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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Budikka666" |
| Date: |
23 Jan 2008 04:10:18 PM |
| Object: |
Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
Grrl Scientist at www.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist
http://tinyurl.com/2qqnoe
"Since The Scientist is revisiting this issue on their blog, I decided
to poke around in the primary literature a bit and, as a result, I
have concluded that the general lack of female science blog writers is
clearly a reflection of scientific publishing and indeed, of the
scientific community in general. The fact is that female scientists do
not publish as often as male scientists. Why? Some people have told me
that women do not produce scientific results that are of the same high
quality as those produced by men (nor do they write life science blogs
as well as men, apparently) and that male reviewers can readily
recognize when a woman is the lead (or sole) author of a scientific
paper because "women do science differently from men" (whatever that
means). Basically, science is still a very sexist community where its
female practitioners publish less frequently than men at least
partially because of the peer-review system that is in place. I think
the commonly used single-blind peer review process is biased against
papers whose lead (or sole) author is female, just as the field of
science is biased against women in general."
Budikka
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
23 Jan 2008 04:46:14 PM |
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I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
science.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
23 Jan 2008 05:04:06 PM |
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| I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
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And creation science men are too.
That's because it ain't science McMoron.
Now, about that video, ISBN's and deleted postings.
Any thoughts?
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 02:55:40 AM |
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On Jan 23, 3:04=A0pm, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
wrote:
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JM20000...@hotmail.com wrote:
| I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
| science.
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And creation science men are too.
That's because it ain't science McMoron.
Now, about that video, ISBN's and deleted postings.
Any thoughts?
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
Hey Rev, is this a conspiracy? A conspiracy is when two people or
more get together and conjure. I notice that you're saying the same
thing that Ye Old One is saying.
JM
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 07:57:21 AM |
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| On Jan 23, 3:04 pm, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
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|> wrote:
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|> | I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
|> | science.
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|> And creation science men are too.
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|> That's because it ain't science McMoron.
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|> Now, about that video, ISBN's and deleted postings.
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|> Any thoughts?
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|> - --
|> There are none more ignorant and useless,
|> than they that seek answers on their knees,
|> with their eyes closed.
|> ____________________________________________________________________
|> Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
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| Hey Rev, is this a conspiracy? A conspiracy is when two people or
| more get together and conjure. I notice that you're saying the same
| thing that Ye Old One is saying.
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I notice you can produce nothing that I and several others are say.
Turkey, pile of rocks, you, video.
Any thoughts?
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 07:39:14 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:55:40 -0800 (PST),
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
On Jan 23, 3:04 pm, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
wrote:
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JM20000...@hotmail.com wrote:
| I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
| science.
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And creation science men are too.
That's because it ain't science McMoron.
Now, about that video, ISBN's and deleted postings.
Any thoughts?
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
Hey Rev, is this a conspiracy?
Silly little troll.
A conspiracy is when two people or
more get together and conjure.
What?
I notice that you're saying the same
thing that Ye Old One is saying.
Because we are both talking to a lying moron.
JM
So McClueless, your urgent attention is still required to the
following:-
1) The McPiltdown Deathmarch and you inability to own up to the lie
that "millions of school textbooks were published that used Piltdown
Man as evidence to brainwash kids into believing in evolution." This
has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
2) The McClueless Video Challenge. Day 13 and still no quotes
forthcoming on getting both of your claimed video transferred to DVD
so that your extreme claims about their content can be examined.
3) Evidence that anyone has ever censored, deleted, altered or in any
other way played with your usenet postings.
Until you start paying attention to these matters you will continue to
stand a convicted liar and fraud in the court of public opinion.
Everything is now in YOU hands McClueless - only YOU can get yourself
out of this mess.
--
Bob.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 01:27:37 PM |
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On Jan 24, 5:39=A0am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
This
has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
You waited a whole year for the 1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Survey, the
one you said didn't exist.
