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Religions > Atheism |
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"Jason Gastrich" |
| Date: |
29 Dec 2004 01:56:12 AM |
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Evidence of God's Existence |
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me to
present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting this
message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for anyone else
who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr. Eddie
Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and audio
formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the audio
debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true. I've written a full and
complete rebuttal to the exhaustive atheist commentary. The commentary is
called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com) and
my rebuttal is called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained
(http://skepticsannotatedbible.org ).
In my rebuttal, I found reasonable and logical explanations for every
single, alleged error in the Bible. Now, I conclude that the Bible is a book
without error. The unverifiable claims can be counted as true by nothing
more than reason or "informed faith."
Fulfilled, biblical prophecy is another authenticator of the scriptures and
of God's existence. For instance, there are numerous Messianic prophecies
that Jesus Christ fulfilled. These can be seen at http://fmp.jcsm.org .
Daniel 9 is a prophetic chapter of the Bible. Those scriptures give us a
mathematical prophecy regarding the day Jesus would enter Jerusalem. You can
see these here: http://daniel9.jcsm.org .
There is an awesome prophecy in Isaiah 53. It describes things hundreds of
years in advance that would happen to Jesus Christ. You can see about this
here: http://www.jcsm.org/biblelessons/Isaiah53.htm .
For more on prophecy, see our prophecy section at
http://www.jcsm.org/BibleLessons.htm#Pro
I know that people have mixed feelings about pasting large amounts of
information (albeit the links above are my original pages) vs. giving links
to the information. If anyone wants me to paste my research from any of my
links into the newsgroup, just let me know. I'd be happy to do it.
Additionally, the Bible is phenomenally unique. Some say that you cannot use
the Bible to support the Bible. However, the Bible was written by 40 people
over thousands of years, in several continents. If a scripture written
before Christ tells us that something will happen much later and a scripture
after Christ tells us that it did happen, then we have fantastic proof of
fulfilled prophecy, God's existence, and the Bible's authenticity.
Here is a page on the Bible's uniqueness. Link:
http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/BibleisUnique.htm .
2. My long term relationship with the biblical God.
I've been saved for over 23 years. When I was 7, I repented from my sins and
believed, trusted, and accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior.
Over the past 23 years, I have cultivated a relationship with the biblical
God. He leads me and directs me. I seek Him for help and for answers. He
blesses me and I bless Him.
I've done miracles in Jesus' name. These miracles include things such as:
a. When I was 26, I began getting eyestrain headaches. My head hurt all the
time, so I went to an eye doctor and she said I needed glasses. I got
glasses and the pains went away.
A few days later, I prayed to God that the pains would leave me for good and
they did. I removed the glasses and never wore them, again. I'm 30 years old
now and I haven't worn glasses since that prayer. I haven't gotten those
headaches, either.
b. When I was playing worship and praying for my college and career Bible
study group in Oceanside, a girl with throat lesions was present. She had
suffered from bulimia and her throat had been seriously burned from stomach
acids. As she was praying and singing, she was healed.
c. At my gym in Escondido, there was a maintenance guy who suffered from
seizures. One day, I asked him if I could lay hands on him and pray that
they would go away. He obliged and I did and he never got the seizures,
again.
In addition to these miracles, I've been given personal testimony regarding
miracles and supernatural things from people that I trust; from people that
had no reason to deceive me. These people include pastors, friends,
missionaries, etc. These things include healing deafness, casting out
demons, etc.
3. The evidence for creation and the terrific weaknesses, flaws, and holes
in the evolutionary/abiogenesis theories.
For instance, where did the "stuff" come from in the Big Bang? Where did
matter originate?
The Bible gives us the answer to this question. God created it.
Where are the numerous transitional fossils that should be present? How can
you tell if a transitional fossil is an intermediate species or simply an
extinct, created species? When you dig it up, you can't tell much more than
that it died. You surely can't tell that it had offspring unlike itself. Yet
this would be required for it to be a legitimate transitional species.
The fossil record doesn't support evolutionism. It supports the Genesis
account of creation. There should be far more fossils and transitionals if
Darwin's theory was true. He even said so before his death.
The atheist's mantra is, "Give it enough time and anything can happen."
Whenever you hear that phrase, "billions and billions of years," picture the
evolutionists' magic wand. They don't like to call their world view what it
is, but it's called faith. They are making statements about the distant,
unobservable past and they are little more than faith-filled guesses based
on assumptions like everything has always decayed at a constant rate.
