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"loose cannon" |
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13 Jun 2005 11:47:26 PM |
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Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/11867477.htm
Evolution debate confounds evangelicals
'Intelligent design' theory at center of conflict
BY PAUL NUSSBAUM
PHILADELPHIA - Can God and evolution coexist?
For many evangelical Christians, the debate over teaching evolution in
public schools touches a vital spiritual nerve. Some see evolution as a
path to perdition, while others see it as a crowning example of God's
handiwork.
A legal battle in Dover, Pa., over the teaching of evolution and
"intelligent design" has focused attention on the issue, as have
proposals in Kansas to change how evolution is taught.
For David Wilcox, a biology professor at the evangelical college of
Eastern University, the challenge is to teach students that it's
possible to embrace evolution "without intellectual schizophrenia."
"They've been taught that evolution is another way of saying atheism,
and they just shut it out," said Wilcox, author of "God and Evolution:
A Faith-Based Understanding." "They say, 'Why do I have to learn this
stuff - don't you know that God hates science?' "
"God doesn't hate science - he invented it. We try to get them to see
that evolution happened, and it's not so scary ... that evolution is
the way God did it."
"Evolutionary theists" such as Wilcox are part of an effort by the
scientific establishment to defend evolution against advocates of
creationism, intelligent design and other concepts that challenge the
theory of natural selection in whole or in part.
Evangelical Christians are as divided as much of the rest of the
nation.
"No topic in the world of science and Christianity has created the
intensity of discussion and disharmony with evangelicals as the source
of biological diversity," asserts the American Scientific Affiliation,
an organization of scientists who are Christians. "Today's spirited
discussion often pits Christian versus Christian and scientist versus
scientist."
The nation's leading science organizations and the majority of
scientists accept the theory of evolution as the explanation for the
origin of all living things, but Americans in general are much less
convinced.
Offered three explanations for the origin of humans in a CBS News/New
York Times poll six months ago, 13 percent of respondents said they
believed "we evolved from less-advanced life forms over millions of
years, and God did not directly guide this process." Twenty-seven
percent believed "we evolved from less-advanced life forms over
millions of years, but God guided this process." And 55 percent
believed "God created us in our present form." The poll, which
questioned 885 people, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3
percentage points.
Evangelicals who are "young Earth" fundamentalists dismiss evolution
and subscribe to a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of
creation, believing Earth is less than 10,000 years old.
They often see the teaching of evolution as undermining Christianity
and paving the way to immorality.
"What you believe about where you came from directly affects your
worldview," said Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, a
fundamental creationist organization that is building a
50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky. "If you can use
man's ideas to reinterpret the book of Genesis, then why not use man's
ideas to reinterpret morality?"
One of the newest wrinkles in a debate that has percolated ever since
Charles Darwin published his "On the Origin of Species" in 1859 is
"intelligent design."
That is the concept at the heart of the battle in Dover, 25 miles south
of Harrisburg.
Eleven parents have filed a federal lawsuit to stop the Dover school
board from requiring biology teachers to present "intelligent design"
as an alternative to evolution.
The parents say intelligent design is a religious argument and teaching
it violates a 1987 U.S. Supreme Court ruling against teaching
creationism as science.
Intelligent design holds that natural selection cannot explain all of
the complex developments observed in nature and that an unspecified
intelligent designer must be involved. Its adherents say it is a
scientific, not a religious, concept based on scientific observations,
although they acknowledge its theological implications.
Michael Behe, a biochemistry professor at Lehigh University in
Bethlehem, Pa., and the author of "Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical
Challenge to Evolution," is an intelligent-design proponent and is
scheduled to be an expert witnesses for the Dover school board when the
case goes to trial in the fall.
He says religion is "clearly why (intelligent design) evokes such
emotion. ... It's not just another issue of science. If it were, no one
would care."
Christian supporters of evolution say intelligent design seems to
require periodic intervention by the designer.
Kenneth R. Miller, a biology professor at Brown University and the
author of "Finding Darwin's God," is an ardent proponent of evolution
and opponent of intelligent design.
He is slated to be an expert witness for the parents in the Dover case.
"I think there is a God, and he is the creator of the universe," said
Miller, who is Catholic. "But the God of the intelligent-design
movement is way too small. In their view, he designed everything in the
world and yet he repeatedly intervenes and violates the laws of his own
creation.
"Their God is like a kid who is not a very good mechanic and has to
keep lifting the hood and tinkering with the engine."
Many evangelical Protestants, like many Catholics and other Christians,
argue that faith and science complement each other and need not collide
over evolution.
The scientific establishment is trying harder to present evolution as
something apart from, not a threat to, religion.
"It's not science versus religion - that misses the point entirely,"
said Jay Labov, senior adviser for education and communication for the
National Academy of Sciences. "Science cannot begin to look into the
supernatural. That's beyond the realm of science."
The president of the National Academy, Bruce Alberts, sent a letter in
March to members, urging them "to confront the increasing challenges to
the teaching of evolution in public schools."
The academy also gathered the signatures of more than 4,000 Christian
clergy - including evangelicals - supporting evolution as "a
scientific truth." The clergy, in the letter, "ask that science remain
science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but
complementary, forms of truth."
