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"DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD" |
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25 May 2004 07:35:56 AM |
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Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind. This attitutde of disdain for the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important explanatory information of a
non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling of devisiveness and creates a breed
of anti-social and anti-logic species. In ways unintented albeit affected,
evolutionism's believers could possibly be changing the wave of evolutionism in
homo sapiens toward a non-progressive and highly probable, digressive, step.
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be unconsciously having
a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly already led to
several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk for disease.
"claims that believing the first cell originated by chance is like believing a
tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and form a
Boeing 747" Sir Fred Hoyle
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| User: "Marvin" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 08:56:30 AM |
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"DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD" <naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol>
wrote in message
news:20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com...
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain
other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general
lack of evidence and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and
theoretical assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind. This attitutde
of disdain for the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important
explanatory information of a
non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling of devisiveness
and creates a breed
of anti-social and anti-logic species. In ways unintented
albeit affected,
evolutionism's believers could possibly be changing the wave
of evolutionism in
homo sapiens toward a non-progressive and highly probable,
digressive, step.
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be
unconsciously having
a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly
already led to
several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk for
disease.
"claims that believing the first cell originated by chance
is like believing a
tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane
parts and form a
Boeing 747" Sir Fred Hoyle
Somehow I can't help thinking that the "Oh, yeah? Well, so
are you!" comeback of my childhood is an entirely fitting
response to your unsubstantiated charge. It certainly makes
as much sense.
I am a strong believer in freedom of (and, of course, *from*)
religion. I think it's pretty clear that without it there is
no such thing as a free people. The result is that we have to
put up with people who confuse logic with superstition and
accept a source's protestations of truth as proof of itself.
The fact that our frustration with such foolishness
occasionally boils over into an "attitude of disdain for the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important explanatory
information of a non-evolutionistic method," to use your
words, should be understood in the light of the repeated
attempts by knowledgeable people here to explain why the
"important explanatory information of a non-evolutionistic
method" is neither important nor explanatory.
I can only speak for myself here, but I have no problem with
people who refuse to accept evidence and insist on believing
in scientifically unsupportable things. I grew up among such
people, and I know them to be well-meaning, good-hearted
people. I have no objection to your attempts to "witness" to
the heathens here at a.a, either. It is your right to do so,
and I've learned a great deal from these exchanges--not what
you hoped I would learn, but a great deal just the same.
Since becoming an unbeliever I've gained a much better
understanding of the nature of faith. Attempts to apply
evidence and proof are denials of faith, and it seems to me
that the so-called scientific creationism and intelligent
design doctrines being pushed by evangelicals reflect a
recognition by church leadership that they're losing control
of their flocks. It isn't normal for people to blindly
believe without evidence. Since there is no evidence to
support many of their claims, the only recourse is to attack
and discredit the evidence that does exist, counting on
people's natural reluctance to change and people's general
ignorance of scientific method.
--
Marvin, AB, CD, EfG
To reply, burn off fog.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 10:04:22 AM |
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"DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD" <naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol> wrote in
message news:20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com...
It seems to me highly obvious
....that you're an idiot.
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| User: "turk" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 10:08:28 AM |
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"DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD" <naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol> wrote in
message news:20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com...
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence
and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical
assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind. This attitutde of disdain for
the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important explanatory information
of a
non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling of devisiveness and creates a
breed
of anti-social and anti-logic species. In ways unintented albeit affected,
evolutionism's believers could possibly be changing the wave of
evolutionism in
homo sapiens toward a non-progressive and highly probable, digressive,
step.
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be unconsciously
having
a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly already led to
several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk for disease.
"claims that believing the first cell originated by chance is like
believing a
tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and form
a
Boeing 747" Sir Fred Hoyle
There's just something terribly ironic about people who sit at a keyboard in
front of a competer monitor and place messages on internet chat boards
whining that science doesn't work.
turk
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 02:36:05 PM |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:08:28 +0000 in episode <MjJsc.288$Ly.164@attbi_s01>
we saw our hero "turk" <turk96@attbi.com>:
"DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD" <naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol> wrote in
message news:20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com...
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of
evidence
and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical
assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind. This attitutde of disdain
for
the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important explanatory
information
of a
non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling of devisiveness and creates
a
breed
of anti-social and anti-logic species. In ways unintented albeit
affected, evolutionism's believers could possibly be changing the wave
of
evolutionism in
homo sapiens toward a non-progressive and highly probable, digressive,
step.
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be unconsciously
having
a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly already led
to several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk for disease.
"claims that believing the first cell originated by chance is like
believing a
tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and
form
a
Boeing 747" Sir Fred Hoyle
There's just something terribly ironic about people who sit at a keyboard
in front of a competer monitor and place messages on internet chat boards
whining that science doesn't work.
