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User: "johac"
Date: 02 May 2006 01:24:24 AM
Object: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic
This is getting really weird.
===
Expert says stab wounds satanic
Upside-down cross symbol used to mock Catholic religion
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted: 5/2/06
By John Seewer
The Associated Press
TOLEDO - Investigators say stab wounds on the chest of a nun slain in a
hospital chapel in 1980 formed an upside-down cross, a symbol that an
expert on Roman Catholic law and the occult testified yesterday has been
used in satanic worship.
According to tradition, St. Peter asked to be crucified on an inverted
cross because he believed he didn't deserve to die in the same manner as
Jesus, said the Rev. Jeffrey Grob, associate vicar for canonical
services in the Chicago archdiocese. But the same symbol also has been
used to mock the Catholic religion, he said.
"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.
The Rev. Gerald Robinson, 68, is accused of killing Sister Margaret Ann
Pahl, 71, in a hospital chapel the day before Easter, Grob said.
Grob said only a priest, nun or seminary student would understand the
significance of the inverted cross and other aspects of the crime scene,
including a small streak of blood on the nun's forehead that could have
been made by someone forming the sign of the cross on her head.
"You're taking a person who's devoted to God and in every aspect, it's a
mockery," Grob said, referring to the wounds and marks on the body.
"These aren't random acts."
In addition to the stab wounds on her chest, previous prosecution
witnesses have testified that the nun's body was displayed in a
ritualistic fashion with her arms and legs straight.
Grob also said an altar cloth placed over Sister Pahl's chest before she
was stabbed is viewed as a symbol of sacrifice.
Under defense questioning, Grob acknowledged he had never before seen a
crime scene and that there were doctors and nurses who may have changed
Sister Pahl's position. He also agreed when defense lawyer John Thebes
said the blood on Sister Pahl's forehead didn't necessarily mean someone
made the sign of the cross.
Prosecutors also showed jurors a 90-minute video of Robinson's interview
with police just after he was arrested in April 2004. In it, Robinson
said he woke up and had finished showering when he received a phone call
about Sister Pahl's death.
During the interview with Tom Ross, an investigator with the Lucas
County prosecutor's office, Robinson maintained that he was nowhere near
the crime scene.
"I was not there," he said.
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-Voltaire
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User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 02 May 2006 03:06:34 AM
On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:
Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor.
Pluritalis non est ponenda sine necessitate
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 03 May 2006 12:04:08 AM
In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.

Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 03 May 2006 05:00:07 AM
On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:08 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-A0B3E5.22040802052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)

I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (runner up: March)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 03 May 2006 11:52:10 PM
In article <jnvg521on2pf25qstli80kf8l95f6jge4f@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:08 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-A0B3E5.22040802052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...

LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 04 May 2006 03:24:25 AM
On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:52:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B86AFD.21521003052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jnvg521on2pf25qstli80kf8l95f6jge4f@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:08 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-A0B3E5.22040802052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!

From Monica Lewinski?
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 04 May 2006 01:31:16 PM
On Thu, 04 May 2006 17:54:25 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:52:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B86AFD.21521003052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jnvg521on2pf25qstli80kf8l95f6jge4f@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:08 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-A0B3E5.22040802052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!


From Monica Lewinski?

Yep, they're White Owls®
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 04 May 2006 07:24:27 PM
On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:31:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <03ik52l7g72cd4buq909cb3tqu3ac46kdd@4ax.com>

On Thu, 04 May 2006 17:54:25 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:52:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B86AFD.21521003052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jnvg521on2pf25qstli80kf8l95f6jge4f@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:08 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-A0B3E5.22040802052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!


From Monica Lewinski?


Yep, they're White Owls®

What's that stain on the box?
--
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 05 May 2006 12:04:05 AM
In article <bp6l525jsnacdbfcbto8v9pehcb6o0o395@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:31:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <03ik52l7g72cd4buq909cb3tqu3ac46kdd@4ax.com>

On Thu, 04 May 2006 17:54:25 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:52:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B86AFD.21521003052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jnvg521on2pf25qstli80kf8l95f6jge4f@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:08 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-A0B3E5.22040802052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they
make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!