Do you honestly think that secular scientists can be objective? Consider
their indoctrination.
A boy goes to elementary school and learns about ONLY the theory of
evolution. He continues into middle school and learns the same. He graduates
and attends high school and continues to learn ONLY evolutionary theory.
Afterwards, he goes to college and is further indoctrinated with
evolutionism. He also attends graduate school and does post-graduate
studies - all the while - studying evolutionism and being taught that it is
a fact.
These are the kinds of people that some look to for objective truth
regarding our origins and the origin of species. Can these people really be
trusted to think openly and honestly?
The indoctrinated evolutionist gets no raises or accolades for suddenly
proposing creationist theories. In fact, he or she gets laughed at, scorned,
and perhaps even fired for simply thinking openly about these things.
Some same the scientists at creation institutes like Answers in Genesis are
not doing real science because they sign a statement regarding their belief
in a young earth. No matter how much you think that they can't think openly,
the indoctrinated evolutionist that I just described cannot think any more
clearly.
There is all kind of evidence for creation. There are all kinds of
indicators that the Earth is young. If you haven't spent some time at
Answers in Genesis, then I suggest you do. This organization has scientists
with secular degrees that write in peer-reviewed journals. They know
evolutionary theory quite well and they reject it.
AIG's scientists know that God exists and that the Earth is young. I'm not a
scientist, but if you ever gave me a scientific argument, I would research
it with them. Furthermore, their words must be more authoritative than any
pop-scientist at talk.origins or the like. Writing in peer-reviewed journals
is the benchmark for real science and we all know that talk.origins has no
such benchmark.
I host and direct a site called Young Earth Creation Science -
http://yecs.org . If you'd like to see some arguments for creation, please
go there and you'll see hundreds.
4. God is a pre-condition of logic, reason, and morality.
Atheists tend to tell people what is right and wrong. How did they know? How
can they be so automatically certain that certain things are wrong?
God has given all people a conscious and ingrained inside of us certain
truths. It is these objective truths that people can automatically sense.
I attest to you that atheists will use terms like logic and reason, but they
will not be able to tell us where they originated. I will tell you today
where they originated. They came from God.
The very reasoning that tell us certain things are right and certain things
are wrong came from the biblical God. Without Him, these things would not be
universally known and understood.
Without an objective source of morality, you are left with subjective
morality. As you know, subjective morality allows people to change "truth"
and make it whatever they wish based on their feelings and biases. Is this
really truth?
With God's inerrant Word, we have an objective source of truth that has
stood the test of time. It has been proven to be true. It cannot be changed.
This concludes my argument for God's existence. If you wish to contact me
directly, please use the form at http://jcsm.org/contact.php . I'd be happy
to field questions via email and through the newsgroup.
Now, please don't forget that I was asked to make this post. Several people
told me I should post an argument for God's existence, so I did. I hope I'm
not accused of preaching or belittled. I may be just like you. My criteria
for evidence has simply been met when it comes to the existence of God and I
'm happy to share the above with you.
Space and time don't allow everything God has done for me or through me.
Perhaps I'll be able to write more at a later time.
I'm just a sinner saved by God's grace. I'm not perfect or holier than
everyone. I make mistakes and I need God's forgiveness.
The difference between me and the atheist isn't necessarily my "goodness."
It's my "forgiveness." I've been forgiven by God because I've humbly
approached Him, confessed my sins, and believed in Jesus Christ. If you wish
to know more about the gospel message, we have it in audio and text formats
on our web site. See http://gospel.jcsm.org .
Lastly, I wish I could give everyone that responds a lengthy, personal
response or a point by point message that addresses every single thing said.
I want nothing more for you to have the same hope and joy that I have inside
of me. However, based on the number of responses I receive, I may be unable
to do so. I pray for your understanding and I hope to respond to everyone I
can. Incidentally, those that don't curse and swear at me will get my
respect and cause me to want to hurry and write back.
May God richly bless you.
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
02 Jan 2005 09:01:28 AM |
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In our last episode <33qf6hF43crf4U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:tfqdnaWkjalS50rcRVn-rA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <IDEBd.37967$nP1.36808@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler. You can't be
trusted, but that has been obvious to the majority of honest people for
some time now.
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned
if doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
That smart huh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 01:20:00 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:36:04 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:tfqdnaWkjalS50rcRVn-rA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <IDEBd.37967$nP1.36808@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler. You can't be trusted,
but that has been obvious to the majority of honest people for some time
now.
