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"Jason Gastrich" |
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29 Dec 2004 01:56:12 AM |
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Evidence of God's Existence |
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me to
present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting this
message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for anyone else
who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr. Eddie
Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and audio
formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the audio
debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true. I've written a full and
complete rebuttal to the exhaustive atheist commentary. The commentary is
called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com) and
my rebuttal is called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained
(http://skepticsannotatedbible.org ).
In my rebuttal, I found reasonable and logical explanations for every
single, alleged error in the Bible. Now, I conclude that the Bible is a book
without error. The unverifiable claims can be counted as true by nothing
more than reason or "informed faith."
Fulfilled, biblical prophecy is another authenticator of the scriptures and
of God's existence. For instance, there are numerous Messianic prophecies
that Jesus Christ fulfilled. These can be seen at http://fmp.jcsm.org .
Daniel 9 is a prophetic chapter of the Bible. Those scriptures give us a
mathematical prophecy regarding the day Jesus would enter Jerusalem. You can
see these here: http://daniel9.jcsm.org .
There is an awesome prophecy in Isaiah 53. It describes things hundreds of
years in advance that would happen to Jesus Christ. You can see about this
here: http://www.jcsm.org/biblelessons/Isaiah53.htm .
For more on prophecy, see our prophecy section at
http://www.jcsm.org/BibleLessons.htm#Pro
I know that people have mixed feelings about pasting large amounts of
information (albeit the links above are my original pages) vs. giving links
to the information. If anyone wants me to paste my research from any of my
links into the newsgroup, just let me know. I'd be happy to do it.
Additionally, the Bible is phenomenally unique. Some say that you cannot use
the Bible to support the Bible. However, the Bible was written by 40 people
over thousands of years, in several continents. If a scripture written
before Christ tells us that something will happen much later and a scripture
after Christ tells us that it did happen, then we have fantastic proof of
fulfilled prophecy, God's existence, and the Bible's authenticity.
Here is a page on the Bible's uniqueness. Link:
http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/BibleisUnique.htm .
2. My long term relationship with the biblical God.
I've been saved for over 23 years. When I was 7, I repented from my sins and
believed, trusted, and accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior.
Over the past 23 years, I have cultivated a relationship with the biblical
God. He leads me and directs me. I seek Him for help and for answers. He
blesses me and I bless Him.
I've done miracles in Jesus' name. These miracles include things such as:
a. When I was 26, I began getting eyestrain headaches. My head hurt all the
time, so I went to an eye doctor and she said I needed glasses. I got
glasses and the pains went away.
A few days later, I prayed to God that the pains would leave me for good and
they did. I removed the glasses and never wore them, again. I'm 30 years old
now and I haven't worn glasses since that prayer. I haven't gotten those
headaches, either.
b. When I was playing worship and praying for my college and career Bible
study group in Oceanside, a girl with throat lesions was present. She had
suffered from bulimia and her throat had been seriously burned from stomach
acids. As she was praying and singing, she was healed.
c. At my gym in Escondido, there was a maintenance guy who suffered from
seizures. One day, I asked him if I could lay hands on him and pray that
they would go away. He obliged and I did and he never got the seizures,
again.
In addition to these miracles, I've been given personal testimony regarding
miracles and supernatural things from people that I trust; from people that
had no reason to deceive me. These people include pastors, friends,
missionaries, etc. These things include healing deafness, casting out
demons, etc.
3. The evidence for creation and the terrific weaknesses, flaws, and holes
in the evolutionary/abiogenesis theories.
For instance, where did the "stuff" come from in the Big Bang? Where did
matter originate?
The Bible gives us the answer to this question. God created it.
Where are the numerous transitional fossils that should be present? How can
you tell if a transitional fossil is an intermediate species or simply an
extinct, created species? When you dig it up, you can't tell much more than
that it died. You surely can't tell that it had offspring unlike itself. Yet
this would be required for it to be a legitimate transitional species.
The fossil record doesn't support evolutionism. It supports the Genesis
account of creation. There should be far more fossils and transitionals if
Darwin's theory was true. He even said so before his death.
