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Religions > Atheism |
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"No One" |
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31 Mar 2004 11:41:07 PM |
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Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
It seems a bunch of San Jose's Evangelical residents want to recall
the mayor and the city council (or most of it) over a same-sex
marriage flap. The city passed a law giving married same-sex couples
the same benefits given to other married city employees *provided*
that the marriages are determined to be legal by the courts. Mostly
the additional benefits are things like not having to wait until an
"open enrollment" period before coverage starts - things married
couples take for granted. The "Christians" are apparently a rather
hateful and mean spirited lot - in some cases the people being
denied immediate coverage are adopted children.
Not all Christians are pleased with these antics and are getting tired
of these Evangelicals trying to speak for them. But we know which
"Christians" George Bush is supporting, and he probably doesn't
realize how many votes he'll lose over it.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
06 Apr 2004 06:10:06 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:19:57 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Hence the reason I never listen to them. The Religious right fit right
into the same category as Opius Dei. I, on the other hand, listen to the
likes of the Jesuits (part of the Catholic Church), although they still
oppose abortion, they however, have come out in favour of using condoms
to stop the spread of STDs and recognitition of life long partnerships
of same sex couples.
These people are the thinkers of the church, and not the hot head,
simplistic soap box ranters of the far right, and unlike the religious
right, they acknowledge homosexuality as a thing a person is born with,
as a "gift from god".
Definitely looks like they have their heads on straight. They'll
probably come around to a sensible stance with regard to abortion,
too, one of these days. Since there is NO good argument against
that valuable remedy.
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeah, but they're still running the USA.
Hence the reason why ever US citizen should get out there and vote.
Hammer those [pseudo-]Christian Fundamentalists back into the stone
age. Send the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for
people like them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated
and die out.
And the sooner, the better!!
Their ultimate fate will be the same at that which befell the
segregationists. For the SAME reason: mindless and hateful
DISREGARD for universal individual liberties and across-the-board
EQUAL rights for all.
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
07 Apr 2004 10:50:28 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 01:19:57 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c4uhqu$2ijp84$2@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:37:26 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <40727f97.4997046@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
(snip)
IIRC, I haven't read fully into their stance on abortion, however, I
did hear that it is along the lines of, "only if the life of the mother is
at risk" when abortion is acceptable. At the end of the day, society
cannot stay static, it evolves forward, those who are conservatives
today become obsolete tomorrow.
Indeed. The RRR cultists have BEEN obsolete for several
years now.
Yeah, but they're still running the USA.
Hence the reason why ever US citizen should get out there and vote.
Not much point with electronic voting being rigged and cases of paper
ballots being thrown int the trash.
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Matt
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
08 Apr 2004 12:32:30 AM |
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Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
08 Apr 2004 08:04:53 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:32:30 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
08 Apr 2004 09:57:54 AM |
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Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
And maybe GWB can stop talking about his ***** "born again Christian"
life and actually stick to the job he was voted in to do, run the
country for the MAJORITY and not the noisy minority.
If those noisy minority don't like it, they can move over to Saudi Arabia.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
08 Apr 2004 07:51:35 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:54 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
And maybe GWB can stop talking about his ***** "born
again Christian" life and actually stick to the job he was voted
in to do, run the country for the MAJORITY and not the noisy
minority.
If those noisy minority don't like it, they can move over to
Saudi Arabia.
...Where they'd be right at home in a populace that's
as screwed up and narrow-minded as THEY are!
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
09 Apr 2004 07:20:52 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:54 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
And maybe GWB can stop talking about his ***** "born
again Christian" life and actually stick to the job he was voted
in to do, run the country for the MAJORITY and not the noisy
minority.
If those noisy minority don't like it, they can move over to
Saudi Arabia.
