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"Budikka666" |
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16 Oct 2005 03:38:15 AM |
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Evidence of Macroevolution - Example 579 |
Carl Zimmer's article at:
http://tinyurl.com/df98h
In part, is states:
"Claes Wahlestedt, one of the scientists who will be setting up shop on
Scripp's Florida campus, searches for new drugs by understanding how
the human genome evolved. Genes only become active in our cells when
certain proteins lock onto small stretches of DNA near them called
enhancers. The enhancer bends until it meets up with another piece of
DNA called a promoter. That bending acts like a switch, turning on the
gene, allowing it to produce a protein. The elements of these switches
are very hard to pinpoint in the human genome. That's because they are
very short and are located hundreds or thousands of positions away from
the gene they control."
So much for intelligent design! The article continues:
"Making matters worse, they are usually nestled within long stretches
of DNA that don't appear to serve any function. Finding these switch
elements could prove very important to medicine. A mutation to a switch
may make people prone to certain diseases or respond poorly to certain
medicines.
"Wahlestedt is finding these promoters, and it's evolution he's
using as his guide. He and his colleagues described their approach in
an open-access paper published earlier this year in the journal BMC
Genomics. They lined up the sequences of human genes with their
corresponding genes in mice. They then looked near the genes, in the
long sequence of non-coding DNA, searching for short stretches of DNA
that were similar in both species. Their reasoning was this: if a piece
of non-coding DNA in the common ancestor of humans and mice didn't
serve an important function, it might pick up mutations over time
without causing any harm. As a result, most non-coding sequences should
be noticeably different in humans and mice, because we share an
ancestor that lived some 100 million years ago. But switches probably
played a vital role in that common ancestor, and most mutations that
struck them would have had a devastating effect. Natural selection
should have prevented most of these mutations from becoming fixed in
both humans and mice. As a result, parts of DNA involved in switching
genes on and off should look very similar in humans and mice, unlike
the other non-coding DNA.
"Wahlestedt and his colleagues used this method to identify a
number of candidate switches. Further tests confirmed that most of them
actually did affect the way genes work. And still more tests showed
that humans carry different versions of these switches, and that these
differences affect the way that these genes make proteins. If
Wahlestedt had used creationism as his guide, he'd still be floundering
in an ocean of DNA."
I'm still waiting on even one scientific discussion of the evidence
I've presented or referenced in **OVER FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY
EXAMPLES**.
If you don't come through with your promise of a discussion instead of
running away every time, people are going to start believing your
macroevolution challenge was nothing but a fraud, Pastor Dave.
We can discuss this one or any one of the other specific examples I
gave, or you can keep running from them and be labeled a coward, a
liar, and a hypocrite. It's your choice how you will be remembered,
after all
Budikka
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of Macroevolution - Example 579 |
16 Oct 2005 06:51:19 AM |
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Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in alt.atheism
If you don't come through with your promise of a discussion instead of
running away every time, people are going to start believing your
macroevolution challenge was nothing but a fraud, Pastor Dave.
We can discuss this one or any one of the other specific examples I
gave, or you can keep running from them and be labeled a coward, a
liar, and a hypocrite. It's your choice how you will be remembered,
after all
When's the last time Pastor Dave actually responded to you? What was
the date?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Rick Heeke" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence of Macroevolution - Example 579 |
16 Oct 2005 09:14:14 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in alt.atheism
If you don't come through with your promise of a discussion instead of
running away every time, people are going to start believing your
macroevolution challenge was nothing but a fraud, Pastor Dave.
We can discuss this one or any one of the other specific examples I
gave, or you can keep running from them and be labeled a coward, a
liar, and a hypocrite. It's your choice how you will be remembered,
after all
When's the last time Pastor Dave actually responded to you? What was
the date?
Why don't you check Google?
