Religions > Atheism > Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children)
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28 Jul 2003 10:53:51 PM |
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Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28, 2003 from www.EvilBible.com:
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
"If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will
inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild
animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your
numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted."
What kind of person would get their moral guidance from an ancient book of
myths and magic that says it is OK to murder, rape, pillage, and plunder?
Read more about the evils of the Bible at www.EvilBible.com.
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29 Jul 2003 01:15:07 AM |
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"If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will
inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild
animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your
numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted."
Once again the bible illustrates its divine perspicacity. God forsees
traffic congestion and even provides the proper, deity approved
solution.
Praise the Lord!
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Archdeacom Levy Oates
On behalf of the Prophet Eric Peabody (pbuh)
Basingstoke, England
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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29 Jul 2003 06:53:23 AM |
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"Levy Oates" <levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:du3civs8p1tndqap2m0ldokfjnfmlt1dnu@4ax.com...
"If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will
inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild
animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your
numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted."
Once again the bible illustrates its divine perspicacity. God forsees
traffic congestion and even provides the proper, deity approved
solution.
Praise the Lord!
No, instead, I don't really believe that God 'stated' that. Instead, I think
that that statement is an ancient Hebrews *perception* of God.
The REAL PERCEPTION of God is the teachings we have in the Gospels.
1 Corinthians 2
15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not
subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[1] But we have the mind of Christ.
John 8
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
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| User: "Alan Hobson" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
29 Jul 2003 12:06:50 PM |
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<%etVa.896$V_4.37639@eagle.america.net>...
"Levy Oates" <levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:du3civs8p1tndqap2m0ldokfjnfmlt1dnu@4ax.com...
"If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will
inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild
animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your
numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted."
Once again the bible illustrates its divine perspicacity. God forsees
traffic congestion and even provides the proper, deity approved
solution.
Praise the Lord!
No, instead, I don't really believe that God 'stated' that. Instead, I think
that that statement is an ancient Hebrews *perception* of God.
The REAL PERCEPTION of God is the teachings we have in the Gospels.
Ah... They hey are slightly *less* ancient, so they must be true.
<snipt>
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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| User: "Nigel" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
29 Jul 2003 06:08:18 PM |
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Crap Crap crap.
nothings right or wrong only thinking makes it so.
"Alan Hobson" <alhob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Levy Oates" <levy_oates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I
will
inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release
wild
animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your
numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted."
Once again the bible illustrates its divine perspicacity. God forsees
traffic congestion and even provides the proper, deity approved
solution.
Praise the Lord!
No, instead, I don't really believe that God 'stated' that. Instead, I
think
that that statement is an ancient Hebrews *perception* of God.
The REAL PERCEPTION of God is the teachings we have in the Gospels.
Ah... They hey are slightly *less* ancient, so they must be true.
<snipt>
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Jul 2003 10:31:23 PM |
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On 29 Jul 2003 10:06:50 -0700, (Alan Hobson)
posted in alt.atheism:
"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<%etVa.896$V_4.37639@eagle.america.net>...
The REAL PERCEPTION of God is the teachings we have in the Gospels.
Ah... They hey are slightly *less* ancient, so they must be true.
Which would make the Book of Mormon *MUCH* more true.
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"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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29 Jul 2003 07:09:45 PM |
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"Routerider" <no-email@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
No, instead, I don't really believe that God 'stated' that. Instead, I
think
that that statement is an ancient Hebrews *perception* of God.
The REAL PERCEPTION of God is the teachings we have in the Gospels.
1 Corinthians 2
15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is
not
subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[1] But we have the mind of Christ.
John 8
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Hey, I think he's onto something. I happen to believe the same thing only I
believe the NT is partial myth as well. Finally a christian agrees that the
hideos OT is a bunch of stories from a bunch of brutal men. It's about
time.
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is Gods Will and
commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But, at least some of the Old
Testament is in character with the Teaching of Christ in the New Testament.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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30 Jul 2003 11:44:48 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:09:45 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is Gods Will and
commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But, at least some of the Old
Testament is in character with the Teaching of Christ in the New Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Assuming that the biblical Jesus even existed, for which there's
absolutely no objective evidence, and against which there's loads of
evidence.
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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31 Jul 2003 06:40:01 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:09:45 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is Gods Will
and
commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But, at least some of the
Old
Testament is in character with the Teaching of Christ in the New Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter,
not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until
everything is accomplished.
"until everything is accomplished".
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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01 Aug 2003 07:38:12 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:40:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:uh7hiv865liqippbmhv3qgkrnesv2iqqp6@Pern.rk...