JM
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
25 Jan 2008 06:24:16 AM |
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<JM20000000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:85426434-40cd-4957-974a-f8211ce86835@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 24, 5:39 am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
This
has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
You waited a whole year for the 1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Survey, the
one you said didn't exist.
JM
Admit it, nameless. You can't back up your lies
or support your assertions. You will continue to
change the subject, ignore information sent to
you showing how wrong you are, change your
email address or just run away. That is your
regular pattern. We all know this. It's what
you've been doing for years.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis as per Huey Long
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
25 Jan 2008 08:40:53 AM |
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JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
| On Jan 24, 5:39 am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
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| This
|> has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
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| You waited a whole year for the 1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Survey, the
| one you said didn't exist.
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| JM
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So, it takes you more then a year and a half to find the ISBN of even
ONE textbook that will support your lie.
You stand alone in your lies McShitStain. Everyone can now see exactly
what you are.
Don't be surprised that when you post a new thread, these lies of yours
come back to haunt you.
You know what you need to do to fix it, but you won't, because you
can't. You've become trapped in the lies, and there is no way out now.
Another shining example of a liar for Jesus.
What would your Jesus do now?
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
25 Jan 2008 05:32:54 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:40:53 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
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| On Jan 24, 5:39 am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
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| This
|> has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
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| You waited a whole year for the 1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Survey, the
| one you said didn't exist.
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| JM
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So, it takes you more then a year and a half to find the ISBN of even
ONE textbook that will support your lie.
You stand alone in your lies McShitStain. Everyone can now see exactly
what you are.
Don't be surprised that when you post a new thread, these lies of yours
come back to haunt you.
You know what you need to do to fix it, but you won't, because you
can't. You've become trapped in the lies, and there is no way out now.
Another shining example of a liar for Jesus.
What would your Jesus do now?
Not exist.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
25 Jan 2008 11:37:59 PM |
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| On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:40:53 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
| <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
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|> | On Jan 24, 5:39 am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
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|> | This
|> |> has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
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|> | You waited a whole year for the 1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Survey, the
|> | one you said didn't exist.
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|> | JM
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|> So, it takes you more then a year and a half to find the ISBN of even
|> ONE textbook that will support your lie.
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|> You stand alone in your lies McShitStain. Everyone can now see exactly
|> what you are.
|>
|> Don't be surprised that when you post a new thread, these lies of yours
|> come back to haunt you.
|>
|> You know what you need to do to fix it, but you won't, because you
|> can't. You've become trapped in the lies, and there is no way out now.
|>
|> Another shining example of a liar for Jesus.
|>
|> What would your Jesus do now?
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| Not exist.
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hey, Hey, HEY! I know what you think Michael. Geez, can't a guy have
just a little fun? :-D
I wanted to hear what the "2 billion lies served daily" McLiar was going
to say.
Now you've gone and ruined it. Darn. :-(
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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25 Jan 2008 11:41:00 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:37:59 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
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| On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:40:53 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
| <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
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|> | On Jan 24, 5:39 am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
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|> | This
|> |> has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
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|> | You waited a whole year for the 1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Survey, the
|> | one you said didn't exist.
|> |
|> | JM
|> |
|> So, it takes you more then a year and a half to find the ISBN of even
|> ONE textbook that will support your lie.
|>
|> You stand alone in your lies McShitStain. Everyone can now see exactly
|> what you are.
|>
|> Don't be surprised that when you post a new thread, these lies of yours
|> come back to haunt you.
|>
|> You know what you need to do to fix it, but you won't, because you
|> can't. You've become trapped in the lies, and there is no way out now.
|>
|> Another shining example of a liar for Jesus.
|>
|> What would your Jesus do now?
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| Not exist.
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hey, Hey, HEY! I know what you think Michael. Geez, can't a guy have
just a little fun? :-D
I wanted to hear what the "2 billion lies served daily" McLiar was going
to say.
Now you've gone and ruined it. Darn. :-(
Don't fret.
He is a boundless font of lies.
