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Ex-page says he got messages from homo/pedo Foley |
Ex-page says he got messages from Foley
By GREG BLUESTEIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
Tyson Vivyan, 26, speaks about former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley during an
interview in Atlanta, Thursday, Oct. 5, 2006. Vivyan claims Foley sent
him sexually suggestive messages after he served as a congressional
page 10 years ago. He said Thursday that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997. (AP Photo/Ric Feld)
ATLANTA -- A former congressional page said Thursday he received
sexually suggestive messages from then-Rep. Mark Foley in 1997.
Tyson Vivyan's account appears to show the earliest exchange of
suggestive messages reported so far between Foley and teens who had
served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the
earliest contacts in 2003.
Vivyan, 26, told The Associated Press that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997.
Vivyan, who gave interviews this week to other media, said he never met
Foley personally during his stint as a page, other than brief greetings
while working in the cloakroom beside the House chamber where members
take breaks.
A few months later, he said, he started getting instant messages via
computer from a person with the screen name MAF54, which has been
linked in news reports to Foley. He said he wasn't sure who it was, but
the person knew his name and physical description. He said the person
asked personal questions, such as his sexual orientation.
Vivyan said he figured the person had to be on Capitol Hill, and began
looking up initials in a congressional guide. He said that when he
found Foley's initials - MAF, born in 1954 - he realized who it was.
"It was almost surreal. Not only was I conversing with a congressman in
a personal manner, I was conversing in a sexual manner," Vivyan said.
After he guessed it was Foley, the person continued to contact him.
Vivyan said he tried to turn the talk to politics. Foley would often
stop talking and contact him a week later with suggestive messages.
Vivyan also said he was invited to Foley's brownstone in Washington.
Vivyan said he didn't want to go alone, so brought a fellow page with
him. He said they had pizza and soft drinks, and nothing sexual
happened.
David Roth, attorney for the Florida Republican former congressman,
declined to comment on the allegations.
Foley, 52, resigned Friday. He has since entered an alcohol
rehabilitation facility at an undisclosed location. Through his lawyer,
he has said he is gay but denied any sexual contact with minors.
Vivyan said he was nominated as a page by Rep. John. J. Duncan, R-Tenn.
Don Walker, Duncan's deputy chief of staff, confirmed Thursday to the
AP that Vivyan was a page from Duncan's district.
"We did not get any complaints form him while he was a page or after he
was a page or anytime thereafter until Monday," Walker said. "As soon
as we learned of it we turned it over to the authorities."
Vivyan said he was interviewed this week by the FBI. FBI spokesman
Stephen Emmett in Atlanta declined comment.
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05 Oct 2006 03:31:22 PM |
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bobandcarole schrieb:
Ex-page says he got messages from Foley
By GREG BLUESTEIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
Having your daily obsession with homosexuality again, Mr. closet-gay?
Tyson Vivyan, 26, speaks about former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley during an
interview in Atlanta, Thursday, Oct. 5, 2006. Vivyan claims Foley sent
him sexually suggestive messages after he served as a congressional
page 10 years ago. He said Thursday that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997. (AP Photo/Ric Feld)
ATLANTA -- A former congressional page said Thursday he received
sexually suggestive messages from then-Rep. Mark Foley in 1997.
Tyson Vivyan's account appears to show the earliest exchange of
suggestive messages reported so far between Foley and teens who had
served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the
earliest contacts in 2003.
Vivyan, 26, told The Associated Press that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997.
Vivyan, who gave interviews this week to other media, said he never met
Foley personally during his stint as a page, other than brief greetings
while working in the cloakroom beside the House chamber where members
take breaks.
A few months later, he said, he started getting instant messages via
computer from a person with the screen name MAF54, which has been
linked in news reports to Foley. He said he wasn't sure who it was, but
the person knew his name and physical description. He said the person
asked personal questions, such as his sexual orientation.
Vivyan said he figured the person had to be on Capitol Hill, and began
looking up initials in a congressional guide. He said that when he
found Foley's initials - MAF, born in 1954 - he realized who it was.
"It was almost surreal. Not only was I conversing with a congressman in
a personal manner, I was conversing in a sexual manner," Vivyan said.
