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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816
Even grandma had premarital sex, survey finds
Americans weren't any more chaste in the past, researchers report
Updated: 7:57 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2006
NEW YORK - {AP} More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike,
have had premarital sex, according to a new study. The high rates extend
even to women born in the 1940s, challenging perceptions that people
were more chaste in the past.
“This is reality-check research,” said the study’s author, Lawrence
Finer. “Premarital sex is normal behavior for the vast majority of
Americans, and has been for decades.”
Finer is a research director at the Guttmacher Institute, a private New
York-based think tank that studies sexual and reproductive issues and
which disagrees with government-funded programs that rely primarily on
abstinence-only teachings. The study, released Tuesday, appears in the
new issue of Public Health Reports.
The study, examining how sexual behavior before marriage has changed
over time, was based on interviews conducted with more than 38,000
people — about 33,000 of them women — in 1982, 1988, 1995 and 2002 for
the federal National Survey of Family Growth. According to Finer’s
analysis, 99 percent of the respondents had had sex by age 44, and 95
percent had done so before marriage.
Even among a subgroup of those who abstained from sex until at least age
20, four-fifths had had premarital sex by age 44, the study found.
Sex stable since the '50s
Finer said the likelihood of Americans having sex before marriage has
remained stable since the 1950s, though people now wait longer to get
married and thus are sexually active as singles for extensive periods.
The study found women virtually as likely as men to engage in premarital
sex, even those born decades ago. Among women born between 1950 and
1978, at least 91 percent had had premarital sex by age 30, he said,
while among those born in the 1940s, 88 percent had done so by age 44.
“The data clearly show that the majority of older teens and adults have
already had sex before marriage, which calls into question the federal
government’s funding of abstinence-only-until-marriage programs for 12-
to 29-year-olds,” Finer said.
Under the Bush administration, such programs have received hundreds of
millions of dollars in federal funding.
“It would be more effective,” Finer said, “to provide young people with
the skills and information they need to be safe once they become
sexually active — which nearly everyone eventually will.”
Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families at the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services, defended the abstinence-only
approach for teenagers.
White House: Wait longer, please
“One of its values is to help young people delay the onset of sexual
activity,” he said. “The longer one delays, the fewer lifetime sex
partners they have, and the less the risk of contracting sexually
transmitted disease.”
He insisted there was no federal mission against premarital sex among
adults.
“Absolutely not,” Horn said. “The Bush administration does not believe
the government should be regulating or stigmatizing the behavior of
adults.”
Horn said he found the high percentages of premarital sex cited in the
study to be plausible, and expressed hope that society would not look
askance at the small minority that chooses to remain abstinent before
marriage.
However, Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America, a conservative
group which strongly supports abstinence-only education, said she was
skeptical of the findings.
“Any time I see numbers that high, I’m a little suspicious,” she said.
“The numbers are too pat.”
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20 Dec 2006 04:47:50 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:18:52 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816
Even grandma had premarital sex, survey finds
Americans weren't any more chaste in the past, researchers report
One of the reasons preachers were allowed to marry folks in the early
days of the American colonies was because there were not enough
judges, especially in the outlying areas but there were plenty of
preachers.
Numbers of people lived happily ever after back then without getting
married.
Nothing new here :-)
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Dec 2006 12:04:50 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:47:50 GMT, wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:18:52 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816
Even grandma had premarital sex, survey finds
Americans weren't any more chaste in the past, researchers report
One of the reasons preachers were allowed to marry folks in the early
days of the American colonies was because there were not enough
judges, especially in the outlying areas but there were plenty of
preachers.
Numbers of people lived happily ever after back then without getting
married.
Nothing new here :-)
Nope, nothing new.
Humans love to screw.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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20 Dec 2006 06:45:37 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:18:52 -0800, stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816
Even grandma had premarital sex, survey finds Americans weren't any more
chaste in the past, researchers report
Updated: 7:57 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2006
NEW YORK - {AP} More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike,
have had premarital sex, according to a new study. The high rates extend
even to women born in the 1940s, challenging perceptions that people were
more chaste in the past.
So much for the idea that morality is being eroded by the 'secular
progressives'. If anything, people are being more honest. Isn't that in
*increase* in morality?
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MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Dec 2006 12:05:10 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:45:37 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:18:52 -0800, stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816
Even grandma had premarital sex, survey finds Americans weren't any more
chaste in the past, researchers report
Updated: 7:57 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2006
NEW YORK - {AP} More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike,
have had premarital sex, according to a new study. The high rates extend
even to women born in the 1940s, challenging perceptions that people were
more chaste in the past.
