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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Editor of EvilBible.com"
Date:	05 Jan 2004 06:54:02 PM
Object:	Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)

Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
Towns Murdered (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)
The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that the
Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked the
Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of Israel
made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we
will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request and
gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely destroyed
them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.
What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book of
myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and plunder?
Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
.

User: "Bup"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	05 Jan 2004 07:15:03 PM

"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
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| Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
|
| Towns Murdered (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)
|
| The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that the
| Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked the
| Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of Israel
| made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we
| will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request
and
| gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
destroyed
| them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.
|
|
| What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book of
| myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and plunder?
|
| Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
|
|
|
I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as they
are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um, the
Gospel message?
Bup
.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	05 Jan 2004 07:26:32 PM

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
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Israel

| made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we
| will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request
and
| gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
destroyed
| them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.
|
|
| What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book

| myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and

plunder?

|
| Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as they
are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um, the
Gospel message?

Isn't the NT God supposed to be the same as the OT God?
And Jesus himself says to obey all the OT laws.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have
come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and
earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will
pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part
of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
.

User: "Bup"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 05:35:05 PM

"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
| news:r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
| > "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
| > news:KGnKb.5726$uF6.1731749@news1.news.adelphia.net...
| > | Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
| > |
| > | Towns Murdered (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)
| > |
| > | The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that the
| > | Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked
the
| > | Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of
| Israel
| > | made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people,
we
| > | will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their
request
| > and
| > | gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
| > destroyed
| > | them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.
| > |
| > |
| > | What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient
book
| of
| > | myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and
| plunder?
| > |
| > | Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
| >
| > I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as
they
| > are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um,
the
| > Gospel message?
|
| Isn't the NT God supposed to be the same as the OT God?
|
| And Jesus himself says to obey all the OT laws.
|
| "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have
| come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and
| earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter
will
| pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
|
| "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part
| of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
|
|
Look at the world: the goings on e.g. the slaughter - genocide - that went
on in Rwanda in 1994. Doesn't the OT depict a similar world? Slaughters and
killings, generally a bloodfest.
Manifestly, the 'Law' is accurate. We fall short of that 'Law' and the
result is all manner of death and evil. That 'Law' holds the world in its
grip. But the Gospel message is that you can leave that world, spiritually
through Jesus. He is life not death - His 'Law' is the law of love. Love
your neighbour, do good to those who hate you. The letter will kill you, the
spirit will be life for you. Jesus wants us to follow His way and His 'Law'
is not the old covenant way where we avenge, where we take life for life.
Sure, you will find plenty of Christians who don't understand that or are at
a variety of stages of learning that. For instance many American Christians
of the Bible-thumping variety pretty much still live by the OT law of an eye
for an eye, a life for a life. But if you want to know the truth then you
must leave that world of hate, legalism, revenge, execution and death and
live in the light of forgiveness.
There's not much I can say. People who truly want to live in love and
forgiveness often don't get this world's accolades. As you know they bear
the brunt of a lot of hatred and blame. I don't care what you think -
you've made it clear you don't think much of Catholics - but I'm going to
try to live a life in the Spirit anyway.
Bup
.

User: "Denis Loubet"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 08:52:05 PM

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
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the

| > | Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked
the
| > | Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of
| Israel
| > | made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these

people,

we
| > | will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their
request
| > and
| > | gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
| > destroyed
| > | them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever

since.

| > |
| > |
| > | What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient
book
| of
| > | myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and
| plunder?
| > |
| > | Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
| >
| > I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as
they
| > are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um,
the
| > Gospel message?
|
| Isn't the NT God supposed to be the same as the OT God?
|
| And Jesus himself says to obey all the OT laws.
|
| "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I

have

| come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven

and

| earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter
will
| pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17

NAB)

|
| "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest

part

| of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
|
|

Look at the world: the goings on e.g. the slaughter - genocide - that went
on in Rwanda in 1994. Doesn't the OT depict a similar world? Slaughters

and

killings, generally a bloodfest.

Manifestly, the 'Law' is accurate. We fall short of that 'Law' and the
result is all manner of death and evil.