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned if
doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Long ago.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
02 Jan 2005 11:27:40 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned if
doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob
of rocks outside your door demanding you take back
what they deem is a 'racial slur' against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and
pitchforks, though...
--
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
02 Jan 2005 11:51:22 AM |
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"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned if
doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob
of rocks outside your door demanding you take back
what they deem is a 'racial slur' against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and
pitchforks, though...
Whoa! I wondered what the heck was going on out there.
I take it back, I take it back!!!!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
02 Jan 2005 01:40:22 PM |
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In our last episode <33qqkmF43gkdsU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned
if doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob of rocks outside
your door demanding you take back what they deem is a 'racial slur'
against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and pitchforks,
though...
Whoa! I wondered what the heck was going on out there.
I take it back, I take it back!!!!
Oh no! They're throwing... themselves...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "MrD" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
02 Jan 2005 01:41:26 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:0J-dnfbyhuG60EXcRVn-jA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <33qqkmF43gkdsU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned
if doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob of rocks outside
your door demanding you take back what they deem is a 'racial slur'
against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and pitchforks,
though...
Whoa! I wondered what the heck was going on out there.
I take it back, I take it back!!!!
Oh no! They're throwing... themselves...
Are you saying that Robibnikoff is getting stoned?!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jan 2005 08:02:56 AM |
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In our last episode <cr9ikg$jl6$1@news.netins.net>, MrD lept out of the
bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:0J-dnfbyhuG60EXcRVn-jA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <33qqkmF43gkdsU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and
damned if doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob of rocks
outside your door demanding you take back what they deem is a 'racial
slur' against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and pitchforks,
though...
Whoa! I wondered what the heck was going on out there.
I take it back, I take it back!!!!
Oh no! They're throwing... themselves...
Are you saying that Robibnikoff is getting stoned?!
Dude, you ever really *looked at your keyboard?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 06:40:09 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:0J-dnfbyhuG60EXcRVn-jA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <33qqkmF43gkdsU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned
if doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob of rocks outside
your door demanding you take back what they deem is a 'racial slur'
against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and pitchforks,
though...
Whoa! I wondered what the heck was going on out there.
I take it back, I take it back!!!!
Oh no! They're throwing... themselves...
Damn! They're denting the siding!!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jan 2005 08:02:39 AM |
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In our last episode <33ssp8F44a10kU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:0J-dnfbyhuG60EXcRVn-jA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <33qqkmF43gkdsU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and
damned if doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob of rocks outside
your door demanding you take back what they deem is a 'racial slur'
against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and pitchforks,
though...
Whoa! I wondered what the heck was going on out there.
I take it back, I take it back!!!!
Oh no! They're throwing... themselves...
Damn! They're denting the siding!!
At least the boulders are too heavy to heave themselves.
(That's almost Zen)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 08:02:59 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <33ssp8F44a10kU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:0J-dnfbyhuG60EXcRVn-jA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <33qqkmF43gkdsU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and
damned if doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob of rocks outside
your door demanding you take back what they deem is a 'racial slur'
against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and pitchforks,
though...
Whoa! I wondered what the heck was going on out there.
I take it back, I take it back!!!!
Oh no! They're throwing... themselves...
Damn! They're denting the siding!!
At least the boulders are too heavy to heave themselves.
Wouldn't that sort of thing make them go blind?
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jan 2005 01:53:41 PM |
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In our last episode <78fe4$41d9516b$51569c09$15490@nf1.news-service.com>,
Kevin Anthoney lept out of the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <33ssp8F44a10kU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:0J-dnfbyhuG60EXcRVn-jA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <33qqkmF43gkdsU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Randy Day" <ruthal@sasktel.nex> wrote in message
news:10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and
damned if doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob of rocks
outside your door demanding you take back what they deem is a
'racial slur' against them.
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and pitchforks,
though...
Whoa! I wondered what the heck was going on out there.
I take it back, I take it back!!!!
Oh no! They're throwing... themselves...
Damn! They're denting the siding!!
At least the boulders are too heavy to heave themselves.
Wouldn't that sort of thing make them go blind?
<snork>
This has something to do with moss growing on rocks doesn't it?