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 03:13:19 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:27:37 -0800 (PST),
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
On Jan 24, 5:39 am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
This
has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
You waited a whole year for the 1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Survey, the
one you said didn't exist.
You have yet to offer any evidence to show it does.
JM
So, we are still waiting for you to attend to the following
outstanding items:-
1) The McPiltdown Deathmarch and your inability to own up to the lie
that "millions of school textbooks were published that used Piltdown
Man as evidence to brainwash kids into believing in evolution." This
has now been awaiting your solution for 19 months.
2) The McClueless Video Challenge. Day 13 and still no quotes
forthcoming on getting both of your claimed video transferred to DVD
so that your extreme claims about their content can be examined.
3) Evidence that anyone has ever censored, deleted, altered or in any
other way played with your usenet postings.
Until you start paying attention to these matters you will continue to
stand a convicted liar and fraud in the court of public opinion. Do
you like being seen as a liar?
--
Bob.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 01:41:44 AM |
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In article
<624309d7-f6eb-4a77-8b5f-a390570566a8@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
science.
Creation "science" is an oxymoron. You're just a moron.
--
John #1782
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 02:42:23 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:41:44 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article
<624309d7-f6eb-4a77-8b5f-a390570566a8@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
science.
Creation "science" is an oxymoron. You're just a moron.
It's no wonder that he has so many ZEROs to his name!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
25 Jan 2008 12:17:03 AM |
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In article <iqjgp3hifautbjpo8sp47dija5paeu24os@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:41:44 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article
<624309d7-f6eb-4a77-8b5f-a390570566a8@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
JM20000000@hotmail.com wrote:
I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
science.
Creation "science" is an oxymoron. You're just a moron.
It's no wonder that he has so many ZEROs to his name!
From hero to zero in 1.5 milliseconds.
--
John #1782
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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23 Jan 2008 05:39:32 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:46:14 -0800 (PST),
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Creation science
There is no such thing McClueless.
Just as there are no videos to back up your claims about Turkey. Just
as there are not millions of school textbooks using Piltdown Man as
key evidence to convince kids evolution is right.
--
Bob.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
23 Jan 2008 09:43:19 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:46:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
I totally agree with this. Creation science women are excluded from
science.
No such thing as 'creation science'.
And why the nym shift, McFuckwit? Trying to avoid killfiles are you?
Typical troll behavior.
Now, where's that video?
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| User: "Wexford" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 08:25:53 AM |
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On Jan 23, 5:10=A0pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Grrl Scientist atwww.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientisthttp://tinyurl.com/2qqn=
oe
"Since The Scientist is revisiting this issue on their blog, I decided
to poke around in the primary literature a bit and, as a result, I
have concluded that the general lack of female science blog writers is
clearly a reflection of scientific publishing and indeed, of the
scientific community in general. The fact is that female scientists do
not publish as often as male scientists. Why? Some people have told me
that women do not produce scientific results that are of the same high
quality as those produced by men (nor do they write life science blogs
as well as men, apparently) and that male reviewers can readily
recognize when a woman is the lead (or sole) author of a scientific
paper because "women do science differently from men" (whatever that
means). Basically, science is still a very sexist community where its
female practitioners publish less frequently than men at least
partially because of the peer-review system that is in place. I think
the commonly used single-blind peer review process is biased against
papers whose lead (or sole) author is female, just as the field of
science is biased against women in general."
Budikka
These sweeping conclusions were based on the study of articles in one
journal, Behavioral Ecology (BE), published between 1997 and 2005.
So, because the editors of one journal may or may not have published
women as frequently as they could have, "...science is still a very
sexist community where its female practitioners publish less
frequently than men at least partially because of the peer-review
system that is in place..."