Dude, we're not talking about what people do ordinarily, we're talking about
what people do at the supposed orders of their god character. Yes, it's a
slaughter and bloodfest, but the bible clearly describes the god character
commanding the slaughter, and personally participating in the bloodfest. The
OT doesn't just depict a brutal world as you are dishonestly trying to
suggest, the god character is clearly depicted as ENFORCING the world to be
brutal.
And you worship that god character.

That 'Law' holds the world in its
grip. But the Gospel message is that you can leave that world, spiritually
through Jesus. He is life not death - His 'Law' is the law of love. Love
your neighbour, do good to those who hate you. The letter will kill you,

the

spirit will be life for you. Jesus wants us to follow His way and His

'Law'

is not the old covenant way where we avenge, where we take life for life.

Yet the Jesus saga is all about ritual human torture and sacrifice. Murder,
suffering, and blood. And for what? Why, for your personal benefit.
Yeah, yeah, the Jesus character supposedly died for us, but somehow he's not
dead. He supposedly sacrificed everything, but somehow he's also king of the
universe. We're well aware of the mind-numbing contradictions involved in
your fable. I'm sure the Aztecs had great excuses for their sacrifices too,
but at least they didn't try to fool themselves into thinking they weren't
bloodthirsty.

Sure, you will find plenty of Christians who don't understand that or are

a variety of stages of learning that. For instance many American

Christians

of the Bible-thumping variety pretty much still live by the OT law of an

eye

for an eye, a life for a life. But if you want to know the truth then you
must leave that world of hate, legalism, revenge, execution and death and
live in the light of forgiveness.

Ah, so you're another "true" Christian. We get so many in here that spout
contradictory crap. Can you think of a reason we should agree that your
interpretation of the bible is more true than the Bible-thumping variety? Is
there a test that would offer objective evidence that you're right and
they're wrong?
Can you even imagine being wrong?

There's not much I can say. People who truly want to live in love and
forgiveness often don't get this world's accolades. As you know they bear
the brunt of a lot of hatred and blame.

Yes, us atheists are often trodden upon. We're one of the few remaining
minorities that can be safely insulted in public. I strive for a better
world, one not steeped in ignorance and irrationality, but I'm met with no
accolades from the theistic majority.

I don't care what you think -
you've made it clear you don't think much of Catholics - but I'm going to
try to live a life in the Spirit anyway.

That's because you believe you cannot be wrong.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 07:49:03 PM

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
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the

people,

since.

have

| come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven

and

| earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter
will
| pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17

NAB)

|
| "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest

part

and

killings, generally a bloodfest.

"The History of WW2" also depicts a bloodfest. That adds absolutely nothing
to our current discussion.
I see you didn't answer the question: "Isn't the NT God supposed to be the
same as the OT God?" Are you afraid of the answer? Please answer it.

Manifestly, the 'Law' is accurate. We fall short of that 'Law' and the
result is all manner of death and evil. That 'Law' holds the world in its
grip. But the Gospel message is that you can leave that world, spiritually
through Jesus. He is life not death - His 'Law' is the law of love. Love
your neighbour, do good to those who hate you. The letter will kill you,

the

spirit will be life for you. Jesus wants us to follow His way and His

'Law'

is not the old covenant way where we avenge, where we take life for life.

The Jesus quotes above clearly refer to the Old Testament laws. They don't
refer to "love your neighbor".
.

User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 05:56:36 PM

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
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the

people,

since.

have

| come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven

and

| earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter
will
| pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17

NAB)

|
| "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest

part

and

killings, generally a bloodfest.

So, just to make certain we're all on the same page:
First Bup whined about OT vs NT passages as posted by Editor, with
references to the Torah. When that was shown to be a pathetic attempt at
diverting attention, he then tries to justify the slaughter not once, but
TWICE.
Now he (Bup) is trying to simply chant the usual mantra of
"God-is-love-and-we-just-don't-undertand(tm)," all the while moving further
away from the subject of: God(tm) is a murderous piece of *****.
Sorry Bup, but you worship a bloodthirsty piece of garbage that, even if
real, wouldn't be worth the sweat on my nuts.
<SNIP REST -irrelevant, inaccurate nonsense
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
.

User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	05 Jan 2004 07:25:02 PM

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
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Israel

| myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and

plunder?

|
| Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
|
|
|

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as they
are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um, the
Gospel message?