After he guessed it was Foley, the person continued to contact him.
Vivyan said he tried to turn the talk to politics. Foley would often
stop talking and contact him a week later with suggestive messages.
Vivyan also said he was invited to Foley's brownstone in Washington.
Vivyan said he didn't want to go alone, so brought a fellow page with
him. He said they had pizza and soft drinks, and nothing sexual
happened.
David Roth, attorney for the Florida Republican former congressman,
declined to comment on the allegations.
Foley, 52, resigned Friday. He has since entered an alcohol
rehabilitation facility at an undisclosed location. Through his lawyer,
he has said he is gay but denied any sexual contact with minors.
Vivyan said he was nominated as a page by Rep. John. J. Duncan, R-Tenn.
Don Walker, Duncan's deputy chief of staff, confirmed Thursday to the
AP that Vivyan was a page from Duncan's district.
"We did not get any complaints form him while he was a page or after he
was a page or anytime thereafter until Monday," Walker said. "As soon
as we learned of it we turned it over to the authorities."
Vivyan said he was interviewed this week by the FBI. FBI spokesman
Stephen Emmett in Atlanta declined comment.
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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05 Oct 2006 03:43:21 PM |
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Parsifal wrote:
bobandcarole schrieb:
Ex-page says he got messages from Foley
By GREG BLUESTEIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
Having your daily obsession with homosexuality again, Mr. closet-gay?
Awwww, are you sad that your hero finally got busted???
Tyson Vivyan, 26, speaks about former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley during an
interview in Atlanta, Thursday, Oct. 5, 2006. Vivyan claims Foley sent
him sexually suggestive messages after he served as a congressional
page 10 years ago. He said Thursday that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997. (AP Photo/Ric Feld)
ATLANTA -- A former congressional page said Thursday he received
sexually suggestive messages from then-Rep. Mark Foley in 1997.
Tyson Vivyan's account appears to show the earliest exchange of
suggestive messages reported so far between Foley and teens who had
served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the
earliest contacts in 2003.
Vivyan, 26, told The Associated Press that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997.
Vivyan, who gave interviews this week to other media, said he never met
Foley personally during his stint as a page, other than brief greetings
while working in the cloakroom beside the House chamber where members
take breaks.
A few months later, he said, he started getting instant messages via
computer from a person with the screen name MAF54, which has been
linked in news reports to Foley. He said he wasn't sure who it was, but
the person knew his name and physical description. He said the person
asked personal questions, such as his sexual orientation.
Vivyan said he figured the person had to be on Capitol Hill, and began
looking up initials in a congressional guide. He said that when he
found Foley's initials - MAF, born in 1954 - he realized who it was.
"It was almost surreal. Not only was I conversing with a congressman in
a personal manner, I was conversing in a sexual manner," Vivyan said.
After he guessed it was Foley, the person continued to contact him.
Vivyan said he tried to turn the talk to politics. Foley would often
stop talking and contact him a week later with suggestive messages.
Vivyan also said he was invited to Foley's brownstone in Washington.
Vivyan said he didn't want to go alone, so brought a fellow page with
him. He said they had pizza and soft drinks, and nothing sexual
happened.
David Roth, attorney for the Florida Republican former congressman,
declined to comment on the allegations.
Foley, 52, resigned Friday. He has since entered an alcohol
rehabilitation facility at an undisclosed location. Through his lawyer,
he has said he is gay but denied any sexual contact with minors.
Vivyan said he was nominated as a page by Rep. John. J. Duncan, R-Tenn.
Don Walker, Duncan's deputy chief of staff, confirmed Thursday to the
AP that Vivyan was a page from Duncan's district.
"We did not get any complaints form him while he was a page or after he
was a page or anytime thereafter until Monday," Walker said. "As soon
as we learned of it we turned it over to the authorities."
Vivyan said he was interviewed this week by the FBI. FBI spokesman
Stephen Emmett in Atlanta declined comment.
