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Religions > Atheism |
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"LunarSurface" |
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01 Jan 2006 07:12:39 AM |
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Evolution or Fantasy? |
Forficula wrote:
Hi,
It may be true that the theory of
evolution is not perfect and there is much we do not fully understand,
At last an honest individual. What is not fully understood, can not be
duplicated nor falsified is taught in our public school systems here
in America as an absolute fact.
but at least it aims to explain the facts as we see them.
I can take those same facts and claim terraforming by aliens.
Speculation is ok, but when speculation is taught as science. I have a
problem with this.
Sure, changes
in understanding will be made, but that is part of furthering the
clarity with which we understand the world.
As long as it kept under the same umbrella. If you have read some of
these threads, you will notice how scientists who has an alternative
views point are radicalized, or ignored, because they are not
biologists. they do not know what they are talking about.
Knocking science is never going to be effective, not least because,
whatever you may think of the world, virtually everything we do, from
computers to medicine, farming and whatever you are doing today is
reliant upon scientific understanding.
Nobody is knocking science. Bur when science becomes the ultimate
authority, and it is use to further an atheist agenda, then there are
serious problems and Academians need to revisit the role of science
and it effects on human nature.
If you choose to believe in a creator, that's fine, but ask yourself
this - where did s/he come from?
That is every easy. Where did energy and matter come from?
d
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| User: "Lörd Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy? |
01 Jan 2006 08:50:23 AM |
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LunarSurface <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> had me ROTFL with:
news:894eaa60601010512j252438a6sc544c42b4f64c83f@mail.gmail.com:
That is every easy. Where did energy and matter come from?
If you believe the godless atheist theory, it is that they have always
existed, WILL always exist (BTW, energy can't be destroyed, just re-
distributed in another form, like matter)
The first law of thermodynamics, but of course, you KNEW that, I was just
pointing that out for the kiddies that might be watching and reading along.
The highly scientific THEIST theory is "goddidit"
--
Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy? |
01 Jan 2006 08:59:34 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:50:23 GMT, "Lörd Phÿltêr"
<phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote:
LunarSurface <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> had me ROTFL with:
news:894eaa60601010512j252438a6sc544c42b4f64c83f@mail.gmail.com:
That is every easy. Where did energy and matter come from?
If you believe the godless atheist theory, it is that they have always
existed, WILL always exist (BTW, energy can't be destroyed, just re-
distributed in another form, like matter)
Actually modern cosmology treats the universe as a zero sum. Matter
plus energy plus antimatter plus gravity all add up to zero.
The first law of thermodynamics, but of course, you KNEW that, I was just
pointing that out for the kiddies that might be watching and reading along.
The highly scientific THEIST theory is "goddidit"
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| User: "Lörd Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy? |
01 Jan 2006 09:07:49 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:gdrfr19il43simovff1cveubvj1a9cds2a@4ax.com:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:50:23 GMT, "Lörd Phÿltêr"
<phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote:
LunarSurface <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> had me ROTFL with:
news:894eaa60601010512j252438a6sc544c42b4f64c83f@mail.gmail.com:
That is every easy. Where did energy and matter come from?
If you believe the godless atheist theory, it is that they have always
existed, WILL always exist (BTW, energy can't be destroyed, just re-
distributed in another form, like matter)
Actually modern cosmology treats the universe as a zero sum. Matter
plus energy plus antimatter plus gravity all add up to zero.
That old man Withers gets sneakier and sneakier.....Scoobie???
--
Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Koi-lo" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy or cross-posting to off-topic NGs........ |
01 Jan 2006 10:12:47 AM |
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"Lörd Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns973EEB4CBB581cogitoergosum@61.9.191.5...
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:gdrfr19il43simovff1cveubvj1a9cds2a@4ax.com:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:50:23 GMT, "Lörd Phÿltêr"
<phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote:
LunarSurface <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> had me ROTFL with:
news:894eaa60601010512j252438a6sc544c42b4f64c83f@mail.gmail.com:
That is every easy. Where did energy and matter come from?
=====================================
Not from pond and the Jehovah's Witness NGs. Please remove irrelevant and
off-topic NGs from these Jabriol threads if you must reply to his bait.
Thanks!
Koi-lo.......
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy? |
01 Jan 2006 07:41:17 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 14:50:23 GMT, "Lörd Phÿltêr"
<phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote:
LunarSurface <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> had me ROTFL with:
news:894eaa60601010512j252438a6sc544c42b4f64c83f@mail.gmail.com:
That is every easy. Where did energy and matter come from?