Bup

Your point?
You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
*****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an imaginary
Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a murderous piece of
*****.
And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message for
you:
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and
wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he
cannot be my disciple.
Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
.

User: "Bup"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	05 Jan 2004 07:34:06 PM

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
| news:r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
| > "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
| > news:KGnKb.5726$uF6.1731749@news1.news.adelphia.net...
| > | Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:
| > |
| > | Towns Murdered (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)
| > |
| > | The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that the
| > | Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked
the
| > | Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of
| Israel
| > | made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people,
we
| > | will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their
request
| > and
| > | gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
| > destroyed
| > | them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.
| > |
| > |
| > | What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient
book
| of
| > | myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and
| plunder?
| > |
| > | Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| > I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as
they
| > are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um,
the
| > Gospel message?
| >
| > Bup
|
| Your point?
|
| You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
| *****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an
imaginary
| Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a murderous piece
of
| *****.
|
| And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message for
| you:
|
| Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and
| wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also,
he
| cannot be my disciple.
|
| Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.
|
| -Donald in Austin
| AA #2104
| Apatriot #22
| Atheist FF/EMT
| ....and ordained minister
|
|
Wow, a single quote out of context. That one had to be read with
understanding i.e. that God must come first in one's heart. If one clings to
family, self-statisfaction and worldly concerns and ignore God, one is not
truly following Jesus. The passage is not talking about viciousness.
My point still stands, he rarely quotes from the NT - no doubt because he is
deliberately avoiding the Gospel message.
Bup
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 12:42:23 PM

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Bup:

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
| news:r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
| > "Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
| > news:KGnKb.5726$uF6.1731749@news1.news.adelphia.net...
| > | Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5, 2004 from
| > | www.EvilBible.com:
| > |
| > | Towns Murdered (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)
| > |
| > | The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that
| > | the
| > | Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he
| > | attacked
the
| > | Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of
| Israel
| > | made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these
| > | people,
we
| > | will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their
request
| > and
| > | gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
| > destroyed
| > | them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever
| > | since.
| > |
| > |
| > | What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient
book
| of
| > | myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and
| plunder?
| > |
| > | Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| > I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as
they
| > are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like,
| > um,
the
| > Gospel message?
| >
| > Bup
|
| Your point?
|
| You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
| *****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an
imaginary
| Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a murderous
| piece
of
| *****.
|
| And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message
| for you:
|
| Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,
| and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
| life also,
he
| cannot be my disciple.
|
| Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.
|
| -Donald in Austin
| AA #2104
| Apatriot #22
| Atheist FF/EMT
| ....and ordained minister
|
|

Wow, a single quote out of context. That one had to be read with
understanding i.e. that God must come first in one's heart. If one
clings to family, self-statisfaction and worldly concerns and ignore
God, one is not truly following Jesus. The passage is not talking about
viciousness.

My point still stands, he rarely quotes from the NT - no doubt because
he is deliberately avoiding the Gospel message.

Uh-huh. Out of context. What do you think the next verse is? "Just
kidding"?
The most important aspect of human society is the nuclear family. If one
must throw those values out the window to appease the god thingy, how can
you not view THAT as self-satisfaction?
The concept of salvation is one of the most arrogant, self-centered
concepts imaginable. Jesus is regarded as your personal savior. He
removes your fear of death, replacing it with hope of a warm, fuzzy
afterlife. You people are even willing to march off into war, perhaps to
get killed, under the guise of serving your country - when in fact you are
only doing it out of fear of consequences, and confidence that *your* soul
will be saved. Religion is the most self-satisfying concept on earth.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
______________
The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
.

User: "melikamp"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 04:23:25 PM

Vic Sagerquist wrote:

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Bup:

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message

<snip>

|
| You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
| *****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an
imaginary
| Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a murderous
| piece
of
| *****.
|
| And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message
| for you:
|
| Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,
| and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
| life also,
he
| cannot be my disciple.
|
| Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.
|
| -Donald in Austin
| AA #2104
| Apatriot #22
| Atheist FF/EMT
| ....and ordained minister
|
|

Wow, a single quote out of context. That one had to be read with
understanding i.e. that God must come first in one's heart. If one
clings to family, self-statisfaction and worldly concerns and ignore
God, one is not truly following Jesus. The passage is not talking about
viciousness.