...Where they'd be right at home in a populace that's
as screwed up and narrow-minded as THEY are!
na, they'll be viewed as evil western liberals ;)
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
""Only the good die young", does that mean we'll have to put
up with George W Bush living to a ripe old age?"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
09 Apr 2004 03:58:10 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:20:52 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c564f4$2nrl4d$1@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Craig Chilton wrote:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:54 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
And maybe GWB can stop talking about his ***** "born
again Christian" life and actually stick to the job he was voted
in to do, run the country for the MAJORITY and not the noisy
minority.
If those noisy minority don't like it, they can move over to
Saudi Arabia.
...Where they'd be right at home in a populace that's
as screwed up and narrow-minded as THEY are!
na, they'll be viewed as evil western liberals ;)
with a lovely "purge'n play" to follow.... :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
09 Apr 2004 03:57:19 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:54 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c53p9k$2o0397$3@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
And maybe GWB can stop talking about his ***** "born again Christian"
life and actually stick to the job he was voted in to do, run the
country for the MAJORITY and not the noisy minority.
Bush was appointed by the US Supreme Court in a 'concentration camp
reek' of politics.
He is running the country to benefit his imaginary buddy and the richest
1% of the population in the U.S..
If those noisy minority don't like it, they can move over to Saudi Arabia.
No no....you see, they don't want to be the oppressed. They want to be
the oppressors.
Matt
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Apr 2004 03:55:17 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:04:53 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <407a4de0.1500552@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:32:30 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
09 Apr 2004 06:21:20 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:55:17 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
09 Apr 2004 06:31:21 PM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in
news:407d2e9b.124586669@netnews.mchsi.com:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:55:17 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton < >wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone
age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people
like them in the US political system. Eventually they will be
isolated and die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that
most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as
you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election.
People don't want to hear about that, people want to know about
policies. If people wanted to know about their leaders and their
views on religion, they would purchase an overpriced hardback
biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Craig Chilton < >
Give them a real choice that isn't "the lesser of two weasels?"
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
09 Apr 2004 08:29:31 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) wrote in
news:407d2e9b.124586669@netnews.mchsi.com:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:55:17 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone
age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people
like them in the US political system. Eventually they will be
isolated and die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that
most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as
you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election.
People don't want to hear about that, people want to know about
policies. If people wanted to know about their leaders and their
views on religion, they would purchase an overpriced hardback
biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
Give them a real choice that isn't "the lesser of two weasels?"
But there can't be a third party because the system is designed only to
have ever have two parties of any significance.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
""Only the good die young", does that mean we'll have to put
up with George W Bush living to a ripe old age?"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
10 Apr 2004 05:11:49 AM |
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Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
news:c57ilt$2q67tb$1@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de:
Fred Stone wrote:
xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) wrote in
news:407d2e9b.124586669@netnews.mchsi.com:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:55:17 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone
age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for
people like them in the US political system. Eventually they
will be isolated and die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that
most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as
you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election.
People don't want to hear about that, people want to know about
policies. If people wanted to know about their leaders and their
views on religion, they would purchase an overpriced hardback
biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Give them a real choice that isn't "the lesser of two weasels?"
But there can't be a third party because the system is designed only
to have ever have two parties of any significance.
That isn't really the case. The two parties are very well entrenched but
there's nothing in the system that prevents third parties from existing
and being significant players. Both of the current major parties started
out as "third parties".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
10 Apr 2004 12:33:33 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:29:31 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c57ilt$2q67tb$1@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Fred Stone wrote:
xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) wrote in
news:407d2e9b.124586669@netnews.mchsi.com:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:55:17 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone
age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people
like them in the US political system. Eventually they will be
isolated and die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that
most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as
you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election.
People don't want to hear about that, people want to know about
policies. If people wanted to know about their leaders and their
views on religion, they would purchase an overpriced hardback
biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
Give them a real choice that isn't "the lesser of two weasels?"
But there can't be a third party because the system is designed only to
have ever have two parties of any significance.
No. The system was designed to have any number of parties. However,
the 'foxes in the hen house' changed the rules to keep others out.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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But there can't be a third party because the system is designed only to
have ever have two parties of any significance.