The theory of intelligent design holds that natural selection cannot
explain all of the complex developments observed in nature and that an
unspecified intelligent designer must be involved.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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16 Jun 2005 08:24:22 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:tPSdnYIZ0s71cSzfRVn-oQ@comcast.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967790D3CD1B1retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when
even you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are
fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
You have to show why yours isn't while all the others are.
I never said they were, I simply asked for proof mine was fiction.
That's your job.
You made the declarative. I am under no compunction to prove your
point for you.
I don't need to prove my point, loon.
--
Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "Mickey" |
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16 Jun 2005 08:35:45 PM |
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"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9677BB3CDCE37retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:tPSdnYIZ0s71cSzfRVn-oQ@comcast.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967790D3CD1B1retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when
even you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are
fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
You have to show why yours isn't while all the others are.
I never said they were, I simply asked for proof mine was fiction.
That's your job.
You made the declarative. I am under no compunction to prove your
point for you.
I don't need to prove my point, loon.
Of course not, you're just a troll.
*plonk*
Mickey
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
16 Jun 2005 08:53:53 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in news:rb6dnd4d8ZygtS_fRVn-
rQ@comcast.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9677BB3CDCE37retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:tPSdnYIZ0s71cSzfRVn-oQ@comcast.com:
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967790D3CD1B1retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when
even you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are
fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
You have to show why yours isn't while all the others are.
I never said they were, I simply asked for proof mine was
fiction.
That's your job.
You made the declarative. I am under no compunction to prove your
point for you.
I don't need to prove my point, loon.
Of course not, you're just a troll.
*plonk*
No, loon, you are just an idiot.
--
Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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16 Jun 2005 04:31:18 PM |
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Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when even
you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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16 Jun 2005 08:23:57 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B1EFA6.CF505041@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when
even
you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are
fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
Here we have Bozo Billy Bonde weighing in with his usual droppings.
--
Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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16 Jun 2005 09:20:16 PM |
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Dave Lister wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B1EFA6.CF505041@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when
even
you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are
fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
Here we have Bozo Billy Bonde weighing in with his usual droppings.
Prove that the universe exists or admit your 'logic' is wrong.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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16 Jun 2005 10:53:35 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B23360.C4E3B93F@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B1EFA6.CF505041@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when
even
you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are
fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
Here we have Bozo Billy Bonde weighing in with his usual droppings.
Prove that the universe exists or admit your 'logic' is wrong.
Again Bozo Billy Bonde tries to get someone to pooper scoop after his
public excrement.
--
Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
16 Jun 2005 09:43:56 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B1EFA6.CF505041@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when even
you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
It doesn't need proof - it exists by definition. The universe is defined
as all that exists. Since it is clear that something exists, then the
universe must exist.
Klazman
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
16 Jun 2005 10:54:27 PM |
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Llanzlan Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in
news:Xns967895D414C49Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B1EFA6.CF505041@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when even
you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
It doesn't need proof - it exists by definition. The universe is defined
as all that exists. Since it is clear that something exists, then the
universe must exist.
Don't get sucked in by Bozo Billy. He doesn't use words the way a normal
human does.
--
Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
16 Jun 2005 11:04:26 PM |
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Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B1EFA6.CF505041@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when even
you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
It doesn't need proof - it exists by definition. The universe is defined
as all that exists. Since it is clear that something exists, then the
universe must exist.
That's a circle argument.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
22 Jun 2005 06:04:03 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B24BCA.41C07197@nuj.net:
Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B1EFA6.CF505041@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when
even you must admit that all the thousands of other deities are
fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
It doesn't need proof - it exists by definition. The universe is
defined as all that exists. Since it is clear that something exists,
then the universe must exist.
That's a circle argument.
Nope. It just a deduction from a definition.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
22 Jun 2005 06:51:45 PM |
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Llanzlan Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in
news:Xns967E7089B544DKlazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B24BCA.41C07197@nuj.net:
Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote in news:42B1EFA6.CF505041@nuj.net:
Dave Lister wrote:
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in
news:SoCdnYfe4Mi7MyzfRVn-3g@comcast.com:
He doesn't have to. It is the falsifiable logical default when
even you must admit that all the thousands of other deities
are
fiction.
I admit nothing of the sort.
I still don't have to. It is the default logic position.
Prove that the universe exists.
It doesn't need proof - it exists by definition. The universe is
defined as all that exists. Since it is clear that something exists,
then the universe must exist.
That's a circle argument.
Nope. It just a deduction from a definition.
It is an axiom.
--
Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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16 Jun 2005 12:20:17 PM |
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What??????????
What a fucking hypocrite you are!!! You are disgusting! You
self-righteous "holier-than-thou" MAMZER!
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:obKdnc5g34wyPyzfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
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: "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:Xns9677592CA578Cretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
: > "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in
news:QW8se.99266
: > $CR5.41865@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
: >
: > > Our God, the God of Avraham v'Sara (Yod-Hay-Vav-Hey) -- His name
is not
: > > Yahweh, there are no vowels and the pronunciation was lost --
never
: > > lived on Mount Sinai. He does not live any where, because He has
no
: > > body, no physicality, He isn't even a He. But we are limited on
saying
: > > what God is because of our limited language -- One can always say
what
: > > God is not, but truly never say what God is, because we simply do
not
: > > know, nor have the words to define God.