My point still stands, he rarely quotes from the NT - no doubt because
he is deliberately avoiding the Gospel message.

Uh-huh. Out of context. What do you think the next verse is? "Just
kidding"?

No, but somehow in the rest of Luke the same Jesus commends loving
even your enemies, and that is the context you seem to be missing.

The most important aspect of human society is the nuclear family.

Jews in that period did not have a concept of nuc'ular family;
rather, a much larger clan, with all the generations & relations,
was considered a family, and often lived packed closely together,
even under the same roof.

If one
must throw those values out the window to appease the god thingy, how can
you not view THAT as self-satisfaction?

NT writers seem to be convinced that people should be loved equally,
that everyone has the same intrinsic value (or, using their lingo, is
just as dear to God) regardless of how they are related to you,
or how Jewish they are. Jesus had to be very hyperbolic in this verse
because he wanted to contrast the exclusive treatment of one's
bloodline with doing what he taught: loving everyone, just because
they are human.

The concept of salvation is one of the most arrogant, self-centered
concepts imaginable. Jesus is regarded as your personal savior.

It can be argued that "personal salvation" is a much later doctrine.
Notice how church is implied to be the new Israel, how much value
the writers place on gathering of the believers, and how the prayer
starts with "Our father", not "My father". Rather than saving
themselves, Christians were initially charged with "saving the world":
i.e., making it a better place to live for others, through self-denial.

He
removes your fear of death, replacing it with hope of a warm, fuzzy
afterlife. You people are even willing to march off into war, perhaps to
get killed, under the guise of serving your country - when in fact you are
only doing it out of fear of consequences, and confidence that *your* soul
will be saved. Religion is the most self-satisfying concept on earth.

Fear of consequences, and the hope of a personal salvation from them
(duh, because you are God's buddy), are also added later. Compared to what we
have now, afterlife was very little develoved in apocalyptic Judaism;
certanly there was no notion of eternal torment of souls in the early
teaching.
Mel
.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 10:01:27 PM

"melikamp" <jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:wzGKb.302576$_M.1725255@attbi_s54...

Vic Sagerquist wrote:

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Bup:

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
news:O7oKb.68205$xU1.59655@fe1.texas.rr.com...
|
| "Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
| Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,
| and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
| life also,
he
| cannot be my disciple.
|
| Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.

Wow, a single quote out of context. That one had to be read with
understanding i.e. that God must come first in one's heart. If one
clings to family, self-statisfaction and worldly concerns and ignore
God, one is not truly following Jesus. The passage is not talking about
viciousness.

My point still stands, he rarely quotes from the NT - no doubt because
he is deliberately avoiding the Gospel message.

Uh-huh. Out of context. What do you think the next verse is? "Just
kidding"?

No, but somehow in the rest of Luke the same Jesus commends loving
even your enemies, and that is the context you seem to be missing.

Context: 1. The part of a text or statement that *surrounds* a particular
word or passage and determines its meaning. 2. The circumstances in which an
event occurs; a setting.
(The American Heritage Dictionary 4th ed.)
Context: 1 : the parts of a discourse that *surround* a word or passage and
can throw light on its meaning
2 : the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs :
ENVIRONMENT, SETTING
(M-W dictionary)
The "love your enemy" quote is in Luke 6:27. The "hate your family" quote
is in Luke 14:26. Clearly this can not be evidence of my quote being taken
out of context. Actually it is a good example of your pseudo-scientific
B.S. that you claim to be using.
.

User: "BTR1701"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 09:40:14 PM

In article <wzGKb.302576$_M.1725255@attbi_s54>, melikamp
<jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote:

Vic Sagerquist wrote:

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Bup:

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
My point still stands, he rarely quotes from the NT - no doubt because
he is deliberately avoiding the Gospel message.

Uh-huh. Out of context. What do you think the next verse is? "Just
kidding"?

No, but somehow in the rest of Luke the same Jesus commends loving
even your enemies, and that is the context you seem to be missing.

So basically, the bible is self-contradictory. Says one thing in one
place, the opposite in another.
.

User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 10:08:49 PM

"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-D55608.21415206012004@news.west.earthlink.net...

