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"Diederik" |
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14 Sep 2003 07:03:53 PM |
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Excommunication |
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
Diederik
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
14 Sep 2003 07:44:51 PM |
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"Diederik" <diederik_b@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a012326d.0309141603.54e9e149@posting.google.com...
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
I was kicked out of the Salvation Army . . . does that count?
--Tock
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
14 Sep 2003 08:34:58 PM |
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At some point in the past, Diederik <diederik_b@hotmail.com> slavered,
and posted this:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
A person who has been baptized in the Roman Catholic Church and who leaves
the Church is either a heretic (remaining Christian) or an apostate
(becoming non-Christian as well). Becoming atheist, Jewish, Muslim, etc.
are considered apostasies. Becoming Lutheran, Episcopalian, etc. are
considered heresies. Both offenses are considered grounds for de facto
excommunication (i.e. you are automatically excommunicated without
echemunical hearing) and cannot receive the sacraments.
In other words, all previously baptized Roman Catholics who are now atheists
(such as myself) have been de facto excommunicated.
--
Doug Semler
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| User: "TCS" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
14 Sep 2003 08:52:02 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:34:58 -0400, Doug Semler <doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
At some point in the past, Diederik <diederik_b@hotmail.com> slavered,
and posted this:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
A person who has been baptized in the Roman Catholic Church and who leaves
the Church is either a heretic (remaining Christian) or an apostate
(becoming non-Christian as well). Becoming atheist, Jewish, Muslim, etc.
are considered apostasies. Becoming Lutheran, Episcopalian, etc. are
considered heresies. Both offenses are considered grounds for de facto
excommunication (i.e. you are automatically excommunicated without
echemunical hearing) and cannot receive the sacraments.
In other words, all previously baptized Roman Catholics who are now atheists
(such as myself) have been de facto excommunicated.
except when the CC tallies it's membership, of course.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
14 Sep 2003 07:11:30 PM |
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Diederik wrote:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
The Catholics do:
http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjub/200301/0218.html
EXCOMMUNICATION OF 7 WOMEN "ORDAINED" IN AUSTRIA IS CONFIRMED
VATICAN CITY, JAN 27, 2003 (VIS) - The Congregation for the Doctrine of
the Faith published the following decree today in Italian, English and
German.
The decree was dated December 21, 2002 and was approved by Pope John
Paul
II in an audience granted to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the
congregation, on December 20, 2002. Following are highlights:
"On June 29, 2002, Romulo Antonio Braschi, founder of a schismatic
community, attempted to ordain the following Catholic women to the
priesthood: Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger, Adelinde Roitinger, Gisela
Forster, Iris Muller, Ida Raming, Pia Brunner and Dagmar Braun Celeste,
who on that occasion identified herself as Angela White.
"Citing the previous interventions of the Bishop of Linz and of the
Austrian Episcopal Conference, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the
Faith published a statement on July 10, 2002, warning the above-mentioned
persons that they would be punished with excommunication if by July 22,
2002, they had not acknowledged the nullity of their 'ordination' and
asked forgiveness for the scandal caused to the faithful. As they gave
no indication of amendment, this Congregation punished the
aforementioned persons with excommunication, reserved to the Apostolic
See, in the Decree dated August 5, 2002, expressing the hope that they
might be moved to conversion. The Decree also confirmed that the
'ordaining' bishop was already excommunicated insofar as he is a
schismatic.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
14 Sep 2003 09:08:28 PM |
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In article <vma0te5ds1u7dc@news.supernews.com>,
says...
Diederik wrote:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
The Catholics do:
I'm pretty sure it's still a serious option. Of course they did it a
more back in the day. My maternal grandfather got in a row with the
local priest, or so I'm told, and my grandmother had to beg that he not
be excommunicated.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
14 Sep 2003 08:25:12 PM |
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On 14 Sep 2003 17:03:53 -0700, (Diederik)
posted in alt.atheism:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
Why would an atheist care?
--
"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Diederik" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
15 Sep 2003 07:04:36 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<f75amvs799ni8qt3h7c319huaaqiluci73@Pern.rk>...
On 14 Sep 2003 17:03:53 -0700, (Diederik)
posted in alt.atheism:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
Why would an atheist care?
I saw somthing about excommunication on another thread and it made me
wonder if it still happened. For what it's worth, I used to be a
protestant.
Diederik
Rational Hedonist #1
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
15 Sep 2003 08:56:43 PM |
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On 15 Sep 2003 17:04:36 -0700, (Diederik)
posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<f75amvs799ni8qt3h7c319huaaqiluci73@Pern.rk>...
On 14 Sep 2003 17:03:53 -0700, (Diederik)
posted in alt.atheism:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
Why would an atheist care?
I saw somthing about excommunication on another thread and it made me
wonder if it still happened. For what it's worth, I used to be a
protestant.
So is every Mormon.
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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
16 Sep 2003 09:13:22 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Sep 2003 17:04:36 -0700, (Diederik)
posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<f75amvs799ni8qt3h7c319huaaqiluci73@Pern.rk>...
On 14 Sep 2003 17:03:53 -0700, (Diederik)
posted in alt.atheism:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
Why would an atheist care?
I saw somthing about excommunication on another thread and it made me
wonder if it still happened. For what it's worth, I used to be a
protestant.
So is every Mormon.
Incorrect. "The Christian God is the Mormon's devil." - Brigham Young
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
16 Sep 2003 12:42:35 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:25:12 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 14 Sep 2003 17:03:53 -0700, (Diederik)
posted in alt.atheism:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
Why would an atheist care?
Because you are still on their rolls. No matter what.
There was a thread about it, some time ago. The poster asked his
parish priest to be excommunicated, but the church refused to do that
on request. :-(
I guess if people ask for it, they don't find it amusing anymore.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
14 Sep 2003 11:28:55 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:25:12 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 14 Sep 2003 17:03:53 -0700, (Diederik)
posted in alt.atheism:
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
Why would an atheist care?
Perhaps he was a Catholic or Mormon and sees that as the way to get
off the rolls?
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Excommunication |
15 Sep 2003 03:01:20 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:03:53 -0500, Diederik wrote
(in message <a012326d.0309141603.54e9e149@posting.google.com>):
From: (Diederik)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Has anyone been excommunicated here? Do the Catholic or Mormon
churches still excommunicate?
If they do I can't get them (RCC) to do it to me.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"God hates figs."
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