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27 Feb 2005 03:09:16 AM |
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Exorcism live on TV |
I wonder how many watched?
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Outrage over first exorcism on television
By Nicole Martin
(Filed: 25/02/2005)
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
Channel 4 provoked outrage from religious groups by screening "the
deliverance" of a man called Colin who claims he was possessed by evil
spirits.
Neuro-imaging technology was used to monitor the changes in his brain as
the Rev Trevor Newport performed the exorcism in front of a panel of
religious and scientific observers in east London.
Viewers watched Mr Newport, a minister with 20 years' experience of
"deliverance", as he prayed over the man in an attempt to drive out
"demons" that apparently have possessed him for many years.
Speaking afterwards, Colin said: "I feel that I have had demons in my
life and that they have been delivered.
"I believe there is a merciful God and this country needs to know that
Jesus cast out spirits and still does. I was a bit nervous beforehand
but after I was prayed for the nervousness just went. It was the most
relaxed deliverance I have ever had."
The minister, who was trained in the Pentecostal Church 25 years ago,
said: "A lot of people were perhaps expecting a more graphic
demonstration this is quite a normal deliverance." During the exorcism
Colin was attached to an EEG machine an electro-encephalograph which
measures the electrical activity in the brain.
Dr Jonathan Bird, a neuro-psychiatrist at the Frenchay Hospital in
Bristol who studied the findings, said he was unable to say for certain
what had prompted the changes in Colin's brain.
"During the procedure we saw very little activity in the parietal region
of the brain," he said. "We also saw some asymmetry in the temporal
lobe. Whether that is a brain process or a spiritual process, I leave to
the experts."
Channel 4's decision to screen the programme is the latest attempt by
the broadcaster to push boundaries in television.
Last year it caused controversy by screening an abortion, and in 2002 it
showed an autopsy.
Friar Pat Collins, a priest in Dublin who has performed hundreds of
exorcisms said that Channel 4 was taking a risk by playing with the
Devil.
He said: "An exorcism should always be done in private and to me this
seems like a sick stunt."
The Rev Tom Willis, who has performed exorcisms for 40 years, said: "I
was asked to be on the programme but declined. This is not something
that should be turned into entertainment. If the person is genuinely
possessed then I'm not sure that televising it is a good idea. It could
be dangerous."
Channel 4 defended the programme, saying it was part of its remit to
explore the boundaries in science. Simon Andreae, its head of science,
said: "We are delighted to have been part of one of the first scientific
investigations into the neurology of possession and I hope that the
programme will form part of a wider debate about the relationship
between science and religion."
A spokesman also said the channel wanted to dispel the image of exorcism
shown in the 1973 film The Exorcist in which a 12-year-old girl is
possessed by a demon.
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television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Feb 2005 04:05:34 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:09:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Speaking afterwards, Colin said: "I feel that I have had demons in my
life and that they have been delivered.
"I believe there is a merciful God and this country needs to know that
Jesus cast out spirits and still does. I was a bit nervous beforehand
but after I was prayed for the nervousness just went. It was the most
relaxed deliverance I have ever had."
So being nervous is being possessed and being "cured" or relieved of
nervousness takes an exorcism?
That would mean that I've been possessed and exorcised many times.
Can we say "*****"?
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| Title: Re: Exorcism live on TV |
28 Feb 2005 12:31:49 AM |
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In article <4ug421hglqstja07vh9sk57491mj4tcoiq@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:09:16 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Speaking afterwards, Colin said: "I feel that I have had demons in my
life and that they have been delivered.
"I believe there is a merciful God and this country needs to know that
Jesus cast out spirits and still does. I was a bit nervous beforehand
but after I was prayed for the nervousness just went. It was the most
relaxed deliverance I have ever had."
So being nervous is being possessed and being "cured" or relieved of
nervousness takes an exorcism?
That would mean that I've been possessed and exorcised many times.
Can we say "*****"?
"*****" indeed.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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27 Feb 2005 09:44:17 AM |
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johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
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| User: "Ash" |
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27 Feb 2005 10:44:31 AM |
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wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
As they don't exist I assume
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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27 Feb 2005 10:02:34 AM |
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wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
Oh, yeah, and you are just the kind of expert any one would believe on
this matter.
Crawl back into your bottle now, wind bag. No one believes you.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Feb 2005 04:03:07 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:02:34 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> said in alt.atheism:
wildbluskies@hotmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
Oh, yeah, and you are just the kind of expert any one would believe on
this matter.
