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"No One" |
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31 Mar 2004 11:41:07 PM |
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Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
It seems a bunch of San Jose's Evangelical residents want to recall
the mayor and the city council (or most of it) over a same-sex
marriage flap. The city passed a law giving married same-sex couples
the same benefits given to other married city employees *provided*
that the marriages are determined to be legal by the courts. Mostly
the additional benefits are things like not having to wait until an
"open enrollment" period before coverage starts - things married
couples take for granted. The "Christians" are apparently a rather
hateful and mean spirited lot - in some cases the people being
denied immediate coverage are adopted children.
Not all Christians are pleased with these antics and are getting tired
of these Evangelicals trying to speak for them. But we know which
"Christians" George Bush is supporting, and he probably doesn't
realize how many votes he'll lose over it.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
03 Apr 2004 12:26:10 PM |
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On 3 Apr 2004 05:55:11 GMT, "Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@freeway.com>, Message ID:
<Xns94C08E5D3F154Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177> wrote in alt.atheism;
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> astounded us with:
news:c4k41a$2i4j8h$3@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de:
Phÿltêr wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> astounded us with:
news:c4jia5$2jfk32$2@ID- 220941.news.uni-berlin.de:
Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article <4090eb4d.28928359@netnews.mchsi.com>, Craig Chilton
wrote:
The "evangelicals," of course, are the RRR cultists... and they
don't even BEGIN to represent the views of **normal**, fair-minded,
tolerant, and sensible Christians, who outnumber them IMMENSELY.
Perhaps so -- but so what?
If you'll pardon the paraphrase: All it takes for Christian
extremism to prosper is that good Chrisitans do nothing.
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are for
stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and holy wars.
Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who would be rounded up
in the first day; they would need to built a new jail to house these
nuts.
Matt
Not necessarily, a room full of shower heads and no apparent drains is
one final solution. Did I say "final"? How crass of me....
It's already been done, but not done enough.
The death penalty is too harsh.
Bush doesn't have a problem with it...
Because he's not the recipient.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
03 Apr 2004 12:27:06 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On 3 Apr 2004 05:55:11 GMT, "Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@freeway.com>, Message
ID: <Xns94C08E5D3F154Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> astounded us with:
news:c4k41a$2i4j8h$3@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de:
Phÿltêr wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> astounded us with:
news:c4jia5$2jfk32$2@ID- 220941.news.uni-berlin.de:
Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article <4090eb4d.28928359@netnews.mchsi.com>, Craig Chilton
wrote:
The "evangelicals," of course, are the RRR cultists... and they
don't even BEGIN to represent the views of **normal**,
fair-minded, tolerant, and sensible Christians, who outnumber
them IMMENSELY.
Perhaps so -- but so what?
If you'll pardon the paraphrase: All it takes for Christian
extremism to prosper is that good Chrisitans do nothing.
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are
for stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and
holy wars. Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who
would be rounded up in the first day; they would need to built a
new jail to house these
nuts.
Matt
Not necessarily, a room full of shower heads and no apparent
drains is one final solution. Did I say "final"? How crass of
me....
It's already been done, but not done enough.
The death penalty is too harsh.
Bush doesn't have a problem with it...
Because he's not the recipient.
Yet.....
--
"Reports that say something hasn't happened are always
interesting to me, because as we know, there are known
knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know
there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there
are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld,
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| User: "stoney" |
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04 Apr 2004 01:49:39 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 18:27:06 GMT, "Light Templar"
<I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM>, Message ID:
<_lDbc.13185$Dv2.10627@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
On 3 Apr 2004 05:55:11 GMT, "Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@freeway.com>, Message
ID: <Xns94C08E5D3F154Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> astounded us with:
news:c4k41a$2i4j8h$3@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de:
Phÿltêr wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> astounded us with:
news:c4jia5$2jfk32$2@ID- 220941.news.uni-berlin.de:
Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article <4090eb4d.28928359@netnews.mchsi.com>, Craig Chilton
wrote:
The "evangelicals," of course, are the RRR cultists... and they
don't even BEGIN to represent the views of **normal**,
fair-minded, tolerant, and sensible Christians, who outnumber
them IMMENSELY.