(You got good aim. I suspect I'm one of the few on this side of the pond
that'll catch that. <G>)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
02 Jan 2005 09:58:27 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:27:40 -0600, Randy Day wrote
(in article <10tgbo099h8mheb@corp.supernews.com>):
Robibnikoff wrote:
[snip]
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned if
doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
I'm come to the conclusion that Jason is dumb as a rock.
Uh, Robyn, the EAC webcams have detected an angry mob
of rocks outside your door demanding you take back
what they deem is a 'racial slur' against them.
Hell of a way to get "stoned," don't you think?
Beats me how they manage to hold up the torches and
pitchforks, though...
Magnetic personalities?
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Head up my *****, indeed. I mean look! I can see the Islets of Langerhans from
here!"--Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Jan 2005 01:18:29 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:42:52 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <IDEBd.37967$nP1.36808@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler. You can't be trusted,
but that has been obvious to the majority of honest people for some time
now.
Hm. He's posted a scan of the abstract of the actual docket and damned if
doesn't say "Demand: $2,000."
I believe we know who's been doing the lying...
Sans surprise. What a lovely example of "Christian Morality(tm)"
Jason is.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
01 Jan 2005 09:05:46 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
lizzard woman wrote:
<hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision,
Jason
- is there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin" commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be
doing
you no special favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision, the judge's name, the name of the legal
representation - all DESPITE your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Can you please abstract the case for us? I'd like to know
what
happened.
Thanks in advance,
Indeed.
In fact, we already see some dispute. Jason claims he only
asked
for $200 in damages, and that is what appears in the original,
hand-written complaint.
But for some reason, the actual court documents indicate
"Demand:
$2000."
Prove it. This is bogus.
At the moment, that's the information that I have, Jason.
See below:
It changed somewhere. Exactly where won't be clear until I
have
the entire package to consider.
Jason also didn't seem to know the origination of the OCCM logo
that was used.
And, as we have seen elsewhere in these threads, he has no clue
about copyright law.
It should be interesting. I am looking forward to reading the
entire package.
Apparently, you're into knee-jerk responses without reading the
entire message.
But some things will have to wait, Jason. My PACER account is
expired, so I have to rely on the receipt of the actual
transcript.
Until then, feel free to squirm.
. . . until you prove what you're saying, you're lying.
A lie is a deliberate deception, Jason - something in which I've
never
engaged.
Would that the same could be said for you.
This is par for the course for you, though.
Really!
In what way?
You've constantly lied and made false judgments
about a variety of things.
And yet, you can't seem to find a one that will stand up to
examination.
Meanwhile, you make constant demands to "prove it," while ignoring
my
questions or telling me flat-out that you won't answer them.
So, no, Jason, I never lie - as you have done - and I don't make
false
judgements.
What I will do is play this by MY rules, not yours.
This has lowered your credibility even more.
With whom, Jason?
My credibility doesn't seem to be a problem.
I'm not the one who made amazing claims and then ran when he got
challenged over and over again.
You did that.
And you came back telling us you would clear things up, but
instead,
you've been mean-spirited, dilatory, and immune to reason.
The Madison thread is an excellent example.
Don't worry, Jason. It won't be for much longer. You, yourself,
have
said you'll ru...uh, leave soon.
But it won't be an easy exit.
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler.
http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg
< snip >
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 01:05:50 PM |
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On 1 Jan 2005 19:05:46 -0800, wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
lizzard woman wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision,
Jason
- is there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin" commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be
doing
you no special favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision, the judge's name, the name of the legal
representation - all DESPITE your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Can you please abstract the case for us? I'd like to know
what
happened.
Thanks in advance,
Indeed.
In fact, we already see some dispute. Jason claims he only
asked
for $200 in damages, and that is what appears in the original,
hand-written complaint.
But for some reason, the actual court documents indicate
"Demand:
$2000."
Prove it. This is bogus.
At the moment, that's the information that I have, Jason.
See below:
It changed somewhere. Exactly where won't be clear until I
have
the entire package to consider.
Jason also didn't seem to know the origination of the OCCM logo
that was used.
And, as we have seen elsewhere in these threads, he has no clue
about copyright law.
It should be interesting. I am looking forward to reading the
entire package.
Apparently, you're into knee-jerk responses without reading the
entire message.
But some things will have to wait, Jason. My PACER account is
expired, so I have to rely on the receipt of the actual
transcript.
Until then, feel free to squirm.
. . . until you prove what you're saying, you're lying.