Conclusions like that are probably why women aren't published more
frequently.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
23 Jan 2008 06:15:13 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:10:18 -0800 (PST), Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Grrl Scientist at www.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist
http://tinyurl.com/2qqnoe
"Since The Scientist is revisiting this issue on their blog, I decided
to poke around in the primary literature a bit and, as a result, I
have concluded that the general lack of female science blog writers is
clearly a reflection of scientific publishing and indeed, of the
scientific community in general. The fact is that female scientists do
not publish as often as male scientists. Why? Some people have told me
that women do not produce scientific results that are of the same high
quality as those produced by men (nor do they write life science blogs
as well as men, apparently) and that male reviewers can readily
recognize when a woman is the lead (or sole) author of a scientific
paper because "women do science differently from men" (whatever that
means). Basically, science is still a very sexist community where its
female practitioners publish less frequently than men at least
partially because of the peer-review system that is in place. I think
the commonly used single-blind peer review process is biased against
papers whose lead (or sole) author is female, just as the field of
science is biased against women in general."
Budikka
And...
Study reveals sex bias in science
18 January 2008
New Scientist
"If you thought the glass ceiling for female scientists had been
shattered, think again. Women are more likely to have their research
published if the referees who peer review their work are unaware of
their gender, a new study suggests.
It has long been suspected that "single-blind" peer review - in which
reviewers know a researcher's identity but not vice versa - can lead
to bias. Gender, nationality and nepotism have also been identified as
biasing factors in the application process for research fellowships.
Some suggest that double-blind peer review, in which neither side
knows the other's identity, would be a fairer system. To find out if
this is true, Amber Budden at the University of Toronto in Canada and
her colleagues looked at the gender of the authors of papers accepted
by Behavioural Ecology before and after it switched to double-blind
peer review in 2001.
In the four years following the switch, 8 per cent more female authors
had papers published compared to the previous four years (Trends in
Ecology and Evolution, DOI: 10.1016/j.tree.2007.07.008). While Budden
accepts that there may be other explanations, she believes the
findings should provoke wider discussion about the advantages of
double-blind peer review.
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
<http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg19726393.600-study-reveals-sex-bias-in-science.html>
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 01:39:42 AM |
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In article <73mfp31oda47bvqpd0uh2g0c8sqes16slm@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:10:18 -0800 (PST), Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Grrl Scientist at www.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist
http://tinyurl.com/2qqnoe
"Since The Scientist is revisiting this issue on their blog, I decided
to poke around in the primary literature a bit and, as a result, I
have concluded that the general lack of female science blog writers is
clearly a reflection of scientific publishing and indeed, of the
scientific community in general. The fact is that female scientists do
not publish as often as male scientists. Why? Some people have told me
that women do not produce scientific results that are of the same high
quality as those produced by men (nor do they write life science blogs
as well as men, apparently) and that male reviewers can readily
recognize when a woman is the lead (or sole) author of a scientific
paper because "women do science differently from men" (whatever that
means). Basically, science is still a very sexist community where its
female practitioners publish less frequently than men at least
partially because of the peer-review system that is in place. I think
the commonly used single-blind peer review process is biased against
papers whose lead (or sole) author is female, just as the field of
science is biased against women in general."
Budikka
And...
Study reveals sex bias in science
18 January 2008
New Scientist
"If you thought the glass ceiling for female scientists had been
shattered, think again. Women are more likely to have their research
published if the referees who peer review their work are unaware of
their gender, a new study suggests.
It has long been suspected that "single-blind" peer review - in which
reviewers know a researcher's identity but not vice versa - can lead
to bias. Gender, nationality and nepotism have also been identified as
biasing factors in the application process for research fellowships.
Some suggest that double-blind peer review, in which neither side
knows the other's identity, would be a fairer system. To find out if
this is true, Amber Budden at the University of Toronto in Canada and
her colleagues looked at the gender of the authors of papers accepted
by Behavioural Ecology before and after it switched to double-blind
peer review in 2001.
In the four years following the switch, 8 per cent more female authors
had papers published compared to the previous four years (Trends in
Ecology and Evolution, DOI: 10.1016/j.tree.2007.07.008). While Budden
accepts that there may be other explanations, she believes the
findings should provoke wider discussion about the advantages of
double-blind peer review.