No. The system was designed to have any number of parties. However,
the 'foxes in the hen house' changed the rules to keep others out.
True, however, it is very hard to get the third party into congress vs.
MMP, which is used in Germany and New Zealand where by any party that
gets at least 5% of the party vote is allocated, according to their
party vote share, seats in parliament from the seats set aside for party
votes, best explained http://www.elections.org.nz/
For example, http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/
United Future New Zealand received 7% of the party vote, meaning, they
received 8 seats in the 120 seats that are available even though they
only have one MP who stands for a particular electorate.
Going by that system, Nadar for example would have one 40 seats in the
US congress.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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10 Apr 2004 12:32:21 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 23:31:21 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>,
Message ID: <Xns94C6C69CC5D04fstone69@207.69.154.204> wrote in
alt.atheism;
xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) wrote in
news:407d2e9b.124586669@netnews.mchsi.com:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:55:17 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone
age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people
like them in the US political system. Eventually they will be
isolated and die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that
most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as
you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election.
People don't want to hear about that, people want to know about
policies. If people wanted to know about their leaders and their
views on religion, they would purchase an overpriced hardback
biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
Give them a real choice that isn't "the lesser of two weasels?"
Hope forlorn, I'm afraid.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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10 Apr 2004 12:31:44 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 23:21:20 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <407d2e9b.124586669@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:55:17 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton < >wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
But then you write about something entirely different from what you're
supposedly responding to.
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Objective supporting evidence not voting is irresponsible?
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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10 Apr 2004 01:32:54 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:31:44 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age.
Send the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for
people like them in the US political system. Eventually they will be
isolated and die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most
people look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
But then you write about something entirely different from what you're
supposedly responding to.
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Objective supporting evidence not voting is irresponsible?
Warmonger-in-Thief Bush is the worst thing to happen to
America since that moron, Jerry Falwell, founded the RRR Cult
in the mid-'70s... calling it the "Moral Majority" -- which has
*never* been **either** moral OR a majority.
The only way we can extricate ourselves from this awful
situation, and defend our individual liberties from FURTHER
trashing is to OUST Bush at the ballot box this November. All
*sensible* and *responsible* Americans will turn out for KERRY,
in order to accomplish that.
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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11 Apr 2004 11:49:02 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:32:54 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <40793bd3.54896474@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:31:44 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton < >wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age.
Send the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for
people like them in the US political system. Eventually they will be
isolated and die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most
people look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies. If
people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
GOOD for them!!! America can LEARN from that example!!
One can't learn if they can't be bothered to put forth the effort.
Ah! And therein lies the very HEART and SOUL of the problem!!
But then you write about something entirely different from what you're
supposedly responding to.
HOW can we **most** effectively motivate the ***irresponsible***
50% of eligible American voters who DON'T vote?
Objective supporting evidence not voting is irresponsible?
Once again, you write about something entirely different from what
you're supposedly responding to.
Warmonger-in-Thief Bush is the worst thing to happen to
America since that moron, Jerry Falwell, founded the RRR Cult
in the mid-'70s... calling it the "Moral Majority" -- which has
*never* been **either** moral OR a majority.
The only way we can extricate ourselves from this awful
situation, and defend our individual liberties from FURTHER
trashing is to OUST Bush at the ballot box this November. All
*sensible* and *responsible* Americans will turn out for KERRY,
in order to accomplish that.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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09 Apr 2004 03:54:37 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:32:30 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c52o5e$2ndv5s$4@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies.
That is as it should be. However, when the populace is generally pig
ignorant terminal shallowness is all that can be expected.
If people wanted to know about their leaders and their views on religion,
they would purchase an overpriced hardback biography.
Exactly!
Matt
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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09 Apr 2004 08:32:10 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:32:30 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c52o5e$2ndv5s$4@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies.