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:09:45 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is Gods Will
and
commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But, at least some of
the Old
Testament is in character with the Teaching of Christ in the New
Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic Law in its
entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices. Thus, the only
Covenant we can follow is the New Covenant.
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest
letter,
not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until
everything is accomplished.
"until everything is accomplished".
Since not everything has been accomplished, that means nothing. (Of
course you can misinterpret "everything" to mean anything you want it
to mean, but if you accept the actual meaning we have a few billion
years to go yet.)
--
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever
conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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01 Aug 2003 04:19:58 PM |
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"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:40:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:09:45 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is
Gods Will
and
commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But, at least
some of
the Old
Testament is in character with the Teaching of Christ in the New
Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic Law in
its
entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices. Thus, the only
Covenant we can follow is the New Covenant.
People build temples all the time. That's a very lame excuse.
It's a little more complicated than that. Supposedly, there was a room called
the Holy of Holies where God supposedly actually resided. Unless you build a
Temple the way God says it should be built and able to talk God into residing in
the Holy of Holies, then you don't really have a Temple.
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| User: "Editor of EvilBible.com" |
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01 Aug 2003 05:29:54 PM |
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:40:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:09:45 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is
Gods Will
and
commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But, at least
some of
the Old
Testament is in character with the Teaching of Christ in the New
Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is
a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long
as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle)
shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic
Law in
its
entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices. Thus, the
only
Covenant we can follow is the New Covenant.
People build temples all the time. That's a very lame excuse.
It's a little more complicated than that. Supposedly, there was a room
called
the Holy of Holies where God supposedly actually resided. Unless you
build a
Temple the way God says it should be built and able to talk God into
residing in
the Holy of Holies, then you don't really have a Temple.
Acts 7:48 says that God does not live in temples. I guess you have run out
of lame excuses.
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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01 Aug 2003 06:43:13 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:40:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:09:45 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is
Gods Will
and
commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But, at least
some of
the Old
Testament is in character with the Teaching of Christ in the New
Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is
a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long
as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle)
shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic
Law in
its
entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices. Thus, the
only
Covenant we can follow is the New Covenant.
People build temples all the time. That's a very lame excuse.
It's a little more complicated than that. Supposedly, there was a room
called
the Holy of Holies where God supposedly actually resided. Unless you
build a
Temple the way God says it should be built and able to talk God into
residing in
the Holy of Holies, then you don't really have a Temple.
Acts 7:48 says that God does not live in temples. I guess you have run out
of lame excuses.
The Jews believed that God lived in the Temple. Read the Old Testament.
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| User: "Editor of EvilBible.com" |
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02 Aug 2003 08:51:29 AM |
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:40:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:09:45 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old
Testament is
Gods Will
and
commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But, at
least
some of
the Old
Testament is in character with the Teaching of Christ in the
New
Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ"
is
a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not
even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as
long
as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle)
shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the
Mosaic
Law in
its
entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices. Thus,
the
only
Covenant we can follow is the New Covenant.
People build temples all the time. That's a very lame excuse.
It's a little more complicated than that. Supposedly, there was a
room
called
the Holy of Holies where God supposedly actually resided. Unless you
build a
Temple the way God says it should be built and able to talk God into
residing in
the Holy of Holies, then you don't really have a Temple.
Acts 7:48 says that God does not live in temples. I guess you have run
out
of lame excuses.
The Jews believed that God lived in the Temple. Read the Old Testament.
Of course they did believe such nonsense. The New Testament tells a
different story. Clearly this is a contradiction. Such obvious
contradictions prove that the Bible was written by idiots. They can even
keep their lies straight.
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02 Aug 2003 08:15:35 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:13 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
The Jews believed that God lived in the Temple. Read the Old Testament.
The Temples were destroyed by men. Do you think that a
creator-of-the-universe god would change the entire structure of his
reality because of what some men did?
Are you joking? Or do you really have no idea what you're talking
about?
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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03 Aug 2003 01:25:29 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:13 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
The Jews believed that God lived in the Temple. Read the Old Testament.
The Temples were destroyed by men. Do you think that a
creator-of-the-universe god would change the entire structure of his
reality because of what some men did?
The ancient Hebrews say that God lost favor with them and allowed punishment to
occur. I would assume the writers in order to get the story correct believed
that God vacated the Temple before it was overrun and destroyed.
Are you joking? Or do you really have no idea what you're talking
about?
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a
vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment
and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a
law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Aug 2003 05:47:03 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:25:29 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:13 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
The Jews believed that God lived in the Temple. Read the Old Testament.
