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"Bill" |
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23 Mar 2006 09:48:06 AM |
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EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and diseases
that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of all religious persuasions.
Why would this omnificent all loving omnificent creator be so brutal and
uncaring?
Just one example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West Africa
that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total blindness
for the rest of their lives. This is the work of an all caring and loving
god creator???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally innocent children
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit 2,000,000 TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN to
suffer and die of starvation each year and many more to suffer and die from
punishing diseases? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into
a miserable and devastating old age?
created gods!
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals
to survive?
Why does this all powerful, all caring and all loving god NOT permit those
in his heaven to communicate the supposed wonders of his heaven to their
living children, relatives and friends?
Why does he permit thousands of claims of different gods? If there is a real
god, why does he not announce clearly and unquestionably from his heaven
that he is the 'real' god and all the others are fakes? Why does he not
smite the fake gods?
Why all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven claims by the mentally deranged
and persons with selfish motives are not objective verifiable evidence -
they are just unsubstantiated silly claims.
The real objective evidence is that no god created man but quite the
contrary; that man
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
08 Apr 2006 07:05:58 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:TnzUf.837$q6.113@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and diseases
that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of all religious persuasions.
Why would this omnificent all loving omnificent creator be so brutal and
uncaring?
Just one example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West Africa
that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total blindness
for the rest of their lives. This is the work of an all caring and loving
god creator???
Read Genesis, about the FALL. These statements make me think you
believe that the current state of the world is what God created, BUT
it is not. The current state of the world is also explained in Romans,
as the first Adam sinned, the whole world is now in a fallen state, and the
last Adam, Jesus Christ will bing the consumation of the original Eden
back to the new state of the world in the near future.
You need to get into a Bible study, so that these things are explained
to you.
IHS, Mel.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
09 Apr 2006 01:17:44 AM |
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@bibleweb.info> wrote in message
news:paYZf.20564$Sf.19614@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:TnzUf.837$q6.113@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic
Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and
diseases
that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of all religious
persuasions.
Why would this omnificent all loving omnificent creator be so brutal and
uncaring?
Just one example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West
Africa
that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total
blindness
for the rest of their lives. This is the work of an all caring and loving
god creator???
Read Genesis, about the FALL. These statements make me think you
believe that the current state of the world is what God created, BUT
it is not. The current state of the world is also explained in Romans,
as the first Adam sinned, the whole world is now in a fallen state, and
the
last Adam, Jesus Christ will bing the consumation of the original Eden
back to the new state of the world in the near future.
You need to get into a Bible study, so that these things are explained
to you.
IHS, Mel.
IHS must stand for In His Stupidity. Mel has
returned merely to repeat the same nonsense
he belched here before over and over and over.
In other words, he has no message at all.
Nothing new fron old Mel.
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
08 Apr 2006 10:17:06 PM |
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Melchizedek wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:TnzUf.837$q6.113@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic
Eruptions, Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious
body
malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and
diseases that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of all religious
persuasions. Why would this omnificent all loving omnificent creator be
so brutal and uncaring?
Just one example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West
Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total
blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the work of an all caring
and loving god creator???
Read Genesis, about the FALL. These statements make me think you
believe that the current state of the world is what God created, BUT
it is not. The current state of the world is also explained in Romans,
as the first Adam sinned, the whole world is now in a fallen state,
and the last Adam, Jesus Christ will bing the consumation of the
original Eden back to the new state of the world in the near future.
You need to get into a Bible study, so that these things are explained
to you.
There is no "fall" in Genesis. Genesis. God creates man as stoop labor.
a gardener. This man is to be kept ignorant and mortal. When man discovers
knowledge of good and evil, he is removed from the garden to keep him from
eating of the tree of life and becoming imnnortal, a rival god.
Amazing how you religious clowns cannot read a simple bronze age tall tale
and get it right. "Let us turn to Genesis. Now throw out everything it
_actually_ says and make up *****.".
You guys need logic lessons before you are turned loose anywhere near a
bible.