Crawl back into your bottle now, wind bag. No one believes you.
No, Karl, it's true - real demons can't be exorcised. And real
leprechauns can't be kept away from milk. And real kobolds can't be
kept out of gold mines. And real Goldilockses can't be kept out of
the porridge.
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rukbat at verizon dot net
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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28 Feb 2005 06:19:18 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:02:34 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
< > said in alt.atheism:
wildbluskies@hotmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
Oh, yeah, and you are just the kind of expert any one would believe on
this matter.
Crawl back into your bottle now, wind bag. No one believes you.
No, Karl, it's true - real demons can't be exorcised. And real
leprechauns can't be kept away from milk. And real kobolds can't be
kept out of gold mines. And real Goldilockses can't be kept out of
the porridge.
I can't keep Goldi out of my porridge!?!?!?!??!!?
Oh the humanity!!
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Jez" |
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27 Feb 2005 11:21:22 AM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
wildbluskies@hotmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
Oh, yeah, and you are just the kind of expert any one would believe on
this matter.
Crawl back into your bottle now, wind bag. No one believes you.
So, am I to understand you believe demons exist ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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27 Feb 2005 01:23:06 PM |
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Jez wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
wildbluskies@hotmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
Oh, yeah, and you are just the kind of expert any one would believe on
this matter.
Crawl back into your bottle now, wind bag. No one believes you.
So, am I to understand you believe demons exist ?
Nope. And I also don't believe wildbluskies is anything other then a
useless waste of skin.
But that's another post all together.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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27 Feb 2005 04:00:30 PM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
Jez wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
So, am I to understand you believe demons exist ?
Nope. And I also don't believe wildbluskies is anything other then a
useless waste of skin.
But that's another post all together.
I'm praying for you Rev, praise the LORD JESUS!
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28 Feb 2005 06:17:41 AM |
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wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
Jez wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
So, am I to understand you believe demons exist ?
Nope. And I also don't believe wildbluskies is anything other then a
useless waste of skin.
But that's another post all together.
I'm praying for you Rev, praise the LORD JESUS!
Pray all you like, waste of breath. It'll do you no good.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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27 Feb 2005 03:57:36 PM |
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Jez wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
wildbluskies@hotmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television
last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be
exorcised.
Oh, yeah, and you are just the kind of expert any one would believe
on
this matter.
Crawl back into your bottle now, wind bag. No one believes you.
So, am I to understand you believe demons exist ?
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Jez
why would you believe that demons exist?
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27 Feb 2005 06:54:36 PM |
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wrote:
Jez wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television
last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be
exorcised.
Oh, yeah, and you are just the kind of expert any one would believe
on
this matter.
Crawl back into your bottle now, wind bag. No one believes you.
So, am I to understand you believe demons exist ?
--
Jez
why would you believe that demons exist?
Did I give the impression I did ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "johac" |
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28 Feb 2005 12:34:22 AM |
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In article <1109519057.753443.100140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
It obviously was a phony. There is no evidence for 'real' demons.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Jez" |
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28 Feb 2005 07:19:20 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1109519057.753443.100140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
wildbluskies@hotmail.com wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
Outrage over first exorcism on television
An exorcism was shown for the first time on British television last
night.
it was a phoney made for TV exorcism, real demons cant be exorcised.
It obviously was a phony. There is no evidence for 'real' demons.
Hehe...but then again, I guess you never met my Ex !
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Jez" |
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27 Feb 2005 07:08:37 AM |
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johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
I saw it. It was rather crap.
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "johac" |
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28 Feb 2005 12:35:20 AM |
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In article <_ridnTMfZ9PMW7zfRVnyrQ@pipex.net>,
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
I saw it. It was rather crap.
That's what I thought.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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27 Feb 2005 04:03:32 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:08:37 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> said in alt.atheism:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
I saw it. It was rather crap.
Is "rather" a Britishism for "totally"?
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rukbat at verizon dot net
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want
you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our
goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by
God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism."
-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort
Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
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| User: "Jez" |
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27 Feb 2005 06:53:36 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:08:37 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> said in alt.atheism:
johac wrote:
I wonder how many watched?
I saw it. It was rather crap.
Is "rather" a Britishism for "totally"?
Well, we don't like to overstate the case.
lol
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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