From Monica Lewinski?


Yep, they're White Owls®


What's that stain on the box?

--

If you don't know, you don't wanna know.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 05 May 2006 11:18:33 AM
On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:54:27 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:31:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <03ik52l7g72cd4buq909cb3tqu3ac46kdd@4ax.com>

On Thu, 04 May 2006 17:54:25 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:52:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B86AFD.21521003052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jnvg521on2pf25qstli80kf8l95f6jge4f@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:08 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-A0B3E5.22040802052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!


From Monica Lewinski?


Yep, they're White Owls®


What's that stain on the box?

rubbings would be my guess.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 05 May 2006 07:56:24 PM
On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:18:33 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <0lum521p4sg3s845b60ki3a5c2bgnhs4s1@4ax.com>

On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:54:27 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 04 May 2006 11:31:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <03ik52l7g72cd4buq909cb3tqu3ac46kdd@4ax.com>

On Thu, 04 May 2006 17:54:25 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Wed, 03 May 2006 21:52:10 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-B86AFD.21521003052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jnvg521on2pf25qstli80kf8l95f6jge4f@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:08 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-A0B3E5.22040802052006@news.giganews.com>

In article <4m4e52tr9qhir2cgg6eplfp2d396vfcqo1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>

This is getting really weird.

:

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!


From Monica Lewinski?


Yep, they're White Owls®


What's that stain on the box?


rubbings would be my guess.

Come again?
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 07 May 2006 03:20:10 PM
On Sat, 06 May 2006 10:26:24 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:18:33 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <0lum521p4sg3s845b60ki3a5c2bgnhs4s1@4ax.com>

On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:54:27 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

[]

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!


From Monica Lewinski?


Yep, they're White Owls®


What's that stain on the box?


rubbings would be my guess.


Come again?

Just weight and they might.....
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 07 May 2006 08:00:52 PM
On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:20:10 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <0jls52114qtl9gkf023cqsiftgipfde4ap@4ax.com>

On Sat, 06 May 2006 10:26:24 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:18:33 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <0lum521p4sg3s845b60ki3a5c2bgnhs4s1@4ax.com>

On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:54:27 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism


[]

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!


From Monica Lewinski?


Yep, they're White Owls®


What's that stain on the box?


rubbings would be my guess.


Come again?


Just weight and they might.....

The Might of Monica's rubbings.
They brought a president to his knees.
--
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 10 May 2006 09:50:25 AM
On Mon, 08 May 2006 10:30:52 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Sun, 07 May 2006 13:20:10 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <0jls52114qtl9gkf023cqsiftgipfde4ap@4ax.com>

On Sat, 06 May 2006 10:26:24 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:18:33 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <0lum521p4sg3s845b60ki3a5c2bgnhs4s1@4ax.com>

On Fri, 05 May 2006 09:54:27 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism


[]

Yes, it *IS* weird that they did not attempt to cannibalise her, like
they do regularly to their Jeebers.


Hmmmm. Just had a disturbing thought. Has anyone ever seen how they make
those Jeebus crackers? (Think Soylent Nun.)


I believe that it is the Trappist Monks who remain soylent...


LOL! Now that's a good one! Give that man a see-gar!


From Monica Lewinski?


Yep, they're White Owls®


What's that stain on the box?


rubbings would be my guess.


Come again?


Just weight and they might.....


The Might of Monica's rubbings.
They brought a president to his knees.

Unsurprisingly.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.












User: "Liz"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 02 May 2006 06:14:36 AM
On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> in
news message <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>
wrote:

This is getting really weird.


===
Expert says stab wounds satanic

Upside-down cross symbol used to mock Catholic religion

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted: 5/2/06
By John Seewer
The Associated Press

TOLEDO - Investigators say stab wounds on the chest of a nun slain in a
hospital chapel in 1980 formed an upside-down cross, a symbol that an
expert on Roman Catholic law and the occult testified yesterday has been
used in satanic worship.