The atheist's mantra is, "Give it enough time and anything can happen."
Whenever you hear that phrase, "billions and billions of years," picture the
evolutionists' magic wand. They don't like to call their world view what it
is, but it's called faith. They are making statements about the distant,
unobservable past and they are little more than faith-filled guesses based
on assumptions like everything has always decayed at a constant rate.
Do you honestly think that secular scientists can be objective? Consider
their indoctrination.
A boy goes to elementary school and learns about ONLY the theory of
evolution. He continues into middle school and learns the same. He graduates
and attends high school and continues to learn ONLY evolutionary theory.
Afterwards, he goes to college and is further indoctrinated with
evolutionism. He also attends graduate school and does post-graduate
studies - all the while - studying evolutionism and being taught that it is
a fact.
These are the kinds of people that some look to for objective truth
regarding our origins and the origin of species. Can these people really be
trusted to think openly and honestly?
The indoctrinated evolutionist gets no raises or accolades for suddenly
proposing creationist theories. In fact, he or she gets laughed at, scorned,
and perhaps even fired for simply thinking openly about these things.
Some same the scientists at creation institutes like Answers in Genesis are
not doing real science because they sign a statement regarding their belief
in a young earth. No matter how much you think that they can't think openly,
the indoctrinated evolutionist that I just described cannot think any more
clearly.
There is all kind of evidence for creation. There are all kinds of
indicators that the Earth is young. If you haven't spent some time at
Answers in Genesis, then I suggest you do. This organization has scientists
with secular degrees that write in peer-reviewed journals. They know
evolutionary theory quite well and they reject it.
AIG's scientists know that God exists and that the Earth is young. I'm not a
scientist, but if you ever gave me a scientific argument, I would research
it with them. Furthermore, their words must be more authoritative than any
pop-scientist at talk.origins or the like. Writing in peer-reviewed journals
is the benchmark for real science and we all know that talk.origins has no
such benchmark.
I host and direct a site called Young Earth Creation Science -
http://yecs.org . If you'd like to see some arguments for creation, please
go there and you'll see hundreds.
4. God is a pre-condition of logic, reason, and morality.
Atheists tend to tell people what is right and wrong. How did they know? How
can they be so automatically certain that certain things are wrong?
God has given all people a conscious and ingrained inside of us certain
truths. It is these objective truths that people can automatically sense.
I attest to you that atheists will use terms like logic and reason, but they
will not be able to tell us where they originated. I will tell you today
where they originated. They came from God.
The very reasoning that tell us certain things are right and certain things
are wrong came from the biblical God. Without Him, these things would not be
universally known and understood.
Without an objective source of morality, you are left with subjective
morality. As you know, subjective morality allows people to change "truth"
and make it whatever they wish based on their feelings and biases. Is this
really truth?
With God's inerrant Word, we have an objective source of truth that has
stood the test of time. It has been proven to be true. It cannot be changed.
This concludes my argument for God's existence. If you wish to contact me
directly, please use the form at http://jcsm.org/contact.php . I'd be happy
to field questions via email and through the newsgroup.
Now, please don't forget that I was asked to make this post. Several people
told me I should post an argument for God's existence, so I did. I hope I'm
not accused of preaching or belittled. I may be just like you. My criteria
for evidence has simply been met when it comes to the existence of God and I
'm happy to share the above with you.
Space and time don't allow everything God has done for me or through me.
Perhaps I'll be able to write more at a later time.
I'm just a sinner saved by God's grace. I'm not perfect or holier than
everyone. I make mistakes and I need God's forgiveness.
The difference between me and the atheist isn't necessarily my "goodness."
It's my "forgiveness." I've been forgiven by God because I've humbly
approached Him, confessed my sins, and believed in Jesus Christ. If you wish
to know more about the gospel message, we have it in audio and text formats
on our web site. See http://gospel.jcsm.org .
Lastly, I wish I could give everyone that responds a lengthy, personal
response or a point by point message that addresses every single thing said.