That is as it should be. However, when the populace is generally pig
ignorant terminal shallowness is all that can be expected.
hence the reason why the politicians pander to the lowest common
denominator; playing on prejudices and using minority groups as scape
goats for their own stupidity.
As I've always said, governments are never voted in by the
intellectuals, they've voted in by the great unwashed who are looking
for easy answers for complex complex problems and finding someone to
blame when something goes wrong.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
""Only the good die young", does that mean we'll have to put
up with George W Bush living to a ripe old age?"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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10 Apr 2004 12:35:26 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:32:10 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c57iqs$2q67tb$2@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:32:30 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>,
Message ID: <c52o5e$2ndv5s$4@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Hammer those Chrisitian Fundamentalists back into the stone age. Send
the Religious Right the message that there is NO PLACE for people like
them in the US political system. Eventually they will be isolated and
die out.
Such requires an educated populace who can think. All that most people
look at is who waves the "Jesus Flag" the most vigorously.
Thats what I love about Australia and New Zealand, as soon as you
mention Jesus or God, you've automatically lost the election. People
don't want to hear about that, people want to know about policies.
That is as it should be. However, when the populace is generally pig
ignorant terminal shallowness is all that can be expected.
hence the reason why the politicians pander to the lowest common
denominator; playing on prejudices and using minority groups as scape
goats for their own stupidity.
And the victims.
As I've always said, governments are never voted in by the
intellectuals, they've voted in by the great unwashed who are looking
for easy answers for complex complex problems and finding someone to
blame when something goes wrong.
/populace.....purple with rage
/politician(s) who created the problem
"It wasn't me who created the problem...."
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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04 Apr 2004 01:57:30 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:21:20 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <407ed33c.3178999@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:16:37 +1000,
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Peacenik" wrote:
(snip)
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working together,
which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who Bible-thump and call
themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal arts degree
in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
Nothing 'pseudo' about them. They say they are Christians just like
every other Christian claims.
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Craig, you should know better than to try the "Not a True Christian"
fallacy.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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04 Apr 2004 04:45:22 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 11:57:30 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" wrote:
(snip)
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working together,
which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who Bible-thump and call
themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal arts degree
in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
Nothing 'pseudo' about them. They say they are Christians just like
every other Christian claims.
The *actual* christians are. But *actual* christians don't
subscribe to PHONY dogmas found *nowhere* in the Bible, appoint
*themselves* as a ludicrous GESTAPO that seeks to impose and force
Biblical precepts (along with their phony dogmas) against society in
general... and would NOT be hateful control-freaks and busybodies.
The actual Christians among the RRR cultists have been CONNED by
the lis of the cult, and are as programmed as any cultists there have
ever been. The PSEUDO-Christians are hateful people with no lives
who've simply jumped on the bandwago, Because without pretending
to be Christians, they'd have NO excuse for bing so hateful.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Craig, you should know better than to try the "Not a True Christian"
fallacy.
Looks like I need to refresh my Resource Post on the RRR cult.
Watch for it.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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05 Apr 2004 12:13:33 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:45:22 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <40738068.5206108@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 11:57:30 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton < >wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Peacenik" wrote:
(snip)
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working together,
which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who Bible-thump and call
themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal arts degree
in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
Nothing 'pseudo' about them. They say they are Christians just like
every other Christian claims.
The *actual* christians are. But *actual* christians don't
subscribe to PHONY dogmas found *nowhere* in the Bible, appoint
*themselves* as a ludicrous GESTAPO that seeks to impose and force
Biblical precepts (along with their phony dogmas) against society in
general... and would NOT be hateful control-freaks and busybodies.
The actual Christians among the RRR cultists have been CONNED by
the lis of the cult, and are as programmed as any cultists there have
ever been. The PSEUDO-Christians are hateful people with no lives
who've simply jumped on the bandwago, Because without pretending
to be Christians, they'd have NO excuse for bing so hateful.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Craig, you should know better than to try the "Not a True Christian"
fallacy.
