Religions > Atheism > Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12 (God Admits He Did Evil Things)
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"Editor of EvilBible.com" |
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12 Feb 2004 06:23:10 AM |
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Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12 (God Admits He Did Evil Things) |
Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
God Admits He Did Evil Things (Jeremiah 42:9-10 NAB)
[The prophet Jeremiah speaking] "Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel,
to whom you sent me to offer your prayer: If you remain quietly in this land
I will build you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not uproot
you; for I regret the evil I have done you."
What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book of
myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and plunder?
Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12 (God Admits He Did EvilThings) |
12 Feb 2004 09:15:35 AM |
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"Editor of EvilBible.com" wrote:
Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
God Admits He Did Evil Things (Jeremiah 42:9-10 NAB)
[The prophet Jeremiah speaking] "Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel,
to whom you sent me to offer your prayer: If you remain quietly in this land
I will build you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not uproot
you; for I regret the evil I have done you."
What troubles me about so many of your "evil" quotes is your simplistic
interpretation of the ancient texts. For example, take your favorite
word "evil." Kenneth Grayston, a tutor in New Testament Language and
Literature, Didsbury College, Bristol, England, explained the biblical
use of the word (evil) as follows: "The Hebrew term ra' [evil] conveys
the factual judgement that something is bad (e.g. figs, cattle),
displeasing (e.g. a woman in the eyes of her husband), or harmful (e.g.
wild beasts, poisonous herbs, disease). Quite generally it means
anything that causes pain, unhappiness, or misery, including the
discipline of punishment sent by God [e.g. your quote above 'the evil I
have done you']. The context must determine the exact meaning; thus a
man whose heart is evil may be either sorrowful or vicious. When God
says: 'I make peace and create evil' (Isa 45.7; cf. Job 2.10), what is
meant is that he is the author of both prosperity and adversity. The
knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2.9, etc.) does not imply the ability
to make moral distinctions, but that perception of what is beneficial or
harmful which cannot be expected of childish inexperience (cf. Isa.
7.15f)." Further he says, "the development of a moral connotation is
very natural; a harmful action, as viewed by the injured party, is a
wicked one."
And that's just for starters. If you want to make honest and truly
accurate accusations of "evil Bible" quotes, you will have to do a lot
more research instead of simply jumping to conclusions based on western
culture and language. In short, you will have to become a biblical
scholar, which obviously is not the case.
methodios (Denny)
What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book of
myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and plunder?
Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12 (God Admits He Did Evil Things) |
12 Feb 2004 10:58:41 AM |
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"dgillesp" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:402B9897.6EE3F2DC@pemtel.net...
"Editor of EvilBible.com" wrote:
Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
God Admits He Did Evil Things (Jeremiah 42:9-10 NAB)
[The prophet Jeremiah speaking] "Thus says the Lord, the God of
Israel,
to whom you sent me to offer your prayer: If you remain quietly in this
land
I will build you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not uproot
you; for I regret the evil I have done you."
What troubles me about so many of your "evil" quotes is your simplistic
interpretation of the ancient texts. For example, take your favorite
word "evil." Kenneth Grayston, a tutor in New Testament Language and
Literature, Didsbury College, Bristol, England, explained the biblical
use of the word (evil) as follows:
Why didn't Yahweh make himself clear to begin with?
Why doesn't he clarify things himself now?
Where did he designate Kenneth Grayston as
his interpreter?
"The Hebrew term ra' [evil] conveys
the factual judgement that something is bad (e.g. figs, cattle),
displeasing (e.g. a woman in the eyes of her husband), or harmful (e.g.
wild beasts, poisonous herbs, disease). Quite generally it means
anything that causes pain, unhappiness, or misery, including the
discipline of punishment sent by God [e.g. your quote above 'the evil I
have done you']. The context must determine the exact meaning; thus a
man whose heart is evil may be either sorrowful or vicious. When God
says: 'I make peace and create evil' (Isa 45.7; cf. Job 2.10), what is
meant is that he is the author of both prosperity and adversity. The
knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2.9, etc.) does not imply the ability
to make moral distinctions, but that perception of what is beneficial or
harmful which cannot be expected of childish inexperience (cf. Isa.