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06 Oct 2006 08:57:12 PM |
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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05 Oct 2006 03:49:09 PM |
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bobandcarole wrote:
Ex-page says he got messages from Foley
By GREG BLUESTEIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
Tyson Vivyan, 26, speaks about former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley during an
interview in Atlanta, Thursday, Oct. 5, 2006. Vivyan claims Foley sent
him sexually suggestive messages after he served as a congressional
page 10 years ago. He said Thursday that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997. (AP Photo/Ric Feld)
ATLANTA -- A former congressional page said Thursday he received
sexually suggestive messages from then-Rep. Mark Foley in 1997.
Tyson Vivyan's account appears to show the earliest exchange of
suggestive messages reported so far between Foley and teens who had
served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the
earliest contacts in 2003.
Vivyan, 26, told The Associated Press that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997.
Vivyan, who gave interviews this week to other media, said he never met
Foley personally during his stint as a page, other than brief greetings
while working in the cloakroom beside the House chamber where members
take breaks.
A few months later, he said, he started getting instant messages via
computer from a person with the screen name MAF54, which has been
linked in news reports to Foley. He said he wasn't sure who it was, but
the person knew his name and physical description. He said the person
asked personal questions, such as his sexual orientation.
Vivyan said he figured the person had to be on Capitol Hill, and began
looking up initials in a congressional guide. He said that when he
found Foley's initials - MAF, born in 1954 - he realized who it was.
"It was almost surreal. Not only was I conversing with a congressman in
a personal manner, I was conversing in a sexual manner," Vivyan said.
After he guessed it was Foley, the person continued to contact him.
Vivyan said he tried to turn the talk to politics. Foley would often
stop talking and contact him a week later with suggestive messages.
Vivyan also said he was invited to Foley's brownstone in Washington.
Vivyan said he didn't want to go alone, so brought a fellow page with
him. He said they had pizza and soft drinks, and nothing sexual
happened.
David Roth, attorney for the Florida Republican former congressman,
declined to comment on the allegations.
Foley, 52, resigned Friday. He has since entered an alcohol
rehabilitation facility at an undisclosed location. Through his lawyer,
he has said he is gay but denied any sexual contact with minors.
Vivyan said he was nominated as a page by Rep. John. J. Duncan, R-Tenn.
Don Walker, Duncan's deputy chief of staff, confirmed Thursday to the
AP that Vivyan was a page from Duncan's district.
"We did not get any complaints form him while he was a page or after he
was a page or anytime thereafter until Monday," Walker said. "As soon
as we learned of it we turned it over to the authorities."
Vivyan said he was interviewed this week by the FBI. FBI spokesman
Stephen Emmett in Atlanta declined comment.
I had no idea IM existed ten years ago.
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05 Oct 2006 04:54:12 PM |
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On 5 Oct 2006 13:49:09 -0700, "Martha Vandella"
<garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
<1160081349.003451.88480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
bobandcarole wrote:
Ex-page says he got messages from Foley
By GREG BLUESTEIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
Tyson Vivyan, 26, speaks about former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley during an
interview in Atlanta, Thursday, Oct. 5, 2006. Vivyan claims Foley sent
him sexually suggestive messages after he served as a congressional
page 10 years ago. He said Thursday that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997. (AP Photo/Ric Feld)
ATLANTA -- A former congressional page said Thursday he received
sexually suggestive messages from then-Rep. Mark Foley in 1997.
Tyson Vivyan's account appears to show the earliest exchange of
suggestive messages reported so far between Foley and teens who had
served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the
earliest contacts in 2003.
Vivyan, 26, told The Associated Press that Foley began sending him
instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a
page ended in June 1997.
Vivyan, who gave interviews this week to other media, said he never met
Foley personally during his stint as a page, other than brief greetings
while working in the cloakroom beside the House chamber where members
take breaks.
A few months later, he said, he started getting instant messages via
computer from a person with the screen name MAF54, which has been
linked in news reports to Foley. He said he wasn't sure who it was, but
the person knew his name and physical description. He said the person
asked personal questions, such as his sexual orientation.
Vivyan said he figured the person had to be on Capitol Hill, and began
looking up initials in a congressional guide. He said that when he
found Foley's initials - MAF, born in 1954 - he realized who it was.