According to tradition, St. Peter asked to be crucified on an inverted
cross because he believed he didn't deserve to die in the same manner as
Jesus, said the Rev. Jeffrey Grob, associate vicar for canonical
services in the Chicago archdiocese. But the same symbol also has been
used to mock the Catholic religion, he said.

"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.

The upside down cross or the murder?


The Rev. Gerald Robinson, 68, is accused of killing Sister Margaret Ann
Pahl, 71, in a hospital chapel the day before Easter, Grob said.

Grob said only a priest, nun or seminary student would understand the
significance of the inverted cross and other aspects of the crime scene,

.. . . or anyone who had watched 'The Omen' (came out in 1976 for those
who are interested.)

including a small streak of blood on the nun's forehead that could have
been made by someone forming the sign of the cross on her head.

"You're taking a person who's devoted to God and in every aspect, it's a
mockery," Grob said, referring to the wounds and marks on the body.
"These aren't random acts."

No, it was a murder, you fool.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them
as much as you please. -- Mark Twain
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 02 May 2006 11:53:20 PM
In article <pefe52hhnguvh8th57klai0nq6mrf4elqi@4ax.com>,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> in
news message <jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>
wrote:

This is getting really weird.


===
Expert says stab wounds satanic

Upside-down cross symbol used to mock Catholic religion

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted: 5/2/06
By John Seewer
The Associated Press

TOLEDO - Investigators say stab wounds on the chest of a nun slain in a
hospital chapel in 1980 formed an upside-down cross, a symbol that an
expert on Roman Catholic law and the occult testified yesterday has been
used in satanic worship.

According to tradition, St. Peter asked to be crucified on an inverted
cross because he believed he didn't deserve to die in the same manner as
Jesus, said the Rev. Jeffrey Grob, associate vicar for canonical
services in the Chicago archdiocese. But the same symbol also has been
used to mock the Catholic religion, he said.

"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.



The upside down cross or the murder?

A woman is murdered and all they care about is the supernatural hoodoo
voodoo stuff.



The Rev. Gerald Robinson, 68, is accused of killing Sister Margaret Ann
Pahl, 71, in a hospital chapel the day before Easter, Grob said.

Grob said only a priest, nun or seminary student would understand the
significance of the inverted cross and other aspects of the crime scene,


. . . or anyone who had watched 'The Omen' (came out in 1976 for those
who are interested.)

Haven't seen that movie in a while. I've forgotten most of it.


including a small streak of blood on the nun's forehead that could have
been made by someone forming the sign of the cross on her head.

"You're taking a person who's devoted to God and in every aspect, it's a
mockery," Grob said, referring to the wounds and marks on the body.
"These aren't random acts."


No, it was a murder, you fool.

That guy isn't so bright.




Liz #658 BAAWA

Get your facts first, and then you can distort them
as much as you please. -- Mark Twain

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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 02 May 2006 04:11:00 AM
On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac wrote in message
<jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>:

This is getting really weird.


===
Expert says stab wounds satanic

Upside-down cross symbol used to mock Catholic religion

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted: 5/2/06
By John Seewer
The Associated Press

TOLEDO - Investigators say stab wounds on the chest of a nun slain in a
hospital chapel in 1980 formed an upside-down cross, a symbol that an
expert on Roman Catholic law and the occult testified yesterday has been
used in satanic worship.

According to tradition, St. Peter asked to be crucified on an inverted
cross because he believed he didn't deserve to die in the same manner as
Jesus, said the Rev. Jeffrey Grob, associate vicar for canonical
services in the Chicago archdiocese. But the same symbol also has been
used to mock the Catholic religion, he said.

"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.

The Rev. Gerald Robinson, 68, is accused of killing Sister Margaret Ann
Pahl, 71, in a hospital chapel the day before Easter, Grob said.

Grob said only a priest, nun or seminary student would understand the
significance of the inverted cross and other aspects of the crime scene,
including a small streak of blood on the nun's forehead that could have
been made by someone forming the sign of the cross on her head.

