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Religions > Atheism |
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"The_Sage" |
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18 Oct 2005 08:29:06 PM |
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Evolution and Intelligent design... |
Creationists (read: Intelligent design proponents) want you to believe that
since no one has personally witnessed evolution as it is occuring, then it must
be make believe. By that same logic, since no one has personally witnessed an
animal being fossilized, fossils don't exist. Clearly that is not true.
Believers not only don't understand the difference between direct evidence and
indirect evidence. Fossils are rock solid evidence that evolution has occured
because they are a snapshot of ancient life, captured in sequence at random
moments in time over a period of billions of years. Fossils are indirect
evidence of evolution and fossils don't lie. There is no rock solid evidence
available for Intelligent Design, it is based purely on argument alone. Who is
this designer or designers and why is there no evidence that they exist anymore?
The Sage
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| User: "Ranando King" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution and Intelligent design... |
19 Oct 2005 02:42:16 PM |
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"The_Sage" <The_Sage@msn.com> wrote in message
news:2g7bl1d5ujb9l5j97v22t6a4n8a1fo7ok9@4ax.com...
Creationists (read: Intelligent design proponents) want you to believe
that
since no one has personally witnessed evolution as it is occuring, then it
must
be make believe. By that same logic, since no one has personally witnessed
an
animal being fossilized, fossils don't exist. Clearly that is not true.
Believers not only don't understand the difference between direct evidence
and
indirect evidence. Fossils are rock solid evidence that evolution has
occured
because they are a snapshot of ancient life, captured in sequence at
random
moments in time over a period of billions of years. Fossils are indirect
evidence of evolution and fossils don't lie. There is no rock solid
evidence
available for Intelligent Design, it is based purely on argument alone.
Who is
this designer or designers and why is there no evidence that they exist
anymore?
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Careful when you cast your devil out of you lest you cast
out the best thing in you." -Nietzsche
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Might I present a piece of evidence in favor of both Intelligent Design
*AND* Evolution?
Consider any piece of modern technology. Technology is by definition the
result of intelligent design (though sometimes I wonder about the
intelligence of some of the designers...). If technology were viewed without
concern of its construction or its creator(s), it can also be seen that
technology is constantly evolving. Each new technological entity is a
variation of some prior art that may or may not include some new
functionality, or some revised old functionality. That is the nature of
evolution.
As far as species derivation is concerned, of course there are going to be
similarities. Some designs are good enough to re-use, even in un-related
projects. Boats and Bicycles share no common ancestor. Bicycles and Stage
Coaches do. Both are variations of a carriage. When carriages became
motorized, someone eventually tried to put the motor on a bicycle. The motor
is a decendant of a steam engine, something commonly used on boats. So
whether the objects have a related ancestry or not, there are some common
components in each design.
Evolution does not preclude intelligent design. Intelligent design does not
preclude evolution. Whether either was separately responsible for life or
they were together responsible is a matter of conjecture.
R.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution and Intelligent design... |
18 Oct 2005 10:17:45 PM |
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In <2g7bl1d5ujb9l5j97v22t6a4n8a1fo7ok9@4ax.com>, The_Sage
<The_Sage@msn.com> wrote:
Creationists (read: Intelligent design proponents) want you to believe
that since no one has personally witnessed evolution as it is occuring,
then it must be make believe.
And yet they insist on a "designer" nobody's ever seen and nobody saw
doing any designing...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Opie" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution and Intelligent design... |
18 Oct 2005 10:15:53 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:29:06 -0700, The_Sage
<The_Sage@msn.com> wrote:
<> Creationists (read: Intelligent design
proponents) want you to believe that
<> since no one has personally witnessed evolution
as it is occuring, then it must
<> be make believe. By that same logic, since no
one has personally witnessed an
<> animal being fossilized, fossils don't exist.
Clearly that is not true.
<> Believers not only don't understand the
difference between direct evidence and
<> indirect evidence. Fossils are rock solid
evidence that evolution has occured
<> because they are a snapshot of ancient life,
captured in sequence at random
<> moments in time over a period of billions of
years. Fossils are indirect
<> evidence of evolution and fossils don't lie.
There is no rock solid evidence
<> available for Intelligent Design, it is based
purely on argument alone. Who is
<> this designer or designers and why is there no
evidence that they exist anymore?
<>
<> The Sage
<>
<>
=============================================================
<> My Home Page :
http://members.cox.net/the.sage
<>
<> "Careful when you cast your devil out of you
lest you cast
<> out the best thing in you." -Nietzsche
<>
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Some intelligent being must have designed
Parkinson's disease. Right?
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