There is no fall in Genesis. There is instead, the tale of how man
discovers he is being lied to by god.
And the odd tale of how god fears an intelligent and immortal Adam.
And this is why I hate religion, it seem to make man incapable of thinking.
It turns people into babbling morons without a lick of sense.
The REAL questions in Genesis are this:
Why does god need a gardener anyway?
Why is man to be denied knowledge of good and evil?
Why is man denied the right to eat of the Tee of life
and gain immortality?
what is this odd tale REALLY about in the mythic scheme of things?
You xians couldn't understand any of this with a gun to your heads.
Dumbasses all.
--
Just when did the children of Cthulhu take
over our government anyway?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS. |
08 Apr 2006 10:58:26 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Melchizedek wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:TnzUf.837$q6.113@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic
Eruptions, Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious
body
malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and
diseases that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of all religious
persuasions. Why would this omnificent all loving omnificent creator be
so brutal and uncaring?
Just one example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West
Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total
blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the work of an all caring
and loving god creator???
Read Genesis, about the FALL. These statements make me think you
believe that the current state of the world is what God created, BUT
it is not. The current state of the world is also explained in Romans,
as the first Adam sinned, the whole world is now in a fallen state,
and the last Adam, Jesus Christ will bing the consumation of the
original Eden back to the new state of the world in the near future.
You need to get into a Bible study, so that these things are explained
to you.
There is no "fall" in Genesis. Genesis. God creates man as stoop labor.
a gardener. This man is to be kept ignorant and mortal. When man discovers
knowledge of good and evil, he is removed from the garden to keep him from
eating of the tree of life and becoming imnnortal, a rival god.
Amazing how you religious clowns cannot read a simple bronze age tall tale
and get it right. "Let us turn to Genesis. Now throw out everything it
_actually_ says and make up *****.".
You guys need logic lessons before you are turned loose anywhere near a
bible.
There is no fall in Genesis. There is instead, the tale of how man
discovers he is being lied to by god.
And the odd tale of how god fears an intelligent and immortal Adam.
And this is why I hate religion, it seem to make man incapable of thinking.
It turns people into babbling morons without a lick of sense.
The REAL questions in Genesis are this:
Why does god need a gardener anyway?
===>The story is a loose recollection of the Sumerian ENUMA ELISH
creation myth, in which the "gods" created man because they got tired of
working the fields.
Why is man to be denied knowledge of good and evil?
===>Because YHWH is a jealous and vindictive deity who wishes to
keep people in ignorance.
Why is man denied the right to eat of the Tee of life
and gain immortality?
===>Again, because the ELOHIM are afraid of humans who are both
knowledgable and immortal.
what is this odd tale REALLY about in the mythic scheme of things?
===>It is about the oppressive Yahwist cult (Jeremiah, etc.) forcing people
to abandon their traditional religion and worship a deity that brings nothing
but pain and suffering to the Jews.
SEE: Jeremiah 44:17,18
"But rather we will certainly carry out every word that has proceeded from our
mouths,
by burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to
her,
just as we ourselves, our forefathers, our kings and our princes did in the
cities of Judah
and in the streets of Jerusalem; for then we had plenty of food and were well
off and saw no misfortune.
"But since we stopped burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pouring out
drink offerings to her,
we have lacked everything and have met our end by the sword and by famine."
The author of that creation story obviously did not believe in YHWH! -- L.
You xians couldn't understand any of this with a gun to your heads.
Dumbasses all.
--
Just when did the children of Cthulhu take
over our government anyway?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Midjis" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
23 Mar 2006 07:23:36 PM |
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Bill wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic
Eruptions, Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases,
serious body malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known
ailments and diseases that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of
all religious persuasions. Why would this omnificent all loving
omnificent creator be so brutal and uncaring?
How many times have we been through this post now?
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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24 Mar 2006 03:57:15 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:23:36 -0600, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
Bill wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic
Eruptions, Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases,
serious body malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known
ailments and diseases that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of
all religious persuasions. Why would this omnificent all loving
omnificent creator be so brutal and uncaring?