--
Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset.
to email me, concatenate the following:
nom de plume of Jay, Madison, Hamilton-The Federalist
(new, in Latin) at (this planet) dot net
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 03:48:18 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
Carl Zimmer's article at:
http://tinyurl.com/df98h
In part, is states:
"Claes Wahlestedt, one of the scientists who will be setting up shop on
Scripp's Florida campus, searches for new drugs by understanding how
the human genome evolved. Genes only become active in our cells when
certain proteins lock onto small stretches of DNA near them called
enhancers. The enhancer bends until it meets up with another piece of
DNA called a promoter. That bending acts like a switch, turning on the
gene, allowing it to produce a protein. The elements of these switches
are very hard to pinpoint in the human genome. That's because they are
very short and are located hundreds or thousands of positions away from
the gene they control."
So much for intelligent design!
Nope, that takes a lot of intelligence to set up.
You're really scraping there Buddika.
God simply made, whatever he wanted to make, when ever he
wanted to make the stuff.
That's all there is to it.
Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 10:38:22 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:437EF340.413C@For-God.net...
Budikka666 wrote:
Carl Zimmer's article at:
http://tinyurl.com/df98h
In part, is states:
"Claes Wahlestedt, one of the scientists who will be setting up shop on
Scripp's Florida campus, searches for new drugs by understanding how
the human genome evolved. Genes only become active in our cells when
certain proteins lock onto small stretches of DNA near them called
enhancers. The enhancer bends until it meets up with another piece of
DNA called a promoter. That bending acts like a switch, turning on the
gene, allowing it to produce a protein. The elements of these switches
are very hard to pinpoint in the human genome. That's because they are
very short and are located hundreds or thousands of positions away from
the gene they control."
So much for intelligent design!
Nope, that takes a lot of intelligence to set up.
You're really scraping there Buddika.
God simply made, whatever he wanted to make, when ever he
wanted to make the stuff.
That's all there is to it.
I'm sorry that you are simple. The world is not...as science has and
continues to reveal.
So, who exactly told you these things about what God said? You reference
the Bible...it was written by men. Why do you trust them?
JR
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| User: "Bear" |
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19 Nov 2005 03:53:47 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" wrote
: Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
That doesn't mean that "God" did anything either.
: God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Wrong on both counts.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Evolutionists claim the creatures, are their own creators... and God said they'd be saying it, and God said they're wrong, absolutely wrong. Re: Notice how theists want superstitions to be their creators? |
19 Nov 2005 05:24:57 AM |
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Bear wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" wrote
: Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
That doesn't mean that "God" did anything either.
God said what he did, and what God said, matches what
his creation shows.
: God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Wrong on both counts.
You wish.
As for Buddika's claim that creatures are creating themselves,
God already discussed that:
Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into
an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds,
and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped
and served the creature more than the Creator, who is
blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
for even their women did change the natural use into
that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of
the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;
men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving
in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to
do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy,
murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural
affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit
such things are worthy of death, not only do the same,
but have pleasure in them that do them.
God said what would happen.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Bear" |
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19 Nov 2005 05:30:59 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: >
: > "John P. Boatwright" wrote
: > : Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
: >
: > That doesn't mean that "God" did anything either.
:
: God said what he did, and what God said, matches what
: his creation shows.
Do you have objective, verifiable evidence of anything that was *actually*
spoken by any god?
: > : God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
: >
: > Wrong on both counts.
:
: You wish.
No, I go by the available objective, verifiable evidence.
: As for Buddika's claim that creatures are creating themselves,
: God already discussed that:
I don't care anything about the argument between creationists and
evolutionists.
: God said what would happen.
Do you have objective, verifiable evidence of anything that was *actually*
spoken by any god?
: God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Do you have objective, verifiable evidence to support these assertions?
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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19 Nov 2005 06:10:38 AM |
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Bear wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: >
: > "John P. Boatwright" wrote
: > : Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
: >
: > That doesn't mean that "God" did anything either.
:
: God said what he did, and what God said, matches what
: his creation shows.
Do you have objective, verifiable evidence of anything that was *actually*
spoken by any god?
Absolutely.
Genesis 1 matches the timing, terms and phrases for
what's needed to form a solar system... which is what
Genesis 1 is describing.
Ezekiel 1 matches what's seen present day, verse after
verse after verse.