Perhaps so -- but so what?
If you'll pardon the paraphrase: All it takes for Christian
extremism to prosper is that good Chrisitans do nothing.
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are
for stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and
holy wars. Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who
would be rounded up in the first day; they would need to built a
new jail to house these
nuts.
Matt
Not necessarily, a room full of shower heads and no apparent
drains is one final solution. Did I say "final"? How crass of
me....
It's already been done, but not done enough.
The death penalty is too harsh.
Bush doesn't have a problem with it...
Because he's not the recipient.
Yet.....
The world wouldn't get that lucky. Shrub is bad, but is there worse?
--
"Reports that say something hasn't happened are always
interesting to me, because as we know, there are known
knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know
there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there
are some things we do not know. But there are also
unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."
-- Donald Rumsfeld,
What a blithering idiot.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
02 Apr 2004 05:55:43 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:20:35 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c4jia5$2jfk32$2@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article <4090eb4d.28928359@netnews.mchsi.com>, Craig Chilton
wrote:
The "evangelicals," of course, are the RRR cultists... and they
don't even BEGIN to represent the views of **normal**, fair-minded,
tolerant, and sensible Christians, who outnumber them IMMENSELY.
Perhaps so -- but so what?
If you'll pardon the paraphrase: All it takes for Christian
extremism to prosper is that good Chrisitans do nothing.
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are for
stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and holy wars.
Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who would be rounded up
in the first day; they would need to built a new jail to house these nuts.
Perhaps the state of Rhode Island would suffice...... :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Matt" |
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03 Apr 2004 12:55:14 AM |
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Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are for
stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and holy wars.
Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who would be rounded up
in the first day; they would need to built a new jail to house these nuts.
Perhaps the state of Rhode Island would suffice...... :)
Na, put them on Stewart Island in New Zealand. Its fucking cold and
misserable every day of the year.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Poster Boy" |
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03 Apr 2004 01:13:07 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:55:14 +1000, Matt
<kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are for
stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and holy wars.
Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who would be rounded up
in the first day; they would need to built a new jail to house these nuts.
Perhaps the state of Rhode Island would suffice...... :)
Na, put them on Stewart Island in New Zealand. Its fucking cold and
misserable every day of the year.
They would love it there! It's as cold as their hearts and
as miserable as their lives.
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| User: "stoney" |
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04 Apr 2004 01:51:54 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:13:07 -0500, Poster Boy
<PosterBoy@localhost.com>, Message ID:
<b43u60ppfsj8nbfhu103r01jp8n8r5jpki@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:55:14 +1000, Matt
<kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are for
stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and holy wars.
Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who would be rounded up
in the first day; they would need to built a new jail to house these nuts.
Perhaps the state of Rhode Island would suffice...... :)
Na, put them on Stewart Island in New Zealand. Its fucking cold and
misserable every day of the year.
They would love it there! It's as cold as their hearts and
as miserable as their lives.
And they would rejoyce because it's "Jesus's" will for them and it's for
a greater good while being part of the 'divine plan.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Apr 2004 12:26:52 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:55:14 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c4ln4k$2jd696$1@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are for
stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and holy wars.
Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who would be rounded up
in the first day; they would need to built a new jail to house these nuts.
Perhaps the state of Rhode Island would suffice...... :)
Na, put them on Stewart Island in New Zealand. Its fucking cold and
misserable every day of the year.
Ok. No worries about them swimming out then.... :))
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Matt" |
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03 Apr 2004 10:36:33 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:55:14 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c4ln4k$2jd696$1@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are for
stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and holy wars.
Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who would be rounded up
in the first day; they would need to built a new jail to house these nuts.
Perhaps the state of Rhode Island would suffice...... :)
Na, put them on Stewart Island in New Zealand. Its fucking cold and
misserable every day of the year.
Ok. No worries about them swimming out then.... :))
Yeap ;) It is misserable down there. About the only thing they *could*
look foward to is the sea food, and that is about it. Assuming one gives
them equipment to do that ;)
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "stoney" |
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04 Apr 2004 01:50:35 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:36:33 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c4o3cj$2ke6sr$2@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:55:14 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c4ln4k$2jd696$1@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Maybe there should be a similar programme in place like there are for
stopping radical Islamic preachers from preaching Jihads and holy wars.