How many times have we been through this post now?
It certainly puzzles me why people need to create gods to
explain these natural phenomenon. Why this desire to blame
a god for it when there are perfectly adequate explanations?
Yes I can understand primitive, ignorant and superstion peoples
blaming evil gods but surely in the 21st Century when we know
so much more about our world than we did do why does Christianity
and other primitive supersitious beliefs in these horrible gods still
exist?
I guess old habits die hard especially in the more traditionalist
and backward looking cultures like the USA. It is interesting
that whenever they talk politics it is never in terms of how
they should become in the future - as we do - but how things
were 200 years ago, as if the framers of this ageing constitution
were somehow gods themselves and perfect.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Josh" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
24 Mar 2006 06:25:33 AM |
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Hello Bill and Les
It is refreshing to read some intelligent and well expressed argument about
God and religion.
I'll just repeat one point which I thought of lately. No-one has tackled it
yet, so I don't know how watertight it is: (I paste)
I'd like to look briefly at the nature of God. If he knows all,
what is that 'all'? If we imagine time since the Big Bang cut into thin
slices of say a hundredth of a second, and God takes a snapshot of the
position of every atom in the universe in each slice, the
amount of data piling up from our universe (not counting other universes for
now) makes the word 'astronomical' sound like counting to ten.
No such database of all activity in the universe could exist (or could it?);
therefore
no God with that degree of omniscience can exist, therefore no God as
perceived by humans can exist. He is a human invention to account for the
unexplainable over historical time, and he is gradually replaced by each
step of scientific discovery.
Enjoy thinking about that idea.
Kind regards: I'm in Yorkshire the White Rose County too, and to prove it
it has been raining all the morning: time now 1235.
Josh
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:23:36 -0600, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
Bill wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic
Eruptions, Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases,
serious body malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known
ailments and diseases that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of
all religious persuasions. Why would this omnificent all loving
omnificent creator be so brutal and uncaring?
How many times have we been through this post now?
It certainly puzzles me why people need to create gods to
explain these natural phenomenon. Why this desire to blame
a god for it when there are perfectly adequate explanations?
Yes I can understand primitive, ignorant and superstion peoples
blaming evil gods but surely in the 21st Century when we know
so much more about our world than we did do why does Christianity
and other primitive supersitious beliefs in these horrible gods still
exist?
I guess old habits die hard especially in the more traditionalist
and backward looking cultures like the USA. It is interesting
that whenever they talk politics it is never in terms of how
they should become in the future - as we do - but how things
were 200 years ago, as if the framers of this ageing constitution
were somehow gods themselves and perfect.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Midjis" |
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24 Mar 2006 06:42:18 AM |
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Josh wrote:
I'll just repeat one point which I thought of lately. No-one has
tackled it yet, so I don't know how watertight it is: (I paste)
I am, obviously, not Bill or Les, but if I may?
No such database of all activity in the universe could exist (or could
it?); therefore
no God with that degree of omniscience can exist, therefore no God as
perceived by humans can exist. He is a human invention to account for
the unexplainable over historical time, and he is gradually replaced
by each step of scientific discovery.
While I agree with your conclusion - that God is a construct created by
humans - I disagree with the logic by which you reach it.
Your premise is that no such database as you describe above could exist.
However, that premise, and therefore your reasoning, is rendered invalid by
your inclusion of the words "or could it?".
If you cannot say for certain that such a database could not exist then you
cannot base any further argument on the premise that no such database could
exist.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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23 Mar 2006 12:41:18 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and diseases
that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of all religious persuasions.
Why would this omnificent all loving omnificent creator be so brutal and
uncaring?
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point. What you are discussing is not
a real god but an undevidenced belief about a god. This belief is that
a god (whatever it is supposed to be) created everything and
everything means just that EVERYTHING, out of nothing, bad as
well as good and they cannot pretend otherwise. Creating gods is not
like creating sci-fi or genuine fictional fantasy where the reader is
supposed to suspend disbelief and pretend that all those
inconsistencies that in reality render the fiction as nonesense
do not exist.