So much for the idea that morality is being eroded by the 'secular
progressives'. If anything, people are being more honest. Isn't that in
*increase* in morality?
In the real world, yes.
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Even grandma had premarital sex, survey finds Americans weren't any more chaste in the past |
20 Dec 2006 03:59:57 PM |
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stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816
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However, Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America, a conservative
group which strongly supports abstinence-only education, said she was
skeptical of the findings.
“Any time I see numbers that high, I’m a little suspicious,” she said.
“The numbers are too pat.”
Only religious fools, and a country which treats them with respect,
could be surprised by this information.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Dec 2006 12:02:58 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:59:57 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816
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However, Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America, a conservative
group which strongly supports abstinence-only education, said she was
skeptical of the findings.
“Any time I see numbers that high, I’m a little suspicious,” she said.
“The numbers are too pat.”
Only religious fools, and a country which treats them with respect,
could be surprised by this information.
Exactly.
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20 Dec 2006 07:20:18 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:59:57 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816
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However, Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America, a conservative
group which strongly supports abstinence-only education, said she was
skeptical of the findings.
“Any time I see numbers that high, I’m a little suspicious,” she said.
“The numbers are too pat.”
Only religious fools, and a country which treats them with respect,
could be surprised by this information.
I remember some conservative politician promoting abstinence-only sex
ed about ten years ago said that abstinence until marriage was the
cultural norm and it should be taught in school. He didn't mention
what planet he was from.
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Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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20 Dec 2006 07:40:25 PM |
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satyr wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:59:57 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Only religious fools, and a country which treats them with respect,
could be surprised by this information.
I remember some conservative politician promoting abstinence-only sex
ed about ten years ago said that abstinence until marriage was the
cultural norm and it should be taught in school. He didn't mention
what planet he was from.
I'm not extremely familiar with ancient African or American cultures,
but in thinking about everyone on the Eurasian continent, I only come up
with Sparta at its height as a place where pre-marriage abstaining from
the opposite sex *may* have been normal, and even then they segregated
the sexes from seven to mid-twenties, plus men who failed to marry by
thirty were ridiculed, so there wasn't much time spent mingling when
single and unmarried.
I can't think of any place or time where both heterosexual and
homosexual abstinence would have been "normal". Expected, yes, but not
practised.
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| User: "johac" |
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21 Dec 2006 12:51:21 AM |
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In article <ls3rbsedwy7x$.1i2jgy8cbtx2w.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
satyr wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:59:57 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Only religious fools, and a country which treats them with respect,
could be surprised by this information.
I remember some conservative politician promoting abstinence-only sex
ed about ten years ago said that abstinence until marriage was the
cultural norm and it should be taught in school. He didn't mention
what planet he was from.
I'm not extremely familiar with ancient African or American cultures,
but in thinking about everyone on the Eurasian continent, I only come up
with Sparta at its height as a place where pre-marriage abstaining from
the opposite sex *may* have been normal, and even then they segregated
the sexes from seven to mid-twenties, plus men who failed to marry by
thirty were ridiculed, so there wasn't much time spent mingling when
single and unmarried.
I can't think of any place or time where both heterosexual and
homosexual abstinence would have been "normal". Expected, yes, but not
practised.
In many strictly Islamic societies today, unmarried men and women are
also segregated and harsh penalties are imposed for transgressions. I'm
sure, however, that 'transgressions' do occur as everywhere else.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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21 Dec 2006 01:23:08 PM |
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johac wrote:
In many strictly Islamic societies today, unmarried men and women are
also segregated and harsh penalties are imposed for transgressions. I'm
sure, however, that 'transgressions' do occur as everywhere else.
Right, it's expected but not practised. In ancient Sparta, though, it
really was pretty much normal, although today we wouldn't consider the
sort of segregation and marriage pressure they accepted as "normal".
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| User: "johac" |
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21 Dec 2006 11:40:30 PM |
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In article <h457wat0uv25.1e8pd34z4goxi.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In many strictly Islamic societies today, unmarried men and women are
also segregated and harsh penalties are imposed for transgressions. I'm
sure, however, that 'transgressions' do occur as everywhere else.
Right, it's expected but not practised. In ancient Sparta, though, it
really was pretty much normal, although today we wouldn't consider the
sort of segregation and marriage pressure they accepted as "normal".
The Spartans were different. Even by the standards of their day.
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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