God talked about the earth's formation, in Job 38,
God told them they were wrong and God said these things
about earth's formation:
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* THE FORMATION OF THE EARTH
* THICK DARKNESS
* THE CLOUD
* SWADDLING BAND
* BARS AND DOORS
* AS A WOMB
* WATERS GUSHING OUT
* STOPPING AT HIS DECREED PLACE...
Do you see it?
Those were ALL said in successive verses, in Job, and
they're the same thing science says:
* Formation of the earth... what we're talking about.
* Thick darkness... the dust around a planet forming star, they have
to use an IR telescope to see through it in deep space photos.
* The cloud... that's the DUST CLOUD with the thick darkness.
* Swaddling band... the birthing band, when the earth was being
formed, the DUST RING... they've seen it around planet forming stars.
* Bars and doors... bands and openings... the dust disk, the bands and
openings in the dust disk...
* As a womb... edge on... that's what it looks like... God knew it.
* Waters gushing out... absolutely!
* Stopping at his decreed place... they sure do!
God knew, and told them, thousands of years ago, what science
even today, is still struggling to comprehend.
: > : God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
: >
: > Wrong on both counts.
:
: You wish.
No, I go by the available objective, verifiable evidence.
So go look the stuff up.
While you're at it, look up FUSORS, then see the
incredible ion accelerations in solar flares, and
then see Chandra, and how NEW stars burn VERY hot,
VERY bright, VERY intense solar flares... and ask
yourself...
* what happens when those heavier than iron elements
form?
* isn't the formation of heavier than iron elements,
an energy storage and COOLING process?
* as the elements are rotating at the star, and forming
heavier than iron elements... don't they fall below
the surface and build up in a RING within the star?
Then see the dust rings formed around planet forming
stars... etc...
What God said matches fine... you just have to know
what he said, and what's going out there... to notice
that he was right all along in what he said about what
he made.
: As for Buddika's claim that creatures are creating themselves,
: God already discussed that:
I don't care anything about the argument between creationists and
evolutionists.
I do.
Evolutionists, are wrong.
God made what he said he made, evolution did nothing.
: God said what would happen.
Do you have objective, verifiable evidence of anything that was *actually*
spoken by any god?
Ya.
: God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Do you have objective, verifiable evidence to support these assertions?
Yes.
I have what God said and can verify what he said.
So can you...
But realize, you can doubt ANYTHING, anything at all,
right up to the point where you doubt your own existance,
and that, you can't deny... all else.... you can doubt
away. So no matter what I point out... your doubt can
wipe it all out, your doubt can make you feel safe in
rejecting it all. Your doubt can give you what you want,
a lie, rather than the truth... which is what you wanted,
you'll set it up, to get whatever you wanted in the first
place, regardless of it being right or not... if that's
what you want.
I want the truth... you'll get whatever you wanted.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Bear" |
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19 Nov 2005 06:34:52 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: >
: > "John P. Boatwright" wrote
: > : Bear wrote:
: > : >
: > : > "John P. Boatwright" wrote
: > : > : Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
: > : >
: > : > That doesn't mean that "God" did anything either.
: > :
: > : God said what he did, and what God said, matches what
: > : his creation shows.
: >
: > Do you have objective, verifiable evidence of anything that was
*actually*
: > spoken by any god?
:
: Absolutely.
:
: Genesis 1 matches the timing, terms and phrases for
: what's needed to form a solar system... which is what
: Genesis 1 is describing.
:
: Ezekiel 1 matches what's seen present day, verse after
: verse after verse.
:
: God talked about the earth's formation, in Job 38,
: God told them they were wrong and God said these things
: about earth's formation:
Where is your objective, verifiable evidence that it was your "God" that
talked about the earth's formation, in Job 38?
: -------------------------------------------------------
:
: * THE FORMATION OF THE EARTH
: * THICK DARKNESS
: * THE CLOUD
: * SWADDLING BAND
: * BARS AND DOORS
: * AS A WOMB
: * WATERS GUSHING OUT
: * STOPPING AT HIS DECREED PLACE...
:
: Do you see it?
