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"Mike Painter" |
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06 Oct 2006 04:35:26 AM |
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Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall, more
than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the biggest names
in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current trends
continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing Christians"
as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35 percent of the
current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65 percent of the World
War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt like a
tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
http://shorterlink.co.uk/6033
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Take a CPR class and get your community involved in an AED program.
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| User: "DaveJr" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 04:52:20 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:i2lVg.9088$GR.4419@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall,
more
than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the
biggest names
in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if
current trends
continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing
Christians"
as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35 percent of
the
current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65 percent of
the World
War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt
like a
tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
http://shorterlink.co.uk/6033
That's precisely why they're going after the public education
institutions with thier psudo-science. You can believe that
the earth is flat for so long before the obvious truth happens.
Gravity doesn't care what you believe, it drops everybody
the same.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 02:33:21 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:52:20 -0600, DaveJr wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:i2lVg.9088$GR.4419@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall,
more
than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the
biggest names
in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if
current trends
continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing
Christians"
as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35 percent of
the
current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65 percent of
the World
War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt
like a
tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
http://shorterlink.co.uk/6033
That's precisely why they're going after the public education institutions
with thier psudo-science. You can believe that the earth is flat for so
long before the obvious truth happens. Gravity doesn't care what you
believe, it drops everybody the same.
I believe it was Carl Sagan who said something to the effect that the
Universe is remarkably insensitive to our prejudices.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 08:55:23 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:i2lVg.9088
$GR.4419@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
Subject: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers
They should fear it; we teach them to think!
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Doc Smartass
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of
words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people
who must use the words. - Philip K. *****
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 08:23:44 PM |
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If they stop being a evangelical, then how can they be evangelical
teenagers.
Use of such terminalogy makes me want to spew
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 08:24:03 PM |
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If they stop being a evangelical, then how can they be evangelical
teenagers. Teenagers of evangelical parents maybe, but that's it.
Use of such terminalogy makes me want to spew
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 01:34:39 PM |
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Mike Painter ha escrito:
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall, more
than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the biggest names
in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current trends
continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing Christians"
as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35 percent of the
current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65 percent of the World
War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt like a
tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
http://shorterlink.co.uk/6033
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Take a CPR class and get your community involved in an AED program.
The more fanatically are they trying to chain the young people, the
less believers they would have in twenty year from now.
Religion is bearable for most peopel, if the yoke is light and pressure
used does not sofocate the young believer. But they are over working
the young people, loading their backs with too much weight.
Leopoldo
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
10 Oct 2006 05:52:28 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall, more
than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the biggest names
in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current trends
continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing Christians"
as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35 percent of the
current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65 percent of the World
War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt like a
tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
http://shorterlink.co.uk/6033
"I'm looking at the data," said Ron Luce, who organized the
meetings and founded Teen Mania, a 20-year-old youth ministry, "and
we've become post-Christian America, like post-Christian Europe.
We've been working as hard as we know how to work - everyone in
youth ministry is working hard - but we're losing."
<ducks around corner>
<snif>
...huh? What? No, I'm NOT crying. Well, OK...but they're tears of joy!!
Shaddap and pass me a kleenex. And hey, what's *this*?:
"Correction: Oct. 7, 2006
A front-page article yesterday about evangelical Christian teenagers
gave an incorrect academic credential for Ron Luce, the founder of Teen
Mania, a youth ministry that organizes "Acquire the Fire" stadium
events. He is a graduate of the Harvard University Graduate School of
Business Administration, where he received a certificate from the Owner
President Management program. He did not earn a master's degree from
the school."
ROFLMAO! Another fucking christian lying about his credentials. Luce
and Gasbag should go out for drinks sometime.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 08:34:59 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said
they felt like a tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools
and neighborhoods."
Don't suppose it has anything to do with what their parents
and grandparents have been up to.... oh, no... not that...
perish the thought.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
10 Oct 2006 12:10:19 AM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 13:34:59 -0700, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Mike Painter wrote:
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said
they felt like a tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools
and neighborhoods."
Don't suppose it has anything to do with what their parents
and grandparents have been up to.... oh, no... not that...
perish the thought.