A lie is a deliberate deception, Jason - something in which I've
never
engaged.
Would that the same could be said for you.
This is par for the course for you, though.
Really!
In what way?
You've constantly lied and made false judgments
about a variety of things.
And yet, you can't seem to find a one that will stand up to
examination.
Meanwhile, you make constant demands to "prove it," while ignoring
my
questions or telling me flat-out that you won't answer them.
So, no, Jason, I never lie - as you have done - and I don't make
false
judgements.
What I will do is play this by MY rules, not yours.
This has lowered your credibility even more.
With whom, Jason?
My credibility doesn't seem to be a problem.
I'm not the one who made amazing claims and then ran when he got
challenged over and over again.
You did that.
And you came back telling us you would clear things up, but
instead,
you've been mean-spirited, dilatory, and immune to reason.
The Madison thread is an excellent example.
Don't worry, Jason. It won't be for much longer. You, yourself,
have
said you'll ru...uh, leave soon.
But it won't be an easy exit.
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler.
http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg
ROFLMAO!!!! Jason, you're as a toddler caught with his hand in the
cookie jar with cookie crumbs all over your face proclaiming your
innocence.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
04 Jan 2005 08:34:10 AM |
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In our last episode <3p5jt05ft30n56c3580pv0v30dieo9jtoh@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On 1 Jan 2005 19:05:46 -0800, wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
lizzard woman wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision,
Jason
- is there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin" commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be
doing
you no special favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision, the judge's name, the name of the legal
representation - all DESPITE your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Can you please abstract the case for us? I'd like to know
what
happened.
Thanks in advance,
Indeed.
In fact, we already see some dispute. Jason claims he only
asked
for $200 in damages, and that is what appears in the original,
hand-written complaint.
But for some reason, the actual court documents indicate
"Demand:
$2000."
Prove it. This is bogus.
At the moment, that's the information that I have, Jason.
See below:
It changed somewhere. Exactly where won't be clear until I
have
the entire package to consider.
Jason also didn't seem to know the origination of the OCCM logo
that was used.
And, as we have seen elsewhere in these threads, he has no clue
about copyright law.
It should be interesting. I am looking forward to reading the
entire package.
Apparently, you're into knee-jerk responses without reading the
entire message.
But some things will have to wait, Jason. My PACER account is
expired, so I have to rely on the receipt of the actual
transcript.
Until then, feel free to squirm.
. . . until you prove what you're saying, you're lying.
A lie is a deliberate deception, Jason - something in which I've
never
engaged.
Would that the same could be said for you.
This is par for the course for you, though.
Really!
In what way?
You've constantly lied and made false judgments about a variety of
things.
And yet, you can't seem to find a one that will stand up to
examination.
Meanwhile, you make constant demands to "prove it," while ignoring
my
questions or telling me flat-out that you won't answer them.
So, no, Jason, I never lie - as you have done - and I don't make
false
judgements.
What I will do is play this by MY rules, not yours.
This has lowered your credibility even more.
With whom, Jason?
My credibility doesn't seem to be a problem.
I'm not the one who made amazing claims and then ran when he got
challenged over and over again.
You did that.
And you came back telling us you would clear things up, but
instead,
you've been mean-spirited, dilatory, and immune to reason.
The Madison thread is an excellent example.
Don't worry, Jason. It won't be for much longer. You, yourself,
have
said you'll ru...uh, leave soon.
But it won't be an easy exit.
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler.
http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg
ROFLMAO!!!! Jason, you're as a toddler caught with his hand in the cookie
jar with cookie crumbs all over your face proclaiming your innocence.
Now he's claiming it's been "altered."
Why, it's a KUNSPIRSEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
04 Jan 2005 06:10:38 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:34:10 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <3p5jt05ft30n56c3580pv0v30dieo9jtoh@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On 1 Jan 2005 19:05:46 -0800, wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
lizzard woman wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision,
Jason
- is there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin" commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be
doing
you no special favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision, the judge's name, the name of the legal
representation - all DESPITE your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Can you please abstract the case for us? I'd like to know
what
happened.
Thanks in advance,
Indeed.
In fact, we already see some dispute. Jason claims he only
asked
for $200 in damages, and that is what appears in the original,
hand-written complaint.
But for some reason, the actual court documents indicate
"Demand:
$2000."
Prove it. This is bogus.
At the moment, that's the information that I have, Jason.
See below:
It changed somewhere. Exactly where won't be clear until I
have
the entire package to consider.