No. You forgot Job 9:6 Do you have pictures of the pillars that hold up the
earth?
: Those were ALL said in successive verses, in Job, and
: they're the same thing science says:
:
: * Formation of the earth... what we're talking about.
: * Thick darkness... the dust around a planet forming star, they have
: to use an IR telescope to see through it in deep space photos.
: * The cloud... that's the DUST CLOUD with the thick darkness.
: * Swaddling band... the birthing band, when the earth was being
: formed, the DUST RING... they've seen it around planet forming stars.
: * Bars and doors... bands and openings... the dust disk, the bands and
: openings in the dust disk...
: * As a womb... edge on... that's what it looks like... God knew it.
: * Waters gushing out... absolutely!
: * Stopping at his decreed place... they sure do!
:
: God knew, and told them, thousands of years ago, what science
: even today, is still struggling to comprehend.
Anybody can observe what is.
: > : > : God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
: > : >
: > : > Wrong on both counts.
: > :
: > : You wish.
: >
: > No, I go by the available objective, verifiable evidence.
:
: So go look the stuff up.
:
: While you're at it, look up FUSORS, then see the
: incredible ion accelerations in solar flares, and
: then see Chandra, and how NEW stars burn VERY hot,
: VERY bright, VERY intense solar flares... and ask
: yourself...
:
: * what happens when those heavier than iron elements
: form?
:
: * isn't the formation of heavier than iron elements,
: an energy storage and COOLING process?
:
: * as the elements are rotating at the star, and forming
: heavier than iron elements... don't they fall below
: the surface and build up in a RING within the star?
:
: Then see the dust rings formed around planet forming
: stars... etc...
:
: What God said matches fine... you just have to know
: what he said, and what's going out there... to notice
: that he was right all along in what he said about what
: he made.
Your jumping all over the place does not explain anything. I have looked it
up, several times in fact, and all I see is humans giving a very general,
therefore not verifiable and usually contradicting science, story of how
they think their created creator may have created things.
: > : As for Buddika's claim that creatures are creating themselves,
: > : God already discussed that:
: >
: > I don't care anything about the argument between creationists and
: > evolutionists.
:
: I do.
Good for you.
: Evolutionists, are wrong.
There is no way that makes your argument right!
: God made what he said he made, evolution did nothing.
I don't get into that dichotomy. In the first place, you would have to
describe all the attributes of this "God" you are talking about. You would
have to to provide objective, verifiable evidence concerning where your
"God" came from. ETC.
: > : God said what would happen.
: >
: > Do you have objective, verifiable evidence of anything that was
*actually*
: > spoken by any god?
:
: Ya.
Bring it!
: > : God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
: >
: > Do you have objective, verifiable evidence to support these assertions?
:
: Yes.
:
: I have what God said and can verify what he said.
No you have said what other people have said that your "God" was supposed to
have said.
: So can you...
:
: But realize, you can doubt ANYTHING, anything at all,
: right up to the point where you doubt your own existance,
: and that, you can't deny... all else.... you can doubt
: away. So no matter what I point out... your doubt can
: wipe it all out, your doubt can make you feel safe in
: rejecting it all. Your doubt can give you what you want,
: a lie, rather than the truth... which is what you wanted,
: you'll set it up, to get whatever you wanted in the first
: place, regardless of it being right or not... if that's
: what you want.
:
: I want the truth... you'll get whatever you wanted.
I want more than hearsay from ancient uneducated supertitious myth writers.
Do you have any way to verify that what they said is true?
: God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
You haven't provided objective, verifiable proof of that. You have merely
provided hearsay from ancient uneducated superstitious myth writers.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionists claim the creatures, are their own creators... and Godsaid they'd be saying it, and God said they're wrong, absolutely wrong. |
19 Nov 2005 10:38:04 AM |
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Bear wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: >
: > "John P. Boatwright" wrote
: > : Bear wrote:
: > : >
: > : > "John P. Boatwright" wrote
: > : > : Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
: > : >
: > : > That doesn't mean that "God" did anything either.
: > :
: > : God said what he did, and what God said, matches what
: > : his creation shows.