Absolutely. only a priest, nun, seminary student or anyone who's ever
watched one of a very large number of horror films sometime over the
last 40-50 years...
And then of course, it's worth bearing in mind that "Traditional
Satanism" - the Black Mass that's an inversion of the Roman Catholic
Mass is only meaningful to someone who holds that the Roman Mass has
validity, someone like a disaffected priest, perhaps...
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 02 May 2006 11:56:10 PM
In article <hg7e52965qi9gpj7lgfhi7ecvntv1ie8rn@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2006 23:24:24 -0700, johac wrote in message
<jhachmann-39DDF6.23242401052006@news.giganews.com>:


This is getting really weird.


===
Expert says stab wounds satanic

Upside-down cross symbol used to mock Catholic religion

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted: 5/2/06
By John Seewer
The Associated Press

TOLEDO - Investigators say stab wounds on the chest of a nun slain in a
hospital chapel in 1980 formed an upside-down cross, a symbol that an
expert on Roman Catholic law and the occult testified yesterday has been
used in satanic worship.

According to tradition, St. Peter asked to be crucified on an inverted
cross because he believed he didn't deserve to die in the same manner as
Jesus, said the Rev. Jeffrey Grob, associate vicar for canonical
services in the Chicago archdiocese. But the same symbol also has been
used to mock the Catholic religion, he said.

"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.

The Rev. Gerald Robinson, 68, is accused of killing Sister Margaret Ann
Pahl, 71, in a hospital chapel the day before Easter, Grob said.

Grob said only a priest, nun or seminary student would understand the
significance of the inverted cross and other aspects of the crime scene,
including a small streak of blood on the nun's forehead that could have
been made by someone forming the sign of the cross on her head.


Absolutely. only a priest, nun, seminary student or anyone who's ever
watched one of a very large number of horror films sometime over the
last 40-50 years...

Yes or read the countless Gothic horror novels the came out in the last
few decades.


And then of course, it's worth bearing in mind that "Traditional
Satanism" - the Black Mass that's an inversion of the Roman Catholic
Mass is only meaningful to someone who holds that the Roman Mass has
validity, someone like a disaffected priest, perhaps...

That is what I think they are implying.



--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk

--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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.


User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 02 May 2006 03:49:27 AM
johac:

TOLEDO - Investigators say stab wounds on the chest of a nun slain in a
hospital chapel in 1980 formed an upside-down cross, a symbol that an
expert on Roman Catholic law and the occult testified yesterday has been
used in satanic worship.
"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.

Yaaaawn...
Makes me wish again we could just dump all those mad monotheists -
christians, muslims, hindus and jews - and the corresponding satanists in
one place, close and lock the doors, and let them battle it out.
(Note: As I understand it, LaVeyan satanism isn't - necessarily - based on
the abrahamic *****, so one _might_ consider leaving them out of that
plan. But inasmuch as satanists consider themselves to be followers of the
babblical satan, just drop them right in!)

"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.

<cynism>
Alright, let jehoover appear himself and start to rant. Who is any mortal
human to speak for him, after all?
If he fails to appear, drop the case. Where there is no accusation...
</cynism>
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Expert says Nun's stab wounds satanic 03 May 2006 12:01:24 AM
In article <e376en$gbk$3@online.de>,
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:

johac:

TOLEDO - Investigators say stab wounds on the chest of a nun slain in a
hospital chapel in 1980 formed an upside-down cross, a symbol that an
expert on Roman Catholic law and the occult testified yesterday has been
used in satanic worship.
"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.


Yaaaawn...

Makes me wish again we could just dump all those mad monotheists -
christians, muslims, hindus and jews - and the corresponding satanists in
one place, close and lock the doors, and let them battle it out.
(Note: As I understand it, LaVeyan satanism isn't - necessarily - based on
the abrahamic *****, so one _might_ consider leaving them out of that
plan. But inasmuch as satanists consider themselves to be followers of the
babblical satan, just drop them right in!)

I wouldn't classify Hindus as monotheists, but might as well throw them
in with the rest.


"Any way you look at it, it's an affront to God," he said.


<cynism>
Alright, let jehoover appear himself and start to rant. Who is any mortal
human to speak for him, after all?
If he fails to appear, drop the case. Where there is no accusation...
</cynism>

God gets affronted a lot, according to his followers, but he has yet to
appear in his own defense.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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