"It was almost surreal. Not only was I conversing with a congressman in
a personal manner, I was conversing in a sexual manner," Vivyan said.
After he guessed it was Foley, the person continued to contact him.
Vivyan said he tried to turn the talk to politics. Foley would often
stop talking and contact him a week later with suggestive messages.
Vivyan also said he was invited to Foley's brownstone in Washington.
Vivyan said he didn't want to go alone, so brought a fellow page with
him. He said they had pizza and soft drinks, and nothing sexual
happened.
David Roth, attorney for the Florida Republican former congressman,
declined to comment on the allegations.
Foley, 52, resigned Friday. He has since entered an alcohol
rehabilitation facility at an undisclosed location. Through his lawyer,
he has said he is gay but denied any sexual contact with minors.
Vivyan said he was nominated as a page by Rep. John. J. Duncan, R-Tenn.
Don Walker, Duncan's deputy chief of staff, confirmed Thursday to the
AP that Vivyan was a page from Duncan's district.
"We did not get any complaints form him while he was a page or after he
was a page or anytime thereafter until Monday," Walker said. "As soon
as we learned of it we turned it over to the authorities."
Vivyan said he was interviewed this week by the FBI. FBI spokesman
Stephen Emmett in Atlanta declined comment.
I had no idea IM existed ten years ago.
Windows Messenger is older than that. The IRC protocol was developed
in 1989.
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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05 Oct 2006 06:17:51 PM |
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IAAH wrote:
Windows Messenger is older than that. The IRC protocol was developed
in 1989.
When did "regular" people start using it?
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| User: "KK" |
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06 Oct 2006 08:53:06 AM |
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:49:09 -0700, Martha Vandella wrote:
I had no idea IM existed ten years ago.
It did.
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| User: "lab~rat :-" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:19:57 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:53:06 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:49:09 -0700, Martha Vandella wrote:
I had no idea IM existed ten years ago.
It did.
Don't taunt the newbies...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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06 Oct 2006 10:29:28 AM |
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lab~rat >:-) wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:53:06 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:49:09 -0700, Martha Vandella wrote:
I had no idea IM existed ten years ago.
It did.
Don't taunt the newbies...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
I didn't take it as a taunt. I work for a daily newspaper and we
didn't have IM going on back then, but we had a full-blown interactive
business webite by 1989, which is more than anyone else can say. :-)
I'm of the crowd who learns software stuff at work; if work doesn't
have it, then it's not on the radar.
And it could also be that 10 years ago isn't as long as I think it is.
At the rate I'm going, years are months and months are days and days
are moments.
I've been doing email in list server groups since 1993, which of course
doesn't have this foolish 'culture' that usenet has. And it's the
foolishness I'm here for.
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| User: "John Smith ®" |
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06 Oct 2006 02:43:25 PM |
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"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160148568.913106.244760@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
lab~rat >:-) wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:53:06 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:49:09 -0700, Martha Vandella wrote:
I had no idea IM existed ten years ago.
It did.
Don't taunt the newbies...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
I didn't take it as a taunt. I work for a daily newspaper and we
didn't have IM going on back then, but we had a full-blown interactive
business webite by 1989, which is more than anyone else can say. :-)
I'm of the crowd who learns software stuff at work; if work doesn't
have it, then it's not on the radar.
And it could also be that 10 years ago isn't as long as I think it is.
At the rate I'm going, years are months and months are days and days
are moments.
I've been doing email in list server groups since 1993, which of course
doesn't have this foolish 'culture' that usenet has. And it's the
foolishness I'm here for.
Then, Welcome! You will find lots of what you are here for!
--
"Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one
system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty?" - Ted
Kennedy, 1973
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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06 Oct 2006 03:39:43 PM |
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John Smith =AE wrote:
Then, Welcome! You will find lots of what you are here for!
And hopefully, to give. hawwheeehar
How come everyone is now a pedophile, a predator, a victim, a perv,
insane, a moron, and ugly?
I'm pretty sure that things are moving in the direction of total
imbecility and nobody will be happy everyone is a 26 year old gay man.