: >
: > Do you have objective, verifiable evidence of anything that was
*actually*
: > spoken by any god?
:
: Absolutely.
:
: Genesis 1 matches the timing, terms and phrases for
: what's needed to form a solar system... which is what
: Genesis 1 is describing.
:
: Ezekiel 1 matches what's seen present day, verse after
: verse after verse.
:
: God talked about the earth's formation, in Job 38,
: God told them they were wrong and God said these things
: about earth's formation:
Where is your objective, verifiable evidence that it was your "God" that
talked about the earth's formation, in Job 38?
===>Actuallu, it says that the Earth is built on a foundation with a
corner stone.
So, it it was a "god", that "god" didn't know what he/she was talking about. --
L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionists claim the creatures, are their own creators... and Godsaid they'd be saying it, and God said they're wrong, absolutely wrong. |
19 Nov 2005 10:36:08 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" wrote:
Bear wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: >
: > "John P. Boatwright" wrote
: > : Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
: >
: > That doesn't mean that "God" did anything either.
:
: God said what he did, and what God said, matches what
: his creation shows.
Do you have objective, verifiable evidence of anything that was *actually*
spoken by any god?
Absolutely.
Genesis 1 matches the timing, terms and phrases for
what's needed to form a solar system...
===>That is false, and even if it were true, it would have
been just a lucky guess by a human author. -- L.
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19 Nov 2005 07:50:14 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "John P. Boatwright"
<name@For-God.net> posting the following on Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:10:38
GMT iin alt.atheism?
Genesis 1 matches the timing, terms and phrases for
what's needed to form a solar system... which is what
Genesis 1 is describing.
Oh, really? Genesis 1 has the Earth forming before the sun, and long
before the other stars in the sky.
Hell, Genesis 1 has *plants* appearing on earth before the sun was
created!
Nowhere does Genesis 1 mention interstellar clouds of hydrogen,
accretion disks, fusion, angualr momentum, or anythig used in real
astronomy.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionists claim the creatures, are their own creators... and Godsaid they'd be saying it, and God said they're wrong, absolutely wrong. |
19 Nov 2005 10:39:11 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "John P. Boatwright"
<name@For-God.net> posting the following on Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:10:38
GMT iin alt.atheism?
Genesis 1 matches the timing, terms and phrases for
what's needed to form a solar system... which is what
Genesis 1 is describing.
Oh, really? Genesis 1 has the Earth forming before the sun, and long
before the other stars in the sky.
Hell, Genesis 1 has *plants* appearing on earth before the sun was
created!
Nowhere does Genesis 1 mention interstellar clouds of hydrogen,
accretion disks, fusion, angualr momentum, or anythig used in real
astronomy.
===>Boatwrong knows nothing about astronomy.
He thinks Genesis 1 is the way it happened. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionists claim the creatures, are their own creators... and Godsaid they'd be saying it, and God said they're wrong, absolutely wrong. |
19 Nov 2005 10:34:45 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" wrote:
Bear wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" wrote
: Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
That doesn't mean that "God" did anything either.
God said what he did, and what God said, matches what
his creation shows.
===>No "God" said anything.
You are lying, when you claim
pieces of writing by MEN are statements by "God""! -- L.
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| User: "Øien" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionists claim the creatures, are their own creators... and God said they'd be saying it, and God said they're wrong, absolutely wrong. Re: Notice how theists want superstitions to be their creators? |
19 Nov 2005 09:54:18 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:24:57 GMT, "John P.
Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote:
<> Bear wrote:
<> >
<> > "John P. Boatwright" wrote
<> > : Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
<> >
<> > That doesn't mean that "God" did anything
either.
<>
<> God said what he did, and what God said,
matches what
<> his creation shows.
<>
<> > : God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
<> >
<> > Wrong on both counts.
<>
<> You wish.
<>
<> As for Buddika's claim that creatures are
creating themselves,
<> God already discussed that:
<>
<> Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they
became fools,
<> 23 And changed the glory of the
uncorruptible God into
<> an image made like to corruptible man,
and to birds,
<> and fourfooted beasts, and creeping
things.