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
I agree. There is no place for bias in science.
<http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg19726393.600-study-reveals-
sex-bias-in-science.html>
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John #1782
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24 Jan 2008 01:44:37 AM |
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On Jan 24, 5:39 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
I agree. There is no place for bias in science.
<http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg19726393.600-study-...
sex-bias-in-science.html>
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John #1782
Amen. And if there was a move to double-blind peer reviews, then that
would totally deflate stupid creationists' claims of science anti-
creationism conspiracy. But I already notice that ID papers ahven't
been published through any of the publications that DO already use
double blind reviews.
Al
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| User: "johac" |
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25 Jan 2008 12:23:07 AM |
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In article
<22c3cc1c-d645-402c-a9b6-f9f57ed1da5e@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwhipp@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Jan 24, 5:39 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
I agree. There is no place for bias in science.
<http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg19726393.600-study-...
sex-bias-in-science.html>
--
John #1782
Amen. And if there was a move to double-blind peer reviews, then that
would totally deflate stupid creationists' claims of science anti-
creationism conspiracy. But I already notice that ID papers ahven't
been published through any of the publications that DO already use
double blind reviews.
Al
The creationists' papers don't get published in scientific journals
because they don't contain any science.
--
John #1782
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 02:44:13 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:44:37 -0800 (PST), "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA
Al)" <alwhipp@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Jan 24, 5:39 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
I agree. There is no place for bias in science.
<http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg19726393.600-study-...
sex-bias-in-science.html>
--
John #1782
Amen. And if there was a move to double-blind peer reviews, then that
would totally deflate stupid creationists' claims of science anti-
creationism conspiracy. But I already notice that ID papers ahven't
been published through any of the publications that DO already use
double blind reviews.
Thre is a good reason for that.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
24 Jan 2008 02:43:36 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:39:42 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <73mfp31oda47bvqpd0uh2g0c8sqes16slm@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:10:18 -0800 (PST), Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Grrl Scientist at www.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist
http://tinyurl.com/2qqnoe
"Since The Scientist is revisiting this issue on their blog, I decided
to poke around in the primary literature a bit and, as a result, I
have concluded that the general lack of female science blog writers is
clearly a reflection of scientific publishing and indeed, of the
scientific community in general. The fact is that female scientists do
not publish as often as male scientists. Why? Some people have told me
that women do not produce scientific results that are of the same high
quality as those produced by men (nor do they write life science blogs
as well as men, apparently) and that male reviewers can readily
recognize when a woman is the lead (or sole) author of a scientific
paper because "women do science differently from men" (whatever that
means). Basically, science is still a very sexist community where its
female practitioners publish less frequently than men at least
partially because of the peer-review system that is in place. I think
the commonly used single-blind peer review process is biased against
papers whose lead (or sole) author is female, just as the field of
science is biased against women in general."
Budikka
And...
Study reveals sex bias in science
18 January 2008
New Scientist
"If you thought the glass ceiling for female scientists had been
shattered, think again. Women are more likely to have their research
published if the referees who peer review their work are unaware of
their gender, a new study suggests.
It has long been suspected that "single-blind" peer review - in which
reviewers know a researcher's identity but not vice versa - can lead
to bias. Gender, nationality and nepotism have also been identified as
biasing factors in the application process for research fellowships.
Some suggest that double-blind peer review, in which neither side
knows the other's identity, would be a fairer system. To find out if
this is true, Amber Budden at the University of Toronto in Canada and
her colleagues looked at the gender of the authors of papers accepted
by Behavioural Ecology before and after it switched to double-blind
peer review in 2001.
In the four years following the switch, 8 per cent more female authors
had papers published compared to the previous four years (Trends in
Ecology and Evolution, DOI: 10.1016/j.tree.2007.07.008). While Budden
accepts that there may be other explanations, she believes the
findings should provoke wider discussion about the advantages of
double-blind peer review.