In article <wzGKb.302576$_M.1725255@attbi_s54>, melikamp
<jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote:

Vic Sagerquist wrote:

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Bup:

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message

My point still stands, he rarely quotes from the NT - no doubt because
he is deliberately avoiding the Gospel message.

Uh-huh. Out of context. What do you think the next verse is? "Just
kidding"?

No, but somehow in the rest of Luke the same Jesus commends loving
even your enemies, and that is the context you seem to be missing.

So basically, the bible is self-contradictory. Says one thing in one
place, the opposite in another.

That's why Christians love the Bible so much. They take the parts they like
and say they are from God. The parts they don't like are taken out of
context. I could have just as easily claimed the "hate your family" quote
proves that the "love your enemy" quote is taken out of context.
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 08:46:59 PM

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach melikamp:

Vic Sagerquist wrote:

Uh-huh. Out of context. What do you think the next verse is? "Just
kidding"?

No, but somehow in the rest of Luke the same Jesus commends loving
even your enemies, and that is the context you seem to be missing.

Yup. He wants you to love your enemies, but ignore your family. Where
are his priorities?
Isn't Luke where Jesus calls his critics fools, thus making himself, by
his own standards, worthy of "hell fire"?

The most important aspect of human society is the nuclear family.

Jews in that period did not have a concept of nuc'ular family;

Ahh, you prefer the Dubya pronunciation. Heh.
<snippage>
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
______________
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
.

User: "melikamp"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	07 Jan 2004 12:53:08 AM

Vic Sagerquist wrote:

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach melikamp:

Vic Sagerquist wrote:

Uh-huh. Out of context. What do you think the next verse is? "Just
kidding"?

No, but somehow in the rest of Luke the same Jesus commends loving
even your enemies, and that is the context you seem to be missing.

Yup. He wants you to love your enemies, but ignore your family. Where
are his priorities?

Too bad you snipped the explanation.

Isn't Luke where Jesus calls his critics fools, thus making himself, by
his own standards, worthy of "hell fire"?

We would need a quote to discuss it.

The most important aspect of human society is the nuclear family.

Jews in that period did not have a concept of nuc'ular family;

Ahh, you prefer the Dubya pronunciation. Heh.

No, that's Homer J. Simpson pronunciation. D'oh!
Mel
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	07 Jan 2004 09:26:01 AM

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach melikamp:

Vic Sagerquist wrote:

Isn't Luke where Jesus calls his critics fools, thus making himself, by
his own standards, worthy of "hell fire"?

We would need a quote to discuss it.

Luke 11:40, Matthew 5:22
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
______________
The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
.

User: "Mekkala"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 01:31:55 PM

On 05 Jan 2004, "The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:O7oKb.68205$xU1.59655@fe1.texas.rr.com:

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
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Israel

| made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these
| people, we will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD
| heard their request
and
| gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
destroyed
| them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever
| since.
|
|
| What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient
| book

| myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and

plunder?

|
| Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
|
|
|

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as
they are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something,
like, um, the Gospel message?

Bup

Your point?

You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
*****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an
imaginary Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a
murderous piece of *****.

And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message
for you:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,
and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.

Besides which, last I heard, the OT is part of the Christian Bible too.
Or do you think that since God blood-sacrificed his own son, he's
suddenly a good guy now, all is forgiven? You know, the NT says God is
love, God is omnibenevolent, and says he's *always* been like that. So,
in effect, the NT endorses everything God ever did in the OT. You can't
discount the OT by saying that the NT is more touchy-feely.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
.

User: "Chris C."
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 04:14:44 PM

The other Donald wrote:

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
news:r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

Israel

| myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and

plunder?

Your point?

You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
*****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an imaginary
Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a murderous piece of
*****.

And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message for
you:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and
wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he
cannot be my disciple.

Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.

-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister

Wow what a command of the English language you have, must have taken you
years to learn to talk like that, really show how intelligent you must
be........... :(

User: "CharliePF1"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	09 Jan 2004 08:37:39 AM

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message

Wow what a command of the English language you have, must have taken you
years to learn to talk like that, really show how intelligent you must
be........... :(

He's writing, not talking, you moron!
.

User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 05:18:47 PM

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nrGKb.767183$Fm2.733808@attbi_s04...