They cannot pretend that this belief is in a god that is all love
and omnibenevolent and claim at the same time it created
the universe out of nothing. Nothing is just that. No good
and no evil.No heaven or hell, no love and no hate, and no
disasters happiness or misery. Their belief tell us all these
things only happen AFTER the creation and not before.
We of course find their claim to be unjustified and have no reason
to believe that we are in anything other than part of a natural world
governed by natural laws. There is much about this world that
we do not understand, but what we do can be fully explained
in terms of natural laws and everything we have discovered and
managed to explain has been within this natural framework and
logically fit together. There is of course much more work to be
done, there is still much to learn but we progress at an increasingly
rapid pace. The more we know the more it is possible to know.
At no time has any evidence come to light that points to a
supernatural intervention.
The real objective evidence is that no god created man but quite the
contrary; that man
You pressed post prematurely :-)
All evidence points to gods having been created by ignorant
Designer with far too much imagination and insufficient intelligence,
no other explanation makes and sense.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Bill" |
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23 Mar 2006 02:02:34 PM |
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It is refreshing to see intelligent discourse.
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:ejk522dqtq44kjfutsf3kgfm3j5mfahi85@4ax.com...
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and diseases
that torture and kill men, women and CHILDREN of all religious
persuasions.
Why would this omnificent all loving omnificent creator be so brutal and
uncaring?
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point. What you are discussing is not
a real god but an undevidenced belief about a god. This belief is that
a god (whatever it is supposed to be) created everything and
everything means just that EVERYTHING, out of nothing, bad as
well as good and they cannot pretend otherwise. Creating gods is not
like creating sci-fi or genuine fictional fantasy where the reader is
supposed to suspend disbelief and pretend that all those
inconsistencies that in reality render the fiction as nonesense
do not exist.
They cannot pretend that this belief is in a god that is all love
and omnibenevolent and claim at the same time it created
the universe out of nothing. Nothing is just that. No good
and no evil.No heaven or hell, no love and no hate, and no
disasters happiness or misery. Their belief tell us all these
things only happen AFTER the creation and not before.
We of course find their claim to be unjustified and have no reason
to believe that we are in anything other than part of a natural world
governed by natural laws. There is much about this world that
we do not understand, but what we do can be fully explained
in terms of natural laws and everything we have discovered and
managed to explain has been within this natural framework and
logically fit together. There is of course much more work to be
done, there is still much to learn but we progress at an increasingly
rapid pace. The more we know the more it is possible to know.
At no time has any evidence come to light that points to a
supernatural intervention.
The real objective evidence is that no god created man but quite the
contrary; that man
You pressed post prematurely :-)
All evidence points to gods having been created by ignorant
Designer with far too much imagination and insufficient intelligence,
no other explanation makes and sense.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
24 Mar 2006 12:48:37 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:41:18 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point.
You know better than him what his point is?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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24 Mar 2006 01:31:24 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:48:37 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:41:18 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point.
You know better than him what his point is?
What a silly comment, I guess it should be expected from
Duke trying to divert attention from the clear message he
makes and which I supported.
Has he written to say that I was wrong or knew better
than him? No he replied with a compliment. I understood what he
meant. Did you?
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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25 Mar 2006 07:13:28 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:31:24 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:48:37 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:41:18 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point.
You know better than him what his point is?
What a silly comment, I guess it should be expected from
Duke trying to divert attention from the clear message he
makes and which I supported.
Well, here's your initial point:
*****
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point.
*****
See, you are trying to tell him what his point is.
Has he written to say that I was wrong or knew better
than him? No he replied with a compliment. I understood what he
meant. Did you?
Maybe he's on vacation right now. Maybe he died. You should not go around
telling others what they meant. Like YOU know!!
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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25 Mar 2006 01:02:07 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:13:28 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:31:24 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:48:37 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:41:18 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point.