Imagine the number of Christian fundamentalists who would be rounded up
in the first day; they would need to built a new jail to house these nuts.
Perhaps the state of Rhode Island would suffice...... :)
Na, put them on Stewart Island in New Zealand. Its fucking cold and
misserable every day of the year.
Ok. No worries about them swimming out then.... :))
Yeap ;) It is misserable down there. About the only thing they *could*
look foward to is the sea food, and that is about it. Assuming one gives
them equipment to do that ;)
/cue the kilkenny cat method... :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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02 Apr 2004 05:49:40 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:38:38 -0500,
Brian E. Clark wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
The "evangelicals," of course, are the RRR cultists... and they
don't even BEGIN to represent the views of **normal**, fair-minded,
tolerant, and sensible Christians, who outnumber them IMMENSELY.
Perhaps so -- but so what?
If you'll pardon the paraphrase: All it takes for Christian
extremism to prosper is that good Christians do nothing.
Precisely. And being well aware of that is one of the reasons
why *this* normal Christian is out here doing **something.**
--
Brian E. Clark
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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02 Apr 2004 07:43:30 PM |
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:407851ab.29464948@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:38:38 -0500,
Brian E. Clark wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
The "evangelicals," of course, are the RRR cultists... and they
don't even BEGIN to represent the views of **normal**, fair-minded,
tolerant, and sensible Christians, who outnumber them IMMENSELY.
Perhaps so -- but so what?
If you'll pardon the paraphrase: All it takes for Christian
extremism to prosper is that good Christians do nothing.
Precisely. And being well aware of that is one of the reasons
why *this* normal Christian is out here doing **something.**
You don't know how happy I am to know that there are decent Christians like
you. It's unfortunate that the RRR cultists make Christians look bad as a
group. Christians need more like you to stand up and speak. I salute you.
--
Peacenik
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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02 Apr 2004 09:40:04 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:43:30 GMT,
"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Brian E. Clark wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
The "evangelicals," of course, are the RRR cultists... and they
don't even BEGIN to represent the views of **normal**, fair-minded,
tolerant, and sensible Christians, who outnumber them IMMENSELY.
Perhaps so -- but so what?
If you'll pardon the paraphrase: All it takes for Christian
extremism to prosper is that good Christians do nothing.
Precisely. And being well aware of that is one of the reasons
why *this* normal Christian is out here doing **something.**
You don't know how happy I am to know that there are decent
Christians like you. It's unfortunate that the RRR cultists make Christians
look bad as a group. Christians need more like you to stand up and
speak. I salute you.
Thanks. Honest and normal Christains are fair-minded and
compassionate people, and they want NOTHING to do with the
hateful agendas of the RRR Cult. Unfortunately, they **also**
tend to be very apathetic, and thus they manifest their disdain
for the RRR by simply *ignoring* them. I really don't thin that most
christians have any idea of just how MUCH the RRR cult has
damaged the image of Christianity, both in America, and in much
of the rest of the world -- since the world watches the USA so
closely.
--
Peacenik
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
03 Apr 2004 08:16:37 AM |
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You don't know how happy I am to know that there are decent
Christians like you. It's unfortunate that the RRR cultists make Christians
look bad as a group. Christians need more like you to stand up and
speak. I salute you.
Thanks. Honest and normal Christains are fair-minded and
compassionate people, and they want NOTHING to do with the
hateful agendas of the RRR Cult. Unfortunately, they **also**
tend to be very apathetic, and thus they manifest their disdain
for the RRR by simply *ignoring* them. I really don't thin that most
christians have any idea of just how MUCH the RRR cult has
damaged the image of Christianity, both in America, and in much
of the rest of the world -- since the world watches the USA so
closely.
I'll tell you how badly it has damaged the US; people in the middle east
now associate Bill Graham's sons comments about Islam to the views of
the whole population of the US. Where do they make this conclusion? when
a president aligns himself, standing shoulder to shoulder with every
anti-Islamic preacher the US has to offer.