The other Donald wrote:

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
news:r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

the

| Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of

Israel

| made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people,

| will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their

request

and
| gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
destroyed
| them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.
|
|
| What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient

book

| myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and

plunder?

|
| Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
|
|
|

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as

they

are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um,

the

Gospel message?

Bup

Your point?

You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
*****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an

imaginary

Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a murderous piece

*****.

And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message

for

you:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,

and

wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life

also, he

cannot be my disciple.

Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.

-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister

Wow what a command of the English language you have,

Fuckin' A right I do. Unlike the Jesus freaks around here, I can easily
identify when a passage in the Bible promotes hatred of the family as I've
shown with Luke 14:26. It is the fundies that are incapable of reading those
words and interpreting them properly. They insist on distorting and
twisting, with one idiot twisting it to the point that he decided that
passage actually meant that everyone hated the disciple-in-training.
must have taken you

years to learn to talk like that, really show how intelligent you must
be........... :(

I see you couldn't argue with the post, so you made your petty,
insignificant remarks directed at.....well, you don't say much in that
department either, so your response has been deemed null, void and
irrelevant.
But since you mentioned it, and would like to begin a flame war, perhaps you
should consider your ineptitude with regard to punctuation and sentence
structure: essentially you suck at it. It's the mentally insignificant
people like you that are incapable of formulating any sort of legitimate or
valid argument, so you whine like a little ***** about profanity.
BTW, fucktard, my wife and I are both members of MENSA. My wife was the
local chaiman of the Austin group for two years when she was in college. I'm
the charming one....
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
.

User: "Chris C."
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 06:02:40 PM

The other Donald wrote:

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nrGKb.767183$Fm2.733808@attbi_s04...

The other Donald wrote:

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
news:r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

the

| Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of

Israel

| made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people,

| will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their

request

book

| myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and

plunder?

|
| Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
|
|
|

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as

they

are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um,

the

Gospel message?

Bup

Your point?

You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
*****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an

imaginary

Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a murderous piece

*****.

And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message

for

you:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,

and

wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life

also, he

cannot be my disciple.

Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.

-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister

Wow what a command of the English language you have,

years to learn to talk like that, really show how intelligent you must
be........... :(

I see you couldn't argue with the post, so you made your petty,
insignificant remarks directed at.....well, you don't say much in that
department either, so your response has been deemed null, void and
irrelevant.

But since you mentioned it, and would like to begin a flame war, perhaps you
should consider your ineptitude with regard to punctuation and sentence
structure: essentially you suck at it. It's the mentally insignificant
people like you that are incapable of formulating any sort of legitimate or
valid argument, so you whine like a little ***** about profanity.

BTW, fucktard (must be one of your new words), my wife and I are both members of MENSA. My wife was the
local chaiman of the Austin group for two years when she was in college. I'm
the charming one.... Very lame Donald

-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister

There you go again, if you would read all of these, you would have seen
I have already added my two pennies. :) But once again all you are
showing is the only level you are able to express yourself (very sad).
A little hint I would not brag about it! :)
I did not think this was a forum for us to express our punctuation and
sentence skills ? If I remember right, its a place for Roman Catholics
to have discussions not a place we should have to put up with the likes
of you..... :) Have a nice night Donald, I will pray for you also!
Chris
.

User: "CharliePF1"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	09 Jan 2004 08:44:58 AM

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message

A little hint I would not brag about it! :)

Do you know how to construct a recognizable sentence?

I did not think this was a forum for us to express our punctuation and
sentence skills?

It seems obvious you haven't attended Catholic school. Punctuation and
sentence construction and diagramming are very important there.

If I remember right, its a place for Roman Catholics
to have discussions

Not necessarily. It's just a place to discuss Roman Catholicism in
general, pro or con.

not a place we should have to put up with the likes
of you..... :)

Deal with it, or killfile it.

Have a nice night Donald, I will pray for you also!

Your braying will accomplish nothing.
.

User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 06:42:12 PM

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:A0IKb.761095$Tr4.2165304@attbi_s03...

The other Donald wrote:

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nrGKb.767183$Fm2.733808@attbi_s04...