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| User: "John Smith ®" |
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06 Oct 2006 05:21:53 PM |
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"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160167183.487586.309280@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
John Smith ® wrote:
Then, Welcome! You will find lots of what you are here for!
And hopefully, to give. hawwheeehar
How come everyone is now a pedophile, a predator, a victim, a perv,
insane, a moron, and ugly?
I'm pretty sure that things are moving in the direction of total
imbecility and nobody will be happy everyone is a 26 year old gay man.
You mean you aren't a 26 year old gay man? You better get with the program!
You will find the that the left really likes to make up cute names and
labels for anyone that they don't like. As in the Foley story (it is hard
to tell because the story keeps changing) the left started calling him a
pedophile and child raper for having sex with a 16 year old. Then it
turned out that he didn't have sex with a 16 year old (and as it turns out
the age of consent in DC is 16) so the label changed to predator and perv
(which is probably true - at least the perv part). Then the left changed
tactics and started the "who knew what and when" talking points. It now
turns out that some Dems and several news orginizations may have known all
this last November, making them just as guilty of "not protecting the
children" also. When someone points this out, the left says it is not the
same thing and then calls you insane, a moron, and ugly. See it is simple
to understand.
And again Welcome - which ng are you reading?
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"Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one
system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty?" - Ted
Kennedy, 1973
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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06 Oct 2006 07:09:34 PM |
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John Smith =AE wrote:
You will find the that the left really likes to make up cute names and
labels for anyone that they don't like. As in the Foley story (it is hard
to tell because the story keeps changing) the left started calling him a
pedophile and child raper for having sex with a 16 year old. Then it
turned out that he didn't have sex with a 16 year old (and as it turns out
the age of consent in DC is 16) so the label changed to predator and perv
(which is probably true - at least the perv part). Then the left changed
tactics and started the "who knew what and when" talking points. It now
turns out that some Dems and several news orginizations may have known all
this last November, making them just as guilty of "not protecting the
children" also. When someone points this out, the left says it is not the
same thing and then calls you insane, a moron, and ugly. See it is simple
to understand.
And again Welcome - which ng are you reading?
Who the hell knows. I started out somehow being connected to Celebrity
Gossip by way of alt crime and since a half-dozen groups are randomly
cross-posted I don't even bother looking at where they're from or where
I'm going. hahaa.
Anyway, what was fun with the Foley thing is wondering how the Left
would reconcile his being gay, (Good), with his being republican,
(Bad). So, they did what any good politician does.... they threw him
to the wolves.
And how come homosexual men always act like they only had sex with
other 15 year old boys when they were 15, for instance? It's so
patently and unforgiveably dishonest because that's not how the
homosexual experience develops along into adulthood. There is always
an older man in the time-line. Always. But fag-hags, male and female,
won't admit that. Or perhaps they don't know it and the gay men let
them gabble on, being all ferocious and protective of "their gay
friends". Dunno. It's odd, and it's very interesting.
Personally? I think the world would be a far drearier place if it
weren't for homosexual men. The women I can do without, they're such
horrid old drudges and harridans, but the men bring us vastly more than
we can ever begin to reciprocate. I totally agree with changing the
laws so people can marry their same sex partners; this is America and I
don't have to approve of how you live but I have to give you the same
rights I have.
That said, I think it's ridiculous how afraid everyone is to tell the
gay sphere to ***** if that's how they feel. Just don't punch and
slap.
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06 Oct 2006 03:52:54 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:29:28 -0700, Martha Vandella wrote:
lab~rat >:-) wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:53:06 GMT, KK <_KK_@furburger.net> puked:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:49:09 -0700, Martha Vandella wrote:
I had no idea IM existed ten years ago.
It did.
Don't taunt the newbies...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
I didn't take it as a taunt. I work for a daily newspaper and we
didn't have IM going on back then, but we had a full-blown interactive
business webite by 1989, which is more than anyone else can say. :-)
I'm of the crowd who learns software stuff at work; if work doesn't
have it, then it's not on the radar.
And it could also be that 10 years ago isn't as long as I think it is.
At the rate I'm going, years are months and months are days and days
are moments.
I've been doing email in list server groups since 1993, which of course
doesn't have this foolish 'culture' that usenet has. And it's the
foolishness I'm here for.