"Ironic" ain't even the word...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "James Bremner" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
26 May 2004 06:55:39 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.05.25.19.36.04.576507@hoo.com-amikchi>...
On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:08:28 +0000 in episode <MjJsc.288$Ly.164@attbi_s01>
we saw our hero "turk" <turk96@attbi.com>:
"DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD" <naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol> wrote in
message news:20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com...
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of
evidence
and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical
assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind. This attitutde of disdain
for
the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important explanatory
information
of a
non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling of devisiveness and creates
a
breed
of anti-social and anti-logic species. In ways unintented albeit
affected, evolutionism's believers could possibly be changing the wave
of
evolutionism in
homo sapiens toward a non-progressive and highly probable, digressive,
step.
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be unconsciously
having
a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly already led
to several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk for disease.
"claims that believing the first cell originated by chance is like
believing a
tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and
form
a
Boeing 747" Sir Fred Hoyle
There's just something terribly ironic about people who sit at a keyboard
in front of a competer monitor and place messages on internet chat boards
whining that science doesn't work.
"Ironic" ain't even the word...
Don't ya think?
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| User: "JPG" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 11:37:09 AM |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:08:28 GMT, "turk" <turk96@attbi.com> wrote:
"DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD" <naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol> wrote in
message news:20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com...
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence
and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical
assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind. This attitutde of disdain for
the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important explanatory information
of a
non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling of devisiveness and creates a
breed
of anti-social and anti-logic species. In ways unintented albeit affected,
evolutionism's believers could possibly be changing the wave of
evolutionism in
homo sapiens toward a non-progressive and highly probable, digressive,
step.
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be unconsciously
having
a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly already led to
several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk for disease.
"claims that believing the first cell originated by chance is like
believing a
tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and form
a
Boeing 747" Sir Fred Hoyle
There's just something terribly ironic about people who sit at a keyboard in
front of a competer monitor and place messages on internet chat boards
whining that science doesn't work.
No to mention hypocritical. How can they enjoy the fruits of a rational
worldview whilst denying one of its most robust theories? The cognitive
dissonance in what passes for their brains must be positively deafening. Or
perhaps they are just dishonest, falsely imbuing their bigoted viewpoints with
some sort of religious authority in order that they may appeal to the
bible-soaked masses.
JPG
turk
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| User: "SReeseMe" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 07:22:22 PM |
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Subject: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact
From: naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol (DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD)
Date: 05/25/2004 8:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com>
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind.
Sadly for you funDUHmentalists types the amount of evidence that supports
evolution, biology, genetics, geology, archeology, geo-physics, astronomy,
astrophysics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, etc that disproves your biblical
mythology can literally fill a library.
Whereas the evidence supporting your creationist mythology won't even fill the
back of a postage stamp.
-Stephen
(remaining ***** snipped)
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| User: "Another Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 07:37:12 PM |
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"SReeseMe" <sreeseme@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040525202222.28998.00001088@mb-m22.aol.com...
Subject: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact
From: naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol (DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD)
Date: 05/25/2004 8:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com>
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence
and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical
assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind.
Sadly for you funDUHmentalists types the amount of evidence that supports
evolution, biology, genetics, geology, archeology, geo-physics, astronomy,
astrophysics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, etc that disproves your
biblical
mythology can literally fill a library.
Whereas the evidence supporting your creationist mythology won't even fill
the
back of a postage stamp.
-Stephen
(remaining ***** snipped)
It's funny how science works for them when they want to evangelize the world
via satellite, use electricity in the church, drive a car, take a trip on an
airplane, etc. But when science contradicts the so-called word of god, it's
all wrong!
Irony-meter status: Needle pegged, bent and unit is smoking.
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| User: "Dixit" |
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| Title: Re: The Law of Evolution |
01 Jun 2004 01:54:28 PM |
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DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD wrote:
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"claims that believing the first cell originated by chance ..." Sir Fred Hoyle
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Straw man. The law [which simply means 'the observed regularity'] of
evolution is that all life forms are observed to evolve over time, it
says nothing at all about the origin of life, knucklehead.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 01:03:07 PM |
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Great Lord naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol (DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD),
braving the raging storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on
25 May 2004 12:35:56 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind.
You are kidding, right?
There are mountasins of evidence for evolution. Hell, highschool
students can do a simple experiment to demonstrate evolution with
bacteria!
You want arrogance? Try this:
Creationist: "God created the universe."
Me: "How can you prove that?"
Creationist: "Because the Bible says so!"
That pretty much sums up the creationist position.. I believe it, and
that makes it true. Sorry, sir, but science demands more. Evolution
has delivered the needed proof, and more.