The Temples were destroyed by men. Do you think that a
creator-of-the-universe god would change the entire structure of his
reality because of what some men did?
The ancient Hebrews say that God lost favor with them and allowed punishment to
occur.
That's what the ancient Hebrews said, not what your god said.
I would assume the writers in order to get the story correct believed
that God vacated the Temple before it was overrun and destroyed.
That may be what they believed, but it's not what your god said. Nor
is any of the story found to be possible by archaeology.
--
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
03 Aug 2003 09:06:42 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:25:29 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 19:43:13 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
The Jews believed that God lived in the Temple. Read the Old Testament.
The Temples were destroyed by men. Do you think that a
creator-of-the-universe god would change the entire structure of his
reality because of what some men did?
The ancient Hebrews say that God lost favor with them and allowed punishment
to
occur.
That's what the ancient Hebrews said, not what your god said.
I would assume the writers in order to get the story correct believed
that God vacated the Temple before it was overrun and destroyed.
That may be what they believed, but it's not what your god said. Nor
is any of the story found to be possible by archaeology.
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When you say "That's what the ancient Hebrews said, not what your god said", it
makes me think that we think alike in this area. My take is that some of the OT
is God speaking to man, but much of the OT is also mans *perception* of Gods
Will. Because man is not perfect, mans perception of Gods Will is sometimes
errant too. One instance where I think man used God in error is when Samuel
told King Saul that God commands you to kill the Amalekites including their
women, children, infants, and animals.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
04 Aug 2003 10:24:25 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:06:42 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
When you say "That's what the ancient Hebrews said, not what your god said", it
makes me think that we think alike in this area. My take is that some of the OT
is God speaking
No, we don't think alike. The bible, both testaments, is man speaking
to men.
to man, but much of the OT is also mans *perception* of Gods
Will. Because man is not perfect, mans perception of Gods Will is sometimes
errant too. One instance where I think man used God in error is when Samuel
told King Saul that God commands you to kill the Amalekites including their
women, children, infants, and animals.
And another was in the entire myth of Jesus.
How in HELL could anyone, 300 years after the fact, know that a
particular woman was a virgin when she conceived? (No, the OT claims
don't establish Mary's virginity, since they don't refer to a Messiah
who leads the enemy of the Jews. And, even if they did, your position
is that the OT is merely man's incorrect attempt at writing things
down, so it proves nothing.)
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"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
02 Aug 2003 01:20:00 AM |
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Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Editor of EvilBible.com <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
People build temples all the time. That's a very lame excuse.
It's a little more complicated than that. Supposedly, there was a room called
the Holy of Holies where God supposedly actually resided.
Just a con by the Jewish priests. They killed anyone who tried to get
into the area.
Unless you build a Temple the way God says it should be built and able
to talk God into residing in the Holy of Holies, then you don't really have
a Temple.
Don't tell me you believe such rubbish, do you?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
02 Aug 2003 06:07:35 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic
Law in its entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices.
So if a third temple is built and animal sacrifices resume, the
sacrifice of Jesus will become void or invalid for both Jews and
Christians alike?
No, I would not think so. God might not want to reside in the Holy of Holies.
Building the third Temple could possibly be an embarassing non-event.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
03 Aug 2003 07:16:11 PM |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:07:35 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic
Law in its entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices.
So if a third temple is built and animal sacrifices resume, the
sacrifice of Jesus will become void or invalid for both Jews and
Christians alike?
No, I would not think so. God might not want to reside in the Holy of Holies.
What ever would lead you to believe that?
Building the third Temple could possibly be an embarassing non-event.
Just like building the second Temple was? Why is two the magic
number?
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"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding
the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
- Letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
04 Aug 2003 10:20:53 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 02:29:08 GMT, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in alt.atheism
Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic
Law in its entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices.
So if a third temple is built and animal sacrifices resume, the
sacrifice of Jesus will become void or invalid for both Jews and
Christians alike?
No, I would not think so. God might not want to reside in the Holy of Holies.
What ever would lead you to believe that?
YHWH is afraid the Arabs will kill him?
He IS a wimpy little god, isn't he? Can't even defeat primitive
people on chariots, something any gang-banger with an AK-47 and a lot
of ammo could do in his sleep.
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"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths; if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance." - A. J. Mims
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
03 Aug 2003 09:31:09 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic
Law in its entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices.
So if a third temple is built and animal sacrifices resume, the
sacrifice of Jesus will become void or invalid for both Jews and
Christians alike?
That's the natural conclusion of his assertion.