I want nothing more for you to have the same hope and joy that I have inside
of me. However, based on the number of responses I receive, I may be unable
to do so. I pray for your understanding and I hope to respond to everyone I
can. Incidentally, those that don't curse and swear at me will get my
respect and cause me to want to hurry and write back.
May God richly bless you.
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free
indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ
has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "navi-gater" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
29 Dec 2004 10:30:07 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com:
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for over
2 hours in San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in
video and audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating
too much on them. If you have follow-up questions, then either ask
them or consult the audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening
arguments, a cross-examination section, questions from the audience,
and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
I was prepared to listen until this part.
You see you originally said you would provide evidence of "God".
But then, you jumped straight in to trying to provide evidence for the
christian god.
Normally a person would ask for proof of existence of God, but in the
case of the christian god, not only is their no proof, but it is very
easy to dis-prove the existence of the god defined in the bible.
But please come back when you have some actual evidence of a God - after
you properly establish the existence of a God, we'll see how accurately
the bible describes it...
gater.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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29 Dec 2004 06:05:11 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me to
present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting this
message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for anyone else
who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr. Eddie
Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for over 2 hours
in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and audio
formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence that
I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the audio
debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
Snippage of remaining crap.
Forget it - You're full of it. liar.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
29 Dec 2004 01:51:15 PM |
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In article <33flvqF402atpU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me to
present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting this
message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for anyone else
who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr. Eddie
Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for over 2 hours
in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and audio
formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence that
I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the audio
debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
No, really! If they weren't true, they wouldn't be verifiable. :)
It's the *unverifiable* claims you need to check into...
- Felix
Snippage of remaining crap.
Forget it - You're full of it. liar.
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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30 Dec 2004 01:54:39 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for
over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and
audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the
audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org for The Skeptic's
Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained. It contains nearly 4,000 answers
to the tough questions about the Bible. It's a full and complete rebuttal
to the exhaustive, atheist resource called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible, by
Steve Wells.
After writing my book and finding all the answers, I conclude the Bible is
inerrant.
Regards,
Jason
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
30 Dec 2004 06:18:24 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9NOAd.36633$nP1.15058@twister.socal.rr.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for
over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and
audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the
audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did.
No, you just THINK you did. Mere assertions prove nothing.
See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org for The Skeptic's
Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained. It contains nearly 4,000
answers
to the tough questions about the Bible. It's a full and complete rebuttal
to the exhaustive, atheist resource called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible,
by
Steve Wells.
After writing my book and finding all the answers, I conclude the Bible is
inerrant.
Your opinion - Doesn't prove anything to anyone, but yourself.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
30 Dec 2004 03:38:22 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:18:24 +0000 (UTC), "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9NOAd.36633$nP1.15058@twister.socal.rr.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for
over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and
audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the
audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did.
No, you just THINK you did. Mere assertions prove nothing.
I'm sorry, but 'think' and Jason are total strangers.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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30 Dec 2004 07:26:55 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:54:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason
Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for
over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and
audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the
audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org
SAB is not the be-all/end-all, Jason.
You would do well to stop tilting at windmills, Don Quixote.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
01 Jan 2005 04:32:40 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:54:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason
Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for
over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and
audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the
audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org
SAB is not the be-all/end-all, Jason.
You would do well to stop tilting at windmills, Don Quixote.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
30 Dec 2004 08:55:08 AM |
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In article <9NOAd.36633$nP1.15058@twister.socal.rr.com>, usenetspam1
@yahoo.com says...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for
over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and
audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the
audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org for The Skeptic's
Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained. It contains nearly 4,000 answers
to the tough questions about the Bible. It's a full and complete rebuttal
to the exhaustive, atheist resource called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible, by
Steve Wells.
After writing my book and finding all the answers, I conclude the Bible is
inerrant.
Regards,
Jason
If you think the nonsense you wrote is proof, no wonder you swallow the
bible like you do. You seem to have zero common sense.