Looks like I need to refresh my Resource Post on the RRR cult.
Watch for it.
Irrelevant and immaterial. "Jesus" certainly isn't 'correcting' anyone
who says they are a Christian, and aren't.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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05 Apr 2004 08:48:47 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:13:33 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Peacenik" wrote:
(snip)
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working together,
which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who Bible-thump and call
themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal arts degree
in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
The RRR cultists are comprised 100% of PSEUDO-Christians
who are cloaking themselves in the mantle of the last vestiges of
respectability that Christianity still possesses (after their cult has
so badly discredited it) -- and actual Christians who have been conned
and programmed by the UN-Biblical and hateful dogmas of the cult.
The latter appear to be Christians who unfortunately were from the
ranks of the ignorant and gullible.
Nothing 'pseudo' about them. They say they are Christians just like
every other Christian claims.
The *actual* christians are. But *actual* christians don't
subscribe to PHONY dogmas found *nowhere* in the Bible, appoint
*themselves* as a ludicrous GESTAPO that seeks to impose and force
Biblical precepts (along with their phony dogmas) against society in
general... and would NOT be hateful control-freaks and busybodies.
The actual Christians among the RRR cultists have been CONNED by
the lis of the cult, and are as programmed as any cultists there have
ever been. The PSEUDO-Christians are hateful people with no lives
who've simply jumped on the bandwago, Because without pretending
to be Christians, they'd have NO excuse for bing so hateful.
The latter component is outnumbered by more than 100-to-1 by
actual Christians who are NORMAL, FAIR-minded, sensible, and tolerant
people. Unfortunately for the fair-minded Christians, the noisy (and
very noisOME) RRR cultists are the squeaky wheels that attract all the
media attention.
Craig, you should know better than to try the "Not a True Christian"
fallacy.
Looks like I need to refresh my Resource Post on the RRR cult.
Watch for it.
Irrelevant and immaterial. "Jesus" certainly isn't 'correcting' anyone
who says they are a Christian, and aren't.
The purpose of that post is to shine a bright, fact-filled
spotlight on the HYPOCRISIES and FALLACIES of the
RRR Cult and its lemmings.
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
06 Apr 2004 09:40:14 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:48:47 GMT, (Craig Chilton),
Message ID: <408d0c04.15138650@netnews.mchsi.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:13:33 -0700,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
(snip)
Craig, you should know better than to try the "Not a True Christian"
fallacy.
Looks like I need to refresh my Resource Post on the RRR cult.
Watch for it.
Irrelevant and immaterial. "Jesus" certainly isn't 'correcting' anyone
who says they are a Christian, and aren't.
The purpose of that post is to shine a bright, fact-filled
spotlight on the HYPOCRISIES and FALLACIES of the
RRR Cult and its lemmings.
The blatant hypocracy inheirant in Christianity (to name one) has been
spotlit for centuries. It is still around wreaking destruction.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Poster Boy" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
03 Apr 2004 10:07:08 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:16:37 +1000, Matt
<kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
You don't know how happy I am to know that there are decent
Christians like you. It's unfortunate that the RRR cultists make Christians
look bad as a group. Christians need more like you to stand up and
speak. I salute you.
Thanks. Honest and normal Christains are fair-minded and
compassionate people, and they want NOTHING to do with the
hateful agendas of the RRR Cult. Unfortunately, they **also**
tend to be very apathetic, and thus they manifest their disdain
for the RRR by simply *ignoring* them. I really don't thin that most
christians have any idea of just how MUCH the RRR cult has
damaged the image of Christianity, both in America, and in much
of the rest of the world -- since the world watches the USA so
closely.
I'll tell you how badly it has damaged the US; people in the middle east
now associate Bill Graham's sons comments about Islam to the views of
the whole population of the US. Where do they make this conclusion? when
a president aligns himself, standing shoulder to shoulder with every
anti-Islamic preacher the US has to offer.