Via myraid ways.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 04:05:40 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:35:26 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall, more
than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the biggest
names in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current
trends continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing
Christians" as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35
percent of the current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65
percent of the World War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt like a
tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
http://shorterlink.co.uk/6033
I envy the sense of enlightenment that fundie adolescents experience the
first time they leave their nest an meet "normal", secular people.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
10 Oct 2006 12:07:36 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:35:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall, more
than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the biggest names
in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current trends
continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing Christians"
as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35 percent of the
current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65 percent of the World
War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt like a
tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
http://shorterlink.co.uk/6033
That's because they are somewhat restrained and can't bug the hell out
of people like they want to.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 08:00:54 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:35:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall, more
than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the biggest names
in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current trends
continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing Christians"
as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35 percent of the
current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65 percent of the World
War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt like a
tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
If that is the case and they abandon their religion on those grounds
it shows how shallow the religion is. Of course that might just be
the excuse they need to abandon something they do not truly
believe or will it just be a faux 'rejecting god' 'atheist' phase
they enter so that in a few years they will be 'reborn' firmer in
their belief than ever before hating their being tempted into
'hating god' like the 'atheists' do? A kind of Amsih teenager thing
where, after years of conditioning they go into the 'big-city' see
all the bad things they want to see and return firmer in their
beliefs.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
06 Oct 2006 12:47:58 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:00:54 +0100, Les Hellawell wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:35:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall,
more than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the
biggest names in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current
trends continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing
Christians" as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35
percent of the current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65
percent of the World War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt like
a tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
If that is the case and they abandon their religion on those grounds it
shows how shallow the religion is. Of course that might just be the
excuse they need to abandon something they do not truly believe or will
it just be a faux 'rejecting god' 'atheist' phase they enter so that in
a few years they will be 'reborn' firmer in their belief than ever
before hating their being tempted into 'hating god' like the 'atheists'
do? A kind of Amsih teenager thing where, after years of conditioning
they go into the 'big-city' see all the bad things they want to see and
return firmer in their beliefs.
The evangelical/fundie explanation of why teens are leaving is
rationalization. I mean, they *can't say, "Well, we got caught not having
any evidence for anything we believe." They *must say things like (from
the article):
"Genuine alarm can be heard from Christian teenagers and youth pastors, who
say they cannot compete against a pervasive culture of cynicism about
religion, and the casual 'hooking up' approach to sex so pervasive on MTV,
on Web sites for teenagers and in hip-hop, rap and rock music. Divorced
parents and dysfunctional families also lead some teenagers to avoid
church entirely or to drift away."
It's the same old screed, people become atheist so they can drink, smoke,
and *****.
Yawn.
As a former fundie, I can tell you one factor contributing to teens
leaving: kids are highly sensitive to hypocrisy in adults. And if you're
raised in it, *boy do you get to see a lot of it up close and personal...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals Fear the Loss of Their Teenagers |
10 Oct 2006 12:09:18 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:47:58 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:00:54 +0100, Les Hellawell wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:35:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"At an unusual series of leadership meetings in 44 cities this fall,
more than 6,000 pastors are hearing dire forecasts from some of the
biggest names in the conservative evangelical movement.
Their alarm has been stoked by a highly suspect claim that if current
trends continue, only 4 percent of teenagers will be "Bible-believing
Christians" as adults. That would be a sharp decline compared with 35
percent of the current generation of baby boomers, and before that, 65
percent of the World War II generation. "
"Over and over in interviews, evangelical teenagers said they felt like
a tiny, beleaguered minority in their schools and neighborhoods."
If that is the case and they abandon their religion on those grounds it
shows how shallow the religion is. Of course that might just be the
excuse they need to abandon something they do not truly believe or will
it just be a faux 'rejecting god' 'atheist' phase they enter so that in
a few years they will be 'reborn' firmer in their belief than ever
before hating their being tempted into 'hating god' like the 'atheists'
do? A kind of Amsih teenager thing where, after years of conditioning
they go into the 'big-city' see all the bad things they want to see and
return firmer in their beliefs.
The evangelical/fundie explanation of why teens are leaving is
rationalization. I mean, they *can't say, "Well, we got caught not having
any evidence for anything we believe." They *must say things like (from
the article):
"Genuine alarm can be heard from Christian teenagers and youth pastors, who
say they cannot compete against a pervasive culture of cynicism about
religion, and the casual 'hooking up' approach to sex so pervasive on MTV,
on Web sites for teenagers and in hip-hop, rap and rock music. Divorced
parents and dysfunctional families also lead some teenagers to avoid
church entirely or to drift away."
It's the same old screed, people become atheist so they can drink, smoke,
and *****.
Yawn.
As a former fundie, I can tell you one factor contributing to teens
leaving: kids are highly sensitive to hypocrisy in adults. And if you're
raised in it, *boy do you get to see a lot of it up close and personal...
Heh. And these people are unable to grasp that point.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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