LOL, I guess you must be deluded, or you really are just lying. It's
amazing to me you aren't in a rubber room someplace. So I'm guessing
you're "Lyin for the Lord".
Tsk, tsk, Jason..that's a no no.
BDK
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| User: "Seppo Pietikainen" |
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30 Dec 2004 02:16:37 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for
over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and
audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the
audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org for The Skeptic's
Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained. It contains nearly 4,000 answers
to the tough questions about the Bible. It's a full and complete rebuttal
to the exhaustive, atheist resource called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible, by
Steve Wells.
After writing my book and finding all the answers, I conclude the Bible is
inerrant.
Regards,
Jason
"Rubber-Ducktor" Jason apparently expects us to pour him money for his claptrap.
Just have a gander at his "Examples"...
So, Robinikoff's "***** - prove it" still remains valid.
Seppo P.
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30 Dec 2004 11:17:20 AM |
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Jason, did you miss this post?
Found originally at:
http://tinyurl.com/45ngh
<old post>
An update.
I received this reply today:
<quote>
Dear Mr. Shaw:
James Madison was a member of the governor's council in
1778, not a delegate to the Virginia General Assembly.
You can verify this by reading sections of vol. 1 of the
Papers of James Madison. To my knowledge, the Journals of
the Virginia General Assembly do not contain the text of
speeches. There might be some preserved in newspapers of
the time, but the newspaper record is somewhat sporadic at
best for this period. You should request a more specific
citation than the one you were given in order to track
this down.
Best,
David Mattern
</quote>
Jason, a responsible person would at this point either do the research
to confirm this quote or stop using it. At the very least contact which
ever web site you say references the speech as 1778 to the VA GA and
find out the original source for this claim so you can present more than
an unsupported claim.
Ken
</old post>
You will be proving your integrity by addressing this issue won't you?
Ken
P.S. Once again to remind you I never let an issue drop until it is
settled.
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| User: "Bob" |
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30 Dec 2004 06:44:37 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:54:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
After writing my book and finding all the answers, I conclude the Bible is
inerrant.
which one? the catholic bible with the apocrypha? the one that does
not include the story of the woman at the well?
there is no single bible. thus the idea of literalism is nonsense.
---------------------------
to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com"
and enter 'wf3h' in the field
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| User: "Mark Isaak" |
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30 Dec 2004 12:25:19 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:54:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org for The Skeptic's
Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained. It contains nearly 4,000 answers
to the tough questions about the Bible. It's a full and complete rebuttal
to the exhaustive, atheist resource called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible, by
Steve Wells.
I looked there for the two Biblical errors I gave as examples
yesterday. One (Jesus's noisy/quiet death) you don't cover at all,
and of the other (Babylon predicted uninhabited forevermore), you say
essentially, "Yup, that's an error."
After writing my book and finding all the answers, I conclude the Bible is
inerrant.
You could not possibly have come to that conclusion by reading the
Bible. You must have *begun* with your conclusion and looked only for
the bits that support it, ignoring the many other bits that do not.
Please, Jason, read the Bible sometime, but to learn what it says, not
what you want it to say.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Dec 2004 03:38:52 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:54:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qItAd.36022$nP1.31119@twister.socal.rr.com...
Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
Over the past 24 hours, I had several people from alt.atheism ask me
to present an argument for God's existence. This is why I'm posting
this message. I'm happy to give a logical argument for them and for
anyone else who is interested.
The points I'm going to make will be taken from my debate with Dr.
Eddie Tabash. This debate took place on 9-11-2004. We debated for
over 2 hours in
San Diego, California. This debate is freely available in video and
audio formats at http://debates.jcsm.org .
There are five major points and several sub-points in the evidence
that I'll
be presenting. For brevity's sake, I won't be elaborating too much on
them.
If you have follow-up questions, then either ask them or consult the
audio debate. It was a lengthy debate with opening arguments, a
cross-examination
section, questions from the audience, and closing remarks.
1. The Inerrant Bible
Here's your first mistake.
Every verifiable claim in the Bible is true.