Jason also didn't seem to know the origination of the OCCM logo
that was used.
And, as we have seen elsewhere in these threads, he has no clue
about copyright law.
It should be interesting. I am looking forward to reading the
entire package.
Apparently, you're into knee-jerk responses without reading the
entire message.
But some things will have to wait, Jason. My PACER account is
expired, so I have to rely on the receipt of the actual
transcript.
Until then, feel free to squirm.
. . . until you prove what you're saying, you're lying.
A lie is a deliberate deception, Jason - something in which I've
never
engaged.
Would that the same could be said for you.
This is par for the course for you, though.
Really!
In what way?
You've constantly lied and made false judgments about a variety of
things.
And yet, you can't seem to find a one that will stand up to
examination.
Meanwhile, you make constant demands to "prove it," while ignoring
my
questions or telling me flat-out that you won't answer them.
So, no, Jason, I never lie - as you have done - and I don't make
false
judgements.
What I will do is play this by MY rules, not yours.
This has lowered your credibility even more.
With whom, Jason?
My credibility doesn't seem to be a problem.
I'm not the one who made amazing claims and then ran when he got
challenged over and over again.
You did that.
And you came back telling us you would clear things up, but
instead,
you've been mean-spirited, dilatory, and immune to reason.
The Madison thread is an excellent example.
Don't worry, Jason. It won't be for much longer. You, yourself,
have
said you'll ru...uh, leave soon.
But it won't be an easy exit.
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler.
http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg
ROFLMAO!!!! Jason, you're as a toddler caught with his hand in the cookie
jar with cookie crumbs all over your face proclaiming your innocence.
Now he's claiming it's been "altered."
Why, it's a KUNSPIRSEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason's an ignorant *****.
/me annoints Jason with the 'golden flow.'
"Jesus" commands you to rejoyce, oh slave.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
04 Jan 2005 08:37:19 PM |
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In our last episode <r1cmt0lt0fvsv70mqbon1o6f9cf2oinr5j@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:34:10 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <3p5jt05ft30n56c3580pv0v30dieo9jtoh@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On 1 Jan 2005 19:05:46 -0800, wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
lizzard woman wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision,
Jason
- is there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin" commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be
doing
you no special favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision, the judge's name, the name of the legal
representation - all DESPITE your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Can you please abstract the case for us? I'd like to know
what
happened.
Thanks in advance,
Indeed.
In fact, we already see some dispute. Jason claims he only
asked
for $200 in damages, and that is what appears in the original,
hand-written complaint.
But for some reason, the actual court documents indicate
"Demand:
$2000."
Prove it. This is bogus.
At the moment, that's the information that I have, Jason.
See below:
It changed somewhere. Exactly where won't be clear until I
have
the entire package to consider.
Jason also didn't seem to know the origination of the OCCM logo
that was used.
And, as we have seen elsewhere in these threads, he has no clue
about copyright law.
It should be interesting. I am looking forward to reading the
entire package.
Apparently, you're into knee-jerk responses without reading the
entire message.
But some things will have to wait, Jason. My PACER account is
expired, so I have to rely on the receipt of the actual
transcript.
Until then, feel free to squirm.
. . . until you prove what you're saying, you're lying.
A lie is a deliberate deception, Jason - something in which I've
never
engaged.
Would that the same could be said for you.
This is par for the course for you, though.
Really!
In what way?
You've constantly lied and made false judgments about a variety of
things.
And yet, you can't seem to find a one that will stand up to
examination.
Meanwhile, you make constant demands to "prove it," while ignoring
my
questions or telling me flat-out that you won't answer them.
So, no, Jason, I never lie - as you have done - and I don't make
false
judgements.
What I will do is play this by MY rules, not yours.
This has lowered your credibility even more.
With whom, Jason?
My credibility doesn't seem to be a problem.
I'm not the one who made amazing claims and then ran when he got
challenged over and over again.
You did that.
And you came back telling us you would clear things up, but
instead,
you've been mean-spirited, dilatory, and immune to reason.
The Madison thread is an excellent example.
Don't worry, Jason. It won't be for much longer. You, yourself,
have
said you'll ru...uh, leave soon.
But it won't be an easy exit.
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler.
http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg
ROFLMAO!!!! Jason, you're as a toddler caught with his hand in the
cookie jar with cookie crumbs all over your face proclaiming your
innocence.