For those who are interested in Islam; The Life of Muhammad is a VERY
good book. It talks about the early part of his life and how he received
his revelations (and his his ministry up until his death with a small
passage about those who continued his work). When you read and look into
the origins of Islam, you start to appreciate that it has a close
relationship with Christianity; even the Vatican has opened up dialogue
with Islamic clerics.
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working
together, which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who bible thump
and call themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal
arts degree in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
03 Apr 2004 09:21:20 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:16:37 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" wrote:
You don't know how happy I am to know that there are decent
Christians like you. It's unfortunate that the RRR cultists make Christians
look bad as a group. Christians need more like you to stand up and
speak. I salute you.
Thanks. Honest and normal Christians are fair-minded and
compassionate people, and they want NOTHING to do with the
hateful agendas of the RRR Cult. Unfortunately, they **also**
tend to be very apathetic, and thus they manifest their disdain
for the RRR by simply *ignoring* them. I really don't thin that most
christians have any idea of just how MUCH the RRR cult has
damaged the image of Christianity, both in America, and in much
of the rest of the world -- since the world watches the USA so
closely.
I'll tell you how badly it has damaged the US; people in the middle east
now associate Bill Graham's sons comments about Islam to the views of
the whole population of the US. Where do they make this conclusion?
when a president aligns himself, standing shoulder to shoulder with every
anti-Islamic preacher the US has to offer.
For those who are interested in Islam; The Life of Muhammad is a VERY
good book. It talks about the early part of his life and how he received
his revelations (and his his ministry up until his death with a small passage
about those who continued his work). When you read and look into
the origins of Islam, you start to appreciate that it has a close relationship
with Christianity; even the Vatican has opened up dialogue with Islamic
clerics.
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working together,
which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who Bible-thump and call
themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal arts degree
in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
03 Apr 2004 10:58:17 PM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:16:37 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" wrote:
You don't know how happy I am to know that there are decent
Christians like you. It's unfortunate that the RRR cultists make Christians
look bad as a group. Christians need more like you to stand up and
speak. I salute you.
Thanks. Honest and normal Christians are fair-minded and
compassionate people, and they want NOTHING to do with the
hateful agendas of the RRR Cult. Unfortunately, they **also**
tend to be very apathetic, and thus they manifest their disdain
for the RRR by simply *ignoring* them. I really don't thin that most
christians have any idea of just how MUCH the RRR cult has
damaged the image of Christianity, both in America, and in much
of the rest of the world -- since the world watches the USA so
closely.
I'll tell you how badly it has damaged the US; people in the middle east
now associate Bill Graham's sons comments about Islam to the views of
the whole population of the US. Where do they make this conclusion?
when a president aligns himself, standing shoulder to shoulder with every
anti-Islamic preacher the US has to offer.
For those who are interested in Islam; The Life of Muhammad is a VERY
good book. It talks about the early part of his life and how he received
his revelations (and his his ministry up until his death with a small passage
about those who continued his work). When you read and look into
the origins of Islam, you start to appreciate that it has a close relationship
with Christianity; even the Vatican has opened up dialogue with Islamic
clerics.
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working together,
which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who Bible-thump and call
themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal arts degree
in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
04 Apr 2004 04:08:42 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:58:17 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" wrote:
You don't know how happy I am to know that there are decent
Christians like you. It's unfortunate that the RRR cultists make Christians
look bad as a group. Christians need more like you to stand up and
speak. I salute you.
Thanks. Honest and normal Christians are fair-minded and
compassionate people, and they want NOTHING to do with the
hateful agendas of the RRR Cult. Unfortunately, they **also**
tend to be very apathetic, and thus they manifest their disdain
for the RRR by simply *ignoring* them. I really don't thin that most
Christians have any idea of just how MUCH the RRR cult has
damaged the image of Christianity, both in America, and in much
of the rest of the world -- since the world watches the USA so
closely.
I'll tell you how badly it has damaged the US; people in the middle east
now associate Bill Graham's sons comments about Islam to the views of
the whole population of the US. Where do they make this conclusion?
when a president aligns himself, standing shoulder to shoulder with every
anti-Islamic preacher the US has to offer.
