I really HAVE to take a crack at this one...


On 29-Apr-2004, "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote:

"Slavery itself...is not at all contrary to the natural and divine
law....For
the sort of ownership which a slave owner has over a slave is understood
as
nothing other than the perpetual right of disposing of the work of a

for one's own benefit -- services which it is right for one human being

provide for another....The purchaser should carefully examine whether

slave who is put up for sale has been justly or unjustly deprived of his
liberty, and that the vendor should do nothing which might endanger the
life,
virtue, or Catholic faith of the slave."

Well, well, well. You did find something. That means you're right, the
Church does condone slavery. However, what is being discussed here is
indentured servitude. An ancient/medievel remedy for insoluable debts;
entered into by the agreement of both parties. The debtor would be
virtually; a slave; but well cared for, as you can read in the quote

until his debt was discharged. Nowadays we have bankruptcy. It's Biblical,
see Exodus 21:1-11; and Deut. 15:12-18 (There's some more evil Bible

for you!)

Now, slavery in it's classical form, people being abducted against their
will and bought and sold like merchandise; is a strict no-no. Still don't
believe? Then, let's hear it from the 'horse's mouth.'

"...the colonists have deprived the natives of their property or turned it
to their own use, and have subjected some of the inhabitants to perpetual
slavery, sold them to other persons and committed other various illicit

evil deeds against them... Therefore We exhort, ... one and all... among

Christian faithful... that they themselves desist from the aforementioned
deeds, cause those subject to them to desist from them, and restrain them
rigorously.And no less to We order and command all and each of the

of each sex that, within the space of fifteen days of the publication of
these letters in the place where they live, that they restore to their
earlier liberty all and each person of either sex who were once residents

said islands... who have been made subject to slavery. These people are to
be totally and perpetually freeand are to be let go without the extraction
of any money. If this is not done, when the fifteen days have passed, they
incur the sentence of excommunication ipso facto."
Pope Eugene IV
Sicut Dudum
1435

"We define and declare by these Our letters, or by any translation
thereof... the said Indians and all other people who may later be

by Christians, are by no means deprived of their liberty or the possession
of their property, even though they may be outside the faith of Jesus
Christ; and that they may and should, freely and legitimately, enjoy their
liberty and the possession of their property; nor should they be in any

enslaved."

Pope Paul III
Sublimis Deus
1537

"...Those incur this penalty (excommunication) who reduce said Indians to
slavery, sel lthem, buy them, exchange them or give them away, seperate

from their wives and children, despoil them of their property and goods,
lead or transmit them to other places, or in any manner deprive them of
liberty to retain them in servitude; as well as those who offer counsel,

or favor to those who do such things."

Pope Benedict XIV
Immensa Pastorum
1741

You really need to crack open a history book or two. Hitler was a
Christian
and raised as a Catholic. He was NEVER excommunicated from the Catholic
church. It's funny how Christians like you will claim that they are not
supposed to bear false witness yet their leaders lie all the time.
Clearly
they know that Hitler was a Christian, and still they lie and say that

was an atheist. See http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

Yes, Hiltler was a Catholic; Mao started out as a Buddhist, Lenin and

were Jews. They all converted to atheism.

Excommunicating Hitler would be kind of like kicking Bill Clinton out of

Boy Scouts. Pointless,...

plus Pius XII was afraid of provoking him to further
atrocities. A letter written by a Catholic bishop in occupied Holland
protesting the treatment of Jews in that country was sent to the German
governer; the result was intensified persecution; and 3000 Catholics being
rounded up and sent to the death camps. A delicate situation it was.
For a healthy dose of the truth regarding the Church and Hitler, visit:
http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/framemain.htm

Osama Bin Laden also thinks he is using the Bible in its proper context
when
it says to kill nonbelievers. He is a brain dead murderer, but you are
just
brain dead.

Osama Ibn Laden is a Muslim (or so he claims), he follows the Qu'ran, the
holy text of Islam, not the Bible.

Hey, here's an idea, maybe you should have a daily "Evil Qu'ran quote"

On 29-Apr-2004, "David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote:

Speaking strictly as a Catholic, I have to say that
the Church has never condoned, and has always
condemned slavery and segregation.

Then you'd better read up on the history of your
church.

Uhh... I'm well read on it, but I can't seem to recall
any Papal encyclicals, bulls, documents or anything of
the sort that officially condones slavery. There's plenty
that condemn it...

Genocide, murder? Let's look at the bloodiest
atrocities in Human history. WWII, the holocaust,

Entirely supported by the Catholic church. They even
got 10% of the German income tax revenues.

Huh? Is there some other Catholic Church that I'm not
aware of?

.... The Inquisition, (now there's something that's
gotten blown out of proportion over the years!)...

Only if you need to lie about it.

Lie about it? How about we start a thread on the
inquisitions. Did you that there was more than a few?

Thou shall not steal, kill, bear false witness, so on
and so forth.

Those are found in most cultures, even ones formed long
before your religion was invented.

There wasn't a whole lot that existed before Moses...

I see an atheist/secular society as being incapable
of discerning right and wrong,..

Then you are blind.

What is truth? ...

Apparently you haven't figured it out yet

Well, I remain open minded