Now he's claiming it's been "altered."
Why, it's a KUNSPIRSEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason's an ignorant *****.
/me annoints Jason with the 'golden flow.'
Hey, are you trying to steal Tukla's job???
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
05 Jan 2005 03:51:12 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:37:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <r1cmt0lt0fvsv70mqbon1o6f9cf2oinr5j@4ax.com>, stoney
lept out of the bushes shouting:
[]
You lied about me seeking $2000 from Bill Butler.
http://www.geocities.com/hdsienkiewicz/JG_DOC_A.jpg
ROFLMAO!!!! Jason, you're as a toddler caught with his hand in the
cookie jar with cookie crumbs all over your face proclaiming your
innocence.
Now he's claiming it's been "altered."
Why, it's a KUNSPIRSEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason's an ignorant *****.
/me annoints Jason with the 'golden flow.'
Hey, are you trying to steal Tukla's job???
Nah. Just indicating this case has high priority for him.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
02 Jan 2005 10:39:17 AM |
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On 1 Jan 2005 09:54:33 -0800, wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
lizzard woman wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision, Jason -
is
there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin"
commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be doing you no
special favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision, the judge's name, the name of the legal representation
-
all DESPITE your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Can you please abstract the case for us? I'd like to know what
happened.
Thanks in advance,
Indeed.
In fact, we already see some dispute. Jason claims he only asked
for
$200 in damages, and that is what appears in the original,
hand-written complaint.
But for some reason, the actual court documents indicate "Demand:
$2000."
Prove it. This is bogus.
At the moment, that's the information that I have, Jason.
See below:
It changed somewhere. Exactly where won't be clear until I have
the
entire package to consider.
Jason also didn't seem to know the origination of the OCCM logo
that
was used.
And, as we have seen elsewhere in these threads, he has no clue
about
copyright law.
It should be interesting. I am looking forward to reading the
entire
package.
Apparently, you're into knee-jerk responses without reading the entire
message.
But some things will have to wait, Jason. My PACER account is expired,
so I have to rely on the receipt of the actual transcript.
Until then, feel free to squirm.
ROFLMAO at the imagery.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
31 Dec 2004 07:30:00 AM |
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Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision, Jason - is
there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your "spin"
commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be doing you no special
favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the decision,
the judge's name, the name of the legal representation - all DESPITE
your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Well whoopee.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
31 Dec 2004 07:45:47 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision, Jason -
is
there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin"
commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be doing you no
special
favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision,
the judge's name, the name of the legal representation - all
DESPITE
your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Well whoopee.
Well, Davey, this does have a parallel of sorts in a recent
misadventure of yours, eh?
Do you have some reasonable explanation as to why Jason would not
provide a simple case number, oh, something like "04CV1571?"
Since Jason won't explain it, maybe you can. You're his
pit-toy-poodle, after all.
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
31 Dec 2004 01:25:40 PM |
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Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1104500747.929204.175760@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision, Jason -
is
there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin"
commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be doing you no
special
favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision,
the judge's name, the name of the legal representation - all
DESPITE
your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Well whoopee.
Well, Davey, this does have a parallel of sorts in a recent
misadventure of yours, eh?
Well, I said sorry for that.
You seem to think it's a good idea to refer to it anyway.
Do you have some reasonable explanation as to why Jason would not
provide a simple case number, oh, something like "04CV1571?"
Have you just gone and given the real case number over Usenet?
Since Jason won't explain it, maybe you can. You're his
pit-toy-poodle, after all.
Am I, indeed?
You're rather overpolitical, and judging me by your own standards. All I
want is fairness and the willingness to look again at your prejudices.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
01 Jan 2005 07:29:41 AM |
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In our last episode <cr497b$vmf$0@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Have you just gone and given the real case number over Usenet?
According to Jason Gastrich, that is the number:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/7569e386dc024392
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?K3B42132A)
Scroll down to the "Dear Host Europe" email and he appears to cite the
number himself...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
31 Dec 2004 08:16:29 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1104500747.929204.175760@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision, Jason -
is
there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin"
commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be doing you no
special
favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision,
the judge's name, the name of the legal representation - all
DESPITE
your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Well whoopee.
Well, Davey, this does have a parallel of sorts in a recent
misadventure of yours, eh?
Well, I said sorry for that.
You seem to think it's a good idea to refer to it anyway.