The other Donald wrote:

"Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote in message
news:r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

the

| Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked

the

| Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of

Israel

| made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these

people,

| will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their

request

and
| gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely
destroyed
| them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever

since.

|
|
| What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient

book

| myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and

plunder?

|
| Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com
|
|
|

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as

they

are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um,

the

Gospel message?

Bup

Your point?

You idiots prance around here claiming "God(tm) is love" and similar
*****. Editor simply outs you people as morons that worship an

imaginary

Sky Pixie that, by countless accounts in the Bible, is a murderous

piece

*****.

And to show you that the NT isn't much better, here's a Gospel message

for

you:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,

and

wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life

also, he

cannot be my disciple.

Jesus's family values: hate, hate and more hate.

-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister

Wow what a command of the English language you have,

Fuckin' A right I do. Unlike the Jesus freaks around here, I can easily
identify when a passage in the Bible promotes hatred of the family as

I've

shown with Luke 14:26. It is the fundies that are incapable of reading

those

words and interpreting them properly. They insist on distorting and
twisting, with one idiot twisting it to the point that he decided that
passage actually meant that everyone hated the disciple-in-training.

must have taken you

years to learn to talk like that, really show how intelligent you must
be........... :(

you

should consider your ineptitude with regard to punctuation and sentence
structure: essentially you suck at it. It's the mentally insignificant
people like you that are incapable of formulating any sort of legitimate

valid argument, so you whine like a little ***** about profanity.

BTW, fucktard (must be one of your new words), my wife and I are both

members of MENSA. My wife was the

local chaiman of the Austin group for two years when she was in college.

I'm

the charming one....

Very lame Donald

You find intelligent people to be "lame?" My, my, aren't you the impressive
little Catholic.
--

-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister

There you go again, if you would read all of these, you would have seen
I have already added my two pennies. :)

Yeah. We heard. We weren't impressed.

But once again all you are
showing is the only level you are able to express yourself (very sad).

I have many ways to express myself.
So, I'll spare your pathetic, sensitive delicacies and reply with: please
indulge in self-fornication. If you don't like my attitude, then don't talk
to me.

A little hint I would not brag about it! :)

I may be an obnoxious *****, but my ethics, honesty, nor integrity are
ever questioned.
To the contrary, one only must hear a few words from the average fundy to
learn that if they ever found out that no Great Sky Pixie was watching them,
they would be the most worthless, lying piece of ***** on my planet. It is
only the fear of a devine retribution that keeps them in line. They use the
euphemism of "moral compass."
That, sir, is a pathetic state of affairs.

I did not think this was a forum for us to express our punctuation and
sentence skills ?

You started it with your whining about profanity in the form of the usual,
canned, "lame," I-have-nothing-legitimate-to-say responses. I merely
responded in kind.

If I remember right, its a place for Roman Catholics
to have discussions not a place we should have to put up with the likes
of you..... :)

Guess again, flyboy. You're cross-posting into alt.atheism. Trying to
justify the slaughter of people by wrapping the God(tm) Cloak around you and
then presenting that ***** to Atheists is a fast way to have your head
handed to you on a platter....so to speak.

Have a nice night Donald, I will pray for you also!

Don't waste your time talking to yourself.

Chris

-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
X-post reply into:
alt.atheism,alt.recovery.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.christ
ian.roman-catholic
.

User: "BTR1701"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 12:49:44 AM

In article
<r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Bup"
<Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote:

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as they
are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um, the
Gospel message?

It's the same god. Just because he mellowed in his old age doesn't
absolve him of the atrocities he commit in his youth.
.

User: "Mekkala"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 01:33:18 PM

On 06 Jan 2004, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:BTR1702-40F826.00512006012004@news.west.earthlink.net:

In article
<r_nKb.7062$1g41.4580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Bup"
<Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote:

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as
they are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something,
like, um, the Gospel message?

It's the same god. Just because he mellowed in his old age doesn't
absolve him of the atrocities he commit in his youth.

And I don't recall any place in the NT condemning God for what he used
to do and saying he's repented for his past sins...
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
.

User: "Yang"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 09:19:21 PM

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:15:03 GMT, "Bup" <Bup@Tup.Nup> wrote:

I noticed your "Bible" quotes tend to be more like "Torah" quotes as they
are heavily OT but rarely NT. Maybe your missing something, like, um, the
Gospel message?