7.15f)." Further he says, "the development of a moral connotation is
very natural; a harmful action, as viewed by the injured party, is a
wicked one."
And that's just for starters. If you want to make honest and truly
accurate accusations of "evil Bible" quotes, you will have to do a lot
more research instead of simply jumping to conclusions based on western
culture and language. In short, you will have to become a biblical
scholar, which obviously is not the case.
Editor is a bible scholar. You just disagree with
his observations.
methodios (Denny)
What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book
of
myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and
plunder?
Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
--
Ron Baker
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12 (God Admits He Did Evil Things) |
12 Feb 2004 12:31:54 PM |
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"dgillesp" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:402B9897.6EE3F2DC@pemtel.net...
"Editor of EvilBible.com" wrote:
Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
God Admits He Did Evil Things (Jeremiah 42:9-10 NAB)
[The prophet Jeremiah speaking] "Thus says the Lord, the God of
Israel,
to whom you sent me to offer your prayer: If you remain quietly in this
land
I will build you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not uproot
you; for I regret the evil I have done you."
What troubles me about so many of your "evil" quotes is your simplistic
interpretation of the ancient texts. For example, take your favorite
word "evil." Kenneth Grayston, a tutor in New Testament Language and
Literature, Didsbury College, Bristol, England, explained the biblical
use of the word (evil) as follows: "The Hebrew term ra' [evil] conveys
the factual judgement that something is bad (e.g. figs, cattle),
displeasing (e.g. a woman in the eyes of her husband), or harmful (e.g.
wild beasts, poisonous herbs, disease). Quite generally it means
anything that causes pain, unhappiness, or misery, including the
discipline of punishment sent by God [e.g. your quote above 'the evil I
have done you']. The context must determine the exact meaning; thus a
man whose heart is evil may be either sorrowful or vicious. When God
says: 'I make peace and create evil' (Isa 45.7; cf. Job 2.10), what is
meant is that he is the author of both prosperity and adversity. The
knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2.9, etc.) does not imply the ability
to make moral distinctions, but that perception of what is beneficial or
harmful which cannot be expected of childish inexperience (cf. Isa.
7.15f)." Further he says, "the development of a moral connotation is
very natural; a harmful action, as viewed by the injured party, is a
wicked one."
And that's just for starters. If you want to make honest and truly
accurate accusations of "evil Bible" quotes, you will have to do a lot
more research instead of simply jumping to conclusions based on western
culture and language. In short, you will have to become a biblical
scholar, which obviously is not the case.
Are you suggesting that all biblical scholars agree on these sorts of fine
points, because that would imply that these "scholars" know what the bible
really says, and thus which sect of Christianity is the correct one. Do
these scholars in fact insist that one sect is right, say the Baptists for
instance, and all the others are wrong?
If not, then surely evilbible's interpretations are no less valid than the
biblical scholar's.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Editor of EvilBible.com" |
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12 Feb 2004 04:40:48 PM |
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"dgillesp" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:402B9897.6EE3F2DC@pemtel.net...
"Editor of EvilBible.com" wrote:
Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
God Admits He Did Evil Things (Jeremiah 42:9-10 NAB)
[The prophet Jeremiah speaking] "Thus says the Lord, the God of
Israel,
to whom you sent me to offer your prayer: If you remain quietly in this
land
I will build you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not uproot
you; for I regret the evil I have done you."
What troubles me about so many of your "evil" quotes is your simplistic
interpretation of the ancient texts. For example, take your favorite
word "evil." Kenneth Grayston, a tutor in New Testament Language and
Literature, Didsbury College, Bristol, England, explained the biblical
use of the word (evil) as follows: "The Hebrew term ra' [evil] conveys
the factual judgement that something is bad (e.g. figs, cattle),
displeasing (e.g. a woman in the eyes of her husband), or harmful (e.g.
wild beasts, poisonous herbs, disease). Quite generally it means
anything that causes pain, unhappiness, or misery, including the
discipline of punishment sent by God [e.g. your quote above 'the evil I
have done you']. The context must determine the exact meaning; thus a
man whose heart is evil may be either sorrowful or vicious. When God
says: 'I make peace and create evil' (Isa 45.7; cf. Job 2.10), what is
meant is that he is the author of both prosperity and adversity. The
knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2.9, etc.) does not imply the ability
to make moral distinctions, but that perception of what is beneficial or
harmful which cannot be expected of childish inexperience (cf. Isa.