You know better than him what his point is?
What a silly comment, I guess it should be expected from
Duke trying to divert attention from the clear message he
makes and which I supported.
Well, here's your initial point:
*****
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point.
*****
See, you are trying to tell him what his point is.
Are you arguing his point was that he 'hates god'? If you
are then you are guilty of the same presumption you accuse
me of except you would be wrong.
Has he written to say that I was wrong or knew better
than him? No he replied with a compliment. I understood what he
meant. Did you?
Maybe he's on vacation right now. Maybe he died. You should not go around
telling others what they meant. Like YOU know!!
'Bill', to whose orginal post my remark was addressed, responded to
my post with: "It is refreshing to see intelligent discourse."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_thread/thread/10e6578807f4407e/9c6ae4c226e61bce?lnk=st&q=%22evidence+of+no+gods%22&rnum=1&hl=en#9c6ae4c226e61bce
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Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
25 Mar 2006 01:56:51 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:02:07 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
What a silly comment, I guess it should be expected from
Duke trying to divert attention from the clear message he
makes and which I supported.
Well, here's your initial point:
*****
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point.
*****
See, you are trying to tell him what his point is.
Are you arguing his point was that he 'hates god'?
I'm advising you that you make an ***** of yourself trying to tell him what his
point is.
If you
are then you are guilty of the same presumption you accuse
me of except you would be wrong.
You don't have sense enough to know when you had yourself.
Has he written to say that I was wrong or knew better
than him? No he replied with a compliment. I understood what he
meant. Did you?
Maybe he's on vacation right now. Maybe he died. You should not go around
telling others what they meant. Like YOU know!!
'Bill', to whose orginal post my remark was addressed, responded to
my post with: "It is refreshing to see intelligent discourse."
yada, yada, yada.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
25 Mar 2006 02:55:10 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:56:51 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:02:07 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
What a silly comment, I guess it should be expected from
Duke trying to divert attention from the clear message he
makes and which I supported.
Well, here's your initial point:
*****
No doubt your post will be dismissed as by one who 'hates god' but
of course that is not your point.
*****
See, you are trying to tell him what his point is.
Are you arguing his point was that he 'hates god'?
I'm advising you that you make an ***** of yourself trying to tell him what his
point is.
O contraire mon ami he complimented me for my responce.
Nor did I tell him what his point was but what it clealy was
not! You would have to be a fool to think otherwise.
And actually it is between him and I whether he wishes to take
issue with my comment and none of your business to butt in.
He did not take issue with quite the reverse so:
The only braying ***** here is you, out of line, intefering where
you are not welcome in matters you clearly do not understand
and WRONG!
Maybe you can explain why you lot created a god to explain the origins
of this flawed disaster prone earth of ours and then consider it to be
a good god and a compassionate god worthy of praise. Beats me, it
really does particularly when you argue ALL EVIDENCE points to it.
If you
are then you are guilty of the same presumption you accuse
me of except you would be wrong.
You don't have sense enough to know when you had yourself.
Has he written to say that I was wrong or knew better
than him? No he replied with a compliment. I understood what he
meant. Did you?
Maybe he's on vacation right now. Maybe he died. You should not go around
telling others what they meant. Like YOU know!!
'Bill', to whose orginal post my remark was addressed, responded to
my post with: "It is refreshing to see intelligent discourse."
yada, yada, yada.
Is all you really ever have to say. That intelligence quotient Bill
(and others) mentioned has dropped to rock bottom since you joined
this thread.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
24 Mar 2006 12:47:57 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation?
Those are a result of man trying to be a god. Think Adam and Eve. We lived in
a garden (heaven) until they blew it and got tossed out.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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24 Mar 2006 03:33:31 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation?
Those are a result of man trying to be a god.
===>When did they "try to be a god"???
By eating a fruit?
Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions are
"a result of man" EATING A FRUIT???
You are insane! -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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25 Mar 2006 07:09:54 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:33:31 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Those are a result of man trying to be a god.