***** - prove it.
I already did. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org for The Skeptic's
Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained. It contains nearly 4,000 answers
to the tough questions about the Bible. It's a full and complete rebuttal
to the exhaustive, atheist resource called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible, by
Steve Wells.
After writing my book and finding all the answers, I conclude the Bible is
inerrant.
Congradulations on demonstrating your terminal lack of; education,
integrity, honesty, or scholarship. And people go to your 'diploma
mill' to waste their time and inject $$$$$$. Ah well, morons.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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29 Dec 2004 10:57:30 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Evidence of God's Existence
(snip)
| In my rebuttal, I found reasonable and logical explanations for every
| single, alleged error in the Bible.
(snip)
http://www.gastrich.org/
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "Sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Chez Watt: Evidence of God's Existence |
02 Jan 2005 09:27:38 PM |
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"shane" <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:dyHAd.14$R86.961@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Evidence of God's Existence
<snip>
1. The Inerrant Bible
<snip>
..... If a scripture written
before Christ tells us that something will happen much later and a
scripture
after Christ tells us that it did happen, then we have fantastic proof of
fulfilled prophecy, God's existence, and the Bible's authenticity.
<snip>
For 2000 years they've been saying Jesus is coming.
Guess what. Jesus is not coming back. I have proof.
These poor folks sincerely believed "Prepare to meet thy God" -- but God
never came.
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/nothing-happened01.jpg
This poor deluded lady believed "Jesus is coming soon", so earnestly, she
had it printed on her car door -- but Jesus didn't come, and that picture
was taken around 1940 or 1950. (Maybe some of you old folks on usenet would
recognize the model and year).
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/nothing-happened02.jpg
"Get Ready" the door boldly proclaims.
And "Christ is the Answer"
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/nothing-happened03.jpg
I guess after telling people for 2000 years "Jesus is coming" and he never
came, and people stopped believing -- the answer is get "bigger speakers"
then they'll listen.
Even I could write an inerrant book like that.
I know there will be resistance to seconding this and feeding Jasons
apparent love of attention, but there it is, a Chez Watt ia a Chez Watt
no matter who the author.
--
shane
The truth will set you free.
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: Chez Watt: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 02:08:00 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1104724053.f3b280965854a5e841c912488f3f55fe@teranews:
"shane" <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
This poor deluded lady believed "Jesus is coming soon", so earnestly,
she had it printed on her car door -- but Jesus didn't come, and that
picture was taken around 1940 or 1950. (Maybe some of you old folks on
usenet would recognize the model and year).
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/nothing-happened02.jpg
"Get Ready" the door boldly proclaims.
What is interesting is that the lady pictured is dressed in the same
manner that Katherine Kuhlman used to. You see KK was a quack faith
healer and if you dig around on the net you will find pictures of her.
She would wear long flowing garments that reminds one of angel wings when
worn. If you recall (or maybe you don't) at one service held by Ms.
Kuhlman a "woman with cancer of the spine discarded her brace and followed
Ms. Kuhlman's enthusiastic command to run across the stage. The following
day her backbone collapsed." She was just one of the many quack healers
healing "in the name of JESUS!!!!!" I just cannot imagine the unbearable
pain the woman endured the last few months of her life as every single
root nerve was impinged or damaged due to the collapse of her spine. That
makes any ritualistic torture ever performed seem tame.
I attended at least one of Ms. Kuhlman's healing sessions. While I was at
the event I spotted a commercial actress with her 'husband' in tow. She
limped as though she had one leg shorter than the other. Sure enough, she
was 'healed in the name of JEEEZUZ'. Conclusion? It's all BS. God,
bible, and miracles are all *****.
The items in double quotes are from
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/faith.html.
Dr. Barrett's site is quite good and he recommends the book "Healing: A
Doctor in Search of a Miracle".
rj
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: Chez Watt: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 02:08:29 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1104724053.f3b280965854a5e841c912488f3f55fe@teranews:
"shane" <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
This poor deluded lady believed "Jesus is coming soon", so earnestly,
she had it printed on her car door -- but Jesus didn't come, and that
picture was taken around 1940 or 1950. (Maybe some of you old folks on
usenet would recognize the model and year).
