on your hard drive is
a violation of copyright law, but since the The New York Times is
online and the browser in conjunction with the operating system does
this caching for you, how is the individual responsible? Should
Microsoft be sued for an ongoing broad-ranging copyright breach?
Balsemão probably thinks so.

Since every judge in the world probably uses Google to get his work
done efficiently, you can be certain that nothing will come from these
complaints. Although you never know. I wouldn't be surprised if someone
in Europe began to demand that Google be nationalized.

In fact, it's too late for these sorts of complaints. And this
particular Balsemão complaint is stupid, naïve, idealistic, and
counterproductive. In fact, it's reactionary. How many people who use
computers in the 21st century go a single day without hitting the
Google site once or twice?

the brussel bureaucrats hate business and business success. they love
regulation...it keeps them in work.
without regulation they are little nothings.
they regulate we british about sausages and bananas (both must be
straight) and about lbs and ozs - both terms and their use are banned in
shops/supermarkets and markets. now they are gunning for the pint, the
bastards.
dr P
.
User: "Twittering One"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 01:20:25 PM
"Europeons Whine Arctic Terns
They regulate we british about sausages and bananas
(both must be
straight) and about lbs and ozs ..."
~ Dr P
"You will always be my Heroine ~
But I want to fly with an Arctic Tern,
Too ..."
~ Twittering
.
User: "Twittering One"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 01:22:29 PM
"But what of 4 Pounds
Sterling ~ ?"
~ Folly
.
User: "Dr P"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 01:43:26 PM
In message <1134847349.245334.107770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Twittering One <mournenwould@aol.com> writes

"But what of 4 Pounds
Sterling ~ ?"
~ Folly

we can still use pounds, but we must not use lbs.
dr P
.
User: "Twittering One"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 02:01:46 PM
"We can still use pounds,
But we must not use lbs."
~ dr P
"Liter. Too, we must locate
The whereabouts of Liebe,
Petite blanc chien, off her chain,
Forepaw forebear de Leonardo."
~ Folly
.



User: "Dr P"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 01:42:23 PM
In message <1134847225.369303.209570@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Twittering One <mournenwould@aol.com> writes

"Europeons Whine Arctic Terns
They regulate we british about sausages and bananas
(both must be
straight) and about lbs and ozs ..."
~ Dr P

"You will always be my Heroine ~
But I want to fly with an Arctic Tern,
Too ..."
~ Twittering

the tern of the year is almost upon us. or has she already come?
A NOCTURNAL UPON ST. LUCY'S DAY,
BEING THE SHORTEST DAY.
by John Donne
'TIS the year's midnight, and it is the day's,
Lucy's, who scarce seven hours herself unmasks ;
The sun is spent, and now his flasks
Send forth light squibs, no constant rays ;
The world's whole sap is sunk ;
The general balm th' hydroptic earth hath drunk,
Whither, as to the bed's-feet, life is shrunk,
Dead and interr'd ; yet all these seem to laugh,
Compared with me, who am their epitaph.
Study me then, you who shall lovers be
At the next world, that is, at the next spring ;
For I am every dead thing,
In whom Love wrought new alchemy.
For his art did express
A quintessence even from nothingness,
From dull privations, and lean emptiness ;
He ruin'd me, and I am re-begot
Of absence, darkness, death—things which are not.
All others, from all things, draw all that's good,
Life, soul, form, spirit, whence they being have ;
I, by Love's limbec, am the grave
Of all, that's nothing. Oft a flood
Have we two wept, and so
Drown'd the whole world, us two ; oft did we grow,
To be two chaoses, when we did show
Care to aught else ; and often absences
Withdrew our souls, and made us carcasses.
But I am by her death—which word wrongs her—
Of the first nothing the elixir grown ;
Were I a man, that I were one
I needs must know ; I should prefer,
If I were any beast,
Some ends, some means ; yea plants, yea stones detest,
And love ; all, all some properties invest.
If I an ordinary nothing were,
As shadow, a light, and body must be here.
But I am none ; nor will my sun renew.
You lovers, for whose sake the lesser sun
At this time to the Goat is run
To fetch new lust, and give it you,
Enjoy your summer all,
Since she enjoys her long night's festival.
Let me prepare towards her, and let me call
This hour her vigil, and her eve, since this
Both the year's and the day's deep midnight is.
--
.
User: "Twittering One"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 02:19:48 PM
"The tern of the year is almost upon us,
Or has she already come ~ ?"
~ Dr P
"Study me then, you who shall lovers be
At the next world, that is, at the next spring ;
For I am every dead thing,
In whom Love wrought new alchemy.
For his art did express
A quintessence even from nothingness,
From dull privations, and lean emptiness ;
He ruin'd me, and I am re-begot
Of absence, darkness, death ~ things which are not."
~ Donne
"Of presence, light, life ~ things which breath,
You birthed me, and I am transformed

From sparkling inhalations, unseen fecundity;

A knowing known from earliness
For if late, even finer begotten,
For if late, never forgotten,
For you, in whom my Love bears eternal.
For I am living for you, if oft before dead,
For I am yours every life, if late, my living
Awaiting ~
At the next world, or step of my stair,
As the Winter Solstice sparkles
The day after tomorrow
Light of Noir
On newly fallen snow.
For, you, O, Lover, I do know.
Study me then, you who are my Lover
Before, as now."
~ Twittering
.