Well, you sure came to the right place...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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06 Oct 2006 07:30:31 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:52:54 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:29:28 -0700, Martha Vandella wrote:
I didn't take it as a taunt. I work for a daily newspaper and we
didn't have IM going on back then, but we had a full-blown interactive
business webite by 1989, which is more than anyone else can say. :-)
Well, that would be a neat trick, considering that the Web didn't even
_exist_ until 1993.
I've been doing email in list server groups since 1993, which of course
doesn't have this foolish 'culture' that usenet has. And it's the
foolishness I'm here for.
Well, you sure came to the right place...
Right place, right person, apparently. "There's _always_ an older man?"
Can you say "overgeneralization?"
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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06 Oct 2006 08:26:17 PM |
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Frank Mayhar wrote:
Well, that would be a neat trick, considering that the Web didn't even
_exist_ until 1993.
Will somebody help Frank out, please?
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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06 Oct 2006 08:30:07 PM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 18:26:17 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in
<1160184377.439145.64360@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
Frank Mayhar wrote:
Well, that would be a neat trick, considering that the Web didn't even
_exist_ until 1993.
Will somebody help Frank out, please?
Wikipedia seems to have this one mostly correct:
The first Web site built was at http://info.cern.ch/ [2] [3] and was
first put online on August 6, 1991. It provided an explanation about
what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set
up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since
Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Tim_Berners-Lee>
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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06 Oct 2006 08:56:04 PM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 18:26:17 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in
<1160184377.439145.64360@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
Frank Mayhar wrote:
Well, that would be a neat trick, considering that the Web didn't even
_exist_ until 1993.
Will somebody help Frank out, please?
Wikipedia seems to have this one mostly correct:
The first Web site built was at http://info.cern.ch/ [2] [3] and was
first put online on August 6, 1991. It provided an explanation about
what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set
up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since
Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Tim_Berners-Lee>
Between 1989 and 1990, we put up a website on our own server. By '92,
we could take an order. I have no reason to make this up as my life
has nothing to do with computers aside from using them to write and
email. Makes no never mind to me.
My husband, on the other hand, was involved in internet stuff way back
in the Stone Age because he worked all his life until he retired for
MITRE, in Mass. So I have heard far more about computers and where
they came from and the internet substrate than I ever cared to know. I
was just sticking up for myself about not being a newbie. :-)
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:05:17 PM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 18:56:04 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in
<1160186164.592696.182270@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 18:26:17 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in
<1160184377.439145.64360@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
Frank Mayhar wrote:
Well, that would be a neat trick, considering that the Web didn't even
_exist_ until 1993.
Will somebody help Frank out, please?
Wikipedia seems to have this one mostly correct:
The first Web site built was at http://info.cern.ch/ [2] [3] and was
first put online on August 6, 1991. It provided an explanation about
what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set
up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since
Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Tim_Berners-Lee>
Between 1989 and 1990, we put up a website on our own server.
A website? There was certainly usenet, e-mail, ftp, archie, gopher, and
a few other internet services along with non-internet services like
CompuServe, Prodigy, and America On-Line, but website generally refers
only to documents that are designed for the World Wide Web using http.
By '92,
we could take an order. I have no reason to make this up as my life
has nothing to do with computers aside from using them to write and
email. Makes no never mind to me.
My husband, on the other hand, was involved in internet stuff way back
in the Stone Age because he worked all his life until he retired for
MITRE, in Mass. So I have heard far more about computers and where
they came from and the internet substrate than I ever cared to know. I
was just sticking up for myself about not being a newbie. :-)
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:20:17 PM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
A website? There was certainly usenet, e-mail, ftp, archie, gopher, and
a few other internet services along with non-internet services like
CompuServe, Prodigy, and America On-Line, but website generally refers
only to documents that are designed for the World Wide Web using http.
Then did we have a bunch of modems to our server, that our customers
called into to get on our website to order from? Because our computers
had our homepage, with a picture of our company and what we did, etc.
We could use our computers to place orders from LA to NY, for instance.
And we were getting email for sure.