Like the message that says how slavery is okay? (Col 3:22)
-----
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The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
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Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.

User: "Chris C."
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	05 Jan 2004 07:24:59 PM

Editor of EvilBible.com wrote:

Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5, 2004 from www.EvilBible.com:

Towns Murdered (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)

The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that the
Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked the
Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of Israel
made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we
will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request and
gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely destroyed
them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.

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myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and plunder?

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?1? ?�? When the Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negeb, heard
that the Israelites were coming along the way of Atharim, he engaged
them in battle and took some of them captive.
?2? Israel then made this vow to the LORD: �If you deliver this people
into my hand, I will doom their cities.�
?3? ?�? Later, when the LORD heeded Israel�s prayer and delivered up
the Canaanites, they doomed them and their cities. Hence that place was
named Hormah.
The New American Bible (Nu 21:1-3). Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.
Now let me see if I can understand this, who attacked who
first???????????????? They (Israelites) ask God to help them overcome
the evil one (King of Arad) who attacked them first !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what I mean you are spreading false doctrine and making
misquotes. This is evil, now who is calling the kettle black.
If you are going to post lets post it in full context..........
Chris :)
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User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	05 Jan 2004 08:39:01 PM

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Editor of EvilBible.com wrote:

Israel

made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we
will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request

and

gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely

destroyed

them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.

?1? ??? When the Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negeb, heard
that the Israelites were coming along the way of Atharim, he engaged
them in battle and took some of them captive.
?2? Israel then made this vow to the LORD: "If you deliver this people
into my hand, I will doom their cities."
?3? ??? Later, when the LORD heeded Israel's prayer and delivered up
the Canaanites, they doomed them and their cities. Hence that place was
named Hormah.
The New American Bible (Nu 21:1-3). Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.

Now let me see if I can understand this, who attacked who
first???????????????? They (Israelites) ask God to help them overcome
the evil one (King of Arad) who attacked them first !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is what I mean you are spreading false doctrine and making
misquotes. This is evil, now who is calling the kettle black.
If you are going to post lets post it in full context..........

The Israelites attacked first. My quote is completely in context. What did
you think the Israelites were coming to do, pick flowers? Read the Bible
sometime. The Israelite hatred of the Canaanites starts in Genesis 9 and
continues throughout most of the Old Testament. The covenant between God
and the Israelites was an agreement that if the Israelites would obey Moses'
commandments then God would wipe out the Canaanites. The Israelite genocide
of the Canaanites is one of the *major* themes in the OT.
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User: "Chris C."
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 05:43:53 AM

Editor of EvilBible.com wrote:

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Editor of EvilBible.com wrote:

Israel

made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we
will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request

and

gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely

destroyed

them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since.

The Israelites attacked first.

Wrong
My quote is completely in context.
No it is not.
What did

you think the Israelites were coming to do, pick flowers? Read the Bible
sometime.

I have!
The Israelite hatred of the Canaanites starts in Genesis 9 and

continues throughout most of the Old Testament.

Why is this!
The covenant between God

and the Israelites was an agreement that if the Israelites would obey Moses'
commandments then God would wipe out the Canaanites. The Israelite genocide
of the Canaanites is one of the *major* themes in the OT.

Now once again you are wrong !
One of the purposes of the original form of this story was to explain
the name of a place called �Hormah,� which in Hebrew means �destruction�
(v. 3). A conflict at Hormah had also been mentioned at the end of the
spy story in 14:39-45. The story in 21:1-3 seems to be an alternate
tradition about this same conflict at Hormah. In the context of the
present narrative, this successful conquest of Arad at Hormah signals
God�s continuing faithfulness and intention to bring Israel into the
promised land. When Israel trusts in God alone, then God will give
victory to Israel. The Hormah story in 14:39-45 makes the same
theological point in negative terms: when the people disobey and do not
trust in God but only in their own strength and resources, they will
suffer defeat.
Mays, J. L. (1988). Harper's Bible commentary (Nu 21:4). San Francisco:
Harper & Row.
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User: "Editor of EvilBible.com"
Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for Jan. 5 (Towns Murdered)	06 Jan 2004 08:55:31 AM

"Chris C." <carneyc@comcast.net> wrote in message