User: "Twittering One"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 17 Dec 2005 01:55:31 PM
~ * ~
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Sign
Says ~
~ * ~
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~ * ~ A Sign, A Boarded Shingle
Hung Out TO Dry ~ * ~
| * Theatrum * Orbis * Terrarum * |
_________________________________________
~ * THIS IS A PRINTING
OFFICE * ~
"Cross ~ roads of Civilization,
Refuge of all the Arts
Against the Ravages of Time."
~ The Cavendish Gallery
Of Print, Virtues, Devices,
& Typography
~ * ~ ~
Cartography Globes
Playing Cards Musical Scores
Scientific & Navigational
Instrumental Occasions Etcetera
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User: "Nightshade"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 18 Dec 2005 03:45:05 AM
In message <1134825644.558441.44330@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
HVAC
<MR.HVAC@gmail.com> writes

Dvorak-

In a headline-grabbing comment last week, Pinto Balsemão, head of the
European Publishers Council, said that the Internet cannot continue to
be free, as it has been for the last decade. He wasn't suggesting that
publishers make all their sites pay-per-view, but that search engines
could not and should not be able to search for content freely. The
gripe was aimed directly at Google, but it seemed to me that it was
also a broadside against bloggers, podcasters, and even academicians,
as Balsemão was attacking fair-use principles, too.

His most telling remark was reported everywhere: "It is fascinating to
see how these companies 'help themselves' to copyright-protected
material, build up their own business models around what they have
collected, and parasitically, earn advertising revenue off the back of
other people's content." This is like saying that the travel industry
and the airlines are building up their business models around cities
like Paris-making money from other people's hard work.

Is there some convoluted European logic here that eludes me?

Not at all. It is standard inter-business whinging.
In this case, the search engines are making money, for apparently
doing nothing, and others are jealous, so the search engines are
(insert your own derogatory description), and must be stopped.
.


User: "Hagar"

Title: Re: Europeons Whine About Internet 18 Dec 2005 11:20:18 AM
Leave the Internet alone, you Europukes ... Al Gore invented that, so don't
go messing with it.
P.S. John Kerry invented Ketchup, retroactively ..
"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134825644.558441.44330@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dvorak-
In a headline-grabbing comment last week, Pinto Balsemão, head of the
European Publishers Council, said that the Internet cannot continue to
be free, as it has been for the last decade. He wasn't suggesting that
publishers make all their sites pay-per-view, but that search engines
could not and should not be able to search for content freely. The
gripe was aimed directly at Google, but it seemed to me that it was
also a broadside against bloggers, podcasters, and even academicians,
as Balsemão was attacking fair-use principles, too.
His most telling remark was reported everywhere: "It is fascinating to
see how these companies 'help themselves' to copyright-protected
material, build up their own business models around what they have
collected, and parasitically, earn advertising revenue off the back of
other people's content." This is like saying that the travel industry
and the airlines are building up their business models around cities
like Paris-making money from other people's hard work.
Is there some convoluted European logic here that eludes me? Take
publisher A. Put A's content online. Does publisher A make more money
or less without Google in the picture? Does its site have more visitors
or fewer without Google in the picture? All these jokers have stat
packages. They know exactly how many visitors come directly from a
Google search. My educated guess: At least a third of all visitors come
via Google or some other search mechanism. So by this weird logic, this
additional attention is somehow bad.
And what's with this notion that Google is "helping itself"? Are there
Google books that are simply copies of other books? Is that what he's
imagining? If I were this guy, I'd be more concerned about Google
charging hard money to be included in its search engine. "Yeah, we'll
index you and put you on the search engine-FOR A FEE!" That's the
fear Americans have regarding Google. We're apparently smarter than
Europeans.
For all practical purposes, Google, Yahoo!, and MSN are doing the
online publishers a huge favor by expediting the personal research and
discovery process, as will anyone who wants to get into this game in
the future. This is hardly "helping themselves."
ADVERTISEMENT Google makes money by operating a complex software system
that includes a specialized ad server. And it needs to spend a lot of
money in overhead to sell those ads, too. This is not a free ride. So
what's really going on here? Isn't this really about Europeans' simple
jealousy and resentfulness? Google is an American company. Yahoo! is an
American company. AOL is an American company. Microsoft is an American
company. These companies control search worldwide. Balsemão and the
Europeans hate the situation, and this is one time they cannot blame
George Bush. This time it's their own sluggish reaction time and lack
of vision that allowed this situation to happen.
This complaint does point out that the copyright laws are flawed and
old-fashioned, though. And these laws must be fixed. By some
interpretations, caching a New York Times article on your hard drive is
a violation of copyright law, but since the The New York Times is
online and the browser in conjunction with the operating system does
this caching for you, how is the individual responsible? Should
Microsoft be sued for an ongoing broad-ranging copyright breach?
Balsemão probably thinks so.
Since every judge in the world probably uses Google to get his work
done efficiently, you can be certain that nothing will come from these
complaints. Although you never know. I wouldn't be surprised if someone
in Europe began to demand that Google be nationalized.
In fact, it's too late for these sorts of complaints. And this
particular Balsemão complaint is stupid, naïve, idealistic, and
counterproductive. In fact, it's reactionary. How many people who use
computers in the 21st century go a single day without hitting the
Google site once or twice?
.


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