On 21 Aug 2003 10:19:32 -0700,

The Bible from cover to cover is a story of Jesus Christ, old
testament and new.

*****. The OT never mentions your Jesus myth.

There are so many instances of this it is very
exciting. The Gospels (or good news) was given by four different
writers.....Why?

Each one contradicts the other 3. Why?

bobcrowley@optusnet.com.au (Bob Crowley) wrote in message
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David wrote:

That doesn't help any since
this god still needed to see his son tortured in order to
forgive us. Why not just forgive?

Why not just forgive?

This all knowing deity made his first mistake when he gave us free
will. Wouldn'tcha know it, right from the start, man is
misbehaving. So god tries threats of eternal damnation, hell fire,
brimstone and so forth, yet man still misbehaves.
Thus, god is forced to try another strategy: the guilt trip. My son
suffered and died for your sins...please obey me!

Forgiveness is the face saving cover up of a god that really
botched the creation of heaven and earth.
Sort of like the cat the looks at you with that "I meant to do
that!" expression after slipping into the bubblebath.

We, Man, with a capital M, are the guilty party who kill each other
in war, enslave each other in concentration camps, poison each other
with poison gases, spend many times the amount on military force than
we do on helping each other, destroy the environment and waste
resources.

For this we have nobody but ourselves to blame. Blaming God is is
like Saddam Hussein blaming his overwhelmed commanders for his own
stupidity. He made his bed, and he has to lie on it. Man makes
these stupid mistakes and deliberate incidents of evil, and he has to
live with it.

Now if God is a judge who is going to hold each and every one of us
accountable for our actions, then we must all face a sentence of some
sort. At the same time God can only truly experience the human
problem by becoming human. The only way David could experience the
pain a llama might feel, but be unable to express by virtue of it's
being a llama, would be to become one for a season. Then of course
he would have to face the same fate as other llamas - being shorn
occasionally, left in the cold all night, and probably sent to the
abattoir when the time was up.

Some of the Bible stories are lengthy parables, eg. Jonah. Others
illustrate a truth in story form. So what? Memorising the planets
from the sun outwards can be told as a nonsense sentence - "My very
elderly mother just sat up near pluto."

In other words, why are the stories there? They illustrate a truth
or truths, which could no doubt be explained in legal or scientific
terms if need be, but they would then be exceedingly dull. I know
which reading I prefer - a novel or a scientific paper.

Bob Crowley.

My dear friends....

Let me start by saying WOW.....I see such anger and contempt for
Christianity, or even the notion of God. My view on the Bible is
simple, it is the perfect true word of God himself inspired and
written from the hearts of those he anointed to record his love for
mankind. You see, an understanding of the scriptures cannot come from
a mear excerpt or short study. Learning to interperet the scriptures
is a lifelong commitment.

To try to make sense out of a whole story without knowing other
passages is almost a waste of time. Not to say that there are no
messages within it (the Bible) that can be aquired by reading a few
words. But if you are jaded and your heart is hardened to even
receive the truth before you begin to read, then of course it may seem
like foolishness to the unbeliever.

The Bible from cover to cover is a story of Jesus Christ, old
testament and new. There are so many instances of this it is very
exciting. The Gospels (or good news) was given by four different
writers.....Why?

Jesus came into the world to reconcile first, his people, the Jews.
So we have the Gospel of Matthew, written by a Jewish tax collector.
I mean a Tax collector! That was the most hated type of person their
was in that day. But Matthew was converted, gave up his profession,
and followed Jesus.

Next you have the Gospel of Mark. Mark was written to minister the
Roman, fast paced and to the point. Some call the Gospel of Mark, the
turbo-charged Gospel. But you see God knows what we all need.

Next you have the Gospel of Luke. Luke was a doctor, he traveled with
Paul the apostle. Luke was written for the Greek, analitical and
descriptive. Luke is structured almost like a term paper. The Greeks
prided themselves on their science and philosophies.

And last, but certainly not least..

You have the Gospel of John. The book of love. John was written to
the Gentiles....Us. Moreover, it is suggested that new believers who
have given themselves to Christ, should first read John.

These are an example from the new testament of how God is reaching out
to minister to us any way he can, by using people who have walked in
our ways, and now turned from their sins...Not to be perfect, just
accepting the sacrifice that was given for us.


Here is just one example of the many of how the gospel of the coming
of Jesus is encoded into the old testament.

The geneology of Noah speaks of the coming of Christ and mans
redemption. The meaning of each name in Hebrew speaks a very special
message. I was so excited to learn of this.....

From Adam to Noah

1. Adam - means: Man
2. Seth - means: Appointed
3. Enosh - means: Frail, weak, mortal
4. Kenan - means: Despairing
5. Mahalalel - means: The Blessed God
6. Jared - means: Shall come down, or to come down
7. Enoch - To teach or to make aware
8. Methuselah - means: His death shall bring
9. Lamech - means: Lamentation or anguish or affliced
10. Noah - means: Comfortor or Comfort

What does all of this read as? Man was appointed by sin to be mortal
and die, despairing. But, the Blessed God shall come down and teach,
that his death shall bring the afflicted comfort.

Just from the mear understanding of what each Hebrew name means we see
the Gospel of Jesus Christ. From father and son to father and son. I
found this to be quite amazing.

Look it up for yourself if you doubt. Do your homework. I have.

freatork1@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

According to the story, Adam and Eve have two sons, one of which kills
the other. So there are three people, Adam, Eve, and Cain. The authors
then tell us that Cain "knew" his "wife." Where did SHE come from?
Let's ditch this trash and move on. - Bob.

As the originator of this thread I occasionally repeat this message in
order to hear more flames and curses. I enjoy them. Its always
amusing when a good ....

Everyone should caste their vote for the stupidest Bible story.

The story of Noah gets my vote, not only for its pervasive influence
on creationist theory but because of its utter impossibility as truth.

On 20 Aug 2003 16:07:25 -0700,

According to the story, Adam and Eve have two sons, one of which kills
the other. So there are three people, Adam, Eve, and Cain. The authors
then tell us that Cain "knew" his "wife." Where did SHE come from?
Let's ditch this trash and move on. - Bob.

On 20 Aug 2003 16:07:25 -0700,

According to the story, Adam and Eve have two sons, one of which kills
the other. So there are three people, Adam, Eve, and Cain. The authors
then tell us that Cain "knew" his "wife." Where did SHE come from?
Let's ditch this trash and move on. - Bob.

As the originator of this thread I occasionally repeat this message in
order to hear more flames and curses. I enjoy them. Its always
amusing when a good thread raises the swellings of holy hemorrhoids
and threats of hell..

Everyone should caste their vote for the stupidest Bible story.