7.15f)." Further he says, "the development of a moral connotation is
very natural; a harmful action, as viewed by the injured party, is a
wicked one."
And that's just for starters. If you want to make honest and truly
accurate accusations of "evil Bible" quotes, you will have to do a lot
more research instead of simply jumping to conclusions based on western
culture and language. In short, you will have to become a biblical
scholar, which obviously is not the case.
Even if we were to accept your claim that "evil" means "anything that causes
pain, unhappiness, or misery", you still haven't explained why God has
regretted causing this pain. If someone has regrets about something, as it
says in the quote, that implies that it is immoral.
And why would an all-knowing God ever have regrets about something? If he
is all-knowing there is no new knowledge that he could ever obtain. God
would know everything about the past, present, and future. He would know
all the facts of the case at any time. There is no logical reason why an
all-knowing God would ever change his mind or regret something.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12 (God Admits He Did Evil Things) |
12 Feb 2004 04:09:31 PM |
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And so upon Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:15:35 -0500 didst dgillesp speak thusly:
Kenneth Grayston, a tutor in New Testament Language and
Literature, Didsbury College, Bristol, England, explained
Or that's just *****.
I don't know about this specific one but I've seen a *lot of equivocation
and game playing going on in "apologetics." So why should anybody care you
found somebody to explain away the implications of the verse? I doubt
there's any part of the bible that doesn't have somebody explaining away
something...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "William" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12 (God Admits He Did Evil Things) |
12 Feb 2004 12:36:18 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:15:35 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net>
wrote:
"Editor of EvilBible.com" wrote:
Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
God Admits He Did Evil Things (Jeremiah 42:9-10 NAB)
[The prophet Jeremiah speaking] "Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel,
to whom you sent me to offer your prayer: If you remain quietly in this land
I will build you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not uproot
you; for I regret the evil I have done you."
What troubles me about so many of your "evil" quotes is your simplistic
interpretation of the ancient texts. For example, take your favorite
word "evil." Kenneth Grayston, a tutor in New Testament Language and
Literature, Didsbury College, Bristol, England, explained the biblical
use of the word (evil) as follows:
[snip
And that's just for starters. If you want to make honest and truly
accurate accusations of "evil Bible" quotes, you will have to do a lot
more research instead of simply jumping to conclusions based on western
culture and language. In short, you will have to become a biblical
scholar, which obviously is not the case.
Teams of the worlds top scholars who translated the KJV, the RSV and
other leading versions of the bible carefully and expertly chose the
word 'evil' to convey the best Hebrew meaning in the above passage.
Kenny Grayston from an unknown college chose a different word.
Guess who is not the biblical scholar.
William
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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13 Feb 2004 02:17:19 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:15:35 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net>
wrote:
What troubles me about so many of your "evil" quotes is your simplistic
interpretation of the ancient texts. For example, take your favorite
The bible isn't open to interpretation. It's the word of god,
remember? Heathen!
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Feb. 12 (God Admits He Did EvilThings) |
12 Feb 2004 02:20:19 PM |
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dgillesp wrote:
"Editor of EvilBible.com" wrote:
[The prophet Jeremiah speaking] "Thus says the Lord,
the God of Israel, to whom you sent me to offer your
prayer: If you remain quietly in this land I will build
you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not
uproot you; for I regret the evil I have done you."
What troubles me about so many of your "evil" quotes is
your simplistic interpretation of the ancient texts.
That's funny. If the bible doesn't say what you want it to
the interpretation is "simplistic." Maybe if you were a bit
more honest you would be able to see the bible for what it
is - a myth.
--
David V.
Yosemite Llama Ranch
UDP for WebTV
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