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/nothing-happened02.jpg
"Get Ready" the door boldly proclaims.
What is interesting is that the lady pictured is dressed in the same
manner that Katherine Kuhlman used to. You see KK was a quack faith
healer and if you dig around on the net you will find pictures of her.
She would wear long flowing garments that reminds one of angel wings when
worn. If you recall (or maybe you don't) at one service held by Ms.
Kuhlman a "woman with cancer of the spine discarded her brace and followed
Ms. Kuhlman's enthusiastic command to run across the stage. The following
day her backbone collapsed." She was just one of the many quack healers
healing "in the name of JESUS!!!!!" I just cannot imagine the unbearable
pain the woman endured the last few months of her life as every single
root nerve was impinged or damaged due to the collapse of her spine. That
makes any ritualistic torture ever performed seem tame.
I attended at least one of Ms. Kuhlman's healing sessions. While I was at
the event I spotted a commercial actress with her 'husband' in tow. She
limped as though she had one leg shorter than the other. Sure enough, she
was 'healed in the name of JEEEZUZ'. Conclusion? It's all BS. God,
bible, and miracles are all *****.
The items in double quotes are from
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/faith.html.
Dr. Barrett's site is quite good and he recommends the book "Healing: A
Doctor in Search of a Miracle".
rj
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: Chez Watt: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 05:45:14 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in
news:1104724053.f3b280965854a5e841c912488f3f55fe@teranews:
"shane" <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
This poor deluded lady believed "Jesus is coming soon", so earnestly,
she had it printed on her car door -- but Jesus didn't come, and that
picture was taken around 1940 or 1950. (Maybe some of you old folks on
usenet would recognize the model and year).
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/nothing-happened02.jpg
"Get Ready" the door boldly proclaims.
What is interesting is that the lady pictured is dressed in the same
manner that Katherine Kuhlman used to. You see KK was a quack faith
healer and if you dig around on the net you will find pictures of her.
She would wear long flowing garments that reminds one of angel wings when
worn. If you recall (or maybe you don't) at one service held by Ms.
Kuhlman a "woman with cancer of the spine discarded her brace and followed
Ms. Kuhlman's enthusiastic command to run across the stage. The following
day her backbone collapsed." She was just one of the many quack healers
healing "in the name of JESUS!!!!!" I just cannot imagine the unbearable
pain the woman endured the last few months of her life as every single
root nerve was impinged or damaged due to the collapse of her spine. That
makes any ritualistic torture ever performed seem tame.
I attended at least one of Ms. Kuhlman's healing sessions. While I was at
the event I spotted a commercial actress with her 'husband' in tow. She
limped as though she had one leg shorter than the other. Sure enough, she
was 'healed in the name of JEEEZUZ'. Conclusion? It's all BS. God,
bible, and miracles are all *****.
The items in double quotes are from
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/faith.html.
Dr. Barrett's site is quite good and he recommends the book "Healing: A
Doctor in Search of a Miracle".
rj
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: Chez Watt: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 07:52:37 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message news:1104724053.f3b280965854a5e841c912488f3f55fe@teranews...
"shane" <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:dyHAd.14$R86.961@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Evidence of God's Existence
<snip>
1. The Inerrant Bible
<snip>
..... If a scripture written
before Christ tells us that something will happen much later and a
scripture
after Christ tells us that it did happen, then we have fantastic proof of
fulfilled prophecy, God's existence, and the Bible's authenticity.
<snip>
Jesus Christ is Coming Back Again
ftp://\in:out@65.127.169.45/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/=CD-R=jesus-christ-is-coming-back-again/index.html
What's Happening in the Church?
ftp://\in:out6@5.127.169.45/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/=CD-R=whats-happening-in-the-church/whats-happening-in-the-church.html
Heaven and Hell: What Happens When You Die?
ftp://\in:out@65.127.169.45/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/=CD-R=heaven-and-hell-missler/index-web.html
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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| Title: Re: Chez Watt: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 12:10:44 PM |
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In article <NlcCd.3475$XZ.1579@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message news:1104724053.f3b280965854a5e841c912488f3f55fe@teranews...
