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"LunarSurface" |
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01 Jan 2006 07:22:21 PM |
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Evolution is private property |
All competent scientists believe evolution,' they say. Which also
says, in effect: 'Scientists who do not believe are incompetent; they
lack our expertise.
The New Biology, by Robert Augros and George Stanciu, highlights on
page 188 some of the statements of prominent scientists who brush God
aside: "The common opinion holds that Darwin rid biology of the need
for God once and for all. Eldredge says, Darwin 'taught us that we can
understand life's history in purely naturalistic terms, without
recourse to the supernatural or divine.' Julian Huxley said:
'Darwinism removed the whole idea of God as a creator of organisms
from the sphere of rational discussion.' Jacob writes: 'The idea that
each species was separately designed by a Creator, was demolished by
Darwin.' And Simpson writes of the origin of the first organism:
'There is, at any rate, no reason to postulate a miracle. Nor is it
necessary to suppose that the origin of the new processes of
reproduction and mutation was anything but materialistic.'"
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution is private property |
01 Jan 2006 10:00:19 PM |
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In alt.atheism, LunarSurface
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
wrote
on Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:22:21 -0500
<894eaa60601011722g3adc1b31v3914997cf51ac231@mail.gmail.com>:
All competent scientists believe evolution,' they say. Which also
says, in effect: 'Scientists who do not believe are incompetent; they
lack our expertise.
The New Biology, by Robert Augros and George Stanciu, highlights on
page 188 some of the statements of prominent scientists who brush God
aside: "The common opinion holds that Darwin rid biology of the need
for God once and for all. Eldredge says, Darwin 'taught us that we can
understand life's history in purely naturalistic terms, without
recourse to the supernatural or divine.' Julian Huxley said:
'Darwinism removed the whole idea of God as a creator of organisms
from the sphere of rational discussion.' Jacob writes: 'The idea that
each species was separately designed by a Creator, was demolished by
Darwin.' And Simpson writes of the origin of the first organism:
'There is, at any rate, no reason to postulate a miracle. Nor is it
necessary to suppose that the origin of the new processes of
reproduction and mutation was anything but materialistic.'"
Say what one will about Evolution and the competence (or incompetence)
of those that support it (or oppose it), there is a problem with
the Theory of Intelligent Design, and it's the same problem as
the Problem Of The Uncaused Cause: what created the designer?
Hypothesizing that something outside the Earth created life on
Earth pushes the problem way out into space. While possible (there
are hints of amino acids in various clouds out in space) it is
hardly clear that a deity is needed to explain what is construed
as "irreducible complexity".
And the complexity doesn't look all that irreducible to begin with.
Light-sensitive patch => focusing glob on patch => stimululs patterns
on patch => visual processing => modern Mark I Eyeball. (This is
probably a gross oversimplification, of course.)
Followups to alt.atheism, from whence I read this. (I'd tack on
talk.origins but there are too many newsgroups for its moderatorbots
to accept, and ID's been discussed there in some form to death anyway.)
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution is private property |
02 Jan 2006 08:18:38 AM |
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LunarSurface <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
news:894eaa60601011722g3adc1b31v3914997cf51ac231@mail.gmail.com:
All competent scientists believe evolution,' they say. Which also
says, in effect: 'Scientists who do not believe are incompetent; they
lack our expertise.
Scientists "believe in" empirical observation and rigorous logic.
Evolution is the data from which Darwin derived his theory of natural
selection. Even if you reject Darwin's explanation of it, you still have
the data to account for. Creationists simply refuse to accept the data,
engaging in a variety of rather un-Christian behaviours in order to justify
their attitude.
Evolution is no more (and no less) "Godless" than gravitation or
thermodynamics.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution is private property |
01 Jan 2006 09:17:39 PM |
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LunarSurface wrote:
All competent scientists believe evolution,' they say.
Lying will not help you. Competent scientists _accept_ evolutionary theory
as the best explanation by far for the variety of lifeforms we find sharing
the planet with us today. "Belief" implies that there is no reason - no
evidence - for accepting this scientific theory.
By the way, it's about "scientific" (HA!) creationism. Many scientists
indeed believe that the universe has been created (by whomever), but they
realize that this can't be proven _scientifically._
Next time you want to rant about evolutionary theory, take some time to
learn about it first.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
Why I am not a christian:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus/nojebus
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| User: "satyr" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution is private property |
02 Jan 2006 12:43:54 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:22:21 -0500, LunarSurface
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
All competent scientists believe evolution,' they say. Which also
says, in effect: 'Scientists who do not believe are incompetent; they
lack our expertise.
The New Biology, by Robert Augros and George Stanciu, highlights on
page 188 some of the statements of prominent scientists who brush God
aside: "The common opinion holds that Darwin rid biology of the need
for God once and for all. Eldredge says, Darwin 'taught us that we can
understand life's history in purely naturalistic terms, without
recourse to the supernatural or divine.' Julian Huxley said:
'Darwinism removed the whole idea of God as a creator of organisms
from the sphere of rational discussion.' Jacob writes: 'The idea that
each species was separately designed by a Creator, was demolished by
Darwin.' And Simpson writes of the origin of the first organism:
'There is, at any rate, no reason to postulate a miracle. Nor is it
necessary to suppose that the origin of the new processes of
reproduction and mutation was anything but materialistic.'"
This guy is so influential that I counted all of ten posts on Usenet
(including yours) which mention him. The most recent prior to today
was in 2001.
This book is no longer in print. I couldn't find an original
publication date for it but Augros' other book was published in 1943.
The most relevant thing we can say about this book is that it's not.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution is private property |
02 Jan 2006 04:45:18 AM |
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:22:21 -0500, LunarSurface
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
All competent scientists believe evolution,' they say. Which also
says, in effect: 'Scientists who do not believe are incompetent; they
lack our expertise.
Liar. They don't need to "believe in" facts.
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