For those who are interested in Islam; The Life of Muhammad is a VERY
good book. It talks about the early part of his life and how he received
his revelations (and his his ministry up until his death with a small passage
about those who continued his work). When you read and look into
the origins of Islam, you start to appreciate that it has a close relationship
with Christianity; even the Vatican has opened up dialogue with Islamic
clerics.
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working together,
which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who Bible-thump and call
themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal arts degree
in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
04 Apr 2004 05:57:02 AM |
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The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I did
hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
04 Apr 2004 04:37:26 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:57:02 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
05 Apr 2004 11:34:46 AM |
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Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
yeap, and with each passing election, there are less and less people
voting for the Christian Heritage Party in NZ. People who are pro family
are now voting for United Future New Zealand which consists of many
people from many different faiths; a true representation of what a
pro-family should be about and not this veminous reactionary bullrott
being spreading by Christian Heritage.
There are two things can always be assure of in NZ; you will never get
into parliament based on either; "Christian fundamentalist mandate" or a
"pro defence" mandate.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
05 Apr 2004 08:43:29 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:34:46 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeap, and with each passing election, there are less and less people
voting for the Christian Heritage Party in NZ. People who are pro family
are now voting for United Future New Zealand which consists of many
people from many different faiths; a true representation of what a
pro-family should be about and not this veminous reactionary bullrott
being spreading by Christian Heritage.
There are two things can always be assure of in NZ; you will never get
into parliament based on either; "Christian fundamentalist mandate" or a
"pro defence" mandate.
****GOOD*** for New Zealand!!! Sounds like an eminently
FAIR-minded and SENSIBLE nation. (I wish *we* were, to the
SAME extent. But before too much longer, we WILL be.)
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
06 Apr 2004 10:17:49 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:34:46 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeap, and with each passing election, there are less and less people
voting for the Christian Heritage Party in NZ. People who are pro family
are now voting for United Future New Zealand which consists of many
people from many different faiths; a true representation of what a
pro-family should be about and not this veminous reactionary bullrott
being spreading by Christian Heritage.
There are two things can always be assure of in NZ; you will never get
into parliament based on either; "Christian fundamentalist mandate" or a
"pro defence" mandate.
****GOOD*** for New Zealand!!! Sounds like an eminently
FAIR-minded and SENSIBLE nation. (I wish *we* were, to the
SAME extent. But before too much longer, we WILL be.)
Well, we tend to have a healthy scepticism of politicians ;) Maybe its
the Scottish that is in us ;) Whilst the Australians are optimistic,
we're looking for that grey cloud.
Had Clinton been in NZ, he would have been voted back in until he made a
mistake. The fact is, the economy was growing, unemployment was low, the
budget was balanced. On that alone, he would have been voted back into
parliament with an outright majority.
Ultimately, if you get the job done, you won't get voted out. National
found the hard way, the failed to fix problems with the health system
and they were quickly kicked out. Helen Clarke has now been Prime
Minister for 3 terms (9 years) and believe me, she keep winning
elections until the day National realise that divisive policies may get
a quick surge in popularity, then months later, the electorate will
realise that the emporor has no clothes.
As for the progressive side; I wouldn't call NZ progressive, just a
country filled with people who quite frankly don't give a toss whether
the prime minister is female, or 30% of the parliament are female, or
females hold the top jobs in NZ. What people want are results, and if a
hamster going around in a little wheel produced the same results, we'd
vote on the hamster.
Its always funny when I hear Australians surprised about females being
in high places in NZ. The fact is, when it boils down to it. Its about
the right person for the right job. If the right person just so happens
to be female, gay or rastafarian, then so be it.
Sorry about that ;) Just had to get a quick rant off my chest ;)
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
06 Apr 2004 05:52:40 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:17:49 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeap, and with each passing election, there are less and less people
voting for the Christian Heritage Party in NZ. People who are pro family
are now voting for United Future New Zealand which consists of many
people from many different faiths; a true representation of what a
pro-family should be about and not this veminous reactionary bullrott
being spreading by Christian Heritage.