If you believe the godless atheist theory, it is that they have always
existed, WILL always exist (BTW, energy can't be destroyed, just re-
distributed in another form, like matter)
Actually modern cosmology treats the universe as a zero sum. Matter
plus energy plus antimatter plus gravity all add up to zero.
Not really. Matter should have formed in equal parts matter
and anti-matter. Soon after formation they should have mutually
destroyed themselves. This did not happen. And we see no large
amounts of anti-matter. It s nota zero sum game, and that is
one of the central problems of physics and cosmology. Why isn't
the Universe existant as it is, it should not be.
--
Happy Hogmanay!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Thurisaz the Einherjer" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy? |
01 Jan 2006 07:19:35 AM |
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LunarSurface wrote:
At last an honest individual. What is not fully understood, can not be
duplicated nor falsified is taught in our public school systems here
in America as an absolute fact.
Thanks for demonstrating your complete ignorance of the fact AND theory of
evolution.
--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
Why I am not a christian:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus/nojebus
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy? |
01 Jan 2006 07:51:14 AM |
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LunarSurface wrote:
Forficula wrote:
Hi,
It may be true that the theory of
evolution is not perfect and there is much we do not fully understand,
At last an honest individual. What is not fully understood, can not be
duplicated nor falsified is taught in our public school systems here
in America as an absolute fact.
but at least it aims to explain the facts as we see them.
I can take those same facts and claim terraforming by aliens.
Speculation is ok, but when speculation is taught as science. I have a
problem with this.
Yet another pig-ignorant cretin. Who cares what problems you might have.
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy? |
02 Jan 2006 06:29:02 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:12:39 -0500, LunarSurface
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
Forficula wrote:
Hi,
It may be true that the theory of
evolution is not perfect and there is much we do not fully understand,
At last an honest individual.
Unlike you.
What is not fully understood, can not be
duplicated nor falsified is taught in our public school systems here
in America as an absolute fact.
Evolution is a commonly observed fact. Sucks for you bronze age
fuckheads and your superstition.
but at least it aims to explain the facts as we see them.
I can take those same facts and claim terraforming by aliens.
Speculation is ok, but when speculation is taught as science. I have a
problem with this.
Poor poor transparent dishonest toddler.
Damn you people are rock stupid.
[]
Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Evolution or Fantasy? |
01 Jan 2006 08:41:27 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:12:39 -0500, in alt.atheism , LunarSurface
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> in
<894eaa60601010512j252438a6sc544c42b4f64c83f@mail.gmail.com> wrote:
Forficula wrote:
Hi,
It may be true that the theory of
evolution is not perfect and there is much we do not fully understand,
At last an honest individual. What is not fully understood, can not be
duplicated nor falsified is taught in our public school systems here
in America as an absolute fact.
Please give me three examples of some thing that is "fully
understood". The American Revolution? Nope. Gravity? Nope. Disease?
Nope. _Hamlet_? Nope.
but at least it aims to explain the facts as we see them.
I can take those same facts and claim terraforming by aliens.
Only aliens that work to make it look like they were not involved,
aliens with a host of arbitrary unevidenced characteristics you make
up as you go along.
Speculation is ok, but when speculation is taught as science. I have a
problem with this.
How is evolution more speculative than physics or geology or
astronomy?
Sure, changes
in understanding will be made, but that is part of furthering the
clarity with which we understand the world.
As long as it kept under the same umbrella. If you have read some of
these threads, you will notice how scientists who has an alternative
views point are radicalized, or ignored, because they are not
biologists. they do not know what they are talking about.
Wow, scientists making comments outside their field are not treated
like people who actually work in the field. For some reason scientists
pay more attention to ideas with actual evidence in support and people
with appropriate domain knowledge.
Knocking science is never going to be effective, not least because,
whatever you may think of the world, virtually everything we do, from
computers to medicine, farming and whatever you are doing today is
reliant upon scientific understanding.
Nobody is knocking science.
Try Phillip Johnson. Try any creationist who complains about
naturalism or materialism.
Bur when science becomes the ultimate
authority, and it is use to further an atheist agenda, then there are
serious problems and Academians need to revisit the role of science
and it effects on human nature.
How is "use" to further an agenda a complaint about the thing?
Evolution is right or wrong regardless of how people use the ideas
outside of science.
If you choose to believe in a creator, that's fine, but ask yourself
this - where did s/he come from?
That is every easy. Where did energy and matter come from?
ROTFLMAO. The sum total of energy in the Universe seems very close to
0. It may well be that this was a free lunch.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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