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
I agree. There is no place for bias in science.
Perhaps. Apart from magnetic material research, or fabric technology.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
25 Jan 2008 12:18:59 AM |
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In article <bsjgp3hqpr1ltk55f2crp6stj2ftu4hqrn@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:39:42 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <73mfp31oda47bvqpd0uh2g0c8sqes16slm@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:10:18 -0800 (PST), Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Grrl Scientist at www.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist
http://tinyurl.com/2qqnoe
"Since The Scientist is revisiting this issue on their blog, I decided
to poke around in the primary literature a bit and, as a result, I
have concluded that the general lack of female science blog writers is
clearly a reflection of scientific publishing and indeed, of the
scientific community in general. The fact is that female scientists do
not publish as often as male scientists. Why? Some people have told me
that women do not produce scientific results that are of the same high
quality as those produced by men (nor do they write life science blogs
as well as men, apparently) and that male reviewers can readily
recognize when a woman is the lead (or sole) author of a scientific
paper because "women do science differently from men" (whatever that
means). Basically, science is still a very sexist community where its
female practitioners publish less frequently than men at least
partially because of the peer-review system that is in place. I think
the commonly used single-blind peer review process is biased against
papers whose lead (or sole) author is female, just as the field of
science is biased against women in general."
Budikka
And...
Study reveals sex bias in science
18 January 2008
New Scientist
"If you thought the glass ceiling for female scientists had been
shattered, think again. Women are more likely to have their research
published if the referees who peer review their work are unaware of
their gender, a new study suggests.
It has long been suspected that "single-blind" peer review - in which
reviewers know a researcher's identity but not vice versa - can lead
to bias. Gender, nationality and nepotism have also been identified as
biasing factors in the application process for research fellowships.
Some suggest that double-blind peer review, in which neither side
knows the other's identity, would be a fairer system. To find out if
this is true, Amber Budden at the University of Toronto in Canada and
her colleagues looked at the gender of the authors of papers accepted
by Behavioural Ecology before and after it switched to double-blind
peer review in 2001.
In the four years following the switch, 8 per cent more female authors
had papers published compared to the previous four years (Trends in
Ecology and Evolution, DOI: 10.1016/j.tree.2007.07.008). While Budden
accepts that there may be other explanations, she believes the
findings should provoke wider discussion about the advantages of
double-blind peer review.
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
I agree. There is no place for bias in science.
Perhaps. Apart from magnetic material research, or fabric technology.
Well, OK. Although I didn't know that magnets and textiles had opinions.
:-)
--
John #1782
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
25 Jan 2008 04:08:08 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:18:59 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <bsjgp3hqpr1ltk55f2crp6stj2ftu4hqrn@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:39:42 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <73mfp31oda47bvqpd0uh2g0c8sqes16slm@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:10:18 -0800 (PST), Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Grrl Scientist at www.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist
http://tinyurl.com/2qqnoe
"Since The Scientist is revisiting this issue on their blog, I decided
to poke around in the primary literature a bit and, as a result, I
have concluded that the general lack of female science blog writers is
clearly a reflection of scientific publishing and indeed, of the
scientific community in general. The fact is that female scientists do
not publish as often as male scientists. Why? Some people have told me
that women do not produce scientific results that are of the same high
quality as those produced by men (nor do they write life science blogs
as well as men, apparently) and that male reviewers can readily
recognize when a woman is the lead (or sole) author of a scientific
paper because "women do science differently from men" (whatever that
means). Basically, science is still a very sexist community where its
female practitioners publish less frequently than men at least
partially because of the peer-review system that is in place. I think
the commonly used single-blind peer review process is biased against
papers whose lead (or sole) author is female, just as the field of
science is biased against women in general."
Budikka
And...
Study reveals sex bias in science
18 January 2008
New Scientist
"If you thought the glass ceiling for female scientists had been
shattered, think again. Women are more likely to have their research
published if the referees who peer review their work are unaware of
their gender, a new study suggests.