There are two things can always be assure of in NZ; you will never get
into parliament based on either; "Christian fundamentalist mandate" or a
"pro defence" mandate.
****GOOD*** for New Zealand!!! Sounds like an eminently
FAIR-minded and SENSIBLE nation. (I wish *we* were, to the
SAME extent. But before too much longer, we WILL be.)
Well, we tend to have a healthy scepticism of politicians ;) Maybe its
the Scottish that is in us ;) Whilst the Australians are optimistic,
we're looking for that grey cloud.
Had Clinton been in NZ, he would have been voted back in until he
made a mistake. The fact is, the economy was growing, unemployment
was low, the budget was balanced. On that alone, he would have been
voted back into parliament with an outright majority.
Ultimately, if you get the job done, you won't get voted out. National
found the hard way, the failed to fix problems with the health system
and they were quickly kicked out. Helen Clarke has now been Prime
Minister for 3 terms (9 years) and believe me, she keep winning
elections until the day National realise that divisive policies may get
a quick surge in popularity, then months later, the electorate will
realise that the emporor has no clothes.
As for the progressive side; I wouldn't call NZ progressive, just a
country filled with people who quite frankly don't give a toss whether
the prime minister is female, or 30% of the parliament are female, or
females hold the top jobs in NZ. What people want are results, and if a
hamster going around in a little wheel produced the same results, we'd
vote on the hamster.
Its always funny when I hear Australians surprised about females
being in high places in NZ. The fact is, when it boils down to it. Its
about the right person for the right job. If the right person just so
happens to be female, gay or rastafarian, then so be it.
Sorry about that ;) Just had to get a quick rant off my chest ;)
No apology needed. As "rants" go, that was a very EFFECTIVE
and interesting one!
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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05 Apr 2004 12:12:06 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:37:26 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <40727f97.4997046@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:57:02 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeah, but they're still running the USA.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
05 Apr 2004 08:45:16 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:12:06 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:37:26 GMT,
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeah, but they're still running the USA.
It's up to fair-minded people like US to **change** that!!
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
06 Apr 2004 09:38:24 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:45:16 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <408c0b7d.15004370@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:12:06 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:37:26 GMT,
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
(snip)
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeah, but they're still running the USA.
It's up to fair-minded people like US to **change** that!!
We are far too few.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
06 Apr 2004 05:55:58 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 07:38:24 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeah, but they're still running the USA.
It's up to fair-minded people like US to **change** that!!
We are far too few.
Are you kidding?!? We're in the MAJORITY! The only problem
is that the hateful minority has been such a noisy squaeky wheel.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
07 Apr 2004 03:55:46 AM |
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It's up to fair-minded people like US to **change** that!!
We are far too few.
Are you kidding?!? We're in the MAJORITY! The only problem
is that the hateful minority has been such a noisy squaeky wheel.
What I think stoney means is that we, the ones who are passionate for a
"fair go" are few in numbers. It is up to us to persuade the public that
what we have to offer is a lot better than what the opposition has to
offer them.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
08 Apr 2004 07:33:31 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:55:46 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
It's up to fair-minded people like US to **change** that!!
We are far too few.
Are you kidding?!? We're in the MAJORITY! The only problem
is that the hateful minority has been such a noisy squeaky wheel.
What I think stoney means is that we, the ones who are
passionate for a "fair go" are few in numbers. It is up to us
to persuade the public that what we have to offer is a lot
better than what the opposition has to offer them.
In that event, we need to redouble our efforts to get moe
fair-minded people actively involved. THIS can help ---
http://www.rockthevote.com/
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
07 Apr 2004 10:47:05 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:55:46 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c50fmk$2n7jni$1@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
It's up to fair-minded people like US to **change** that!!
We are far too few.
Are you kidding?!? We're in the MAJORITY! The only problem
is that the hateful minority has been such a noisy squaeky wheel.
What I think stoney means is that we, the ones who are passionate for a
"fair go" are few in numbers.
Yes.
It is up to us to persuade the public that
what we have to offer is a lot better than what the opposition has to
offer them.
Such requires an educated populace. :\
Matt
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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