Sorry you have aproblem with reality, but I suggest you learn to cope.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 07:36:57 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD poured fuel
on the fire with the following:
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This attitutde of disdain for the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important explanatory information of a
non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling of devisiveness and creates a breed
of anti-social and anti-logic species. In ways unintented albeit affected,
evolutionism's believers could possibly be changing the wave of evolutionism in
homo sapiens toward a non-progressive and highly probable, digressive, step.
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be unconsciously having
a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly already led to
several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk for disease.
LOL !!
This is amateur psychology at it's finest. It is hardly surprising that
you cannot get people to take your ideas seriously.
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Regards,
Josef
Nothing, and no one, should be placed beyond the bounds of rational
criticism.
-- Graham Priest
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
26 May 2004 02:02:17 AM |
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In article <20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com>,
naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol (DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD) wrote:
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence
I suppose that over 150 years of scientific research and thousands of
scientific publications don't count.
Speaking of evidence, let's see your evidence for a creator.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 10:16:19 AM |
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On 25 May 2004 12:35:56 GMT, naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol (DrDarwin
Brainwasher PhD) wrote:
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence and
fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical assumptions
mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind. This attitutde of disdain for the
opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important explanatory information of a
non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling of devisiveness and creates a breed
of anti-social and anti-logic species. In ways unintented albeit affected,
evolutionism's believers could possibly be changing the wave of evolutionism in
homo sapiens toward a non-progressive and highly probable, digressive, step.
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be unconsciously having
a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly already led to
several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk for disease.
"claims that believing the first cell originated by chance is like believing a
tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and form a
Boeing 747" Sir Fred Hoyle
As long as the ignorant christers believe ear-candy like this, there
probably is no hope for them. Give up on them. Let them wallow in
their self-inflicted ignorance. The best we can hope for is the
continued education of today's youth. If they can stop believing in
Santa Claus, perhaps they can stop believing in their parent's Santa.
I am embarrassed to be from the same gene pool as primates such as
this poster. When "goddiddit" becomes the limit of their
understanding, how could they possibly understand reality?
As for the little quote...this is typical for christers.They love this
stuff. If they can't see through the logical errors in one sentence,
how can we hope that they will understand the real world? Give up on
them, let them live in the god-fog. They will die, become worm food,
and never realize that they wasted their life believing in Santa.
Someday this "god" fantasy will die out.
zamboni
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 09:08:35 AM |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:35:56 +0000 in episode
<20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com> we saw our hero
naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol (DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD):
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence
If you ignore that century and a half deep pile of evidence maybe...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 11:59:13 AM |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:35:56 +0000, DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD wrote:
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of evidence
and fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and theoretical
"General lack of evidence and fact [supporting the theory of evolution]?"
It's just a hunch, but I suspect that you don't have much education in
biology, do you?
The TOE was developed in order to explain the evidence that evolution has
occurred, which was not satisfactorily explained by the bible story called
"creationism."
assumptions mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind. This attitutde
of disdain for the opposition's viewpoint and rejection of important
explanatory information of a non-evolutionistic method fosters a feeling
"important explanatory information of a non-evolutionistic [sic] method"?
If such information were to be presented, the scientists of the world
would be happy to examine it. Arguments from ignorance don't count,
nor does wild speculation about magical beings with no supporting
evidence.
of devisiveness and creates a breed of anti-social and anti-logic
species. In ways unintented albeit affected, evolutionism's believers
could possibly be changing the wave of evolutionism in homo sapiens
toward a non-progressive and highly probable, digressive, step.
??? You got an "A" in "Creative obfuscation 101", didn't you?
Concscious human evolutionism religious believers might be unconsciously
having a negative effect on natural selection. This has reportedly
already led to several deaths and a general tendency for greater risk
???
for disease. "claims that believing the first cell originated by chance
is like believing a tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with
airplane parts and form a Boeing 747" Sir Fred Hoyle
Working on a project for "Incoherency 101"?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Eric Gill" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 04:11:55 PM |
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naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol (DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD) wrote in
news:20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com:
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of
evidence and fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and
theoretical assumptions mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind.
You meant to spell "materialistic" "Creationist".
Or not, and you are simply a poor grade of amoral liar.
<snip>
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Evolutionism vs. Creationism: Fiction vs. Fact |
25 May 2004 08:19:32 AM |
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naturiecentauri@aol.compukeevol (DrDarwin Brainwasher PhD) wrote in
news:20040525083556.22456.00001239@mb-m29.aol.com:
It seems to me highly obvious in this newsgroup and certain other
evolutionistic supporting groups that there is a general lack of
evidence and fact but an overwhelming amount of philosophical and
theoretical assumptions mostly of a materialistic and arrogant kind.
This attitutde of disdain for the opposition's viewpoint and rejection
of important explanatory information of a non-evolutionistic method
When you fools have something scientific to support your position, you
might get a little respect. Until then, all you seem to do is whine that
science doesn't support your fairy tale god having done it all.
(snip remainder of stupidity)
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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