I thought so, but wasn't absolutely sure.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
02 Aug 2003 01:38:06 AM |
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:38:12 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic Law in its
entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices. Thus, the only
Covenant we can follow is the New Covenant.
Try actually reading this:
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
02 Aug 2003 06:12:50 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:38:12 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic Law in
its
entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices. Thus, the only
Covenant we can follow is the New Covenant.
Try actually reading this:
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
"until all is accomplished". I'll have to research this next thim I go to the
bookstore. There is a book called "hard sayings of the Bible" that might have a
good answer.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
02 Aug 2003 08:17:06 PM |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:12:50 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:38:12 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
Try actually reading this:
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
"until all is accomplished".
Since there are many things that haven't yet been accomplished, we're
obviously not at a time when all has been accomplished.
I'll have to research this next thim I go to the
bookstore. There is a book called "hard sayings of the Bible" that might have a
good answer.
Try actually reading the bible. "All" doesn't leave any room for
interpretation.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "John Kelley" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
06 Aug 2003 02:40:28 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<v0nmivspgl7vnkhjge4lqf3jibou36rtfp@Pern.rk>...
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:38:12 -0400, "Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
The Mosaic Law's words still exist but no one can follow the Mosaic Law in its
entireity because there is no Temple to offer sacrifices. Thus, the only
Covenant we can follow is the New Covenant.
Try actually reading this:
As I said, the NT is a violation of the bible, which states very
plainly that not even a single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall
be changed as long as either heaven or Earth still exist.
"Until all(meaning the Jewish law)is fulfiled"
Jesus fulfiled the law by living it out perfectly,
completely obeying it.
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
31 Jul 2003 04:31:40 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is Gods
Will and commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But,
at least some of the Old Testament is in character with the Teaching of
Christ in the New Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest
letter,
not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law
until
everything is accomplished.
"until everything is accomplished".
What does that mean exactly? Seems kinda vague to me.
I understand "until everything is accomplished" to mean when Christs life as a
human on earth is finished - when he died on the Cross. Christ brought a New
Covenant - a new way to do Gods Will that was not corrupted by traditions and
culture peculiar to a specific race of people. Christ brought about a new way
for us humans to view the world - a spiritual view of the world and not one that
promotes ones culture or 'traditions of the elders'.
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| User: "Editor of EvilBible.com" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
31 Jul 2003 09:40:38 PM |
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is
Gods
Will and commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But,
at least some of the Old Testament is in character with the Teaching
of
Christ in the New Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the
smallest
letter,
not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the
Law
until
everything is accomplished.
"until everything is accomplished".
What does that mean exactly? Seems kinda vague to me.
I understand "until everything is accomplished" to mean when Christs life
as a
human on earth is finished - when he died on the Cross. Christ brought a
New
Covenant - a new way to do Gods Will that was not corrupted by traditions
and
culture peculiar to a specific race of people. Christ brought about a new
way
for us humans to view the world - a spiritual view of the world and not
one that
promotes ones culture or 'traditions of the elders'.
And this view completely ignores the first half of this verse where "heaven
and earth disappear". How do you explain that?
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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| Title: Re: Evil Bible Quote of the Day for July 28 (God Will Kill Children) |
01 Aug 2003 07:32:32 AM |
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"Editor of EvilBible.com" <Dont_Reply@Here.com> wrote in message
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
Caiaphas <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Perhaps the farse and hypocrisy that all of the Old Testament is
Gods
Will and commanded by God should be addressed and debated. But,
at least some of the Old Testament is in character with the Teaching
of
Christ in the New Testament.
You're looking at things backwards. "The teaching of Christ" is a
violation of the bible, which states very plainly that not even a
single punctuation mark (jot or tittle) shall be changed as long as
either heaven or Earth still exist.
Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the
smallest
letter,
not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the
Law
until
everything is accomplished.
"until everything is accomplished".
What does that mean exactly? Seems kinda vague to me.
I understand "until everything is accomplished" to mean when Christs life
as a
human on earth is finished - when he died on the Cross. Christ brought a
New
Covenant - a new way to do Gods Will that was not corrupted by traditions
and
culture peculiar to a specific race of people. Christ brought about a new
way
for us humans to view the world - a spiritual view of the world and not
one that
promotes ones culture or 'traditions of the elders'.
And this view completely ignores the first half of this verse where "heaven
and earth disappear". How do you explain that?
The Mosaic Law is still there in Scripture so it has not disappeared. But, it
cannot be obeyed because there is no Temple to offer animal blood sacrifices.
The offering of the New Covenant was in 30 AD and the end of the Old Covenant
was in 70 AD.
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