<> 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to
uncleanness through
<> the lusts of their own hearts, to
dishonour their own
<> bodies between themselves:
<> 25 Who changed the truth of God into a
lie, and worshipped
<> and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is
<> blessed for ever. Amen.
<> 26 For this cause God gave them up unto
vile affections:
<> for even their women did change the
natural use into
<> that which is against nature:
<> 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the
natural use of
<> the woman, burned in their lust one
toward another;
<> men with men working that which is
unseemly, and receiving
<> in themselves that recompence of their
error which was meet.
<> 28 And even as they did not like to
retain God in their
<> knowledge, God gave them over to a
reprobate mind, to
<> do those things which are not
convenient;
<> 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication,
<> wickedness, covetousness,
maliciousness; full of envy,
<> murder, debate, deceit, malignity;
whisperers,
<> 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful,
proud, boasters,
<> inventors of evil things, disobedient
to parents,
<> 31 Without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural
<> affection, implacable, unmerciful:
<> 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that
they which commit
<> such things are worthy of death, not
only do the same,
<> but have pleasure in them that do
them.
<>
<> God said what would happen.
<>
<> God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
<>
<> Proof God described the planet density profile
<> BEFORE science did:
<>
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
<> (see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in
Genesis)
<>
<> Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Clearly you worship no god -- rather a book!
Nothing more.
And other religions have books that are so much
more interesting. Ever read one? Nah, I thought
not!
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 08:09:17 AM |
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God simply made, whatever he wanted to make, when ever he
wanted to make the stuff.
That's all there is to it.
Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
What a simple idea! Evidently no intelligence
was needed in the design of your opinion.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 03:17:08 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:09:17 -0500, "Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote:
God simply made, whatever he wanted to make, when ever he
wanted to make the stuff.
That's all there is to it.
Evolution did NOTHING, nothing at all.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
What a simple idea! Evidently no intelligence
was needed in the design of your opinion.
God was a very stupid designer.
Barry
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 05:20:41 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:17:08 +1100, Barry OGrady
<atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote:
God was a very stupid designer.
You mean He made you stupid?
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
21 Nov 2005 10:31:34 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:20:41 GMT, Saint Zombie <no.email@truth.org>
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:17:08 +1100, Barry OGrady
<atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote:
God was a very stupid designer.
You mean He made you stupid?
More like there are stupid people like you who fall for that religious
nonsense.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 06:30:48 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:20:41 GMT, Saint Zombie <no.email@truth.org> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:17:08 +1100, Barry OGrady
<atheist.xxx@gmail.com> wrote:
God was a very stupid designer.
You mean He made you stupid?
If he did what would that make him?
Barry
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 05:49:42 PM |
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VATICAN CITY -- The Vatican's chief astronomer said that "intelligent
design" was not science and did not belong in science classrooms, the
latest high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution
debate in the United States. The Rev. George W. Coyne, the Jesuit
director of the Vatican Observatory, said placing intelligent design
theory alongside that of evolution in school programs was akin to
mixing apples with oranges.
- The Washington Post, WORLD IN BRIEF, Nov. 19, 2005, Page A20.
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And while we're on the subject, with absolutely no fear of being
refuted or shouted down, following for
everyone's enlightenment is a scientifically sound, logically vetted
listing of the primary personal traits possessed by each adherent to
"intelligent" behi- design misconceptions [THIS MIGHT MEAN YOU]:
1) Fundamentalist, bible-thumping, hypocritical religionist.
2) Narrow-minded, book-burning, semitic-, black-, oriental-,
homosexual-, science-, labor-movement-, and free-thought-hating bigot.
3) Believer in creationism, jesus, god and other ASSorted *****
concepts.
4) Admirer of the sordid bush clan, Jerry Falwell - and/or the pope
and his 2000-year-old criminal cult of repression and fear
5) Heavy alcohol imbiber.
6) Small-dicked tea-totaler.
7) Cold-pussied tea-totaler.
8) Eschewer of oral sex.