For those who are interested in Islam; The Life of Muhammad is a VERY
good book. It talks about the early part of his life and how he received
his revelations (and his his ministry up until his death with a small
passage about those who continued his work). When you read and look into
the origins of Islam, you start to appreciate that it has a close
relationship with Christianity; even the Vatican has opened up dialogue
with Islamic clerics.
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working
together, which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who bible thump
and call themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal
arts degree in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
Matt
Ha! You don't even need that. You can get ordained free
(accessories extra) in a couple of days through the
Universal Life Church at http://www.ulc.net/
"Become Ordained here today and begin your own ministry! As
a legally ordained minister, you may perform weddings,
funerals, baptisms and other functions of the clergy.
In existence since 1959, the Universal Life Church is
headquartered in Modesto, California, and has congregations
around the world. The sun never sets on the Universal Life
Church. ULC ministers come from all walks of life and
spiritual traditions. Our common thread is our adherence to
the universal doctrine of religious freedom:
Do only that which is right.
Every person has the natural right (and the responsibility)
to peacefully determine what is right. We are advocates of
religious freedom.
The Universal Life Church wants you to pursue your spiritual
beliefs without interference from any outside agency,
including government or church authority.
You may become a legally ordained minister for life, without
cost, and without question of faith."
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Evangelicals madder than a hatter in San Jose |
03 Apr 2004 11:44:37 PM |
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Poster Boy wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 00:16:37 +1000, Matt
<kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
You don't know how happy I am to know that there are decent
Christians like you. It's unfortunate that the RRR cultists make Christians
look bad as a group. Christians need more like you to stand up and
speak. I salute you.
Thanks. Honest and normal Christains are fair-minded and
compassionate people, and they want NOTHING to do with the
hateful agendas of the RRR Cult. Unfortunately, they **also**
tend to be very apathetic, and thus they manifest their disdain
for the RRR by simply *ignoring* them. I really don't thin that most
christians have any idea of just how MUCH the RRR cult has
damaged the image of Christianity, both in America, and in much
of the rest of the world -- since the world watches the USA so
closely.
I'll tell you how badly it has damaged the US; people in the middle east
now associate Bill Graham's sons comments about Islam to the views of
the whole population of the US. Where do they make this conclusion? when
a president aligns himself, standing shoulder to shoulder with every
anti-Islamic preacher the US has to offer.
For those who are interested in Islam; The Life of Muhammad is a VERY
good book. It talks about the early part of his life and how he received
his revelations (and his his ministry up until his death with a small
passage about those who continued his work). When you read and look into
the origins of Islam, you start to appreciate that it has a close
relationship with Christianity; even the Vatican has opened up dialogue
with Islamic clerics.
The fact is, the large establish churches like the Church of England and
Catholic Church are opening dialogues to all faiths and working
together, which is a far cry to the so-called Christians who bible thump
and call themselves reverends on the basis that they did a lowly liberal
arts degree in theology (which anyone can do standing on their head).
Matt
Ha! You don't even need that. You can get ordained free
(accessories extra) in a couple of days through the
Universal Life Church at http://www.ulc.net/
"Become Ordained here today and begin your own ministry! As
a legally ordained minister, you may perform weddings,
funerals, baptisms and other functions of the clergy.
In existence since 1959, the Universal Life Church is
headquartered in Modesto, California, and has congregations
around the world. The sun never sets on the Universal Life
Church. ULC ministers come from all walks of life and
spiritual traditions. Our common thread is our adherence to
the universal doctrine of religious freedom:
Do only that which is right.
Every person has the natural right (and the responsibility)
to peacefully determine what is right. We are advocates of
religious freedom.
The Universal Life Church wants you to pursue your spiritual
beliefs without interference from any outside agency,
including government or church authority.
You may become a legally ordained minister for life, without
cost, and without question of faith."
LOL, that explains Phelps.
Mind you, I've always been sceptical of those who peal off from a
mainstream church to start their own church under the ***** excuse
of, "I received a revelation".
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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