Do you have some reasonable explanation as to why Jason would not
provide a simple case number, oh, something like "04CV1571?"
Have you just gone and given the real case number over Usenet?
What's the problem with that? In Wisconsin, court cases are
generally public record (with exceptions for juveniles, rape
cases, etc.) One can look them up on-line, albeit there is
often a lag due to some jurisdictions being dilatory in
uploading them. I've also gone to the courthouse and read and
copied actual documents from civil cases, including exhibits.
Is it different in California? Are court case numbers not
public record there? Or is the concern similar to the one some
have about posting, e.g., RL phone numbers?
<snip>
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
31 Dec 2004 03:37:20 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1104500747.929204.175760@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1104437642.705727.153620@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
< snip >
The case number and the Court that issued the decision,
Jason -
is
there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your
"spin"
commentary and "watch" (gossip) groups. I'll be doing you no
special
favors.
Well, I now have the case number, the Court that rendered the
decision,
the judge's name, the name of the legal representation - all
DESPITE
your lack of cooperation, Jason.
Just thought I'd share that.
Well whoopee.
Well, Davey, this does have a parallel of sorts in a recent
misadventure of yours, eh?
Well, I said sorry for that.
You seem to think it's a good idea to refer to it anyway.
I would have preferred not to, Davey, but you have forced the issue.
Do you have some reasonable explanation as to why Jason would not
provide a simple case number, oh, something like "04CV1571?"
Have you just gone and given the real case number over Usenet?
Yes, I have.
It's a public record, Davey. It doesn't take much to find it out.
Are you worried about something?
Is Jason?
Since Jason won't explain it, maybe you can. You're his
pit-toy-poodle, after all.
Am I, indeed?
Indeed.
You're rather overpolitical, and judging me by your own standards.
Of course. What standards am I SUPPOSED to use?
All I want is fairness
No, Davey, you want fairness only when you and yours aren't under the
microscope.
and the willingness to look again at your prejudices.
I face them every day, Davey.
You?
Tell me, Davey, what is your general opinion of "atheists?"
Do you lump them all into a broad group, as Jason does, and tell others
that they are either "arguing like atheists" or are "like every other
atheist" you have ever encountered.
Those are a couple of Jason's catch-phrases.
By the way, Davey, when I told Jason that even you have suggested that
he has maturity issues, that is, as you have said, that he's young and
inexperienced, Jason had a fit, but you were nowhere to be found in
that exchange.
Tell me you missed it.
I might even believe you.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
30 Dec 2004 03:44:21 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Evidence of God's Existence
< snip >
Starting to settle, at last!
Jason, I'll begin my rebuttal of this tomorrow, and I have already
posted a separate thread that has not appeared in Google, for some
reason, perhaps, related to their new structure.
That separate thread was to ask you AGAIN for the case number so
that
the decision in the Court between you and Durango Bill can be
objectively evaluated and examined, in short, so that we can
discern
if you are telling the truth about that decision.
Obviously, if you are, you have nothing to fear and everything to
gain
by helping us with the very simple information that is needed: The
case number and which Court issued the decision.
Yes, these things can be found, but if you act in a dilatory
fashion
with respect to such a request and given what is clearly a less
than
sterling reputation that you enjoy in the groups, surely even YOU
can
see that this will not be looked upon favorably.
The case number and the Court that issued the decision, Jason - is
there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your "spin"
commentary
Hey, by the way, what was it about the "spin" commentary that you
didn't appreciate and why?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
31 Dec 2004 02:51:00 AM |
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wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Evidence of God's Existence
< snip >
Starting to settle, at last!
Jason, I'll begin my rebuttal of this tomorrow, and I have
already
posted a separate thread that has not appeared in Google, for
some
reason, perhaps, related to their new structure.
That separate thread was to ask you AGAIN for the case number so
that
the decision in the Court between you and Durango Bill can be
objectively evaluated and examined, in short, so that we can
discern
if you are telling the truth about that decision.
Obviously, if you are, you have nothing to fear and everything to
gain
by helping us with the very simple information that is needed:
The
case number and which Court issued the decision.
Yes, these things can be found, but if you act in a dilatory
fashion
with respect to such a request and given what is clearly a less
than
sterling reputation that you enjoy in the groups, surely even YOU
can
see that this will not be looked upon favorably.
The case number and the Court that issued the decision, Jason -
is
there a problem?
Sorry, David. I don't trust you and I don't appreciate your "spin"
commentary
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