9) Displayer of the confederate battle flag.
10) Maliciously anti-abortionist who's willing to kill pro-choicers.
That's it. If you find your lifestyle and thought processes here,
yeah, you're "one of em" - sorry!
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 05:53:55 PM |
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On 19 Nov 2005 15:49:42 -0800, wrote:
VATICAN CITY -- The Vatican's chief astronomer said that "intelligent
design" was not science and did not belong in science classrooms, the
latest high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution
debate in the United States. The Rev. George W. Coyne, the Jesuit
director of the Vatican Observatory, said placing intelligent design
theory alongside that of evolution in school programs was akin to
mixing apples with oranges.
- The Washington Post, WORLD IN BRIEF, Nov. 19, 2005, Page A20.
===============
And while we're on the subject, with absolutely no fear of being
refuted or shouted down, following for
everyone's enlightenment is a scientifically sound, logically vetted
listing of the primary personal traits possessed by each adherent to
"intelligent" behi- design misconceptions [THIS MIGHT MEAN YOU]:
1) Fundamentalist, bible-thumping, hypocritical religionist.
2) Narrow-minded, book-burning, semitic-, black-, oriental-,
homosexual-, science-, labor-movement-, and free-thought-hating bigot.
3) Believer in creationism, jesus, god and other ASSorted *****
concepts.
4) Admirer of the sordid bush clan, Jerry Falwell - and/or the pope
and his 2000-year-old criminal cult of repression and fear
5) Heavy alcohol imbiber.
6) Small-dicked tea-totaler.
7) Cold-pussied tea-totaler.
8) Eschewer of oral sex.
9) Displayer of the confederate battle flag.
10) Maliciously anti-abortionist who's willing to kill pro-choicers.
That's it. If you find your lifestyle and thought processes here,
yeah, you're "one of em" - sorry!
11) chews too much gum.
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| User: "The Truth Squad" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 07:26:14 PM |
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Women are the perfect proof of poor urban design, installing a
playground so close to the town sewage dump
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| User: "Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 09:11:29 PM |
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They exchanged the truth of God for a lie,
and worshiped and served created things
rather than the Creator--who is forever praised.
Amen.
(Romans 1:25 NIV)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
19 Nov 2005 09:17:55 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:11:29 GMT, "Frank" <roines@mindspring.com>
wrote:
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie,
and worshiped and served created things
rather than the Creator--who is forever praised.
Amen.
(Romans 1:25 NIV)
What kind of moron quotes he bible on an atheist newsgroup?
What kind of deliberately nasty, in-your-face moron quotes it when it
slanders people outside his religion?
What kind of liar calls it "the truth"?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
20 Nov 2005 12:02:12 AM |
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Christopher Lee
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:11:29 GMT, "Frank" <roi...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie,
and worshiped and served created things
rather than the Creator--who is forever praised.
Amen.
(Romans 1:25 NIV)
What kind of moron quotes he bible on an atheist newsgroup?
What kind of deliberately nasty, in-your-face moron quotes it when it
slanders people outside his religion?
What kind of liar calls it "the truth"?
What kind..?
A christian, of course.
You should know that by now, Christopher..
PDW
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
21 Nov 2005 02:38:27 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:17:55 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:11:29 GMT, "Frank" <roines@mindspring.com>
wrote:
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie,
and worshiped and served created things
rather than the Creator--who is forever praised.
Amen.
(Romans 1:25 NIV)
What kind of moron quotes he bible on an atheist newsgroup?
What kind of deliberately nasty, in-your-face moron quotes it when it
slanders people outside his religion?
What kind of liar calls it "the truth"?
That's what Christians do.
Barry
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Notice how atheists want creatures to be their creators? Re: Evidence lacking in evolution 'cuz it's a wild guess made up by jokers claiming they know what they don't know - Example 579 |
21 Nov 2005 02:38:27 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:11:29 GMT, "Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote:
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie,
and worshiped and served created things
rather than the Creator--who is forever praised.
We must prop up God's infinite conceit.
Amen.
(Romans 1:25 NIV)
Barry
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