"shane" <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:dyHAd.14$R86.961@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Evidence of God's Existence
<snip>
1. The Inerrant Bible
<snip>
..... If a scripture written
before Christ tells us that something will happen much later and a
scripture
after Christ tells us that it did happen, then we have fantastic proof of
fulfilled prophecy, God's existence, and the Bible's authenticity.
<snip>
Jesus Christ is Coming Back Again
ftp://\in:out@65.127.169.45/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/=CD-R=jesus-christ-is-coming-back-again/index.html
Real Soon Now(TM)
What's Happening in the Church?
ftp://\in:out6@5.127.169.45/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/=CD-R=whats-happening-in-the-church/whats-happening-in-the-church.html
Conspiracies to rob non-Christians of their freedom.
Heaven and Hell: What Happens When You Die?
ftp://\in:out@65.127.169.45/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/=CD-R=heaven-and-hell-missler/index-web.html
You decay.
- Felix
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Chez Watt: Evidence of God's Existence |
03 Jan 2005 08:03:25 AM |
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:52:37 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, "Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com>
pontificated:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message news:1104724053.f3b280965854a5e841c912488f3f55fe@teranews...
"shane" <remarcsdNOSPAM@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:dyHAd.14$R86.961@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Evidence of God's Existence
<snip>
1. The Inerrant Bible
<snip>
..... If a scripture written
before Christ tells us that something will happen much later and a
scripture
after Christ tells us that it did happen, then we have fantastic proof of
fulfilled prophecy, God's existence, and the Bible's authenticity.
<snip>
Jesus Christ is Coming Back Again
ftp://\in:out@65.127.169.45/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/=CD-R=jesus-christ-is-coming-back-again/index.html
He already did.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
/
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "nJb" |
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02 Jan 2005 11:00:42 PM |
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Sharon wrote:
And "Christ is the Answer"
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/nothing-happened03.jpg
I guess after telling people for 2000 years "Jesus is coming" and he never
came, and people stopped believing -- the answer is get "bigger speakers"
then they'll listen.
2+2= christ
2+3= christ
Therefore...
2=3
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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29 Dec 2004 10:37:26 AM |
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Evidence of God's Existence
Dear Readers,
I hope you're well, today.
??? And I hope you're well, getting that sex change you've been meaning to
have.
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| User: "Ken Shaw" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
29 Dec 2004 09:18:49 AM |
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Come on, that's the best you have?
No wonder you came here bearing false witness against the Founding
Fathers rather than trying to convince anyone of the correctness of your
theology.
I've done my level best to be polite but this was simply awful.
Ken
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
29 Dec 2004 07:32:07 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "Jason
Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Evidence of God's Existence
[
]
Yep. That's about it: a whole lotta nothing.
There is no evidence of "gawd", Jason. You can't even coherently
define "gawd" for us, so how do you expect us to believe something
exists that makes no sense! A being that exists apart from the
universe? Ludicrous! That same being created the universe? Impossible!
Here's your job, Jason: show that something can exist apart from
the universe and that causality means something apart from the
universe. You cannot say "Well, humans were created, therefore the
universe was." That's the fallacy of composition. You cannot appeal to
anything in the universe. You need an entirely new ontology.
And you don't have one.
Sucks to be you, Jason.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
30 Dec 2004 02:24:45 AM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism on Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "Jason
Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Evidence of God's Existence
[
]
Yep. That's about it: a whole lotta nothing.
There is no evidence of "gawd", Jason. You can't even coherently
define "gawd" for us, so how do you expect us to believe something
exists that makes no sense! A being that exists apart from the
universe? Ludicrous! That same being created the universe? Impossible!
Who said I can't define God? Who asked for a definition of God?