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: > Your god is a fiction.
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: Prove it.
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: Mickey
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: > --
: > Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
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: > Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "Mickey" |
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16 Jun 2005 12:21:51 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:wpise.102527$8S5.9705@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
What??????????
What a fucking hypocrite you are!!! You are disgusting! You
self-righteous "holier-than-thou" MAMZER!
This because I asked for proof my God is fiction? Hit your head on something
today, numbnuts?
Mickey
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:obKdnc5g34wyPyzfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
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: "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:Xns9677592CA578Cretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
: > "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in
news:QW8se.99266
: > $CR5.41865@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
: >
: > > Our God, the God of Avraham v'Sara (Yod-Hay-Vav-Hey) -- His name
is not
: > > Yahweh, there are no vowels and the pronunciation was lost --
never
: > > lived on Mount Sinai. He does not live any where, because He has
no
: > > body, no physicality, He isn't even a He. But we are limited on
saying
: > > what God is because of our limited language -- One can always say
what
: > > God is not, but truly never say what God is, because we simply do
not
: > > know, nor have the words to define God.
: >
: > Your god is a fiction.
:
: Prove it.
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: Mickey
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: >
: > --
: > Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
: >
: > Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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16 Jun 2005 12:19:48 AM |
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Projecting again?
Off of your medicine again?
Try suicide.
"NefeshBarYochai" <tachnan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118896105.817856.62370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: There is only one God and that is the God of Israel and his name is
: Yahweh, although you Christians Arabs call him Jehovah.
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: Young lady we know your a ***** by the language you use. I know you'd
: like me to post the adult web site that you and your prostitute
friends
: advertise on but I'm not your servant. You post it.
:
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: Tekhelet, Israel Argaman Ben Avraham
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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14 Jun 2005 11:55:36 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:04:35 +0100, Barry Trotter
<trotb02@hogwash.ac.uk> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
God and evolution cannot possibly coexist. The one disproves the other
because evolution explains how intelligence came about, and why it
cannot have pre-dated life.
I've spoken to a Christian biologist who sees God subtly directing
evolution, guiding things to where H. sapians evolved. She describes
it as like coooking a seven-course meal.. there's a lot of work to be
done before everything is right.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "brutus" |
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14 Jun 2005 01:59:28 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:04:35 +0100, Barry Trotter
<trotb02@hogwash.ac.uk> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
God and evolution cannot possibly coexist. The one disproves the other
because evolution explains how intelligence came about, and why it
cannot have pre-dated life.
I've spoken to a Christian biologist who sees God subtly directing
evolution, guiding things to where H. sapians evolved. She describes
it as like coooking a seven-course meal.. there's a lot of work to be
done before everything is right.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
If that is the case then someone burned the main course.
Brutus
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
14 Jun 2005 10:59:29 PM |
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brutus wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:dv2ua1pgktvfeq3g8ga2k90janlb12n514@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:04:35 +0100, Barry Trotter
<trotb02@hogwash.ac.uk> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
God and evolution cannot possibly coexist. The one disproves the other
because evolution explains how intelligence came about, and why it
cannot have pre-dated life.
I've spoken to a Christian biologist who sees God subtly directing
evolution, guiding things to where H. sapians evolved. She describes
it as like coooking a seven-course meal.. there's a lot of work to be
done before everything is right.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
If that is the case then someone burned the main course.
That makes no sense.
Brutus
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Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
14 Jun 2005 12:00:12 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:dv2ua1pgktvfeq3g8ga2k90janlb12n514@4ax.com:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:04:35 +0100, Barry Trotter
<trotb02@hogwash.ac.uk> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
God and evolution cannot possibly coexist. The one disproves the other
because evolution explains how intelligence came about, and why it
cannot have pre-dated life.
I've spoken to a Christian biologist who sees God subtly directing
evolution, guiding things to where H. sapians evolved. She describes
it as like coooking a seven-course meal.. there's a lot of work to be
done before everything is right.
At best, god threw an asteroid at Earth once in a while to shake things up.
The rest is random.
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Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution debate confounds evangelicals |
14 Jun 2005 06:51:27 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:dv2ua1pgktvfeq3g8ga2k90janlb12n514@4ax.com:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:04:35 +0100, Barry Trotter
<trotb02@hogwash.ac.uk> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
God and evolution cannot possibly coexist. The one disproves the other
because evolution explains how intelligence came about, and why it
cannot have pre-dated life.
I've spoken to a Christian biologist who sees God subtly directing
evolution, guiding things to where H. sapians evolved. She describes
it as like coooking a seven-course meal.. there's a lot of work to be
done before everything is right.
Which certainly excludes an omnipotent God. Means to an end are a result
of limitations. A truely omnipotent God could simply create the desired
end whith a thought.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I
have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than
in the church."
--Ferdinand Magellan, (1480–1521)
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