It has long been suspected that "single-blind" peer review - in which
reviewers know a researcher's identity but not vice versa - can lead
to bias. Gender, nationality and nepotism have also been identified as
biasing factors in the application process for research fellowships.
Some suggest that double-blind peer review, in which neither side
knows the other's identity, would be a fairer system. To find out if
this is true, Amber Budden at the University of Toronto in Canada and
her colleagues looked at the gender of the authors of papers accepted
by Behavioural Ecology before and after it switched to double-blind
peer review in 2001.
In the four years following the switch, 8 per cent more female authors
had papers published compared to the previous four years (Trends in
Ecology and Evolution, DOI: 10.1016/j.tree.2007.07.008). While Budden
accepts that there may be other explanations, she believes the
findings should provoke wider discussion about the advantages of
double-blind peer review.
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
I agree. There is no place for bias in science.
Perhaps. Apart from magnetic material research, or fabric technology.
Well, OK. Although I didn't know that magnets and textiles had opinions.
:-)
Oh, you know what I meant, you scallywag!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Evidence That Women Are Excluded From Science |
26 Jan 2008 01:03:15 AM |
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In article <57djp3dme46ru40p878r41l6nghlj6rgnm@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:18:59 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <bsjgp3hqpr1ltk55f2crp6stj2ftu4hqrn@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:39:42 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <73mfp31oda47bvqpd0uh2g0c8sqes16slm@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:10:18 -0800 (PST), Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Grrl Scientist at www.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist
http://tinyurl.com/2qqnoe
"Since The Scientist is revisiting this issue on their blog, I decided
to poke around in the primary literature a bit and, as a result, I
have concluded that the general lack of female science blog writers is
clearly a reflection of scientific publishing and indeed, of the
scientific community in general. The fact is that female scientists do
not publish as often as male scientists. Why? Some people have told me
that women do not produce scientific results that are of the same high
quality as those produced by men (nor do they write life science blogs
as well as men, apparently) and that male reviewers can readily
recognize when a woman is the lead (or sole) author of a scientific
paper because "women do science differently from men" (whatever that
means). Basically, science is still a very sexist community where its
female practitioners publish less frequently than men at least
partially because of the peer-review system that is in place. I think
the commonly used single-blind peer review process is biased against
papers whose lead (or sole) author is female, just as the field of
science is biased against women in general."
Budikka
And...
Study reveals sex bias in science
18 January 2008
New Scientist
"If you thought the glass ceiling for female scientists had been
shattered, think again. Women are more likely to have their research
published if the referees who peer review their work are unaware of
their gender, a new study suggests.
It has long been suspected that "single-blind" peer review - in which
reviewers know a researcher's identity but not vice versa - can lead
to bias. Gender, nationality and nepotism have also been identified as
biasing factors in the application process for research fellowships.
Some suggest that double-blind peer review, in which neither side
knows the other's identity, would be a fairer system. To find out if
this is true, Amber Budden at the University of Toronto in Canada and
her colleagues looked at the gender of the authors of papers accepted
by Behavioural Ecology before and after it switched to double-blind
peer review in 2001.
In the four years following the switch, 8 per cent more female authors
had papers published compared to the previous four years (Trends in
Ecology and Evolution, DOI: 10.1016/j.tree.2007.07.008). While Budden
accepts that there may be other explanations, she believes the
findings should provoke wider discussion about the advantages of
double-blind peer review.
"There is no reason why all journals should not move to double-blind
peer review," adds Terry Marsh of UK lobbying group Women into
Science, Engineering and Construction." "
I agree. There is no place for bias in science.
Perhaps. Apart from magnetic material research, or fabric technology.
Well, OK. Although I didn't know that magnets and textiles had opinions.
:-)
Oh, you know what I meant, you scallywag!
For shame! I never wag my scally! At least not in public.
--
John #1782
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