God is the unseen Creator who lives in Heaven. He speaks to His people and
sustains all things. He has no body. He exists in three persons: God the
Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Here's your job, Jason: show that something can exist apart from
the universe and that causality means something apart from the
universe. You cannot say "Well, humans were created, therefore the
universe was." That's the fallacy of composition. You cannot appeal to
anything in the universe. You need an entirely new ontology.
And you don't have one.
Sucks to be you, Jason.
I do not try to scientifically prove God. However, I do prove God's
existence through other means.
Regards,
Jason
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
30 Dec 2004 06:39:50 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism on Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "Jason
Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Evidence of God's Existence
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Yep. That's about it: a whole lotta nothing.
There is no evidence of "gawd", Jason. You can't even coherently
define "gawd" for us, so how do you expect us to believe something
exists that makes no sense! A being that exists apart from the
universe? Ludicrous! That same being created the universe? Impossible!
Who said I can't define God? Who asked for a definition of God?
God is the unseen Creator who lives in Heaven.
Prove it.
He speaks to His people and
sustains all things. He has no body. He exists in three persons: God the
Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Prove it.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
30 Dec 2004 07:30:56 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:24:45 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism on Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "Jason
Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Evidence of God's Existence
[
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Yep. That's about it: a whole lotta nothing.
There is no evidence of "gawd", Jason. You can't even coherently
define "gawd" for us, so how do you expect us to believe something
exists that makes no sense! A being that exists apart from the
universe? Ludicrous! That same being created the universe? Impossible!
Who said I can't define God?
I said you can't define it coherently.
Who asked for a definition of God?
I did.
God is the unseen Creator
Begged question. You have not shown that god exists for which to
create anything.
who lives in Heaven.
Begged question. You have not established that heaven exists.
He speaks to His people and
sustains all things.
Begged question: you have not established that god exists in
order to speak to people and you have not shown that god is required
to sustain things.
He has no body.
A being with no body? Impossible.
He exists in three persons: God the
Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
One being as 3 persons? Not unless god is schizo.
So, your definition is, as I said, incoherent.
Here's your job, Jason: show that something can exist apart from
the universe and that causality means something apart from the
universe. You cannot say "Well, humans were created, therefore the
universe was." That's the fallacy of composition. You cannot appeal to
anything in the universe. You need an entirely new ontology.
And you don't have one.
Sucks to be you, Jason.
I do not try to scientifically prove God.
Then you have no case.
However, I do prove God's
existence through other means.
No, you don't.
Now show what I asked for, Jason. Give me the ontology of
existence apart from the universe. Show me that causality applies to
the universe itself.
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of God's Existence |
01 Jan 2005 04:32:22 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:24:45 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism on Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:56:12 +0000 (UTC), "Jason
Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Evidence of God's Existence
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]
Yep. That's about it: a whole lotta nothing.
There is no evidence of "gawd", Jason. You can't even coherently
define "gawd" for us, so how do you expect us to believe something
exists that makes no sense! A being that exists apart from the
universe? Ludicrous! That same being created the universe? Impossible!
Who said I can't define God?
I said you can't define it coherently.
Who asked for a definition of God?
I did.
God is the unseen Creator
Begged question. You have not shown that god exists for which to
create anything.
who lives in Heaven.
Begged question. You have not established that heaven exists.
He speaks to His people and
sustains all things.
Begged question: you have not established that god exists in
order to speak to people and you have not shown that god is required
to sustain things.
He has no body.
A being with no body? Impossible.
He exists in three persons: God the
Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
One being as 3 persons? Not unless god is schizo.
So, your definition is, as I said, incoherent.
Here's your job, Jason: show that something can exist apart from
the universe and that causality means something apart from the
universe. You cannot say "Well, humans were created, therefore the
universe was." That's the fallacy of composition. You cannot appeal to
anything in the universe. You need an entirely new ontology.
And you don't have one.
Sucks to be you, Jason.
I do not try to scientifically prove God.
Then you have no case.
However, I do prove God's
existence through other means.
No, you don't.
Now show what I asked for, Jason. Give me the ontology of
existence apart from the universe. Show me that causality applies to
the universe itself.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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