The farthest I personally go back is having an acoustic coupler that
ran a 300 baud modem. hahahahahah. We thought we were in rocket ships.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:24:13 PM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 19:20:17 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in
<1160187617.267935.274600@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>:
Free Lunch wrote:
A website? There was certainly usenet, e-mail, ftp, archie, gopher, and
a few other internet services along with non-internet services like
CompuServe, Prodigy, and America On-Line, but website generally refers
only to documents that are designed for the World Wide Web using http.
Then did we have a bunch of modems to our server, that our customers
called into to get on our website to order from?
There were business that did that in the late eighties, yes. There were
a lot of BBSs around, both for enthusiasts and for businesses.
Because our computers
had our homepage, with a picture of our company and what we did, etc.
We could use our computers to place orders from LA to NY, for instance.
And we were getting email for sure.
The farthest I personally go back is having an acoustic coupler that
ran a 300 baud modem. hahahahahah. We thought we were in rocket ships.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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07 Oct 2006 12:28:57 AM |
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On 6 Oct 2006 18:56:04 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Martha Vandella"
<garnamaorama@gmail.com> in
<1160186164.592696.182270@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 18:26:17 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in
<1160184377.439145.64360@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
Frank Mayhar wrote:
Well, that would be a neat trick, considering that the Web didn't even
_exist_ until 1993.
Will somebody help Frank out, please?
Wikipedia seems to have this one mostly correct:
The first Web site built was at http://info.cern.ch/ [2] [3] and was
first put online on August 6, 1991. It provided an explanation about
what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set
up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since
Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Tim_Berners-Lee>
Between 1989 and 1990, we put up a website on our own server.
Then you must have been among the first after CERN. The Web was not
invented until 89 and was not out in the public until after
Berners-Lee made the first browser in 1990. CERN did not release WWW
until 1991. Mosaic, the first generally available browser was not
available until 1992.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_browser
http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
By '92,
we could take an order.
Commercial applications were not allowed on the 'net until 1992 at the
earliest and I think it was 1993. Again, you must have been just about
the first.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "FlyGuy" |
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08 Oct 2006 03:37:04 PM |
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In article <6udei2pmoa9dgkrhu37kbn1c3776cgfa6i@4ax.com>,
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Between 1989 and 1990, we put up a website on our own server.
Then you must have been among the first after CERN. The Web was not
invented until 89 and was not out in the public until after
Berners-Lee made the first browser in 1990. CERN did not release WWW
until 1991. Mosaic, the first generally available browser was not
available until 1992.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_browser
http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
I used to browse the web using lynx, which, according to wikipedia was
invented in 1989. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28protocol%29
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Oct 2006 09:14:42 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:37:04 -0700, FlyGuy wrote:
In article <6udei2pmoa9dgkrhu37kbn1c3776cgfa6i@4ax.com>,
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Between 1989 and 1990, we put up a website on our own server.
Then you must have been among the first after CERN. The Web was not
invented until 89 and was not out in the public until after
Berners-Lee made the first browser in 1990. CERN did not release WWW
until 1991. Mosaic, the first generally available browser was not
available until 1992.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_browser
http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
I used to browse the web using lynx, which, according to wikipedia was
invented in 1989. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28protocol%29
But invented originally for BBS use.
BBSes were becoming quite advanced before being displaced by the Net. I
was doing email and Usenet like discussions via FidoNet back before the
Internet was opened to the public.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:57:40 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:56:04 -0700, Martha Vandella wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 18:26:17 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in
<1160184377.439145.64360@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
Frank Mayhar wrote:
Well, that would be a neat trick, considering that the Web didn't even
_exist_ until 1993.
Will somebody help Frank out, please?
Wikipedia seems to have this one mostly correct:
The first Web site built was at http://info.cern.ch/ [2] [3] and was
first put online on August 6, 1991. It provided an explanation about
what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set
up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since
Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Tim_Berners-Lee>
Between 1989 and 1990, we put up a website on our own server. By '92,
we could take an order. I have no reason to make this up as my life
has nothing to do with computers aside from using them to write and
email. Makes no never mind to me.