===>When did they "try to be a god"???
By eating a fruit?
By telling God they will decide, and not he.
Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions are
"a result of man" EATING A FRUIT???
You are insane! -- L.
No, but you clearly don't understand.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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25 Mar 2006 07:10:14 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:33:31 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Those are a result of man trying to be a god.
===>When did they "try to be a god"???
By eating a fruit?
By telling God they will decide, and not he.
===>FALSE.
There's no reference to them "telling God" any such thing!
Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions are
"a result of man" EATING A FRUIT???
You are insane! -- L.
No, but you clearly don't understand.
===>Oh, but I do!
You're NUTS to claim such nonsense. -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Mar 2006 07:48:41 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:10:14 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>When did they "try to be a god"???
By eating a fruit?
By telling God they will decide, and not he.
===>FALSE.
There's no reference to them "telling God" any such thing!
They told him "no, we'll decide".
Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions are
"a result of man" EATING A FRUIT???
You are insane! -- L.
No, but you clearly don't understand.
===>Oh, but I do!
You're NUTS to claim such nonsense. -- L.
Hey, it's in the bible, libby. Try reading Genesis.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "George Wright" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
26 Mar 2006 09:12:28 AM |
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Trimmed to alt.atheism.
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:nr6d22ppgej38kh4lltlbot0vhmaqjr58e@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:10:14 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
[...]
Hey, it's in the bible, libby. Try reading Genesis.
Most people believe the Creator of the Universe wrote (or caused to be
written) a book.
The problem is that there are so many books.... The Bible, the Koran, the
Bhagavad-Gita, the Book of Mormon, the Collected Works of L. Ron Hubbard,
etc. (Sincere apologies if I neglected anybody's particular holy book---no
special disrespect intended.) A further problem is that the truth-claims of
these books sometimes conflict. Moreover, the truth-claims can't be
verified.
What's a mother to do?
Geo
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
26 Mar 2006 11:42:29 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:10:14 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
===>When did they "try to be a god"???
By eating a fruit?
By telling God they will decide, and not he.
===>FALSE.
There's no reference to them "telling God" any such thing!
They told him "no, we'll decide".
===>Stop lying!
No such verse in Genesis.
Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions are
"a result of man" EATING A FRUIT???
You are insane! -- L.
No, but you clearly don't understand.
===>Oh, but I do!
You're NUTS to claim such nonsense. -- L.
Hey, it's in the bible, libby. Try reading Genesis.
===>I have.
You obviously have not, evidenced by your pretense
to cite things that are not there! -- L.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
24 Mar 2006 12:57:44 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation?
Those are a result of man trying to be a god. Think Adam and Eve. We lived in
a garden (heaven) until they blew it and got tossed out.
So Adam and Eve got tossed out. That implies it is still there, sans
Adam and Eve. Where is it?
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
24 Mar 2006 01:59:21 PM |
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On 24 Mar 2006 10:57:44 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation?
Those are a result of man trying to be a god. Think Adam and Eve. We lived in
a garden (heaven) until they blew it and got tossed out.
So Adam and Eve got tossed out. That implies it is still there, sans
Adam and Eve. Where is it?
Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
24 Mar 2006 03:38:18 PM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
On 24 Mar 2006 10:57:44 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation?
Those are a result of man trying to be a god. Think Adam and Eve. We lived in
a garden (heaven) until they blew it and got tossed out.
So Adam and Eve got tossed out. That implies it is still there, sans
Adam and Eve. Where is it?
Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning.
Starring Jesus as Peter Pan.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: EVIDENCE OF NO GODS |
25 Mar 2006 07:08:23 AM |
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On 24 Mar 2006 10:57:44 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:48:06 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create killing Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation?
Those are a result of man trying to be a god. Think Adam and Eve. We lived in
a garden (heaven) until they blew it and got tossed out.
So Adam and Eve got tossed out. That implies it is still there, sans
Adam and Eve. Where is it?
Do you want the address? I don't have one.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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