Sorry but you have to have the dates wrong. The web was first *proposed in
March 1989. Servers only started appearing outside CERN (but still in
Europe) in '91. December 1991 was the advent of the first server in the
US. And before 1993, when Mosaic was released, there were no graphical
browsers except on NEXT computers.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Martha Vandella" |
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06 Oct 2006 11:05:45 PM |
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Sorry but you have to have the dates wrong. The web was first *proposed in
March 1989. Servers only started appearing outside CERN (but still in
Europe) in '91. December 1991 was the advent of the first server in the
US. And before 1993, when Mosaic was released, there were no graphical
browsers except on NEXT computers.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
Why aren't you able to flex your mind enough to actually THINK about
what is was we DID have? The most basic perusal of google history will
show you that many companies were using the internet which that had
nothing to do with the WWW.
Is my sin the fact I used the term website? Assuming that I'm not a
liar, which is the first premise two people have to establish in order
to exchange information, then what would YOU like me to call it? A
picture of our company on the screens of our computers that our
customers saw when they dialed into our servers, and from which we
conducted email and orders and inventory?
You guys are about as fun as a car horn.
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| User: "No One" |
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07 Oct 2006 01:39:28 AM |
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"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> writes:
Is my sin the fact I used the term website? Assuming that I'm not a
liar, which is the first premise two people have to establish in order
to exchange information, then what would YOU like me to call it?
Something other than a website, which has a specific technical meaning.
You guys are about as fun as a car horn.
Yes. Getting the facts right is always boring to most people.
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| User: "John Smith ®" |
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07 Oct 2006 01:11:35 PM |
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"Martha Vandella" <garnamaorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160193945.456448.97180@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Sorry but you have to have the dates wrong. The web was first *proposed
in
March 1989. Servers only started appearing outside CERN (but still in
Europe) in '91. December 1991 was the advent of the first server in the
US. And before 1993, when Mosaic was released, there were no graphical
browsers except on NEXT computers.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
Why aren't you able to flex your mind enough to actually THINK about
what is was we DID have? The most basic perusal of google history will
show you that many companies were using the internet which that had
nothing to do with the WWW.
Is my sin the fact I used the term website? Assuming that I'm not a
liar, which is the first premise two people have to establish in order
to exchange information, then what would YOU like me to call it? A
picture of our company on the screens of our computers that our
customers saw when they dialed into our servers, and from which we
conducted email and orders and inventory?
Depends on what your definition of the word "is" is Martha. LOL
You guys are about as fun as a car horn.
--
"Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one
system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty?" - Ted
Kennedy, 1973
----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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07 Oct 2006 01:56:21 PM |
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Martha Vandella wrote:
Sorry but you have to have the dates wrong. The web was first *proposed in
March 1989. Servers only started appearing outside CERN (but still in
Europe) in '91. December 1991 was the advent of the first server in the
US. And before 1993, when Mosaic was released, there were no graphical
browsers except on NEXT computers.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
Why aren't you able to flex your mind enough to actually THINK about
what is was we DID have?
It was probably a bbs.
The world wide web is really just a subset of the internet, and hasn't
been around nearly as long as, say, email, ftp, or even usenet.
Is my sin the fact I used the term website?
Yes. When one refers to a website, one is referring to something on the www.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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07 Oct 2006 02:54:13 PM |
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Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com> writes:
Martha Vandella wrote:
Sorry but you have to have the dates wrong. The web was first *proposed in
March 1989. Servers only started appearing outside CERN (but still in
Europe) in '91. December 1991 was the advent of the first server in the
US. And before 1993, when Mosaic was released, there were no graphical
browsers except on NEXT computers.
Why aren't you able to flex your mind enough to actually THINK about
what is was we DID have?
It was probably a bbs.
The world wide web is really just a subset of the internet, and hasn't been
around nearly as long as, say, email, ftp, or even usenet.
It was likely a BBS, given that they'd been around since roughly a decade
before any websites appeared anywhere.
Is my sin the fact I used the term website?
Yes. When one refers to a website, one is referring to something on the www.
I hope she's figured out the distinction between the Internet and Usenet. (My
experience with both go back to three years or so before the Internet started
going commercial - the spring of 1989.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
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